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Im really getting depressed over the quality of the evo 4g 720p video especially compared to iphone 4, droid x, and new galaxy s (epic 4g) the fps of the evo just totally annoying me now every time i look at other 720p videos, is there anyway to tweak or improve this by software ? like come on seriously 20fps -_- that totally sucks
skiz220 said:
Im really getting depressed over the quality of the evo 4g 720p video especially compared to iphone 4, droid x, and new galaxy s (epic 4g) the fps of the evo just totally annoying me now every time i look at other 720p videos, is there anyway to tweak or improve this by software ? like come on seriously 20fps -_- that totally sucks
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The hardware for it is actually quite good, and yes it can definitely be fixed with software, but it's up to HTC.
Plancy said:
The hardware for it is actually quite good, and yes it can definitely be fixed with software, but it's up to HTC.
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Actually we can do it once we get full kernel source. It'll probably take an AOSP ROM since we can't modify the HTC cam app, but we did it for the Nexus. Combine a custom kernel with a custom cam app and we're golden
What's really sad is that the Evo has the 8mp version of the camera in the iPhone. Seriously same manufacturer and everything.
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It's true it looks quite terrible, but let's make one thing absolutely clear.
24/25 FPS is FINE for videos. That's what movies are shot in.
The problem is purely bitrate. Which we will eventually increase.
This is what I desperately want fixed. I was happy with the quality until I saw what the iPhone was producing. Man does that piss me off. HTC's software is really crippling this device.
I'm not one to replace standard software on my phones and PCs, but dammit, it looks like I'll have to in this case.
Keep up the great work, guys.
my brothers evo's vid quality sucks as well, i duno wut u can do to it to make it better...
I think my 720p video looks great, not sure what you guys are complaining about.
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The video quality is not that bad to me but it's the audio on the video that's choppy. I haven't been able to find very many posts on this...is this just an issue with my phone?
Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqoqspzu8XE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU6bmAQMAq4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6948969&postcount=13
His updated video (note the significant audio difference as well):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zruAaXHkiF4&annotation_id=annotation_114688&feature=iv
Raw footage:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1742891/iPhone 4 vs EVO x2.mov (warning: 221 MB + content borders on intolerable if you're an adult with no kids)
-Can we get HTC to address this?
topdnbass said:
It's true it looks quite terrible, but let's make one thing absolutely clear.
24/25 FPS is FINE for videos. That's what movies are shot in.
The problem is purely bitrate. Which we will eventually increase.
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That's not accurate. The 720P videos are actually recorded at 6 Megabits/sec. That's plenty of bitrate to handle HD videos. The problem is the codecs being used. The EVO is using generic MPEG4 video instead of H.264, and the audio codec is 8kHz AMR Narrowband instead of AAC. That's the main reason they look bad. Compare HD videos from the EVO against the 720P videos from the iPhone and that's the main difference.
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That's not accurate. The 720P videos are actually recorded at 6 Megabits/sec. That's plenty of bitrate to handle HD videos. The problem is the codecs being used. The EVO is using generic MPEG4 video instead of H.264, and the audio codec is 8kHz AMR Narrowband instead of AAC. That's the main reason they look bad. Compare HD videos from the EVO against the 720P videos from the iPhone and that's the main difference.
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i'm still learning about all this, but these differences seem more software-related rather than a hardware limitation, correct? given enough time and the source code, the devs would probably be able to fix this or htc updates the software (highly unlikely, but hell, i'm keeping hopeful). is it safe to assume a scenario like this?
So any ETA on resolution?
Video looks & sounds second-rate compared to the iPhone4.
acrh2 said:
Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqoqspzu8XE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU6bmAQMAq4
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Ok. After watching that the evo's video camera software has to be fixed.... and I do mean 'fixed'. The specs on the evo are too good to not be working as good as those 2 videos.
skiz220 said:
Im really getting depressed over the quality of the evo 4g 720p video especially compared to iphone 4, droid x, and new galaxy s (epic 4g) the fps of the evo just totally annoying me now every time i look at other 720p videos, is there anyway to tweak or improve this by software ? like come on seriously 20fps -_- that totally sucks
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Returning it for one of those devices appears to be in your future.
No, it's pretty bad. It's OK for indoors with decent lighting but if you're outdoors...the video quality is just terrible. The camera itself is just as bad or worse.
If we DO get a fix on this thing, does this mean I need to root my phone?
Yeah the Sound quality is piss poor compared to the iPhone 4 and the Droid X... I hope HTC or the devs can fix this.
My god, that source video of the Evo and the iPhone 4 really open my eyes to how badly HTC's ****ed up. The video from the Evo looks like it was recorded from a Razr, and the audio is about ten times worse than any smartphone I've ever heard. I really hope the developers can match the Evo's audio and video quality to that of the iPhone when the source is released.
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Returning it for one of those devices appears to be in your future.
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Not at all , I left verizon to get this phone the sprint network is not as great but their plans are a gift compared to other companies , over all im enjoying my evo plus this is my first smart phone so its a big jump for me,but I said depressed because I know this phone could be way better and be on par with these other phones such as the iphone but unfortunately htc crippled the evo :/
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I wanted to see if anyone has been able to have by default high res youtube playback on 3g connection. I know that the youtube app will play higher resolution over wifi but on my old htc devices I was able to stream high definition over 3g.
I'm also intersted in this.
siralex241 said:
I wanted to see if anyone has been able to have by default high res youtube playback on 3g connection. I know that the youtube app will play higher resolution over wifi but on my old htc devices I was able to stream high definition over 3g.
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any other word on this. Will there have to be ann app for it. It sux having to watch the awful quality.
this reminds me of the my old iPhone3g,,,, it sucks having to watch youtube in that kind of resolution,,, and with the phone not supporting flash yet... there is no other option
Bump again for this topic. I'm surprised it's not talked about more.
I just came from a Samsung Captivate and it has an option to run video in HD. It took a little longer to load the film, but was well worth it!
LS1Jabroni said:
Bump again for this topic. I'm surprised it's not talked about more.
I just came from a Samsung Captivate and it has an option to run video in HD. It took a little longer to load the film, but was well worth it!
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Yes, just people with HTC devices are able to watch HQ videos...
That sucks! I would have just gotten the HTC Surround if it didn't look so cheap and have such bad reviews.
We can only hope that either MS or a developer can come up with some software to fix this... as I wouldn't see this as being a hardware issue.
Buy a "RealTube" app, works fine on any handset.
Any way to do it? I read the galaxy s series wad capable but the feature was locked? Trying to watch the new bf3 Caspian border video in 1080p/60fps.. because YouTube sucks.
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Why?
Anything over 480p will just be scaled down to the 480p display and look, at best, the same as 480p.
RushAOZ said:
Any way to do it? I read the galaxy s series wad capable but the feature was locked? Trying to watch the new bf3 Caspian border video in 1080p/60fps.. because YouTube sucks.
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I don't recall any movies or tv's we have is 60fps. Its 29fps and 30fps
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AndrewZorn said:
Why?
Anything over 480p will just be scaled down to the 480p display and look, at best, the same as 480p.
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Because it's convenient not to have to transcode 1080p material that one may have in their media library just to watch it on their phone.
I deal with this all the time... I have a huge media server (10TB) with mostly HD content on it these days, because I watch the stuff via CIFS on my HD tv's using the LG BD570 bluray/network player.
I also use CifsManager (see Market) to mount these same shares from my server to easily access my library on my Epic4G around the house. I have ORB set up, but it' considerably less convenient and more cumbersome to use, so I only go that route when I'm away from home.
So, there is a very legitimate usage model where one might want to watch 1080p content on their phone. In addition to the network share (CIFS) method, one might simply want to copy 1080p media from their server to their phone for a trip, and not have to go through the hassle of transcoding.
dwallersv said:
Because it's convenient not to have to transcode 1080p material that one may have in their media library just to watch it on their phone.
I deal with this all the time... I have a huge media server (10TB) with mostly HD content on it these days, because I watch the stuff via CIFS on my HD tv's using the LG BD570 bluray/network player.
I also use CifsManager (see Market) to mount these same shares from my server to easily access my library on my Epic4G around the house. I have ORB set up, but it' considerably less convenient and more cumbersome to use, so I only go that route when I'm away from home.
So, there is a very legitimate usage model where one might want to watch 1080p content on their phone. In addition to the network share (CIFS) method, one might simply want to copy 1080p media from their server to their phone for a trip, and not have to go through the hassle of transcoding.
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This +10000.
You, sir, are far more eloquent than I could have been at explaining this.
bender29 said:
This +10000.
You, sir, are far more eloquent than I could have been at explaining this.
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there's an app called "Emit" on the market, which has server counterparts that will do server-side on-the-fly transcoding for you. The author posted some stuff about it on reddit and it was generally well received, but I haven't tried it out, really. Free version has ads, paid version doesn't.
I download 1080p content all the time, then stream it to my ps3 with an app or copy it over.
dwallersv said:
Because it's convenient not to have to transcode 1080p material that one may have in their media library just to watch it on their phone.
I deal with this all the time... I have a huge media server (10TB) with mostly HD content on it these days, because I watch the stuff via CIFS on my HD tv's using the LG BD570 bluray/network player.
I also use CifsManager (see Market) to mount these same shares from my server to easily access my library on my Epic4G around the house. I have ORB set up, but it' considerably less convenient and more cumbersome to use, so I only go that route when I'm away from home.
So, there is a very legitimate usage model where one might want to watch 1080p content on their phone. In addition to the network share (CIFS) method, one might simply want to copy 1080p media from their server to their phone for a trip, and not have to go through the hassle of transcoding.
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And yet, I didn't need to guess about OP's situation. In fact, he said:
RushAOZ said:
Any way to do it? I read the galaxy s series wad capable but the feature was locked? Trying to watch the new bf3 Caspian border video in 1080p/60fps.. because YouTube sucks.
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...for which my 'why' reply is quite appropriate.
No. He's absolutely right. I just downloaded the video and wantes to watch it. Without downscaling or any of that crap. Sometimes you want to do things the easy way. When you get a gs2, the outcome will be same. Same display resolution. Point is, I wanted to watch a damn video at 1080p lol and the hummingbird cpus in these phones can do it. So, back to the original question. Anyone know how to get this done? Without the trolling please? Lol
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The ipod touch can watch 720p...how come we can't and our OS is owned by the parent company of youtube!!
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My guess is that its disabled to make other phones seem like a better option? Not sure. But its annoying. And these phones are damn capable of it. Considering the power vr540 chip in these phones still kick ass compared to today's standards.
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RushAOZ said:
My guess is that its disabled to make other phones seem like a better option? Not sure. But its annoying. And these phones are damn capable of it. Considering the power vr540 chip in these phones still kick ass compared to today's standards.
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Man, the Epic 4g was gimped from the getgo because of the Evo.
The OG specs for the Galaxy S Pro wouldve stepped all over the EVO. Sprint couldnt have that considering the amount of marketing they put in the evo to just have this random samsung phone come out of nowhere right after they launch their most heavily marketed phone with better specs because then people will be complaining that they paid for the evo and a much better phone comes out right after.
idk. just my theory. i like connecting irrelevant dots
Bump yo
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I think you're going to have to be transcoding. If you got this video off of the web I'm willing to wager you're working with a long GOP codec, which is processor intensive. Add in the scaling required (if it's widescreen the 800px width is the limiting factor, not the 480px height) and you're looking at a fairly serious task.
If it's worth anything I can put 24 cores worth of Intel i7 (48 if you count hyperthreading) one one transcode from one RAID-5 to another RAID-5. If I'm going from a codec that's all I frames (like Animation or ProRes) and go to a long GOP codec (like H.264 or some mpeg variant) with scaling and a mild sharpening it takes about 1/2 of real time. For a mobile to decode a long GOP codec and do a similar scale in real time - what took 24 i7 cores half of real time - impresses me. Somehow the Galaxy S II seems to be able to. Rumour has it the Epic Touch is a few weeks out.
soundman1024 said:
I think you're going to have to be transcoding. If you got this video off of the web I'm willing to wager you're working with a long GOP codec, which is processor intensive. Add in the scaling required (if it's widescreen the 800px width is the limiting factor, not the 480px height) and you're looking at a fairly serious task.
If it's worth anything I can put 24 cores worth of Intel i7 (48 if you count hyperthreading) one one transcode from one RAID-5 to another RAID-5. If I'm going from a codec that's all I frames (like Animation or ProRes) and go to a long GOP codec (like H.264 or some mpeg variant) with scaling and a mild sharpening it takes about 1/2 of real time. For a mobile to decode a long GOP codec and do a similar scale in real time - what took 24 i7 cores half of real time - impresses me. Somehow the Galaxy S II seems to be able to. Rumour has it the Epic Touch is a few weeks out.
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I'm a giant newb when it cone to decoding and whatnot. Can you simplify that for me please? Lol the video is the battlefield 3 Caspian border gameplay video. I specifically found it at full 1080 at 60fps. Its about 355mb. I tried rock player and software mode was HORRIBLE lmao about 4-6 frames a sec the video was running at lmao
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Have you tried mvideoplayer? Rockplayer only does software decoding. But I don't think it's capable of 1080p60, just 1080p30.
MVideo Player is my pick too. I download tons of anime and it's in 720p and 1080p at times and it somehow magically plays smooth as butter on the Epic with MVideoPlayer and it even shows subtitles correctly with no transcoding. Who has time to transcode stuff ?
I tried mvideoplayer and it won't play that bf3 file lol I think I'm sol. I really want to rip a DVD at full quality to test me screen. Anyone know where I can get some native high quality 720p videos?
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bit1 said:
MVideo Player is my pick too. I download tons of anime and it's in 720p and 1080p at times and it somehow magically plays smooth as butter on the Epic with MVideoPlayer and it even shows subtitles correctly with no transcoding. Who has time to transcode stuff ?
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Are you sure it is playing 1080p smoothly? Every time I try a 1080p file, no matter the bitrate it will disable hardware encoding, therefore playing choppy. Some 1080p files play OK, but never at the full framerate, at 1.6ghz it is fairly close, but still not 100%.
So far I've had the best luck with MX Video Player. MVideoPlayer works fine, but does not always display subtitles properly, and won't even play 1080p (Sorry, this video cannot be played) most of the time.
tbob18 said:
Are you sure it is playing 1080p smoothly? Every time I try a 1080p file, no matter the bitrate it will disable hardware encoding, therefore playing choppy. Some 1080p files play OK, but never at the full framerate, at 1.6ghz it is fairly close, but still not 100%.
So far I've had the best luck with MX Video Player. MVideoPlayer works fine, but does not always display subtitles properly, and won't even play 1080p (Sorry, this video cannot be played) most of the time.
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I figured I'd revive this thread since a fair amount has changed in the past 14 months. With new (and hopefully better) software decoding files using Android 4.0 and 4.1, 1080p video will at least run on an OG Epic 4G running CM9. However, the frame rate is still laughably low. That said, I was wondering if anyone has come across a configuration (overclocking or otherwise) that allows for a "relatively" smooth 1080p mp4 playback (really, minimal graphics movement, just so long as the audio and video sync). Yes, MX Video Player seems to be the best at running this high-resolution content (having used about 6 video players now), but not even HW+ and/or SW+ decoders can work fast enough.
Any insight is always appreciated.
All the footage I've seen recorded from it has been really low framerate like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IZIG-YnLhE
Just wondering if the actual hardware inside is limited?
Relax
Calm down, you're bashing the device before it's even been released. Just wait another 5 days, and if the video is still has choppy as it was in that video, then you can start saying SONY is crap. But for now, don't judge a pre-release device.
I was a little concerned after watching that video as well. But i'm sure that will not be the final consumer software. I can't imaging my GS1 would end up with a smoother video than this beast.
Supposedly the framerate for 720p video is 60Hz and the 1080p is somewhere around 30, don't remember exactly
Relax man!
Did you see the boost in Benchmarks of the N4? when everyone was *****ing about the earlier ones?
So wait
XxStatiX said:
Relax man!
Did you see the boost in Benchmarks of the N4? when everyone was *****ing about the earlier ones?
So wait
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True that It had the worst benchmarks
XxStatiX said:
Relax man!
Did you see the boost in Benchmarks of the N4? when everyone was *****ing about the earlier ones?
So wait
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Lol when it was put in a freezer
I thought flash video's just played in 30 FPS, regardless of what the source FPS was? (as in a 60 FPS video uploaded, will only playback as 30 FPS on YouTube)
The ones uploaded are recording at 22.5fps at 1080p. The sensor supports 30fps at 1080p
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I don't get why they're 22fps tho?
Venekor said:
I don't get why they're 22fps tho?
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Because all the reviewed devices are pre release
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I just recently purchased the G2 and I've noticed some pretty poor performance when streaming video. I've tried both the youtube and Netflix apps and it doesn't look like it's HD quality at all. I've come from the iphone 5 where streaming in HD looks incredible. AND with the specs this phone has I would expect it to be capable of streaming even better. I tested the HTC one, g2, and S4 in the Verizon store and they all seemed to stream video pretty poorly. Is this just an android thing or am I crazy? I have a 720p and 1080p video stored on my phone and the quality is no where near that. I have the Nexus 7 and the quality on that is just amazing which makes me think it's not an android thibg. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
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YouTube has always looked better for me with quality files compared to Netflix. I have not been able to get Netflix to stream true HD even with a solid signal. Google video does exceptionally well. Using my own files, I get beautiful HD playback.
Is it the video player or the actual video itself?
I don't stream Youtube too often, but I thought something was seriously broken (software wise) when the videos looked low quality. I tried watching through a browser and there appeared to be no difference.
After several low quality videos, I just recently came across a video that offered really clear quality so I'm going to assume that it was poor quality uploads for the previous videos I watched.