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Hello Guys,
I have been very happy reading itjes post in the beginning of semptember that he has gotten a official Xperia 6.5 kernel. I really got the hope that we will get an 6.5 update for the Xperia by Sony Erricson.
But yesterday I was shocked when I read the official blog of Xperia / Sony Erricson.
I thought I have bought a enterprise device with first-class service - its definitly what I paid for.
Thats why I would like to write an open letter to Sony Erricson with you to present them our point of view.
I will never buy a Sony Erricson device ever again if we don't get an official update and I am not going to buy a Software-Update for 800$ (X2).
The Xperia is not even one year on the market and we don't get anymore support ? I dont think that this is a enterprise service!
I would like to write the open letter HERE at xda to show them how many we are and that we are united here.Thats why I would like you to collect arguments here - and discuss.
Later (in a few days) I will collect all of your ideas and write the letter and publish it here where you can all sign it.
Greetings
SlowlyDead
I agree totally with all the aspect that you say. This situation has been discussed many times in this forum and others. I expect that all this ideas and opinion will serve to make SE think and restate it's plans. I told what I think about the 6.5 support a few weeks ago, there is a post here about it.
Best regards.
when i bought the x1 last November at no point did sony say or give the impression that they would update the os to 6.5.
the have done 2 firmware updates and there may be one more to come.
i think people should stop complaining as no other mobile phone company are giving free updates on a product that is a year old.
There are plenty of discussions already regarding SE but as we all love to moan and groan about them why not start a new thread just to give em some s**t.
My main concern at present is that as you say support for X1 stops and support for X2 starts, we wont be able to OFFICIALLY get any of the panels from X2 on our X1 or any of the additional software that comes with X2. So it seems the panels that are available now are all that will be available to the X1 and future ones are for X2 only.
I would like to see WM6.5 along with new panel manager and X2 panel downloads in an update available for the X1 OFFICIALY via SEUS. However im not too fussed about WM6.5 but would be a bonus.
We all are with you. We want 6.5 since the X1 could run it perfectly. Such a expensiv device gets such a bad supports. That's a shame!
Ganondolf said:
i think people should stop complaining as no other mobile phone company are giving free updates on a product that is a year old.
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Apple still manages to update the first generatin iPhone after all this time...
1 - Your letter will achieve nothing.
2 - Write oit yoorself, no one else cares.
3 - Yes, SE's support and services are crap and yes we bought a high-end device for a premium price, but look at 4...
4 - SE never promised to give a free 6.5 update. Why should they? There is no logical reason. Some companies do it, but that is their decision and not mandatory act. SE is not one of them and X1 is not one of those phones. Deal with it.
They are not obliged to do it and they don't need to. Not happy? No one cares. No one will give you free stuff. Don't be a cheap ....... and buy your stuff. It feels much more gratifying believe me.
Do you expect the company that sold you your PC with Windows XP to provide you a free upgrade to Vista? Hahahahahha.
Think for a second. THINK!
Ganondolf said:
when i bought the x1 last November at no point did sony say or give the impression that they would update the os to 6.5.
the have done 2 firmware updates and there may be one more to come.
i think people should stop complaining as no other mobile phone company are giving free updates on a product that is a year old.
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true, they didn't say anything about upgrading to 6.5 last year.
but since there are so many people complaining about no support after "1 year", i have to say: that's not true!
here in europe the x1 hit the market in september or early october 2008. it had firmware-problems and needed and got 2 updates. some bugs got fixed, some are still present and some were even built in! (x1-cam-videos playing fine in r1, laggy playback in r2 & r3!)
r3 came out when? april 2009? since then: nada. nothing. not even leaks like prior to the r3. this means that se stopped development for a device which cost 800,- euros (!) after only HALF A YEAR!!!
i think one has have every right to complain about that! and remember it when buying a new phone...
caliban2 said:
true, they didn't say anything about upgrading to 6.5 last year.
but since there are so many people complaining about no support after "1 year", i have to say: that's not true!
here in europe the x1 hit the market in september or early october 2008. it had firmware-problems and needed and got 2 updates. some bugs got fixed, some are still present and some were even built in! (x1-cam-videos playing fine in r1, laggy playback in r2 & r3!)
r3 came out when? april 2009? since then: nada. nothing. not even leaks like prior to the r3. this means that se stopped development for a device which cost 800,- euros (!) after only HALF A YEAR!!!
i think one has have every right to complain about that! and remember it when buying a new phone...
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im in the uk and bought the phone on release, the start of november. the only country that got it before the uk was Sweden, they got it mid october.
i have had lots of phones from SE and other companies and its very rare SE ever give firmware updates but on the x1 they have given 2, which have sorted alot of the bugs and speed issues. now that the bugs and speed issues are sorted there has not been any need for another firmware update.
i spent £500 for the x1 and the only thing i am unhappy about is the cracking problem, it was the highest spec phone when it was released, the best looking and since release they have sorted all (most) the software problems.
what people are asking for is stuff (panel manager, panels, wm6.5) which people that bought the x1 are not titled to and if SE kept giving x1 users free stuff (like wm 6.5 which they have to pay license frees to give) they would go bust.
if u want the new stuff buy a x2 or wait till its leaked onto the forum.
Thanks for the support.
To some critic:
I think there is a huge difference between Windows and Windows mobile.
While Windows is the main OS in personal computer market and sold between 100 and 300 € Windows Mobile is not avaible to buy by the end costumer. Only producers can buy it for their products. Although Windows mobile cost just about 5-10 $ (rumors, we cant by sure about that but it has to be there somewere). I would not be that angry if Sony Erricson / Microsoft would give me the opportunity to buy Windows Mobile 6.5 for something about 10 € without losing warranty. The X2 has only a minimal improved hardware and the customs roms shows us that the X1 can run 6.5 fine - Where is our opporunity to upgrade ?
Therfore I totaly agree with caliban2.
And too orelsi:
To 1) we will see
To 2) I will write it but I want to write a letter we can all identify with and collect all arguments.
Greetings
SlowlyDead
Ganondolf said:
im in the uk and bought the phone on release, the start of november. the only country that got it before the uk was Sweden, they got it mid october.
i have had lots of phones from SE and other companies and its very rare SE ever give firmware updates but on the x1 they have given 2, which have sorted alot of the bugs and speed issues. now that the bugs and speed issues are sorted there has not been any need for another firmware update.
i spent £500 for the x1 and the only thing i am unhappy about is the cracking problem, it was the highest spec phone when it was released, the best looking and since release they have sorted all (most) the software problems.
what people are asking for is stuff (panel manager, panels, wm6.5) which people that bought the x1 are not titled to and if SE kept giving x1 users free stuff (like wm 6.5 which they have to pay license frees to give) they would go bust.
if u want the new stuff buy a x2 or wait till its leaked onto the forum.
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jap, made a typo above - it started at 699,- here. does it matter if it started in the end of september or 2 weeks later in mid-october?
se still left the x1 in april, which is about a half year, give or take.
i'm not interested in the new stuff, the panels, some x2-games - i can get everything if i need here or on other sites.
but what i want:
the most pressing bugs fixed (vid-playback, stability, etc). i don't know how you can say everything is working smooth and fast now... i want the substructure to be fixed. i'm normally on custom roms, but yesterday i flashed the official r3, because i had to try something - it's still horrible! every late custom rom with x2-drivers and the leaked 6.5-kernel feels nearly twice as fast!
so, looking at how the x1 has positioned and looking at it's competitors, it's been a ripoff.
but let's not start a flamewar here. if you're happy and content - good for you. all i wanted to say is that se stopped developing/supporting the x1 after ~6 months, not a year as it's always said. (apart from fixing broken phones on warranty, which is something completly different)
se never promised 6.5 on the x1. They don't need or have to do it. Stop whining about losing something that you were never promised in the first place
hey orelsi, just curious:
is this the max font size on xda or does it get even bigger? you might change the colour to red and use underlines though, you know, so that really noone can miss your post.
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jap, made a typo above - it started at 699,- here. does it matter if it started in the end of september or 2 weeks later in mid-october?
se still left the x1 in april, which is about a half year, give or take.
i'm not interested in the new stuff, the panels, some x2-games - i can get everything if i need here or on other sites.
but what i want:
the most pressing bugs fixed (vid-playback, stability, etc). i don't know how you can say everything is working smooth and fast now... i want the substructure to be fixed. i'm normally on custom roms, but yesterday i flashed the official r3, because i had to try something - it's still horrible! every late custom rom with x2-drivers and the leaked 6.5-kernel feels nearly twice as fast!
so, looking at how the x1 has positioned and looking at it's competitors, it's been a ripoff.
but let's not start a flamewar here. if you're happy and content - good for you. all i wanted to say is that se stopped developing/supporting the x1 after ~6 months, not a year as it's always said. (apart from fixing broken phones on warranty, which is something completly different)
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Do I want a new update? I don't really care. Everything is as close to perfect as humanly possible. Sure, I wouldn't mind one or one thousand more, but...
Do I need a new updae? Not really. Reasons stated above.
The R3A fixed many of the bugs and issues woth stability, etc. Anything else can be fixed by simple tweaking.
The X1 is fast, smooth and bug free. I am happy with it and I'm quite hard to satisfy when it comes to technology.
SE's support sucks. Their attitude sucks.
BUT
They are notorious for not providing many updates to their phones, so the X1 had some luck in that area. SE's policy is ****ty at best, but it has been like that for years. If you don't like it, you shouldn't have gotten the X1. Buy something else in the future...
Slowly Dead, I agree with you even being a lawyer. Sure SE has no obligation, but for a device like the X1 support and updates should be something to go without saying. This is my first SE unit and if we do not get service, we will go with companies which offer services like HTC. The ability to upgrade with XDA -many thanks - is not an argument to benefit SE. Certain customary standards aplly to SE and if not kept, they are out.
We never said that SE promised us the update. All we say is that we like to see 6.5 on our phones and we ask SE to make that update so WE MIGHT CONSIDER A SE PHONE AGAIN!
If your x1 is perfect, do not dare to download 6.5 if it pops up, @orelsi
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Slowly Dead, I agree with you even being a lawyer. Sure SE has no obligation, but for a device like the X1 support and updates should be something to go without saying. This is my first SE unit and if we do not get service, we will go with companies which offer services like HTC. The ability to upgrade with XDA -many thanks - is not an argument to benefit SE. Certain customary standards aplly to SE and if not kept, they are out.
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They have provided 2 updates already. They fixed most of the problems and issues.
They DO NOT need to provide WinMo 6.5.....
Updating customer devices regularly to fix problems - mandatory.
Upgrading customers devices with newer OS (never promised or hinted when the sell was made) - NOT mandatory.
Want a newer OS? Buy a new device, because bno one promised you and upgrade. No one will do it just because you want it..... If wishes were pennies......
oTToToTenTanz said:
We never said that SE promised us the update. All we say is that we like to see 6.5 on our phones and we ask SE to make that update so WE MIGHT CONSIDER A SE PHONE AGAIN!
If your x1 is perfect, do not dare to download 6.5 if it pops up, @orelsi
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You - We want 6.5
SE - Why should we give it to you?
You - We paid a premium price for the X1!
SE - Yes you did and we gave you an OS with it didn't we?
You - Yes, but it was 6.1.
SE - Then you should have waited another year for 6.5.
You - But...
SE - Do you expect to get the new X2 for free, because you paid a lot of money for the X1?
You - Well, no, but...
SE - IT IS THE SAME THING!!!!!!!! Thank you and have a nice day .
You can't blackmail them to give you something for free lol. You are free to choose any other product on the market, if you don't like SE's.
What makes you come back to a company for another purchase?
1 - Nice product. Is the X1 a nice product? Yes.
2 - Quality support. Do we have this? Nope, but we got more updates than most SE phones...
3 - Free stuff? Nope... That company would go bankrupt.
I wouldn't download 6.5, because and don't like it at the moment. By the time I need it and it's bug free, It would be time for to get a new phone and that phone will have it pre-installed...
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Slowly Dead, I agree with you even being a lawyer. Sure SE has no obligation, but for a device like the X1 support and updates should be something to go without saying. This is my first SE unit and if we do not get service, we will go with companies which offer services like HTC. The ability to upgrade with XDA -many thanks - is not an argument to benefit SE. Certain customary standards aplly to SE and if not kept, they are out.
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HTC is not really better!
The TouchHD, which is also one year old, will not have WM6.5 update
oTToToTenTanz said:
We never said that SE promised us the update. All we say is that we like to see 6.5 on our phones and we ask SE to make that update so WE MIGHT CONSIDER A SE PHONE AGAIN!
If your x1 is perfect, do not dare to download 6.5 if it pops up, @orelsi
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if orelsi wanted a 6.5 rom he would of downloaded a custom one a long time ago.
First I would like to say that I think it is slightly ridiculous that everyone is wasting their time trying to get 2.2 in Q4. Specially when SE have already promised to upgrade the device in Q4; which probably means Q1 of 11'. There is also a very good chance that this upgrade will be 2.2. And, to anyone who knows how the leadership at SE think, this makes perfect sense.
But why are people even asking for the 2.2 when the 2.3 which is currently being engineered to actual phone models and is scheduled to go on sale Q4?
There will soon be more time spent attempting to root the X10 than it took on the ps3. Obviously we all need to keep the faith, but. Truth be told many of us would have dropped SE like a bad habit had we not been able to root the past few flag ship devices. Because all this flashy hardware means nothing if there are devices with less impressive hardware that out produce our phones because the 'other' company has figured out how optimize the latest available software.
So it came to me: I read some where that SE claims they patched this phone up nice and tight as a favor to their customers Because too many people were bricking their phones. It is also a benefit to SE since they do not get loaded down with telephone calls from disgruntled owners.
So here is my idea. Forget all the angry posted, and forget signing a petition for the 2.2 (when the 2.2 is what you will most likely get anyway). If you want to be angry about something be angry that this phone wasn't 2.x in May. And the angry posted threads and petitions are pretty much world wide now.
Here is what we all do: Pick up your telephone and call SE customer service and tell them you want the 2.3 in Q4. Call them once a week and make the call take as long as possible. If we all called once a week we would drive SE mad! Tell your SE rep that you are tired of waiting so long for updates that are already last years products. They would have only two choices. 1) release the root to the X10 them selves or, 2) give us the 2.3 in Q4
Everyone: CALL SE AND DEMAND MORE!
Umm... no thanks, Mr. Angry.
yetep said:
Umm... no thanks, Mr. Angry.
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I am not angry at all. I find the whole situation rather humorous. But for those who want results, I would recommend calling customer service to complain.
But please, no matter how you manifest your complaints, please ask for the 2.3
ya...atleast we can let SE know that we are not happy.
lol fill there call centers with os upgrade request weekly. not a bad idea haha
robbyf66 said:
lol fill there call centers with os upgrade request weekly. not a bad idea haha
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Haha, made me laugh reading this
You think they would notice a few thousand calls per day all demanding the 2.3 in Q4?
I think it's a great idea, if I do say so myself.
Here are the world wide contact phone numbers.
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/corporate/common/contact/phonelist
We hope the only reason for the delay is the mediascape and such crap.... Maybe when they finish those new apps the will keep us more upgraded.... :|
nice idea
we all should place atleast 1 call weekly
no thanks i have a life. you want root so badly why would u end up getting x10 then? patience is the key it will come sooner or later
matt0323 said:
no thanks i have a life. you want root so badly why would u end up getting x10 then? patience is the key it will come sooner or later
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yep... are u gonna bring it? then i wait
matt0323 said:
no thanks i have a life. you want root so badly why would u end up getting x10 then? patience is the key it will come sooner or later
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This has nothing to do with root, this has to do with x10 behind 3 updates at any given time.
This has nothing to do with root, this has to do with x10 behind 3 updates at any given time.
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SE has done nothing to let you all down, they have said everything you need to know in order to make your choice of phone! Personaly i picked this phone over software for 3 reasons, estetics, big screen and the best camera you can find in a phone today. I am happy with my device, you who are not must have critically failed your research before you went out and got a new device! I knew what i was getting from the start so theres very little to be dissapointed about.
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1st of all, oh god if you dont have a solution that works right now,
DONT USE THIS TITLE
2nd of all...... you are amazing for coming up this solution....
fm1776 said:
First I would like to say that I think it is slightly ridiculous that everyone is wasting their time trying to get 2.2 in Q4. Specially when SE have already promised to upgrade the device in Q4; which probably means Q1 of 11'. There is also a very good chance that this upgrade will be 2.2. And, to anyone who knows how the leadership at SE think, this makes perfect sense.
But why are people even asking for the 2.2 when the 2.3 which is currently being engineered to actual phone models and is scheduled to go on sale Q4?
There will soon be more time spent attempting to root the X10 than it took on the ps3. Obviously we all need to keep the faith, but. Truth be told many of us would have dropped SE like a bad habit had we not been able to root the past few flag ship devices. Because all this flashy hardware means nothing if there are devices with less impressive hardware that out produce our phones because the 'other' company has figured out how optimize the latest available software.
So it came to me: I read some where that SE claims they patched this phone up nice and tight as a favor to their customers Because too many people were bricking their phones. It is also a benefit to SE since they do not get loaded down with telephone calls from disgruntled owners.
So here is my idea. Forget all the angry posted, and forget signing a petition for the 2.2 (when the 2.2 is what you will most likely get anyway). If you want to be angry about something be angry that this phone wasn't 2.x in May. And the angry posted threads and petitions are pretty much world wide now.
Here is what we all do: Pick up your telephone and call SE customer service and tell them you want the 2.3 in Q4. Call them once a week and make the call take as long as possible. If we all called once a week we would drive SE mad! Tell your SE rep that you are tired of waiting so long for updates that are already last years products. They would have only two choices. 1) release the root to the X10 them selves or, 2) give us the 2.3 in Q4
Everyone: CALL SE AND DEMAND MORE!
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you are making it sound like rooting the phone will solve all its problems. what makes you think you can even load 2.2 on it? you will still need SE to release the specific drivers for each update. if you are so keen on wasting time bothering their low level customer service representative who probably have zero say in the updates, be my guest. just remember you are wasting your own time and their money. the money they waste on you guys might just be what'll prevent them from further supporting the x10 beyond 2.1 after Q4.
Whiner. Drain.
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Tjotte said:
SE has done nothing to let you all down, they have said everything you need to know in order to make your choice of phone! Personaly i picked this phone over software for 3 reasons, estetics, big screen and the best camera you can find in a phone today. I am happy with my device, you who are not must have critically failed your research before you went out and got a new device! I knew what i was getting from the start so theres very little to be dissapointed about.
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Tjotte: There is no doubt the current status will effect different users in different ways. Glad to hear that you are amongst the group that has gotten what you were looking for. I think even those people less pleased than yourself are happy for you.
However, I think we can all see from this site that not everyone shares in your enthusiasm. And, we users should respect these opinions as well. You only stand to gain if these people are successful in their efforts to get more for our devices.
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you are making it sound like rooting the phone will solve all its problems. what makes you think you can even load 2.2 on it? you will still need SE to release the specific drivers for each update. if you are so keen on wasting time bothering their low level customer service representative who probably have zero say in the updates, be my guest. just remember you are wasting your own time and their money. the money they waste on you guys might just be what'll prevent them from further supporting the x10 beyond 2.1 after Q4.
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First, let me say thank you! That's right , thank you. I think everyone who would like to see a MUCH MORE proactive SE after sales service are grateful that we have your permission to proceed in any manor we see fit. Your approval really means the world to us.
Second, let's discuss this "further support" you mention. As a long time SE customer with every flag ship device SE has made in the last eight years in my possession allow me to dispel a myth. You will get the update that was promised to you, even if it takes over a year to get it. Than you and every other X10 owner are going to be dropped like a hot potato. Forget what anyone says, go by what they ALWAYS do. Actions speak louder than words. But, this is the same story year in and year out. Why do you think SE even mentioned continued support? Because they know it is problem number one that SE customers have.
In the end I am sure it will rank right up there with the Black service cards they issued to X1 owners. Which by the way were meaningless. Nothing extra, nothing what so ever. Just a peice of black plastic with the letters VIP typed on the face of it, JOKE.
Third, is rooting the end all of end all's? Of course not, but at least I know from experience that I will be in control of my device, and I do not have to wait years for something I can do in a matter of a few days. And, I will have 100 times better device than someone who does not have their phone rooted.
Lastly, Will calling in to SE bother the "low level" customer service reps? This is what their job is. To listen to their customers complaints. I don't think they get many phone calls telling them ' I just called to say hello'. And, these reps not only have meetings sharing the hot topics they have been facing each week. But they also enter the information in SE's system which is reviewed by their supervisors. So if enough people called in believe me the 'high level' decision makers would get the message. If you combine this with the bad publicity they are getting, emails, and petitions, I think they will get the message that we SE customers are getting tired of being taken for granted.
@fm1776 - I think you're right about this point... if we make enough noise then we will be heard. People dissing others ideas when they have none if their own adds no value and serves no useful purpose. We, the customer simply need to keep cranking up the volume until we're heard. It is the only way.
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The squeaky wheel gets the oil.
Hello everyone,
This is my first posting on XDA developers thought i've been following the community for quite some time as its helped me with a lot of my other phones in the past.
Eclair is probably going to be the last major release for the Experia 10 family. Froyo was originally being considered to be released in August but unfortunately change of management that occurred several times last year and this year kept changing, ending and starting new project all over the place at SE.
Eclair has been ready for some time to be released and the past few months has been a constant battle to get people to agree to release Froyo instead of Eclair.
Long story short, Froyo is a no go and Eclair is what is being released. It is currently being pushed out to the various operators for branding.
Furthermore, future Android releases will be customized for future phones and not the X10i, X10 mini/pro
these days it is so easy to say something with out proof!!
If you believe it or not that is your own choice. I'm not making claims that SE will release anything any time soon. Rather im saying that they wont!
Which is the major difference here. The fact that I posted on here today is because I got fed up of everything that is going on in the office.
Its not that 2.2 cant be released its that they just simply wont release it.
do you work at se?
yeah like you say. it's your first post. and you speak like a se spokesperson or something lol
unless you are an insider, i don't know how you'd be able to say what you said with 100% certainty.
but we are not waiting for SE to release an update!!
we are waiting for our dev!!
yes... and yes...
Bull**** in my ass. SE will relese 2.2 in end of Q4 2010 or Q1 2011. Got it from SE in Sweden.
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HAHA...great, now we have 2 unsubstantiated claims about Froyo.
Skepticism aside, the argument as presented here makes sense. Hopefully it's a mistake or troll but anyone who's seen corporate politics up close will be all too familiar with events like these.
So if true: Thanks for the information. If it's not: Eff off you trolling low-life.
If things turn out this way it's an even bigger reason to crack the bootloader or for SE to release a warranty-voiding unlocked loader.
Well,
Seeing as I work at SE on the SE DEV team in Sweden I would like to think that the information I have is fresh off the press so to say.
The information you have with regards to 2.2 being released in Q4 maybe Q1 was the original plan yes.
But you enjoy that update when it comes out FreeKill.
Thanks ddewbofh,
I didn't expect people to be so offensive in their response when information is being given and not about an amazing even rather about an upsetting set of news.
I have more confidence in Cyanogenmod will be available to x10i rather than an official Froyo release.
In principle, you should be able to flash Froyo that is provided by google directly. There are 2 major things stopping you from doing that.
1. The phones that the public has are flagged as "Red" for retail phones and the dev phones are flagged as brown... please don't ask why those colors.
This means that even if I were to get a phone from one of the stores take it back into the office and try to flash it with our own tools then it wont work.
2. The modem software that is provided by the general release from Google does not work on the x10i phones.
However, once the bootloader is cracked you can always grab the modem package from a dump and included to the general release.
so, do you have a access to engineering bootloader?
Well, needless to say if you were to leak a copy of your tools we could get it working given a little time
Just out of interest you say "flagged" is that a software or hardware flag?
So since its already ready so to speak...
Im sure a copy leaked underground wont hurt anyone ...
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I know about the colours... dont you have a tool to change the certificates from retail to dev?
Also there must be a modem tool out there that you know of that could possible work...
Well, it's going to be SE's choice.
If their corporate bull**** is going to screw their customers, they will move on. Hell, I know at least 5 persons who sold their X10 for a shiny new SGS, even when the X10's hardware is far superior than the SGS (Not talking about actual performance, but overall hardware obviously)
It would be a pitty, really. For the people like me who live in a country where your only option is to use an unlocked phone, because our carriers do not have a different kind of option, the X10 is the best Android handset in the market for the right price.
Sure, the SGS has better hardware performance, but it also cost almost twice as much as the X10 around here... and the other HTC stuff can't compete with the X10 as a whole package (Camera, picture quality, LCD, media player, sound quality)
I don't know why is so hard for SE to excel. To let their customers, and the other manufacturers know that the brand is best of the best. That they are going to give their product the best it can handle, until it can't handle it anymore (Like Gingerbread, for example) like HTC does. Shame that I don't like HTC handsets, the build quality is crap, the camera and sound quality are even worse... they only work as a cell phone, not as a whole multimedia package, like the X10.
If this is real, then the X10 will be my last SE phone. I stopped using them after ALL their phones became crap after the glorious w810i. This is my first SE phone in 4 years after having SE phones only, and would be my last if they let me down again.
I agree. You're potentially lost you're job anyway.
You might aswell hand over the goods. You, as a dev, woulda understand that Android is meant to be open source; Therefor you should have no quams in providing a more positive outlook on a product you have worked hard on.
Or just throw it all into that other ugly phone. Just sayin'
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EDIT: Just out of curiosity, you say you have been watching this forum did a while. What was the general consensus when you informed your team the X10 was rooted? I'm merely curious as to your stand point on locking the phone down so much.
SELeak, if this information is true and our only hope for Froyo/Gingerbread is through cracking the bootloader, how about some more "insider information" on how we could get this done? If you really wanna help the community, help us get through Sony's "let's protect everything because we're paranoid" bootloader.
first of, big thanks to SELeak for sharing his info
i think if you were to share more in-depth info about the bootloader etc, you should contact the team that made the root for x10 possible, if you are willing, contact me on PM, i will give you the info how to get in direct contact with somebody from the team, if they have't contacted you already
best regards
Your title might also be taken as misleading, as Froyo is not a "major release" per say. Version 2.1 to 2.2 is a minor release in my book.
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Hello everyone,
This is my first posting on XDA developers thought i've been following the community for quite some time as its helped me with a lot of my other phones in the past.
Eclair is probably going to be the last major release for the Experia 10 family. Froyo was originally being considered to be released in August but unfortunately change of management that occurred several times last year and this year kept changing, ending and starting new project all over the place at SE.
Eclair has been ready for some time to be released and the past few months has been a constant battle to get people to agree to release Froyo instead of Eclair.
Long story short, Froyo is a no go and Eclair is what is being released. It is currently being pushed out to the various operators for branding.
Furthermore, future Android releases will be customized for future phones and not the X10i, X10 mini/pro
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SELeak, if this information is true and our only hope for Froyo/Gingerbread is through cracking the bootloader, how about some more "insider information" on how we could get this done? If you really wanna help the community, help us get through Sony's "let's protect everything because we're paranoid" bootloader.
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+10
SELeak, if you do in fact work for SE development, the community here would very much appreciate any assistance you could give in helping to crack the bootloader.
However, as it stands this thread really doesn't belong in the Android Development forum, as it isn't directly contributing to Android development on the X10.
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/22/sony-ericssons-ceo-promises-big-surprises-in-the-next-few-mont/
That jackass... you want to bet they are officially announcing no more updates for X10 after this year
well i read somewhere yesterday that SE is planning to provide updates to the X10 throughout its lifespan so that the phone is not antiquated easily.
now i wonder what is the lifespan of x10 according to SE..!!
Maybe this is where they announce the release of a future device with a new design and actual up to date software?
Yes its going to be called the psphone
Grand opening and he is drunk?
Mmmm are we getting android 3 before psp2?
Sucks for psp department, cos se are lazy ass.
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Could possibly be an SE WP7 phone and/or a new android phone. Could be the 'rumoured' Xperia X11 and Xperia X12. Would hope there is continued support for the X10 announced regardless of what happens.
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Sweeeeeet!!!!!
How about skipping the conspiracy theories?
An X12 (or whatever they'll call the +1 version) preview would seem likely or perhaps even an updated roadmap for the year 2011. All nay-sayers seem to enjoy that we haven't gotten any info about Froyo and use the 2010 roadmap to support their thesis that we won't get it at all.
But on the other hand you can take the "SE is not pure evil" route and consider that the 2.2 kernel was trickier than anticipated to port and thus delayed. It's not impossible that we could get Froyo in 2011 and shipping that in 1H 2011 could be considered a big thing.
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How about skipping the conspiracy theories?
An X12 (or whatever they'll call the +1 version) preview would seem likely or perhaps even an updated roadmap for the year 2011. All nay-sayers seem to enjoy that we haven't gotten any info about Froyo and use the 2010 roadmap to support their thesis that we won't get it at all.
But on the other hand you can take the "SE is not pure evil" route and consider that the 2.2 kernel was trickier than anticipated to port and thus delayed. It's not impossible that we could get Froyo in 2011 and shipping that in 1H 2011 could be considered a big thing.
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Pretty certain there's a SE Win Phone 7... that should be one of the surprises
And then there's the rumoured PSPhone, and who knows... an X10 tab LOL
ddewbofh said:
How about skipping the conspiracy theories?
An X12 (or whatever they'll call the +1 version) preview would seem likely or perhaps even an updated roadmap for the year 2011. All nay-sayers seem to enjoy that we haven't gotten any info about Froyo and use the 2010 roadmap to support their thesis that we won't get it at all.
But on the other hand you can take the "SE is not pure evil" route and consider that the 2.2 kernel was trickier than anticipated to port and thus delayed. It's not impossible that we could get Froyo in 2011 and shipping that in 1H 2011 could be considered a big thing.
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Exactly.
I think that SE may have got their act together (in thinking about software as well as hardware), and are maybe waiting to update to the next android revision (2.2+) or they've had problems with porting froyo, as you say.
But I think that they will also release newer phones around march to halfway through next year, that'll be announced in the next few months.
I think the X10 is supposed to have a 2 year lifespan... No?
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I think the X10 is supposed to have a 2 year lifespan... No?
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i hope for a longer one...!!
I just LOVE this phone..!! not more than my lappy though.
HunteronX said:
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But I think that they will also release newer phones around march to halfway through next year, that'll be announced in the next few months.
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they definately will and lets hope the x10 gets supported longer than what most ppl think...!!
I would be willing to bet that they will announce the release of their latest must have device. It will be such a draw that X10 owners will forget that they are still waiting for their revision to be completed. We will all rush to have this new must have device with nearly all the bells and whistles. Only, we will have to wait a bit longer for a software revision that will take, oh about forever, or just long enough for SE to announce their next latest and greatest. Which will also make you forget that you are still waiting for your current devices revision. and so on, and so on, and so on.
This is like da ja vue.
It is starting to bare more than a strong resemblance to what happened to me with the P900, P910, and X1.
The cynic in me says hey, we cant update the x10 as we thought so chuck out a new model for our loyal customers to buy...... i only had mine cos voda said new firmware sept. Oh bugger nuts!
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fm1776 said:
I would be willing to bet that they will announce the release of their latest must have device. It will be such a draw that X10 owners will forget that they are still waiting for their revision to be completed. We will all rush to have this new must have device with nearly all the bells and whistles. Only, we will have to wait a bit longer for a software revision that will take, oh about forever, or just long enough for SE to announce their next latest and greatest. Which will also make you forget that you are still waiting for your current devices revision. and so on, and so on, and so on.
This is like da ja vue.
It is starting to bare more than a strong resemblance to what happened to me with the P900, P910, and X1.
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If that happened to you with the P900,why buy the P910 and the X1, and then the X10?
And why tell us not to buy SE when you did buy,and you will continue to buy SE products?
MAN... you are strange
Experience says "Whats Surprising to SE, may be an old news to the rest of the world!"
berbecverde said:
If that happened to you with the P900,why buy the P910 and the X1, and then the X10?
And why tell us not to buy SE when you did buy,and you will continue to buy SE products?
MAN... you are strange
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I know. Believe me looking back I feel pretty silly.
Edit- Sorry, to answer you question. I actually might, if it were truly great. But believe me I would wait several months for the product to be tested by the market, and only if the device is release as planned. No more broken promises. I would rather have a lesser device with a company that is more straight forward!
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LOL..!!
seems to be that way since long time...!!
I predict WP7 devices, some feature phones and two new android phones that will look amazing and have everyone thinking about them until they come out at the end of 2011 once every other manufacturer has surpassed any glitzy features they came up with to make you want them now.
Does this sound familiar?
At the moment I'm interested in what they will do for their next hardware. I've got my x10 and as much as I'm frustrated at the way its been produced and the laughable software updates i still like it so much more than my HTC Touch Diamond.
Its clear that wanting to level with the other android devices simply isn't going to happen so lets all get on with waiting out our contracts and hope the next SE android device really kicks ass.
SE is sitting on the key brands that make a top multimedia device and simply needs to stop holding back on features from the Cybershot and Walkman brand rather than coming up with the smoke and mirrors of Timescape and Mediascape. If these apps must continue to be part of the Xperia line then have them as apps instead of welded in bloatware.
I wish there was some way of making sure that this happened but it seems that we can petition and moan on blogs and forums until we're blue in the fingers but in the end SE will do whatever they want and that tends to have nothing to do with what we the Geek consumer wants.
I'll stay hopeful.
"Most truths we're once deemed blasphemies"
PLEASE NOTE: THIS THREAD IS CREATED BECAUSE I SINCERLY LIKE SE AND NOT FOR BASHING SE. IF YOU WANT TO TROLL OR BASH SE CREATE A NEW THREAD
Dear Sony,
I am one of your avid Fan. Right from the beginning I was using SE phones only. To Mention a few I have used F500i, J230, K750, W810i, K810i, W980, W705 and now X10. So as you can see I was using SE right from 2004. I can say “If you have Once used Sony Erricson, you will always use SonyEricsson”.
Let me be very clear. I love you so much. I have defended SE in many forums from many trolls and iSheep bashers for many years. I did this because I love SE and I believe you will always gives me what is best out there.
But off late you are not living up to your fans belief. What the is wrong with you?
The last master piece from you was W810i. After that all your products disappoint me. K810i, W910i and W980i all of them were total disappointment for me. Off late all your products follow a certain approach, you will announce a very good product and then there will tremendous delays in bringing it to the market, after that i will have many software bugs and hardware failures. So before the product becomes complete it will become outdated..
If you refuse to believe I will give you proof.
Do you know W810i was announced in Feb ’06 and availability was Mar ’06.
K810i was announced in Feb’07 and availability was Apr 07.
W980 was announced in Feb’ 08 and availability was Aug 08.
W705 was announced in Oct’ 08 and availability was May 09.
Satio was announced in Feb’09 and availability was Nov ’09.
And Xperia X1, X2 and X10 every kid knows its delays and bugs.
What happened to you SE? There were long delays. Even after delays none of these phones lived up to its hype ( W980,W705, Satio and X10). You were the first to announce many technologies (8MP, 12MP camera, snapdragon with android phone, even 4" screen) but you were the last to bring it to the market with sky high prices. Where is my Old SE? where I can get all latest tech in a budget phone? Where are you SE?
And Like a Crown for all your failure, the X10 2.1 update. When other are pushing to bring 2.2 for their flag ship device, you cant even bring 2.1 to your Flag ship phone. Instead of bringing 2.2, you are back porting live wallpaper and 5 home screens to 1.6.
WHY THE HELL YOU ARE RE-INVENTING THE WHEEL?
Stop wasting your precious resources in back porting things. Move more resource to bring 2.2 to X10. If you cant alteast please open the bootloader.
X10 had everything to make you success but you missed it.. Good Design, Good Hardware (at Nov '09 nobody had this hardware) and Good Name (You have loyal fan base) and Perfect time (Think if it had been released during Christmas time).
X10 could have been your own iPhone or Droid. It could have been your golden egg but you missed it. What going on in your mind SE? If I can think all these, cant the armani wearing million dollar salaried EO's think? Have you lost it?
We have defended you so long SE but you are now disappointing us more. You even embarrass us by saying you turned down google (X10 as Nexus one would have been epic). Please don’t cheat us more SE. We love you but there is a limit for our patience. If you keep cheating us then Even God (I believe he is there) cant save you.
All I can say is please bring out Froyo update for X10 soon and with no bugs (We dont want 1000 new features we just want Bug less phone). After all you are a more talented company and you certainly deserve a second chance like Moto.
Please SE don’t disappoint us again and save yourself from bankruptcy. Please Make us Believe
---- A sincere, beaten, disappointed and embarrassed Sony Ericsson Fan .
A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language.
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class.
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets.
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market.
Good day sir!
Another point god or gods do not exist, therefore offer no threat.
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iead1 said:
A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language. - Removed
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class. -- Removed
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2 - What I ment was they are back porting 2.1 features to 1.6 - Ambient time app
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets. But Total cost of ownership for a not so high end is high compared to other high end phones. This will be the thought of a average guy
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market. I agree. If they could had made things perfect like releasing with 2.1 and in december, they could have sold Millions in other countries too
Good day sir!
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Tasteslikeawesome said:
Another point god or gods do not exist, therefore offer no threat.
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I believe he is there But no Offense (Original post edited to reflect my view)
IF some one could send this to SE CEO, I would be glad. Or If you can pm me his mail-id, I will send it myself.
Thanks
No offense but what do you think you reach by sending this kind of letter to a CEO? No matter which company he is leading, this really is a "straight in the dustbin" letter for those managers...
Again no offense, you wrote down what you think, but I want to bet he don't read till the half of it, to try that out, you might put in the last sentence something about him having an affair with a dead horse, if you dont get anything back, I proved my point....
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Gotta agree with PollPixx.
imo they don't go past the subject of e-mails... snail mail is a thing of past.
moreover they don't go over this stuff personally but their PA's etc do... separate the junk out and send in the "really important" stuff... but only god knows what that is (apart from them )
Looking away from the language, it is a fine letter to SE.
I have also only had SE phones private, starting with the old
Ericsson 318, Erisson t68
t280, t610, k530, k750, k810, k850
c905
w595, w715, w760
x10, x10 mini, x10 mini pro
My 3 kids have all had SE W595 and now they all have X10 mini.
Also i have only used SE for work in many years, currently i have a x10 mini pro...
At work it have been me that have decided what phones we have bought and used for the last 3-4 years, so i have been the main reason that we have only bought SE phones...
- that is over 250 SE phones all together, at work...
(I know that it is NOTHING in the big picture looking from SE headquarters, still it must count for something)
In this answer i just want to ad my own dissapointment thoug...
The main problems is that the big X10 is missing the FM-radio, missing the better headset connection and missing the one finger zoom, while the two cheap small X10 mini models have those things.
What is that about SE ?
Why have you decided to make 3 different X10 series phones, and then at the same time make the TOP model, the one with the weakest features ?
I am really dissapointed with you SE, the lack of updates, the missing features in the X10 top model.
From (i think it was) the old T610, or was it K750, and all the way up to now, my SE phones have allways had FM radio build in, and that was for me a loved feature, then you decide to release the X10 without FM Radio, and after that you again decide to put in FM radio in the mini´s ??
I know i didn´t read close enough in the specs when i bought my X10, but i really was expecting that there would be FM radio in an SE phone, and offcource there would be in the top model, no question about that. What a dissapointment !
An other lack is that tracker (step counter) that was build in i think all the newer phones eg. W595 and W715, now with X10 i again see a loved feature removed, why ?
I find it strange that good working features that SE implement in your phones, is removed again from newer phones.
Features that actually IS the SE brand, features that we learn to love and use every day, you decide to remove.
Why ?
I don´t get the point in making that huge effort to make a few nice new features like timescape and mediascape, and becource of those features you have been left behind, and are currently stock on Android 1,6, and right now we all are waiting for S/E-Android 2.1,, ONLY Android 2,1 when other companies like HTC are moving away from Android 2.1 and on to Android 2.2...
S/E why not release Android 2.2 fast and be the leader in the marked.
Then let people decide for them self IF they want the S/E signature-features like TimeScape and MediaScape when you have those ready later.
Just make new features avalible from your fine PlayNOW system just like you did with CreaTouch.
Why have you at the same time decided to lock down the bootloader of the X10 when Android is a brand new OS you are just learning ??
- release the bootloader now, and look what happen, learn from it and then when you are actually doing a better job coding the OS than other DEV´s on the www, you can decide if you again will lock down bootloaders in your future android phones.
At the moment it make no sense at all, not to let your dev-team learn all they can about what can be done with the hardware you have made.
The hardware is actually really great, and solid build, it is "only" the software that is the problem...
Now i move on to the strange thing about wide range of current phone models you have on the marked.
Why that many, is that really nessesserry at all, really ??
Why not make an effort to be the absolutly best there is on a mutch smaller range of phones, only focus on a few models, perhaps only android phones, as you have said that you want to be world leaders in Android powered phones in a few years anyway.
As i see it you only need one X10 model more to have a complete set of phones, so there will be at least one that souit everyone.
Add one more X10 mini and make it with an old style slide out t9 keyboard.
At last.
I have also been thinking about jumping over to an other brand, and perhaps also look for other phones next time we need some at work, as i am that dissapointed with SE...
But private i find my self thinking that i perhaps just should wait and get the X12 when that is released...
Can i really be that stupid, REALLY ???
- dispite my dissapointment with SE, really ???
SE you are SO lucky that you have a big and loving fan base...
At work i KNOW that SE have the best hardware and the lack of features i mentioned here is no problem in work use...
Again SE you are REALLY lucky that you have a big loving fan base...
Just DON`T dissapoint us anymore !
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I believe he is there But no Offense (Original post edited to reflect my view)
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He? Why would a god need to have a specific gender? They would have no use for it.
Anyway i dont think religious dribble should be in an email like that to a company. Makes you look like a bit of a fruit cake.
pshdo said:
An other lack is that tracker (step counter) that was build in i think all the newer phones eg. W595 and W715, now with X10 i again see a loved feature removed, why ?
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I won't bother replying to the rest...but, my X10 has one.
It's called the Android Market, you can download anything, including pedometers.
At least they all look familiar and have similar sounding names - X5, X8, X10, X10 mini, X10 mini pro. SE are trying to satisfy each segment of the market, just like their competitors HTC, Samsung, Motorola and Nokia do.
@iead1
Is there something you're not telling us? Like who you work for.
Please dont embarass yourself. Your grammar is atrocious.
How about buying an AD on newspaper, and then I'm sure the SE CEO will see this.
sony in general is a big comany, my family has been buying sony things for at least 20 years (got an old and really old stereo which still works o.0)
they always had the best things in the marker, we even say if it's a sony is good
in the past I never used SE, just used nokia or motorola but when i saw the x1 i just felt in love, but when I knew that no wm 6.5 would arrive to it i was so pissed we paid a lot for it to get nothing more, same applies for the x10
i know companies want to get more profits but where's the customer's satisfaction? they use to think that is better to have loyal customers for a long term instead of just having a lot for few months (kinda the thing is going on today)
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@iead1
Is there something you're not telling us? Like who you work for.
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I work for a local board of education, in the mountains of rural Kansai Japan.
Want me to take a picture of my desk with my X10?
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I work for a local board of education, in the mountains of rural Kansai Japan.
Want me to take a picture of my desk with my X10?
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does that mean SE JP HQ??? xD jk
alankstiyo said:
does that mean SE JP HQ??? xD jk
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I wish! I'd be making more money than I do now!
iead1 said:
I won't bother replying to the rest...but, my X10 has one.
It's called the Android Market, you can download anything, including pedometers.
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Yes, but those on marked is far from working as good as the one in eg. w715...
- and if you was actually using it, you would know that ;-)
Anything ?
- then throw me a link to an fm radio application for the x10, or to one finger zoom perhaps, or to any of the other things that the x10 don't have, that the mini's and all the old SE phones have... *LOL*
Send from my X10, still without 2.1 *&%#
I think that the live wall paper and home screens reference has to do with the SE Japan release of Ambientime which has 5 home screens, pseudocode live wallpapers and a new lock/unlock swipe which is more animated.
That app looks like work that was done as an assessment of the phone's potential to do live wallpapers. It's sort of interesting even if it makes the phone laggy and lockup.
iead1 said:
A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language.
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class.
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets.
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market.
Good day sir!
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don't know if it'll install but here you go