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Many seem to want the HTC Desire ROM for Sense UI just because of the HTC apps and widgets. People like me prefer the Stock experience with the HTC apps and widgets installed.
Some of the reasons for this include the preference of the consistent Googley look and feel, smoother scrolling on stock apps, and many other objective and subjective reasons.
Modaco provides an Online Kitchen for making custom HTC Desire port ROMs for N1. On the kitchen, you can choose to not include the Sense/Rosie app in the ROM. This is a huge step to creating the stock look and feel. How do we install the custom launcher without the need to bake a custom ROM with the Online Kitchen? Will this also convert the overall look and feel to the stock one?
Because we can't install HTC apps and widgets without the whole HTC Sense UI framework, how do we achieve seemingly having a stock ROM look and feel + HTC apps and widgets?
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Code:
adb shell rm /system/app/Rosie.apk
will drop Rosie and give you your standard launcher. I highly recommend grabbing 'Root Explorer' from the Market and perusing the /system/app dir.
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paulobrien said:
Code:
adb shell rm /system/app/Rosie.apk
will drop Rosie and give you your standard launcher. I highly recommend grabbing 'Root Explorer' from the Market and perusing the /system/app dir.
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Coool!
Just wondering, great sir, why did you decide to drop Rosie?
edit: oops. I thought, you meant, you're going to drop Rosie on the HTC Desire port ROM. I misunderstood. Sorry
anthro said:
Many seem to want the HTC Desire ROM for Sense UI just because of the HTC apps and widgets. People like me prefer the Stock experience with the HTC apps and widgets installed.
Some of the reasons for this include the preference of the consistent Googley look and feel, smoother scrolling on stock apps, and many other objective and subjective reasons.
Modaco provides an Online Kitchen for making custom HTC Desire port ROMs for N1. On the kitchen, you can choose to not include the Sense/Rosie app in the ROM. This is a huge step to creating the stock look and feel. How do we install the custom launcher without the need to bake a custom ROM with the Online Kitchen? Will this also convert the overall look and feel to the stock one?
Because we can't install HTC apps and widgets without the whole HTC Sense UI framework, how do we achieve seemingly having a stock ROM look and feel + HTC apps and widgets?
*I support Modaco and recommend signing up for premium membership. I just don't have the means to afford it. To those who can afford, please consider supporting great devs by donating in ways like singing up for premium membership
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Good idea!!!
I vote for that!!!
anthro said:
Coool!
Just wondering, great sir, why did you decide to drop Rosie?
edit: oops. I thought, you meant, you're going to drop Rosie on the HTC Desire port ROM. I misunderstood. Sorry
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false happiness....
ZeuBug said:
false happiness....
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I was able to drop Rosie.
This can be done by simple using Home Switcher (an app on the Market) to use "Launcher" instead of "Rosie" as the Home app. However, HTC widgets can't be used without Rosie. HTC apps are fine without it, though
Still a step forward.
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I also noticed that things are still kinda laggy. Scrolling the stock app list isn't as smooth as how it is on stock or other ROMs. Probably, the lag is caused by the ROM. It's still in alpha so we'll just have to wait. Still very early now
I figured I was in the minority here with zero interest in senseUI. I quite like the stock look/feel of android 2.1 but can fully appreciate the user experience the widgets and such inside sense provides.
I do wonder if all of the rom creators are going to jump on the senseUI bandwagon and move away from the stock experience leaving those of us who rather not touch HTC's bastardization out in the cold Thankfully Paul seems to be keeping everyone in mind with his roms...I wonder what Cyan is going to do with future releases...
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Strange is, that on Hero (with SenseUI) everybody wanted a stock rom without it, and on Nexus (without SenseUI, you know) everybody wants these lame senseUI.
I like this smooth on stock Android, hoping, that Paul and cyanogen creates there good stuff, based on real Nexus code wthout anything of the HTC stuff.
I dn't know, why there is so much hype about these Desire ROMs for Nexus.
I belive it will be better to make the stock ROMs better...
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false happiness....
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Why? I posted the command to get rid of Rosie, and you can do it from Root Explorer easily too.
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Formel-LMS said:
Strange is, that on Hero (with SenseUI) everybody wanted a stock rom without it, and on Nexus (without SenseUI, you know) everybody wants these lame senseUI.
I like this smooth on stock Android, hoping, that Paul and cyanogen creates there good stuff, based on real Nexus code wthout anything of the HTC stuff.
I dn't know, why there is so much hype about these Desire ROMs for Nexus.
I belive it will be better to make the stock ROMs better...
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2,5 things interesting me in Desire rom:
1) HTC PDF Viewer
2) highlight text for copy (like on iphone)
3) flash player in web browser (it's 0,5 thing, because work not well on all websites.... )
I hate the rest... (after test Paul roms) it's just my modest opinion!
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Why? I posted the command to get rid of Rosie, and you can do it from Root Explorer easily too.
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Because we would like to have some sense app on stock rom! not to have Desire rom with stock apps!
You make a great work but for my daily use, there to much bug for now... (bluetooth, flash, missed app in market, etc...)
I'm sure in next weeks I could make another good try on your rom!
PS: did you see my private msg on Modaco? thanks!
Dislike sense UI love the stock look.
But HTC'S framework do have quite a few added extras that would make the stock 2.1 awesome all around.
one being the select text format similar to the iphone. The camera on desire is 100x way more attractive then the stock one. The htc camera makes you feel like your holding a 2010 product. The stock camera feels and looks like is a polaroid cam.
To have desire with everything it brings widgets, apps & have the stock look feel and dialer is my DESIRE.
The dialer on HTC'S is awful. I am so used to stock 2.1 contacts app is just awesome.
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Why? I posted the command to get rid of Rosie, and you can do it from Root Explorer easily too.
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you cant run the widgets and thats what the OP was talking about.
I'd like to use the stock contacts and dialer because the HTC dialer doesn't let me dial out using my google voice number.
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2,5 things interesting me in Desire rom:
1) HTC PDF Viewer
2) highlight text for copy (like on iphone)
3) flash player in web browser (it's 0,5 thing, because work not well on all websites.... )
I hate the rest... (after test Paul roms) it's just my modest opinion!
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I'll give you numbers one and two. At least the nexus will be getting (as far as we all know anyways) full flash (10.1) while the desire thus far has flash lite...
These three are not enough to keep me stomaching seuseui though.
Its all a matter of opinion on what you like. I was trying to get a lot of what the senseui does natively already on my stock 2.1 so it makes things easier for me. I can't see all that much of a difference in stock 2.1 vs. senseui in terms of how it looks anyways. Just a couple small visual differences.
The senseui has a lot to offer over stock. The apps, widgets, clock, lock screen that allows control over music, better copy and paste, browser is better, ability to call someone from any screen and not have to worry about finding phone icon, flat scrolling for me in programs is better than a 3d scroll, dark status bar unlike the white stock,
Most of this can be done through market apps and or tweaks done to a stock rom but this seems to do it better all in one. The things senseui does not have that are on stock I just move over.
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Its all a matter of opinion on what you like. I was trying to get a lot of what the senseui does natively already on my stock 2.1 so it makes things easier for me. I can't see all that much of a difference in stock 2.1 vs. senseui in terms of how it looks anyways. Just a couple small visual differences.
The senseui has a lot to offer over stock. The apps, widgets, clock, lock screen that allows control over music, better copy and paste, browser is better, ability to call someone from any screen and not have to worry about finding phone icon, flat scrolling for me in programs is better than a 3d scroll, dark status bar unlike the white stock,
Most of this can be done through market apps and or tweaks done to a stock rom but this seems to do it better all in one. The things senseui does not have that are on stock I just move over.
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How can you? " call someone from any screen and not have to worry about finding phone icon"
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How can you? " call someone from any screen and not have to worry about finding phone icon"
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I only meant that with senseui the phone icon follows you through all 7 pages as opposed to the stock 2.1 where you have to click on the actual phone icon to launch the dialer.
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I only meant that with senseui the phone icon follows you through all 7 pages as opposed to the stock 2.1 where you have to click on the actual phone icon to launch the dialer.
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Simple solution for that really...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630659
Obviously this mimics the way sense handles things but such a simple mod removes yet another reason to change the entire interface.
I don't find the sense ui intuitive, nor do I like it as a whole much in the same way I don't like apple's ui or find it intuitive
But as you said before, it's all a matter of opinion. I assume if I were to force myself to acclimate to sense, I would get used to it. This all becomes a moot point though if/when flash 10.1 hits for our phones and not for the desire/sense. People will have to choose between full flash (assuming that the desire sticks with flash lite) and sense...unless someone manages to build a nexus-centric rom with sense baked in
how to make stock launcher
made this thread a wee bit earlier, its the best recourse for those who want a stock launcher.
it wont let me paste a forum link but if you google search
stock froyo launcher htc desire
its the first one that comes up.
please link this to other forums, im not an active forum member/ poster but a lot of people have been looking for this.
I for one like Sense, well I am not running a Sense ROM now I do miss a few things. So I wanted to see what people dis like and like about it and well maybe help some of us out. You know, finding way to forget about Sense.
I am running Cyanogenmod 6.0.0 now.
Like:
1: Flash {Cant find a work around}
2: Widgets
a: Peep {There is twitter but I like how dark peep is}
b: Friend Stream
c: Calender {Cant find a replacement }
d: Contact {Contact Widget does a great job as a replacement }
3: The ringer getting low when you pick up the phone {Cant find a work around}
Other than that, I cant say I miss Sense all to much, to tell the truth I am really liking adw launcher.
But if you have anything that helps replace what Sense does give you should add a list and if you are just missing something you should ask here, maybe one of us will be able to help you out.
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I for one like Sense, well I am not running a Sense ROM now I do miss a few things. So I wanted to see what people dis like and like about it and well maybe help some of us out. You know, finding way to forget about Sense.
I am running Cyanogenmod 6.0.0 now.
Like:
1: Flash {Cant find a work around}
2: Widgets
a: Peep {There is twitter but I like how dark peep is}
b: Friend Stream
c: Calender {Cant find a replacement }
d: Contact {Contact Widget does a great job as a replacement }
3: The ringer getting low when you pick up the phone {Cant find a work around}
Other than that, I cant say I miss Sense all to much, to tell the truth I am really liking adw launcher.
But if you have anything that helps replace what Sense does give you should add a list and if you are just missing something you should ask here, maybe one of us will be able to help you out.
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LauncherPro... faster, smoother than ADW and has "Sense" widgets. Right now I believe it's just contacts, he is releasing calender and others (if he hasn't already)
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LauncherPro... faster, smoother than ADW and has "Sense" widgets. Right now I believe it's just contacts, he is releasing calender and others (if he hasn't already)
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Just to add to your comment, he added bookmarks widgets as well
I like AOSP because it is much faster than Sense regardless of what you do to speed it up. I love the look of sense, but after buying a couple of apps and downloading others I can say that I do not miss Sense.
LauncherPro Plus-He is working on Sense like widgets. I now use this instead of Rosie.
Beautiful Widgets or Fancy Widgets- imitates Weather and clock from Sense. You'll have to find a fancy widget download online as they had a C&D order from HTC.
Extended Controls- Allows more options than the power control widget
CalWidget-Calander Widget on your home screen. I think you can change text and background color with this one.
I'm not a social networking freak so I don't care about those, but I know that they will get friendstream working on aosp. And you can still get all the other apps for aosp.
There is a setting somewhere to change the ringer volume on phone movement. I don't have CM6 flashed anymore, but I know its in the settings somehwere
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I like AOSP because it is much faster than Sense regardless of what you do to speed it up. I love the look of sense, but after buying a couple of apps and downloading others I can say that I do not miss Sense.
LauncherPro Plus-He is working on Sense like widgets. I now use this instead of Rosie.
Beautiful Widgets or Fancy Widgets- imitates Weather and clock from Sense. You'll have to find a fancy widget download online as they had a C&D order from HTC.
Extended Controls- Allows more options than the power control widget
CalWidget-Calander Widget on your home screen. I think you can change text and background color with this one.
I'm not a social networking freak so I don't care about those, but I know that they will get friendstream working on aosp. And you can still get all the other apps for aosp.
There is a setting somewhere to change the ringer volume on phone movement. I don't have CM6 flashed anymore, but I know its in the settings somehwere
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Fyi nfinitefx45 just got jit working on a sense rom. I'm using it on my red dawn as I type. I'm getting between 4.4-4.8 on linpack and that's with all the extra crap I've got on my rom.
The days of saying aosp is faster is at an end. I've got no lag. Running smooth and extremely fast plus have sense and all the Widgets that come with it.
Sense will find a way onto froyo eventually and will be just as fast as aosp
It really does seem that AOSP can be just as great as Sense as far as cosmetics. So the only thing left is flash, is there any way to get flash working on ASOP 2.1 or the 2.2 we have now?
Thank you all for the great input!
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Fyi nfinitefx45 just got jit working on a sense rom. I'm using it on my red dawn as I type. I'm getting between 4.4-4.8 on linpack and that's with all the extra crap I've got on my rom.
The days of saying aosp is faster is at an end. I've got no lag. Running smooth and extremely fast plus have sense and all the Widgets that come with it.
Sense will find a way onto froyo eventually and will be just as fast as aosp
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What about quadrant?
Some will never give up on Sense. I used to hate AOSP. I didn't like the look and missed all the extra's found in Sense.Right now I keep switching between froyo and Sense. If only someone could get all the sense apps working with AOSP.
Flash will never come to the hero because it's not built for it. I love sense, but i've learned to get by in froyo. The main thing I miss is the nice widgets, but there are some nice replacements in the market. I use digiclock widget and the weather channel. For twitter, seesmic is better than anything and it is fast. Launcher pro will let you customize your bottom row just about any way you want and will let you have 7 home screens like sense. If you have your homescreen laid out just how you like it in sense, then it's not that hard to recreate it in AOSP, unless you use a lot of sense Widgets.
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sierpinski13 said:
Flash will never come to the hero because it's not built for it.p
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We've had Flash for quite a while now.
Sense just seems like a waste of memory to me. Everything can be duplicated with Market widgets.
I really wish I knew what people saw in it, I hate it with a passion.
The way I see it is, Sense UI does offer things that other phones dont have and HTC has stayed a head of the game a little by giving us all just a little bit extra (flash)
On top of that, how many themes are out there for AWR or Luncher Pro? Well Sense if at heart a big theme, Things are made to go to gather and its simple and dark.
But anyway, How do we get Flash with out Sense?
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The way I see it is, Sense UI does offer things that other phones dont have and HTC has stayed a head of the game a little by giving us all just a little bit extra (flash)
On top of that, how many themes are out there for AWR or Luncher Pro? Well Sense if at heart a big theme, Things are made to go to gather and its simple and dark.
But anyway, How do we get Flash with out Sense?
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Got flash 10.1 also with sense and jit. Hmmm have any other complaints about sense that r untrue. Ill crush them as well.
Papa Smurf151 said:
Got flash 10.1 also with sense and jit. Hmmm have any other complaints about sense that r untrue. Ill crush them as well.
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Could you please explain how to get flash 10.1? I'm using nfinitefx45's stock de-odex.
Hey pappa!
Have you tested the new sensebuild /w jit on quadrant? It is a better benchmark than linpack, if for no other reason than it tests more than floating point calculations.
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Got flash 10.1 also with sense and jit. Hmmm have any other complaints about sense that r untrue. Ill crush them as well.
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Maybe you did not understand me? I like Sense and would love for a 2.2 Sense RON to come out. But at the same point I can get a lot of the same things done with out it.
And how about this, My Hero will build me a island and then transform in to a plain and fly me there...... If people ask how I will not say anything.
If you have flash and see people have asked why dont you share with us?
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Maybe you did not understand me? I like Sense and would love for a 2.2 Sense RON to come out. But at the same point I can get a lot of the same things done with out it.
And how about this, My Hero will build me a island and then transform in to a plain and fly me there...... If people ask how I will not say anything.
If you have flash and see people have asked why dont you share with us?
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nfinitefx45 got flash to work. dl either of my roms or his zenherofx and pull the flashliteplugin.apk. that has the lib in it to allow to have flash 10.1 to work.
i haven't used sense since the day i bought my hero, i always strip it out of the roms. a waste of space & memory IMO.
tejasrichard said:
Hey pappa!
Have you tested the new sensebuild /w jit on quadrant? It is a better benchmark than linpack, if for no other reason than it tests more than floating point calculations.
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u tell me cause i didnt run it before i had jit on
are you guys gonna pull your ***** out now?
Sent from my HERO200 using Tapatalk
As soon as I have time I will try to get a .zip for people to use to get flash running on there 2.2 heros, But I am not a dev by any means so it will take a day or two.
Also, your "Red Dawn Rom Page" link is messed up. It seems you have an extra "http//" after your "http://".
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nfinitefx45 got flash to work. dl either of my roms or his zenherofx and pull the flashliteplugin.apk. that has the lib in it to allow to have flash 10.1 to work.
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Nexus one unlocked bootloader, running RA1.8 recovery, already have the 1.9a downloaded to flash but I'm kinda stuck on what to do
I love and currently use K-o-R CM based ROM...
but I wanna get something sense UI based for the htc widgets.. bought beautiful widgets and don't like it as much. its buggy, and just kinda sucky in general - wish I could refund....
Thing is, I dont like sense ui cus i can't add rows/columns to home screen launcher..
Ideas?
Download Launcher Pro, and donate to unlock Pro features - which are Sense-like widgets.
Nothing to do with ROM.
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Download Launcher Pro, and donate to unlock Pro features - which are Sense-like widgets.
Nothing to do with ROM.
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I have launcher Pro Plus....the donate thing
other than friend stream, nothing from sense
Calendar, Messaging, Twitter, Facebook? Or they're not enough "Sense-like"?
In that case, just install a Sense ROM. You can't get both worlds. Sense is closed source, changes in Rosie launcher are way too hard.
Of course, if you don't like it, you could try to reverse engineer the Rosie code and have your way with it.
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Calendar, Messaging, Twitter, Facebook? Or they're not enough "Sense-like"?
In that case, just install a Sense ROM. You can't get both worlds. Sense is closed source, changes in Rosie launcher are way too hard.
Of course, if you don't like it, you could try to reverse engineer the Rosie code and have your way with it.
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lol reverse engineering is something I might do because I want it so bad. Unfortunately I just realized the downfall of my request... reverse engineering is usually not allowed.
Well, I guess I'll try to work the launcher pro widgets since i paid for them... i didn tcheck the calander widget from lpp
Sense for widgets? Seems like you want a weather widget. try beautiful widgets...no longer in the market but im sure an apk is around.
On another note, try evil's sense Roms.
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Sense for widgets? Seems like you want a weather widget. try beautiful widgets...no longer in the market but im sure an apk is around.
On another note, try evil's sense Roms.
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The flip clock isn't even the biggest one, I purchased Weather Widgets donate and it has an H7C skin that looks just the way I want - given it still looks like garbage - its close enough for the look. Functionality wise it isn't even close though.
I would keep on using eViL's Sense ROM but quite frankly its just inferior to the KOR pack I've been using. It so much slower, things crash a lot more for no apparent reason - not really stable, hotspots and camera have been broken for a long time now and he hasn't fixed it
Enomther supposedly had a SENSE ROM but I only found "TheOfficial" Nexus One and flashed it... yeah, NOT a sense ROM. Skinned similar to one, but its not a sense rom - has none of the stuff I've mentioned
Try this fancy widget. Its exactly like the HTC sense weather and clock. HTC made them take it off the market.
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The flip clock isn't even the biggest one, I purchased Weather Widgets donate and it has an H7C skin that looks just the way I want - given it still looks like garbage - its close enough for the look. Functionality wise it isn't even close though.
I would keep on using eViL's Sense ROM but quite frankly its just inferior to the KOR pack I've been using. It so much slower, things crash a lot more for no apparent reason - not really stable, hotspots and camera have been broken for a long time now and he hasn't fixed it
Enomther supposedly had a SENSE ROM but I only found "TheOfficial" Nexus One and flashed it... yeah, NOT a sense ROM. Skinned similar to one, but its not a sense rom - has none of the stuff I've mentioned
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I don't see how bad evil's sense rom is. If you are talking about his Desire HD port then maybe (I haven't tried it yet). But his normal Desire port is not even remotely close to slow and unstable.
In fact out of all the roms I have flashed for N1, I have yet to find a rom that is really slow and unstable.
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I don't see how bad evil's sense rom is. If you are talking about his Desire HD port then maybe (I haven't tried it yet). But his normal Desire port is not even remotely close to slow and unstable.
In fact out of all the roms I have flashed for N1, I have yet to find a rom that is really slow and unstable.
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Yeah I think it was his Desire HD port, it was labeled as (WIP)?? Assuming that might have something to do with it. If you read the thread tons of ppl whining bout the same problems
Did you try a specific ROM w/ sense that WAS good? Mind direct linking me to the thread so I can try it out?
I went back to KOR.. kinda sad that I don't have the awesome HTC widgets tho, the email one I really liked - Launcher Pro has no replacement for it. I use work email a lot with my job so something as simple as a very nice activesync app goes a long way for me. I get about 100 emails a day...
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Try this fancy widget. Its exactly like the HTC sense weather and clock. HTC made them take it off the market.
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I will give it a try, thank you
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Yeah I think it was his Desire HD port, it was labeled as (WIP)?? Assuming that might have something to do with it. If you read the thread tons of ppl whining bout the same problems
Did you try a specific ROM w/ sense that WAS good? Mind direct linking me to the thread so I can try it out?
I went back to KOR.. kinda sad that I don't have the awesome HTC widgets tho, the email one I really liked - Launcher Pro has no replacement for it. I use work email a lot with my job so something as simple as a very nice activesync app goes a long way for me. I get about 100 emails a day...
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Well...for Sense ROMs I would still suggest evil's...some people seem to have mounting issues during flashing so maybe a previous version
I agree LPP needs a email widget Too bad there's currently no plans on new widgets
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Well...for Sense ROMs I would still suggest evil's...some people seem to have mounting issues during flashing so maybe a previous version
I agree LPP needs a email widget Too bad there's currently no plans on new widgets
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I'll see if I can bug the dev a bit for an email app.. I might nandroid backup my current install and try out one of evil's sense roms again and see if it actually works this time around.. That will have to be later tho, I need to have full access to my phone in the coming week for work
I would recomend going over to the Nexus One Rom Bible thread. just look there for what kind of rom you need
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788058
All of us know that Android development on our HD2s' has reached a very great time and now we are running the roms and android versions that very few new devices experience them officially.
The reason i am creating this thread is this that...after using CM7 roms for while (nearly 5 month) yesterday i finally switched to dungphp sense 3.0 rom (v1.7) and at the first sight i see my HTC HT2 (the evergreen Phone) alive with colors. because as much as we know the bigest annoying thing about CM7 roms is the pale color look and dark mode that they have...
but sense style and more colorful shapes which reminds us of a original HTC phones, really has increased my interest to HD2 once more time
but besides all this, the sense roms ar very slow and as far as as all of us know...glitches and some other bugs are really annoying.
and this happens where, that all CM7 roms now are really bug free and suer fast on our HD2, which makes the LEo more than a Native android device!!! (as my own experience when my friend see my HD2 running Android (CM7) and comparing that with their own devices like Desire,Desire HD or Desire S...my device is as fasst as them and sometimes more interesting due to CM7 special features) but with CM7 my device screen is like black and white infront of them, and it reaally annoys you!
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so after saying this, i want to ask a questions from you and esp. the greatest HD2 developers: Whats the best way for HD2 android development in this (as i think) critical time? i mean developing CM7 roms, which are really 99% bug free and super fast to a more colorfull and better screen performance or developing Sense 3.0 roms to make them faster and trying to see no glitches?
and WP7? i think it has no chances against android...just great 720p playing!
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i think this thread will really help us, by knoing the idea of all HD2 Android users. so please enter here and leave your comments to make our HD2 ever better.
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AVM
Well i don't really get your problem. Why don't you just use a theme for cm7. Think there are a lot out there in the xda forums and i'm pretty sure there are some colourful under them. Or just try a miui build. They are fast and stable like cm and can be skinned and customized like no other ROM and it's really easy...
And there always will be both. The cm roms and the sense ROMs. I think there are more than enough devs for our hd2 so that they don't have to concentrate all on improving one kind of ROM. Some of us also like the clean and not so colourful stuff.
Sure,but MIUI roms are somehow just beautifull and not useful...there more different from the way we knew android. I have tried them but after just few days dissapointed and changed to CM7 and now sense 3.0...
Yes themes for CM7 may be a good choice but,i meant the total base of CM7 roms are dead colors.
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arminvm said:
Sure,but MIUI roms are somehow just beautifull and not useful...there more different from the way we knew android. I have tried them but after just few days dissapointed and changed to CM7 and now sense 3.0...
Yes themes for CM7 may be a good choice but,i meant the total base of CM7 roms are dead colors.
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I have to agree. I never have seen the interest in MIUI like other people do. It's just uninteresting for some reason.
MartyLK said:
I have to agree. I never have seen the interest in MIUI like other people do. It's just uninteresting for some reason.
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thank you...it's the reality i think,as you said they don't show native android,just some copying from iphone...
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thank you...it's the reality i think,as you said they don't show native android,just some copying from iphone...
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One thing I will say since I've tried MIUI before, is the great many themes for it. There are what seems like an endless number of all different kinds of themes for MIUI. But I still think my dislike for MIUI stems from the lack of elegance it has. An example of this, even though it can be replaced, of course, is the stock MIUI analog clock. It just looks pitiful to me. But it's indicative of the whole system. There just doesn't seem to be any elegance or refinement to it.
i have to disagree. i also don't like the miui launcher and use go launcher with it, but it's much more functional than cm7 or something else. for example the dockbar with all the quicklinks on the second page, flashlight when pressing home button while the phone is locked, the messaging app, theme program. you can do much more with a rom that has the miui base and if you don't like the look of the iphone just install another launcher than you have your elegance back.
first i thought the same about miui but after using it for a while there is no alternative for me in terms of functionality and customizability.
and the most important thing, it's fast and only has 2-5mAh in standby.
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i have to disagree. i also don't like the miui launcher and use go launcher with it, but it's much more functional than cm7 or something else. for example the dockbar with all the quicklinks on the second page, flashlight when pressing home button while the phone is locked, the messaging app, theme program. you can do much more with a rom that has the miui base and if you don't like the look of the iphone just install another launcher than you have your elegance back.
first i thought the same about miui but after using it for a while there is no alternative for me in terms of functionality and customizability.
and the most important thing, it's fast and only has 2-5mAh in standby.
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Hmmm...that flashlight shortcut is intriguing. I'll have another go at it.
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One thing I will say since I've tried MIUI before, is the great many themes for it. There are what seems like an endless number of all different kinds of themes for MIUI. But I still think my dislike for MIUI stems from the lack of elegance it has. An example of this, even though it can be replaced, of course, is the stock MIUI analog clock. It just looks pitiful to me. But it's indicative of the whole system. There just doesn't seem to be any elegance or refinement to it.
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sure it is true...when we install a MIUI rom, are HD2 seems just beautifull with that so much of themes but as you said the very first features we benefit in our CM7 or Sense roms are lost in this kind of roms...
even the MIUI launcher is not so customizable, as an example you can not make a shortcut for your word,pdf or... files!...
anyway i don't think MIUI would be the future for our HD2s
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i have to disagree. i also don't like the miui launcher and use go launcher with it, but it's much more functional than cm7 or something else. for example the dockbar with all the quicklinks on the second page, flashlight when pressing home button while the phone is locked, the messaging app, theme program. you can do much more with a rom that has the miui base and if you don't like the look of the iphone just install another launcher than you have your elegance back.
first i thought the same about miui but after using it for a while there is no alternative for me in terms of functionality and customizability.
and the most important thing, it's fast and only has 2-5mAh in standby.
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you mean tht these small feature are really superior to that of CM7 roms?! like special features that we have in CM settings? idon't think so even the MIUI rom is comperable in the features to sense roms but they are beautifull and like CM7s' roms fast...no doubt in this.
but would you tell me the features that make MIUI roms very special? which makes them paying more attention than CM7 or sense roms?
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i have to disagree. i also don't like the miui launcher and use go launcher with it, but it's much more functional than cm7 or something else. for example the dockbar with all the quicklinks on the second page, flashlight when pressing home button while the phone is locked, the messaging app, theme program. you can do much more with a rom that has the miui base and if you don't like the look of the iphone just install another launcher than you have your elegance back.
first i thought the same about miui but after using it for a while there is no alternative for me in terms of functionality and customizability.
and the most important thing, it's fast and only has 2-5mAh in standby.
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I'm going to have to eat my words. I downloaded an SD build of MIUI, the 3dak version, and am seeing elegant operation. It is actually compelling me to like it. The flashlight shortcut is brilliant! It is exactly what a flashlight should be; right there easily accessible without fumbling in the darkness to find it.
Sorry to keep the offtopic going but regarding MIUI I have only one oppinion.
It's great, it looks ok ( maybe a little to playful for me ) but the gradient banding is a great turn off for me. When they will do a dithered version specially for hd2 or ( so help us God ) they fix the banding issue, I will give a second thought to MIUI.
Oh. And facebook calendar sync.
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you mean tht these small feature are really superior to that of CM7 roms?! like special features that we have in CM settings? idon't think so even the MIUI rom is comperable in the features to sense roms but they are beautifull and like CM7s' roms fast...no doubt in this.
but would you tell me the features that make MIUI roms very special? which makes them paying more attention than CM7 or sense roms?
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What Feature do you have in cm7 Settings that miui doesn't have? Please tell me. I only know overclocking and therefore i was using setcpu even on cm ROMs. There is not one feature i'm missing from cm on miui. And yes these small things like quick access to flashlight from the lockscreen make a ROM special for me because it's just useful.
I didn't say miui is the future for our hd2, i said that there's no reason for the devs concentrating on a single type of ROM cause so much people are working on hd2 android.
Miui would just be the answer of the things you were complaining about.
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Sorry to keep the offtopic going but regarding MIUI I have only one oppinion.
It's great, it looks ok ( maybe a little to playful for me ) but the gradient banding is a great turn off for me. When they will do a dithered version specially for hd2 or ( so help us God ) they fix the banding issue, I will give a second thought to MIUI.
Oh. And facebook calendar sync.
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Can you explain what banding issue you mean? I never heard of that or experienced any problems i didn't have on other builds.
Ok, some might say this is picky.
Gradient banding is when the screen displays more colors than the screen actually supports at that time.
More details here: http://origin.arstechnica.com/news.media/Colour_banding_example01.png
And creates that stepping effect that really looks terrible. Yes, it has no effect on stability, functionality or anything else. It's just a visual artifact that for me makes it quite clear that it's just a port.
The best way to see the banding is to enter the dialer in MIUI . Give it a try and report back if you see smooth gradients. I would be surprised.
thanks. ok your right. never really noticed it. the ring of the sense 3 lockscreen for example has also gradients but there is no banding. i also can see it in the stock launcher but because i don't use it i don't care.
really never noticed that.
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What Feature do you have in cm7 Settings that miui doesn't have? Please tell me. I only know overclocking and therefore i was using setcpu even on cm ROMs. There is not one feature i'm missing from cm on miui. And yes these small things like quick access to flashlight from the lockscreen make a ROM special for me because it's just useful.
I didn't say miui is the future for our hd2, i said that there's no reason for the devs concentrating on a single type of ROM cause so much people are working on hd2 android.
Miui would just be the answer of the things you were complaining about.
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so,we are not making a war man...be calm please , we are just discussing...
so about the features...e.g: LOckscreen gestures (which makes mopre than that shortcut for flashlight in MIUI,because you can acces just everything by adding a gesture in your lock screen not just flashlight ;-) ), other features like tablet tweaks, so many features for light sensor and display that MIUI does not have! or many others ;-)
but i am not saying MIUI is bad!! beceuse the first time i my self installed it, i really enjoyed alot ,esp. from the way it looks and make our HD2s' alive and very colorful and goodlooking with so lots of theme stuff.
but the most annoying things are this that its taking its origin from the IOS and not android, we love android,and we all believe that its more powefull than IOS because its open source. even if we use a different launcher still the setting is just the way i said...any way,
i think if we could have MIUI graphics on CM7 we have all that we need.
anyone could make this possible?
This thread is ridiculous...
"You know what I like about Sense 3 ? It has very beautiful color !!!
You know what I like about CM7 ? It so fast and useful !!!"
You know what I like about MIUI ? It look so pretty and feels like an iPhone !!!"
Please, just be grateful for the versatility of our devices and to the devs still working on it, although it's getting old.
The rest is just personal tastes and doesn't deserve to be discussed...or polled...
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so,we are not making a war man...be calm please , we are just discussing...
so about the features...e.g: LOckscreen gestures (which makes mopre than that shortcut for flashlight in MIUI,because you can acces just everything by adding a gesture in your lock screen not just flashlight ;-) ), other features like tablet tweaks, so many features for light sensor and display that MIUI does not have! or many others ;-)
but i am not saying MIUI is bad!! beceuse the first time i my self installed it, i really enjoyed alot ,esp. from the way it looks and make our HD2s' alive and very colorful and goodlooking with so lots of theme stuff.
but the most annoying things are this that its taking its origin from the IOS and not android, we love android,and we all believe that its more powefull than IOS because its open source. even if we use a different launcher still the setting is just the way i said...any way,
i think if we could have MIUI graphics on CM7 we have all that we need.
anyone could make this possible?
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if you use this features it's ok but i never needed them. tablet tweaks are for tablets and i personally don't like my statusbar on the bottom. but this is all personal liking. i also never needed additional display or light sensor settings. sure it's good to have it implemented but i never missed it on other roms. and most of this are things that can also be done by a third party app. the only thing i would like to have from cm are the toggle additions where you can automatically switch off 3g when your connected to wifi and something like that. these are really useful but most other things are not really needed for a phone. at least i don't need them.
miui just looks like ios. it's still open source and who cares how the settings look when you installed another launcher? i go to settings once per month or less. and i think that they aren't bad on miui. you can find what your searching for very fast.
but as said this is all personal taste and there are enough developers to make roms for the tastes of every people, so there's no need to concentrate on developing one kind of rom.
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if you use this features it's ok but i never needed them. tablet tweaks are for tablets and i personally don't like my statusbar on the bottom. but this is all personal liking. i also never needed additional display or light sensor settings. sure it's good to have it implemented but i never missed it on other roms. and most of this are things that can also be done by a third party app. the only thing i would like to have from cm are the toggle additions where you can automatically switch off 3g when your connected to wifi and something like that. these are really useful but most other things are not really needed for a phone. at least i don't need them.
miui just looks like ios. it's still open source and who cares how the settings look when you installed another launcher? i go to settings once per month or less. and i think that they aren't bad on miui. you can find what your searching for very fast.
but as said this is all personal taste and there are enough developers to make roms for the tastes of every people, so there's no need to concentrate on developing one kind of rom.
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Yes i do agree about not cancentrating on one kind...
But the features,i think are really useful,and lots of people are using them,i myself use lots of them daily.
By the way about being this discussion personal...,yes sure it is.
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Curious to see what people think: for those who were on VU and then flashed to the new Doubleshot ROM, what are your impressions? Can you compare the 2 a bit? Which do you prefer and why?
I'm on VU beta and it is SO smooth and pretty, I'm having a hard time convincing myself to try the new DS. But being able to remove the mysense icon blocks is a big help.
What benefits are there to the DS ROM over VU? Any? I know some differences are DS has only 5 homescreens, the new Sense dock bar, the potential to go landscape rosie (but apparently not on our phones). What else? Seems like a big loss to lose the VU lock screen shortcuts...is there a big difference in speed/performance? I can't imagine another Sense 3.0 ROM being any faster than VU beta.
Thanks for your thoughts
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Curious to see what people think: for those who were on VU and then flashed to the new Doubleshot ROM, what are your impressions? Can you compare the 2 a bit? Which do you prefer and why?
I'm on VU beta and it is SO smooth and pretty, I'm having a hard time convincing myself to try the new DS. But being able to remove the mysense icon blocks is a big help.
What benefits are there to the DS ROM over VU? Any? I know some differences are DS has only 5 homescreens, the new Sense dock bar, the potential to go landscape rosie (but apparently not on our phones). What else? Seems like a big loss to lose the VU lock screen shortcuts...is there a big difference in speed/performance? I can't imagine another Sense 3.0 ROM being any faster than VU beta.
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Just flash it and try for yourself. make a nand if you dont like it.
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Just flash it and try for yourself. make a nand if you dont like it.
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Hmm, interesting advice. Why didn't I think of that?
Anyone else?
p.s. in general I agree with you, best way to know is to try it yourself - but I'm at work, and it will be a while before I can flash it. But I can sneak onto the forums here and there to whet my appetite, so I'm asking for opinions.
DS is the 3.0 revision of mySense...While VU is Sense 3.0. DS is limited in ways like no lockscreen shortcuts, less homescreens, and other things, why is this? Well because it's mySense, which is a slimmed down version on Sense. It ditched the mySense dock, for a new one, that's customizable. It features all the Sense 3 widgets, and has a new one called mytouch widget. Both are very similar in speed, but I haven't tried the latter-i've only tried the DS build from daddyc. Since both are Sense 3 they'll have similar speeds, but DS may be quicker since it's slightly toned down. Less homescreens could lead to a faster experience on the homescreen, and potentially a lower RAM usage.
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DS is the 3.0 revision of mySense...While VU is Sense 3.0. DS is limited in ways like no lockscreen shortcuts, less homescreens, and other things, why is this? Well because it's mySense, which is a slimmed down version on Sense. It ditched the mySense dock, for a new one, that's customizable. It features all the Sense 3 widgets, and has a new one called mytouch widget. Both are very similar in speed, but I haven't tried the latter-i've only tried the DS build from daddyc. Since both are Sense 3 they'll have similar speeds, but DS may be quicker since it's slightly toned down. Less homescreens could lead to a faster experience on the homescreen, and potentially a lower RAM usage.
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Thanks. Yeah as far as I can tell the only bonus DS has over VU is the customizable dock, and I guess possibly a lighter build hence quicker performance. I'm sure it's a great ROM but I don't see enough reasons to make the jump from VU, which now on the beta has been absolutely stellar.
Hope no one minds this relatively pointless thread, just thought it might be a subject of interest since I know both of these Sense 3.0 ROMS will be very popular.
I personally like it better so far, the main plus is much less ram usage that VU was giving me, plus the dock bar is nice
I love them both, keep switching back and forward
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I personally like it better so far, the main plus is much less ram usage that VU was giving me, plus the dock bar is nice
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Thanks. Yeah as far as I can tell the only bonus DS has over VU is the customizable dock, and I guess possibly a lighter build hence quicker performance. I'm sure it's a great ROM but I don't see enough reasons to make the jump from VU, which now on the beta has been absolutely stellar.
Hope no one minds this relatively pointless thread, just thought it might be a subject of interest since I know both of these Sense 3.0 ROMS will be very popular.
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DS is mySense thus the lighter burden on RAM, but tbh I don't see any reasons to change from VU->DS or DS->VU. The experience you'll have on either will be similar anyway. I personally prefer the sense dockbar over the new one in DS.
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DS is mySense thus the lighter burden on RAM, but tbh I don't see any reasons to change from VU->DS or DS->VU. The experience you'll have on either will be similar anyway. I personally prefer the sense dockbar over the new one in DS.
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I tried the DS port for all of 5 minutes before I restored back to unity... I just couldn't deal with 5 homescreens and no shortcuts on the lockscreen.. But this is only my opinion... It is quite smooth, though
well i got to say i tried them both and switched back to evil d unity beta its much more smoother all i need is ffc 2 work and the battery is the same for both did not notice a difference actually i believe i get better battery with evil's unity beta and much more smoother
how can i get the beta
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Curious to see what people think: for those who were on VU and then flashed to the new Doubleshot ROM, what are your impressions? Can you compare the 2 a bit? Which do you prefer and why?
I'm on VU beta and it is SO smooth and pretty, I'm having a hard time convincing myself to try the new DS. But being able to remove the mysense icon blocks is a big help.
What benefits are there to the DS ROM over VU? Any? I know some differences are DS has only 5 homescreens, the new Sense dock bar, the potential to go landscape rosie (but apparently not on our phones). What else? Seems like a big loss to lose the VU lock screen shortcuts...is there a big difference in speed/performance? I can't imagine another Sense 3.0 ROM being any faster than VU beta.
Thanks for your thoughts
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tvotony said:
how can i get the beta
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Go to evil's VU thread, near the bottom of the OP there's a link for the virtuous website; go to their site then click on the blog portion to the right under 2011, and it should be there. Worth the hunting to find it, it runs beautifully.
It's not on there
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Go to evil's VU thread, near the bottom of the OP there's a link for the virtuous website; go to their site then click on the blog portion to the right under 2011, and it should be there. Worth the hunting to find it, it runs beautifully.
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It's not on there
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Yes it is.
Evil's VU Thread, bottom of OP, big link that says "Download: Changelog: More Info":
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1143177
VU website with beta download:
http://www.virtuousrom.com/search?u...dated-max=2012-01-01T00:00:00Z&max-results=14
Download, hit the thanks button, and enjoy
my two sense... ;-)
i tried vu and it has some cool features, BUT, like all the other roms i've tried, i just keep coming back to cm7 (which i hope they will update sometime). i like the simplicity, and it all just works.... also..... a major plus i like.... you can increase the font size for your contacts in vanilla gingerbread.... this makes looking up the right number when a contact has several to choose from.... for some reason... the sense roms leave out this nice little feature...... another BUT.... i will probably try out the VU rom again just because it does have coolness all over it...
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i tried vu and it has some cool features, BUT, like all the other roms i've tried, i just keep coming back to cm7 (which i hope they will update sometime). i like the simplicity, and it all just works.... also..... a major plus i like.... you can increase the font size for your contacts in vanilla gingerbread.... this makes looking up the right number when a contact has several to choose from.... for some reason... the sense roms leave out this nice little feature...... another BUT.... i will probably try out the VU rom again just because it does have coolness all over it...
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I also like cm7, usually when I go back to AOSP that means cm7. I tried the new RC1 and really liked it, the lock screen gestures were super cool, great for shortcuts.
But ultimately every time I try AOSP I come back to Sense based ROMS, because the peripheral apps, i.e. dialer, music, camera, are so much better IMO. I'm thinking of actually trying the No-Sense mod on the DesireHD forums. It takes a Sense ROM and removes everything BUT those peripheral apps, removes most other launcher-related things, so you can run an AOSP launcher over a stripped down Sense. Sounds like the best of both worlds.
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I also like cm7, usually when I go back to AOSP that means cm7. I tried the new RC1 and really liked it, the lock screen gestures were super cool, great for shortcuts.
But ultimately every time I try AOSP I come back to Sense based ROMS, because the peripheral apps, i.e. dialer, music, camera, are so much better IMO. I'm thinking of actually trying the No-Sense mod on the DesireHD forums. It takes a Sense ROM and removes everything BUT those peripheral apps, removes most other launcher-related things, so you can run an AOSP launcher over a stripped down Sense. Sounds like the best of both worlds.
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That does sound great, you have a link?
Mcoddt said:
That does sound great, you have a link?
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Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=993475
Haven't tried it yet, but I think it should work for our phones. If you try it let us know how it works.
sunsean said:
Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=993475
Haven't tried it yet, but I think it should work for our phones. If you try it let us know how it works.
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Okay I tried it. It runs very fast now but the personalize menu doesn't work. So a quick fix was to re-flash the rom and set the lockscreen icons the way I wanted and then flash the script. Also, the script removes the sense weather which I didn't like but I was able to get it back by going here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13460723. The only thing is the animations don't work so it's just a black screen with the weather info but that's good enough for me. I also replaced LauncherPro with ADW EX. I've been using the phone pretty heavily and battery life has been way better.
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Okay I tried it. It runs very fast now but the personalize menu doesn't work. So a quick fix was to re-flash the rom and set the lockscreen icons the way I wanted and then flash the script. Also, the script removes the sense weather which I didn't like but I was able to get it back by going here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13460723. The only thing is the animations don't work so it's just a black screen with the weather info but that's good enough for me. I also replaced LauncherPro with ADW EX. I've been using the phone pretty heavily and battery life has been way better.
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Wow - awesome, thanks for sharing! What sense ROM are you running it over? So is it pretty much like an AOSP ROM with Sense camera, dialer, and music?