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also is bricking the phone recoverable or must sent back to manufacturer? i lived in the u.s.
tommy96814 said:
also is bricking the phone recoverable or must sent back to manufacturer? i lived in the u.s.
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If you actually brick the phone it means you cannot use it ever, won't even turn on i.e. its as much use as a brick!! All you can do is return it.
Are you experiencing problems with your phone? Or are you just worried that you may brick phone if you flash to new rom?
If latter follow cRaCKwHoRe's guide in my signature and you'll be fine. As long as you use USPL or HSPL I'm 99.99% sure you won't brick phone.
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you are fortunate to have escaped out then!
You generally have to do something pretty dumb to brick your phone to get it into a non-usable state. Most things you'll be able to do with standard flashing tools is bung up a firmware upgrade ( and you start again ). The chances of blowing away the boot loader, are smaller - but if you follow the instructions and don't pull the cable out while its doing stuff, then you'll have no worries.
for me, 6.5 flys and I'll not be going back now to 6.1 i fear. I use minimal ROMS where available as I never use facebook and half the other crap that bloats most of them.
I went back and forth quite alot between 6.1 and 6.5 and finally settled on 6.5 after much personal testing I find 6.5 to be better/perhaps faster and even sharper, clearer screen shots of everything especially noticable in emails. I'll be stickin' with 6.5. Don't care much for the wm default titanium thing tho...jmo
I've had 6.5 for a few months (fast & stable) and don't plan to go backword to 6.1!
sucess on upgrading to miri 6.5 v16.1
one problem now is i cannot play any of the youtube site videos and... i'm looking for this theme that widgetkid on youtube was running... anybody know?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYOFw19ec0o
Not to open a new topic, is HTC intend to release a new official rom based on WM 6.5?
AFAIK (from multitue of WM/HTC forums) Probabely Not
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Not to open a new topic, is HTC intend to release a new official rom based on WM 6.5?
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No - HTC will not provide official ROM updates to 6.5 for the Touch HD!
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No - HTC will not provide official ROM updates to 6.5 for the Touch HD!
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Just curious, but why wouldn't they? Is it their way of forcing the common users to upgrade to a newer device, then that makes sense from a business perspective on their part. Common users being the average joe's/janes who do not know about xda's wonderful chefs. I mean it's not like we haven't been sampling the 6.5 os already anyway with more, better goodies to come.
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Just curious, but why wouldn't they? Is it their way of forcing the common users to upgrade to a newer device, then that makes sense from a business perspective on their part. Common users being the average joe's/janes who do not know about xda's wonderful chefs. I mean it's not like we haven't been sampling the 6.5 os already anyway with more, better goodies to come.
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Aside from encouraging you to upgrade to the new shiny model (which is the main driver), manufacturers have to pay licensing costs to Microsoft for each version of WM (just as you would for a desktop Windows upgrade). So it would cost them money to make it available retrospectively for existing phones when they have already paid for the 6.1 licence. It was made fairly clear by HTC and most other manufacturers that 6.5 would only be made available with newly released devices after the WM6.5 launch.
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Yepp, I'm pretty sure that's the reason...
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Common users being the average joe's/janes who do not know about xda's wonderful chefs. I mean it's not like we haven't been sampling the 6.5 os already anyway with more, better goodies to come.
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Even if we already use WM6.5 because the great cooks on this forum have provided us with it - it still makes sense for HTC not to offer official upgrades for two reasons:
1. With no official upgrades, we void our warrenty using cooked ROMs. In a worst case scenario they could refuse any support on a damaged item running 6.5.
2. They don't have to offer any support (online, mail, website) for 6.5.
EDIT: For proof of number 1, read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3907598&postcount=5
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I've had 6.5 for a few months (fast & stable) and don't plan to go backword to 6.1!
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So which is the most stable 6.5? I tried a couple but I keep having to reboot my phone to get out of crashes and so miss a lot of calls. For me, speed is essential but stability is precious!
Thanks!
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So which is the most stable 6.5? I tried a couple but I keep having to reboot my phone to get out of crashes and so miss a lot of calls. For me, speed is essential but stability is precious!
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Well in my case i tried almost all the 6.5 roms and my favorites were lost in asia and miri v17 i feel both are stable and faster than the 6.1 htc rom
honestly if u want stable, dont use a beta rom ...
btw if you bricked it, i doubt they will restore right ? since u r "not" suppose to do so
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honestly if u want stable, dont use a beta rom ...
btw if you bricked it, i doubt they will restore right ? since u r "not" suppose to do so
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Well, not to be picky, there are stable (lifting off the cover every 30 minutes) and there are stable (using the reset software once or twice a day). Yes, even for beta which is what they all are. I know which stable even you will choose.
I can get my Nexus One next week,.. which i am seriously considering..
My only concern with US version is the lack of multitouch in default browser, maps, picture gallery..
With european (vodafone) version,.. i would like to ask, what do you think, chances are it will be branded?
I've had HTC Magic before and i've rooted it and installed roms,.. but i don't like doing that very much I thought with nexus one, i won't have to
What would you suggest? Sorry for noob questions
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Exactly the same position... But i've brought mine
Chances are that the UK version will be branded and locked to Vodafone are quite high.
As for multitouch, I expect it to appear in roms once the SDK is released. But I can live without it at the moment
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but if you root the device, do you loose text messages etc?
I think you should get the US version and root, multitouch will be added soon through ROMs.
And Brent when you unlock the boot loader for the first time you lose everything.
lol who cares about loosing text messages, European version unless it has some hardware differences (e.g. 32a and 32b with htc magic) then couldn't care less - multitouch doesn't worry me at all since I already have it on my magic and it's not that big of a deal if i have it or not the novelty doesn't wow for long and its real uses don't extend much beyond browser photos (maps would be nice). Also Google tends to be more loyal to its American base so I'd expect more long term support such as an upgrade deal when the nexus two comes out or something
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I can get my Nexus One next week,.. which i am seriously considering..
My only concern with US version is the lack of multitouch in default browser, maps, picture gallery..
With european (vodafone) version,.. i would like to ask, what do you think, chances are it will be branded?
I've had HTC Magic before and i've rooted it and installed roms,.. but i don't like doing that very much I thought with nexus one, i won't have to
What would you suggest? Sorry for noob questions
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If the European version is completely compatible with the American ROMs, I'ld get the European version.
@t4tav: how do you like it so far? And what did you have prior nexus one?
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Chances are that the UK version will be branded and locked to Vodafone are quite high.
I don't think it will be branded or locked as this model is not what google are going for. Even the phone sold on US T-Mobile contract are unlocked.
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Chances are that the UK version will be branded and locked to Vodafone are quite high.
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I don't think it will be branded or locked as this distribution model is not what google are going for. Even the phone sold with US T-Mobile contract are unlocked.[/QUOTE]
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I thought the Sim free version is a 'world phone' (well in the place it works)
It's not American or European or Chinese or whatever, but a universal stock ROM?
Or if it isn't - what things on the phone will make it a US rom and how different will it be?
Usually when an operator takes it - they'll flash their softwar eovertop to brand it - so Vodafone may put in their Vodafone 260 shortcuts etc ....but usually they don't customise them a whole lot.
The Nexus One is being sold completely SIM unlocked on any carrier (would assume there will be no branding also), this is one of the big things about the Nexus One, it's being sold by Google directly and not the carriers. Watch the Engadget interview with Eric Tseng, give a great deal of incite into where Google are going.
http://www.engadget.com/video/page/3#player
There is never a branding on any N1,many sources say this.
The hardware of the EU and US Nexus are the same, so you can swwitch ROMs in between.
Multitouch will come to the US Version too, not by google but by the nice guys from cyanogen and modaco or someone else in this forum. In multitouch sensitive apps there are allready working Programs in the Market (Dolphin Browser,...)
I was watching that endadget interview and i like google's move..
It's just i'm still sceptical about vodafone, that's all
And there is also one huge factor called patience If i can install european rom later, why would i wait for european release?
Hope to see some more reviews of you european users.. I still have a few days to make up my mind.
If you want multi-touch in the browser then get the dolphin browser it has multi-touch
Should be interesting because I think that Vodafone UK dont lock their phones, or at least the 5 or 10 that ive had over the past 18months havent been locked.
The iPhone on Voda UK is probably locked down though. :S
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Well, i guess since this news came out..:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/11/android-2-1-sdk-now-available-nexus-one-says-geez-finally/
..it shouldn't be too long, before we see some more "good stuff" coming to nexus one?
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My N73 and Blackberry Storm on Vodafone were locked
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my x1 from voda wasn't
Anybody know what the point of devicewire.co.uk's purpose is in asking for interest in the N1 from UK customers?
http://www.devicewire.co.uk/google-nexus-one
If the EU phones will be the exact same version as the US one then why not just buy it from google? And, doesn't this go against google's distribution policy?
Any news about that?
the next one should be with windows mobile 6.5.x
for more support of the capacitive screen
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the next one should be with windows mobile 6.5.x
for more support of the capacitive screen
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Because can it be that HTC have given up on updating the HD2 already?
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Because can it be that HTC have given up on updating the HD2 already?
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I don't think, that HTC has given up on the HD2, yet.
This tweet might be of interest.
to everyone asking about HD2 & Windows Phone 7 Series; nothing announced yet but there may be info coming next month
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http://twitter.com/windowsphone/status/9181323569
...either there will be a statement about HD2 being "transformed" into a WP7S-device with an update, or HTC might tell us that they have prepared WM 6.5.x for the HD2
Nobody knows yet....but I don't think HTC has "left us"
The last update has been 2-3 weeks ago... what do you expect seriously? I also don't think that the next update will contain WM6.5.x-crap. If the HD2 is meant to get an WM7-update then I'm almost sure that HD2 won't get this version. But all we can do is speculating...
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The last update has been 2-3 weeks ago... what do you expect seriously? I also don't think that the next update will contain WM6.5.x-crap. If the HD2 is meant to get an WM7-update then I'm almost sure that HD2 won't get this version. But all we can do is speculating...
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What I seriously think is that there is a chance, that we will get a WM 6.5.3 update.
Yes, it's been 3 weeks since the last ROM, and so? The ROM before that was released in the beginning of December, so about 7 weeks.
...and when is MIX'10? In about a month....so why does this sound so wrong? Especially if the US models get the 6.5.3 ROM, then it wouldn't be so hard to make a version for the unbranded HD2
But yes, we don't know what might og might not happen
if they want to update hd2 to 6.5.3 they would have updated it in the 1.66 roms i think the next update will not be 6.5.3
they really should make an update because there are still so many unsolved issues that really annoy us users (sms lag, ...). Maybe they are already working on it and it will be released when there is a stable version of the newest windows build.
What about win6.5.3 combine with the new version of sense ?
Arent we due WM6.6 soon?
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Arent we due WM6.6 soon?
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We will properly get a 2.00 Rom with Windows Mobile 6.5.3 and some updates included. Maybe a new Youtube Client? Which would allow you to access your youtube account like you can Iphone?
But in my opinion getting an official WM7 HD2 upgrade is a likely as me being invited home by some random woman on this or any friday(Which is very unlikely!)
/Fred
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We will properly get a 2.00 Rom with Windows Mobile 6.5.3 and some updates included. Maybe a new Youtube Client? Which would allow you to access your youtube account like you can Iphone?
But in my opinion getting an official WM7 HD2 upgrade is a likely as me being invited home by some random woman on this or any friday(Which is very unlikely!)
/Fred
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If we believe HTC on twitter:
'for Diamond 2 firmware is not planned. Of the existing communicators on the market, only the HD2 firmware to get WM7'
think you better keep your friday nights free towards the end of the year when the OS is eventually released!!!
i think that 6.5.3 update can be a concrete possibility....i don't want to believe that Htc could leave us without this update....
Hey guys, just wondering if anyone knows if HTC will be releasing the 6.5.3 builds of WM on the HD2? I prefer this build as it is more finger friendly and looks cleaner. Also is the any Clean 6.5.3 roms out for the HD2?
Thanks in advance.
I don't think we gonna get any updates for HD2 for WM 6.5.xxx..!!!
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I don't think we gonna get any updates for HD2 for WM 6.5.xxx..!!!
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May I aks you why are you so sure? Does this apply to all versions, including T-Mobile US one?
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May I aks you why are you so sure?
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because MS want everyone to buy shiny new wp7 phones.
Does this apply to all versions, including T-Mobile US one?
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If T Mo US want to fork out a fat fist full of cash to MS, they might, but i'd give REALLY big odds that they wont. Why would they? they have sold out in the first week, thats their investment back, now all they have to do is sit back, wait for wp7 and start the whole circus again.
No one is going to offer upgrades, I suspect. The only way forward as i see it for 6.5.x is as a side line to the wp7. Maybe the 'business' range, alongside wp7 as the consumer range.
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Hey guys, just wondering if anyone knows if HTC will be releasing the 6.5.3 builds of WM on the HD2? I prefer this build as it is more finger friendly and looks cleaner. Also is the any Clean 6.5.3 roms out for the HD2?
Thanks in advance.
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I asked HTC, and they said that there are no plans on 6.5.3 release in near future.
Oh that sucks, ah well, that what you brilliant people are here for lol
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I asked HTC, and they said that there are no plans on 6.5.3 release in near future.
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That does it for me, now i'm realy going to flash my device!
I have waited for a new HTC ROM update and wanted at least 6.5.3 on my device or even better 6.5.5... SO!
AND flashing gives me a faster better device, so! Thanks! And THANKS HTC!
I sent message to HTC. I asked when we get a new WM 6.5.3 on our HTC HD 2. They wrote me that they nothing know about new ROM updates for HD2.... So we must waiting, but if we don't get new WM from HTC in near future I flash my HD2
What is the point of these builds then? the only phone i know which will have it is that nasty sony ericsson trying to be a blackberry.
Great! WP7S is out of the question, and now 6.5.3/5 is out as well...
I really expected to a more finger friendly OS on the HD2...
HTC and MS are really working hard to make their customer go and buy an iPhone...
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Great! WP7S is out of the question, and now 6.5.3/5 is out as well...
I really expected to a more finger friendly OS on the HD2...
HTC and MS are really working hard to make their customer go and buy an iPhone...
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I think they are aming for us to buy the new WinMo 7 phones...
I'll be surprised if there isn't another ROM release. The stock carrier ROMs are quite a way behind those on unlocked phones for a start and I imagine there's a risk of losing customers to the competition if support isn't seen to be provided. My guess is that the various 'flavours'' of HD2 will be updated so that they have the same OS and applications.
Windows Phone 7 doesn't look appealing to me and if I want a locked down phone, I'll get an iPhone.
What does the updates do?
what are you complaing about from what i see wp7 is not very good. it looks ugly i heard it doesnt have file copy/paste etc. why would you want a phone that you cant move your files around. this is the perfect phone because it has all the power of the new wp7 series phones and theres a need to develop new software/roms etc. i think this phone is sick mate. im sure pretty soon they will get android up and running. forget wp7 i looking forward to dual booting android which whichever rom i take the liking too. my point is stop complaining and enjoy the phone.
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what are you complaing about from what i see wp7 is not very good. it looks ugly i heard it doesnt have file copy/paste etc. why would you want a phone that you cant move your files around. this is the perfect phone because it has all the power of the new wp7 series phones and theres a need to develop new software/roms etc. i think this phone is sick mate. im sure pretty soon they will get android up and running. forget wp7 i looking forward to dual booting android which whichever rom i take the liking too. my point is stop complaining and enjoy the phone.
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This topic has nothing to do with WM7, This is about 6.5.3 which is an updated version of 6.5. Let not turn this into a 7.0 discussion.
Any news? How could be possible that we won't receive any new upgrade? Many manufacturers are upgrading their phones. Samsung Omnia II got WM 6.5.3, Toshiba TG01 will get Windows Mobile 6.5.5
Why HTC is so disrespectful of its customers?
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Any news? How could be possible that we won't receive any new upgrade? Many manufacturers are upgrading their phones. Samsung Omnia II got WM 6.5.3, Toshiba TG01 will get Windows Mobile 6.5.5
Why HTC is so disrespectful of its customers?
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They are, aren't they.
I enjoy hacking my phone but if the last update really is the last, I'll look elsewhere for my next phone. Mine still has bugs out of the box and I'd expect these to be addressed on a £500 device at the very least.
Leaving the HD2 in it's current state, with the underlying OS being touch unfriendly, is an odd decision. I wonder how long Windows Phone 7 will be supported. I fear another Vista. Will we be discussing Windows Phone 8 in a year's tIme?
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They are, aren't they.
I enjoy hacking my phone but if the last update really is the last, I'll look elsewhere for my next phone. Mine still has bugs out of the box and I'd expect these to be addressed on a £500 device at the very least.
Leaving the HD2 in it's current state, with the underlying OS being touch unfriendly, is an odd decision. I wonder how long Windows Phone 7 will be supported. I fear another Vista. Will we be discussing Windows Phone 8 in a year's tIme?
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Isn't that the point... WP7 will eventually lead to WP8, it's a moving target. If you want 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 you can install a cooked ROM that has it. The great thing is that... MS is continuing to develop the 6.5.X series and... the cooks are getting it to us.
My point isn't the inevitability of Windows Phone8, it's a question of how long 7 will be supported. Manufacturers seem to have forgotten that users have contracts with their phones and will need to keep them for 2 years or more before upgrading. The HD2 had very little support, leaving owners of this flagship device with an out-of-date machine after a few months. Other phone suppliers continue to provide upgrades to their ranges. I won't forget this when I need a new phone, especially since my phone still has bugs. HTC will lose customers. Whether they care about this or not is another matter but I'd aim to keep my customers in the current climate, even if I only sell each of them one phone every 2 years.
I'm waiting for a reply to my bug report.
We should all make some pressure on HTC.Send them e-mails, post on blogs, contact newspapers, etc etc...
HTC should change this their bad support. We buy a 600$ device and get a 6 month support, no upgrades (only bugfixes, and not for all bugs).
This is not what people expect from a company such as HTC.
Do someone know when HTC will give out a new htc hd (blackstone) rom? maybe with colour Manila TAB. or something like that.
Because the stock rom is the fastest and most stabile ROM, I think! BUT not a pretty ROM, like the Manila 2.5 and W6.5**. It just need a OVERHAUL!
I think we can have W6.1 with... Manila 2.4 maybe hehe. not as fancy but cooler then Manila 2.1
LET's press the HTC, because they think everyone ****t money to buy a new device every month or week!
im happy with my HTC HD, but i think HTC has forget about us old-device-user! and they come out with upgrade to other "new" devices, but i want somthing to, somthing cool. and if xda and our worlds best developers can, then the htc company with the tecnologi can do it to! wtf i think, crapy done by htc! i have sent 1000 of mails too them and they keep say " dont know" then why do u work at support for god f###.. or? feks. the stock HD ROM have the ugly keybord, i want the new one on a stock rom.. so!
Sorry for my english =P but u guys understand what i meen!
Good Luck with that - Whilst I share your frustration that those who keep faith with Stock ROMs aren't rewarded with updates, the fact is that with the sheer amount of devices that HTC currently release year on year, the odds that some of it's back catalogue will get any such update are quite small.
I eventually gave in and flashed an XDA/Cooked ROM.
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Me too ....... I really would appreciate some stock rom, that would have qualities of Duttys rom with Co0kie Home Tab and CHTEditor versatility.
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Me too ....... I really would appreciate some stock rom, that would have qualities of Duttys rom with Co0kie Home Tab and CHTEditor versatility.
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thats what I really mean!! Stock rom with qualities of our chief would be the best for HTC HD Cheers!
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Good Luck with that - Whilst I share your frustration that those who keep faith with Stock ROMs aren't rewarded with updates, the fact is that with the sheer amount of devices that HTC currently release year on year, the odds that some of it's back catalogue will get any such update are quite small.
I eventually gave in and flashed an XDA/Cooked ROM.
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I have flashed xda cooked ROM, but our chiefs have stoped building ROMS with WM6.1, and manilla 2.1. And I prefer the speed and the stability of the WM6.1 and manilla 2.1.
Answer is no, and that is just the nature of business
There are too many new devices out there that they are focusing on (and still have issues), just to name a few, HD2, Nexus One, Desire...
Actually I don't mind them doing so, but at least make it easier for outsiders to access info on older chipsets (MSM), which to me is the main hurdle to maximize performance on the phones.
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Answer is no, and that is just the nature of business
There are too many new devices out there that they are focusing on (and still have issues), just to name a few, HD2, Nexus One, Desire...
Actually I don't mind them doing so, but at least make it easier for outsiders to access info on older chipsets (MSM), which to me is the main hurdle to maximize performance on the phones.
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ok, ur right now as i thinking, but.. WHY! do everyone want WM6.5? is stil laggy after some use, at the begining its WOW cool and fast, stable, but after 2-3 weeks its starts to be slow. so, why not make the 6.1 even better and faster + new design ( manila 2.5) tabs? the rest dont have to be as "cool" as htc hd2 (leo) i allways use the kwbr topix rom, but im dont going from his rom topix 3.5 wwe =D anyway, his new rom topix 3.6 or somthing, is it wm 6.1 or 6.5? heh
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ok, ur right now as i thinking, but.. WHY! do everyone want WM6.5? is stil laggy after some use, at the begining its WOW cool and fast, stable, but after 2-3 weeks its starts to be slow. so, why not make the 6.1 even better and faster + new design ( manila 2.5) tabs? the rest dont have to be as "cool" as htc hd2 (leo) i allways use the kwbr topix rom, but im dont going from his rom topix 3.5 wwe =D anyway, his new rom topix 3.6 or somthing, is it wm 6.1 or 6.5? heh
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u know why? because it takes effort to do software development, you need more people to support two platforms than one. It would have been nice if htc just upgrade/tweak manila 2.1 to 2.5. but from general use, you know that's not the case, as they behave differently (functionality is the same).
So why is this decision made? Could be many reasons, maybe feature, flexibility wise, 2.1 is just not good enough for the future, who knows?
For sure htc is not going to work on 2.1 & 2.5 to acheive the same goal, even though its for different phones, sadly in this industry the upgrade cycle is 6 months to 1 year (just like computers). I am not try to bash on the company, but take a guess which htc phone is at top quality in user experience (hardware & software) at release, and have good upgrades/support after 2 years. When you hang around xda long enough, you will know
ok, i understand now! HTC HD is dead. the company is thinkig about new phones. but if ill buy HTC Desire HD, do i have to keep installing coocked rom's frome here? The HTC Desire is not getting the "new" htc sense, ( htcsense.com) why? its so lalala stupid, look at the xp,vista and win 7. only new design, but u still have internett explorer and other stuff, i dont care about the design, only about nice updats.
thats why i dont like htc loonger, the forget about our phone after 5 months.
Pff, it's useless asking for updates for old HTC devices. They launch a dozen of phones every year. Their goal is to sell the new devices and earn money, not update the old ones for free. I use HTC Touch HD and i haven't seen any official updates on their site, except for some bug fixes and an official ROM which does nothing more than my preinstalled ROM. Haven't checked the updates for other HTC devices, but it's obviously they didn't give a damn about HTC Touch HD immediately after its release.