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upgrade from N95 or wait?

Hi just found this forum after digging around trying to find info on the touch HD.. and thought that you folks arethe best people to ask..
Had my N95 for near 2 years (is the original 1 not the 8GB one) and have found it to be a great phone...... but fancied a change and tbh after seeing the Touch HD i kinda fell in love with it.. lol
I dont know alot about phone in general... so am unsure if upgrading to the HD is a good idea at this time? or is there something much better just around the corner i should wait for? or even a better phone out atm i should maybe look into?
i suppose im just a little worried about buying into another 24 month contract with a phone thats about to get a superior *big brother* in a few months....
So,,, reckon i should just go for a new HD?? or something else? or wait a couple months for some all singing and dancing phone i know nothing about yet? hehe...
great forum... very informative... if a little overwhelming for me
Cheers!

In my opinion you should wait-- cuz there are already more powerfull phones (like Toshiba TG-01) coming out!!! Im personaly waiting for something with Nvidia Tegra!!
Touch HD is a great phone in overall, but all phone have some flaws-- no d-pad, poor video performance(with stock drivers)--- you should read some reviews about Touch HD to get more thoughs about it!!
But anyways Htc aint releasing a much more powerfull phone this year (check www.pdadb.net ) so I think its worth to wait!!

I too upgraded from the original n95....great phone but I too liked the touch.
imho there is always a phone worth waiting for but when do you ever buy?....I think that if you were happy with the n95 for two years then the same will be true for the Hd.
Yes it has it`s quirky points but don`t all phones?
I am well pleased with the Hd and I signed up for 18 months with the option to upgrade in 15 months which I believe is the norm these days....just look through the forum and see what can be done to and with this phone.
I say go get it!!
Hope that helps!

i agree with Hdowner
Great phone and with all the modifications that can be done you can have a new phone everyday LOL well almost
Unless your heavily into watching videos on phone the video performance is fine
and I have never missed the dPad

I upgraded from an N95 about 5 months ago now, & kind of wished I had bought an i-phone instead. But I'm on the fence because I now run Miri's Cooked win mobile 6.5 ROM, which has improved the HD massively. If u decide to purchase a HD, prepare to flash a new ROM.
I could not believe my eyes the first time i booted up my HD and got a message that a programme had crashed, D'OH! Not a good start
I sum up with this;
If u want a business/professional phone with a large high rez screen, easily carrier unlocked and flash upgradeable get a HD.
If u want a great multimedia phone, application store, easy touch controls but an over controlled experience by Apple get an I-phone (S)
Tab

thnx for the input........ i have lately started to look at a couple of other phones.. like the new N97... or the Omnia 2... but none seem to grab me like the HD does...... i know everyone has there own tastes and likes,, but i just think it oozes quality and looks amazing,,,, a definate head turner
even toyed with the idea of the Iphone,,,,,,, but dont think i could jhandle being tied to all things apple,,,, and not being able to access the thousand of 3rd party appz out there... even on my n95 the ammount of free software is amazing and i can only imagine its even greater with a windows mobile,,,
now i just need the courage to try and work out how to upgrade it to Windows mobile 6.5 ...

HD is great (with non-stock ROM ) and I'm very satisfied but if N95 is operative to you could wait for new device coming and then you could choose with new platform.
But You must know I love change and mod device: iPhone (with screen more smooth etc..) is a jail to me and I hate install app only through Official Store (40Mb of s*it only to move mp3 on ipod... bleah!!)
D'rath

I'd say it's worth it, the newer HTC devices aren't necessarily better, just different, if you want simplicity and not a lot of flexibility consider the iPhone, but if you want control and choice go for a HTC device be it WM or Android.

Any Ex Nexus users?

I have a Nexus and love it! Debating on the HD2, even maybe keeping it as a secondary phone is it worth it? Or do you find yourself missing your Nexus?

Homotechual said:
I have a Nexus and love it! Debating on the HD2, even maybe keeping it as a secondary phone is it worth it? Or do you find yourself missing your Nexus?
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missing it since day 1 with the HD2 keep the For at least a week and don't use you N1 and you will endup going back to it I'LL BET YOU ANYTHING!!! YOU WILL
haha LOL

had both nexus & hd2. was a tough decision. they both had their pros and cons. in the end i sold the nexus. what sold me on the hd2 was the hw. its simply a beautiful/fun phone. dont get me wrong, the nexus is awesome. i actually prefer android over wm but in the end it wasnt enough.
the one thing i still miss is all the apps from the android market. while imo alot of apps were "novelty" apps and not really useful to me, there was always an app that did what i needed it to do.
i believe the stock hd2 rom is "clunky" for lack of a better term. some of the cooked roms really make the ui fluid. right now preferring kumars

I think a lot of people went back to their N1 because of the simplicity of android and the apps and updates that are released to fix the bugs unlike for the HD2 and please no one mention cooked roms. As most people dont know how too install the ROMS....

I don't own either but played with both while trying to decide which I want. I have a G1 now and REALLY wanted a Nexus but I am on a family plan and Google has made getting the Nexus too difficult. I talked to the CSRs at TMo and even work arounds will be a giant pain because the plan we're on is a 'grandfathered' plan that isn't available anymore so as long as we don't change it we keep it.
I like the Android OS, I like knowing it will continue to be updated with new and improved releases. While most of the apps in the Market are crap there are a few I do use frequently and best of all 95% of those I use are free.
Sadly if I shelled out $500 for this phone my wife would castrate me.... as much as I want the Nexus I don't want to pay an arm, a leg and.... uhhhh... well, don't like the phone that much.
HD2 is a beautiful phone and I looked at the ROMs and would definitely flash one over the stock ROM. I had 2 WM phones and I do have fun tweaking it, setting it up only to do it all again when I flash something else but there were sooooo many things I hated about WM and I can't remember all the apps I used to use. There was one app that changed a setting and actually killed the app when I closed it rather than move it to the background where I had to go into task manager to kill it. Also have an issue knowing this is on an old and notoriously quirky kernel while only the UI has been updated. Essentially a dead OS that will receive very little in updates.... basically what we have now is pretty much it and up to the creative DEVs here to keep us going. How many more apps will be updated or created with WP7 coming out later this year and all the iphone 1.0/2.0 like features along with it?
Ultimately I think I may end up getting the HD2 and dealing with WM for a while until TMo gets a high end Android phone (Rumor about a Samsung Galaxy also going to TMo). After all the HD2 is amazing piece of hardware and I'll just have to deal with the shame of WM.

Well think it it this way how much would you save in the long run? Because any smartphone you get with a contract you have to add the 29.99 for 2 years times by 24= 700+ So i buy a phone outright and keep my Tzones save so much money in the long run. Also T-mobile Android phones boughtout right or not they do not work with Tzones you will have to switch. Nexus is the only android phone i know of that works with Tzones since its not T-mobile branded.

KidTech said:
I think a lot of people went back to their N1 because of the simplicity of android and the apps and updates that are released to fix the bugs unlike for the HD2 and please no one mention cooked roms. As most people dont know how too install the ROMS....
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While it's probably true that (statistically speaking) most people do not know how to install cooked ROMs, it does make the HD2 a far better phone to use, and I consider it a critical part of the decision to purchase.
Most people who own a car do not know how to change the oil, but it still needs to be done. Most people who own a guitar do not know how to tune it, etc, etc.
it's an unfair limitation to suggest that the availability of cooked ROMs should not be factored into the decision making process, IMO.

How many people know outside of XDA what a ROM is? Seriously T-mobile should of dont more testing with this device before they sent it out with this buggy rom. I like this device a lot amazing hardware but hate the little bugs like when it jumps from E-3G and now my device freezes a lot. If i didnt buy this new from ebay i would of returned it and prob gone for the N1. And even the N1 has issues but atleast they sent out update to fix them. I wonder whats taking T-mobile so long? and since WP7 is around the corner i doubt an updates will be given if any at all..

KidTech said:
How many people know outside of XDA what a ROM is? Seriously T-mobile should of dont more testing with this device before they sent it out with this buggy rom. I like this device a lot amazing hardware but hate the little bugs like when it jumps from E-3G and now my device freezes a lot. If i didnt buy this new from ebay i would of returned it and prob gone for the N1. And even the N1 has issues but atleast they sent out update to fix them. I wonder whats taking T-mobile so long? and since WP7 is around the corner i doubt an updates will be given if any at all..
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I guess I am different from most people, in that when I decide to make ANY purchase over a certain amount of dollars, I'll research literally everything I can about the product for a considerable amount of time (depending on the cost) before buying it. The fact that everyone doesn't do this is partly to blame for the problems encountered by most users.
Many people go crazy and install everything they see from any source on their phone, and it acts funny... understandably so.
I'd definitely agree that HTC could and should have done a better job with some aspects of the stock ROM, but this is true of any phone manufacturer, and HTC is better than many others in this regard.

I ended up keeping the HD2 bcuz im hoping for an android rom. the hardware made me keep it. its really beautiful but android is much much better than windows mobile i miss android. I had to install a rom just to enjoy the HD2 if you don't know how to install roms i would suggest you learn if you plan on owning this phone. If not go for a nexus one.

it depends on what you want out of your phone.
you'd have to root the nexus one to save apps to sd card. while on the hd2, it already has apps 2 sd capability.
customization is actually higher on the hd2, but it takes A LOT more work. i find it much easier mod the stock android os BEFORE rooting. pick your poison.
in terms of hardware, the nexus one actually has a brighter screen due to AMOLED display while of course, the hd2 screen is a monster in terms of size vs. the n1.
if you really really are in love the android OS and want the screen size of the hd2, why not move over to sprint and get the htc EVO? almost the same hardware specs except the evo is actually better equipped with a front facing camera, hdmi input, etc..

aero_pg said:
I ended up keeping the HD2 bcuz im hoping for an android rom. the hardware made me keep it. its really beautiful but android is much much better than windows mobile i miss android. I had to install a rom just to enjoy the HD2 if you don't know how to install roms i would suggest you learn if you plan on owning this phone. If not go for a nexus one.
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Same here i'm waiting for an Android ROM, i hope its out during the summer or maybe when the EVO comes out it can speed up the process. But the hardware is amazing just wished there weren't so many issues with it..
Anyone if T-mobile or HTC release an software update or are making one?

I kept the Nexus anyway and just use it on the spare line.

I work for T-Mobile so I'm limited to T-Mobile phones, I would NEVER switch to Sprint no matter what phone they got. I use to have them and work for them and not a fan at all. I think i'm going to keep the Nexus One and wait for the Galaxy S. Thanks for the input, and yes my Nexus is rooted so flashing a HD2 shouldn't be to hard. IS there much of a difference rooting Android compared to Windows?
2 things that really turned me off about the HD2 is I heard Battery life only lasts half a day, and the Facebook app which I use A LOT doesn't give you ANY notifications. Also something I love about the Nexus is finding phone numbers I just search a company from the google search bar and it gives me numbers for that company in my location. On the HD2 you have to go to the browser and then do that unless maybe I'm mistaken?

I work for T-Mobile so I'm limited to T-Mobile phones, I would NEVER switch to Sprint no matter what phone they got. I use to have them and work for them and not a fan at all. I think i'm going to keep the Nexus One and wait for the Galaxy S. Thanks for the input, and yes my Nexus is rooted so flashing a HD2 shouldn't be to hard. IS there much of a difference rooting Android compared to Windows?
2 things that really turned me off about the HD2 is I heard Battery life only lasts half a day, and the Facebook app which I use A LOT doesn't give you ANY notifications. Also something I love about the Nexus is finding phone numbers I just search a company from the google search bar and it gives me numbers for that company in my location. On the HD2 you have to go to the browser and then do that unless maybe I'm mistaken?

Htc Hd2 bye bye

Well after 5 months with this baby I finally decide to sale it, I was one of those who purchase it when they just appear on the market past December.
I got the pink spot, wish was practically solve by HTC also and worst bug I got was distortion sound with echo plus some times unable to rise the volume.
Also scrolling contacts was very tricky, I spend few months in how to find a way around with it and thanks to xda and you users, I learn a lot about WM
En plus so many crashes, when ever I push my phone to his limits ones he got hot he will crash.
Well during five months I learn to live with it I ask him the minimum and under that circumstances he would not crash
So what I got today day is a since 2 days new Htc Desire and so far fantastic! I been pushing this new baby to his limits and no one single crash, the sound is ok plus I can do a million things I could no do with the HD2
By the way I bought the Piel Frama case Htc Hd2 here in Xpancys Hong kong and I wont be able to use it, if some one there who happens to live in Shenzhen or HK I am almost giving it away paid 60 euros want 20 mint conditions
I haven't fallow much whats up with the hd2 lately, but I am sure many new things have change thanks to xda, so I am sure you are all enjoying your phone as much I did even he gave me some headaches
Sheers

Good bye for HD2 section. Hope this will be the last time you are here. Way too many thread like this.
I played with Desire and it's really boring, and even sluggish when I just slide some page on Sense, press a couple of apps include web browser. Browser speed quite good but not as good as it is advertised, the screen as well.
I can say to u that HD2 can do million things that Desire cant. My HD2 never crashed for normal day usage, only crashed if I install stuffs at my own risks. And it never gave me headaches, just gave me curiousity of what I can do more.
Anyway, good luck and wish u happy with ur choice this time.

SOLRAC13 said:
Well after 5 months with this baby I finally decide to sale it, I was one of those who purchase it when they just appear on the market past December.
I got the pink spot, wish was practically solve by HTC also and worst bug I got was distortion sound with echo plus some times unable to rise the volume.
En plus so many crashes, when ever I push my phone to his limits ones he got hot he will crash.
Well during five months I learn to live with it I ask him the minimum and under that circumstances he would not crash
So what I got today day is a 2 days old Htc Desire and be leave me guys is day and night, I been pushing this new baby to his limits and no one single crash, the sound is ok plus I can do a million things I could no do with the HD2
By the way I bought the Piel Frama case Htc Hd2 here in Xpancys Hong kong and I wont be able to use it, if some one there who happens to live in Shenzhen or HK I am almost giving it away paid 60 euros want 20 mint conditions
I haven't fallow much whats up with the hd2 lately, but I am sure many new things have change thanks to xda, so I am sure you are all enjoying your phone as much I did even he gave me some headaches
Sheers
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Listen carefully... you will hear the sound of a thousand songbirds... not giving a toss.
Learn to use it and stop moaning.
Yawn.

SOLRAC13 said:
Well after 5 months with this baby I finally decide to sale it, I was one of those who purchase it when they just appear on the market past December.
I got the pink spot, wish was practically solve by HTC also and worst bug I got was distortion sound with echo plus some times unable to rise the volume.
En plus so many crashes, when ever I push my phone to his limits ones he got hot he will crash.
Well during five months I learn to live with it I ask him the minimum and under that circumstances he would not crash
So what I got today day is a 2 days old Htc Desire and be leave me guys is day and night, I been pushing this new baby to his limits and no one single crash, the sound is ok plus I can do a million things I could no do with the HD2
By the way I bought the Piel Frama case Htc Hd2 here in Xpancys Hong kong and I wont be able to use it, if some one there who happens to live in Shenzhen or HK I am almost giving it away paid 60 euros want 20 mint conditions
I haven't fallow much whats up with the hd2 lately, but I am sure many new things have change thanks to xda, so I am sure you are all enjoying your phone as much I did even he gave me some headaches
Sheers
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You put up with the HD2 for 5 months, but whom ever you got your Desire from could only put up with it for 2 days.
What's that tell you?

SOLRAC13 said:
I got the pink spot, wish was practically solve by HTC
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Poor guy, I got Nikon camera for taking pictures. Maybe you should sell Desire and buy decent camera?
Mike

SOLRAC13 said:
I ask him the minimum and under that circumstances he would not crash
Sheers
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so your phone is a guy?

This is my question - all of you out there who know that windows mobile 6.5 is a dead os for lack of a better term and also know that the development for apps for it is going to taper and die off at some point, I'd like to know what exactly is keeping you with a dated OS on a high end phone that will eventually hit a brick wall if it hasn't already with regards what it can do and what the OS will let it accomplish.
I just feel that the phone is such a waste with being limited to wm 6.5 yet having the power to do so much more. Frustrating. I was one of those who did the daily normal usage thing and it couldn't keep its wits about it. Not fun.

veritas17 said:
This is my question - all of you out there who know that windows mobile 6.5 is a dead os for lack of a better term and also know that the development for apps for it is going to taper and die off at some point, I'd like to know what exactly is keeping you with a dated OS on a high end phone that will eventually hit a brick wall if it hasn't already with regards what it can do and what the OS will let it accomplish.
I just feel that the phone is such a waste with being limited to wm 6.5 yet having the power to do so much more. Frustrating. I was one of those who did the daily normal usage thing and it couldn't keep its wits about it. Not fun.
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Why get an HD2? Because it can email, surf, navigate, game, shoot video and take pictures, take notes, create documents, play music and videos, other stuff I cant think of - and make phone calls too in a slim, stylish, good looking power-packed form that represents the state of the art of current WM phones, why would anyone NOT get an HD2?
My HD2 was with me this weekend on a trip to Minneapolis, stopped over in Chicago, no free wifi so I tethered my laptop wirelessly, in MN connected it to my laptop again iwth my cable and played the music on my storage card, used it to wake me up next day to get to the airport on time, in between made some calls, got my email, and it worked perfectly. I never once felt I needed some "app" to make my device more useful, it all just worked. Shame you cant see beyond the "apps" but as far as Im concerned, its far, far from a dead end.

i just bought my telstra hd2 and so far have no problems. i bought it knowing that wm 6.5 is some what a dying breed but still has lots of apps and uses. i do believe that others will start pulling out of developing apps for wm 6.5, just like skype and adobe.
its ashame that the hd2 might not be upgradable to wm 7 but the dev out here are great and may make things happen.
i dont care too much about android but it would be nice to have this option for newers apps and so hopefully when my hd2 gets boring, the port of android may be feasable. i would rather like to see a webos port over android tho.
good luck with your new phone.

Threads like this are dumb. Move on.
That said, your Desire is boring.

harolds said:
You put up with the HD2 for 5 months, but whom ever you got your Desire from could only put up with it for 2 days.
What's that tell you?
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Lol i was saying i just have the Desire for 2 days so he is 2 days old

c_legaspi said:
i just bought my telstra hd2 and so far have no problems. i bought it knowing that wm 6.5 is some what a dying breed but still has lots of apps and uses. i do believe that others will start pulling out of developing apps for wm 6.5, just like skype and adobe.
its ashame that the hd2 might not be upgradable to wm 7 but the dev out here are great and may make things happen.
i dont care too much about android but it would be nice to have this option for newers apps and so hopefully when my hd2 gets boring, the port of android may be feasable. i would rather like to see a webos port over android tho.
good luck with your new phone.
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thanks for your nice wishes, I did love my HD2 even that I got a lemon, It was my first and last experience with WM, we all were hoping an update to 7 wish seems no to be on the way.
So that was the ringing bell who push me to sale it before was to late
I

Tm5078 said:
so your phone is a guy?
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Of course he was a male, with a black leather Piel Farma case he could not be a female lol

sp5it said:
Poor guy, I got Nikon camera for taking pictures. Maybe you should sell Desire and buy decent camera?
Mike
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Lol I am not poor, withing the past 300 days I bought 1 nokia 5800, 2 nokia 97,1 nokia 900 wish i send back the day after and finally since 2 days 1 Htc Desire
So I think to have some experience with mobile phones, they all have the good and the wrongs even desire has one thing that I don't like Cannot select and copy text of your incoming sms....! The only work around is forward and then you can work on the text.
And yes I am hunting the no bugs, super ultrasonic mobile pone hope to get it before 2020 lol

my HD2 is also a guy with the leathercase my HD2 looks like an
Hellsangels-Member
but come on ... stop this stupid postings about our new and FU*KING-GREAT devices like iphone ...

Good Luck
..with your Desire..
But i think some guys, like you, miss the point!
Devices like the Androis's/AlppleOs's are Phones with extra's, so you can call it
"Smartphone"
The HD2 is a Smartphone with extra's , so you can call it "PocketPc/PDA"
BTW: The HD2 is something between PPC and Smartphone and this
is exactly what i've searched for.
If i wan't to use a "phone" i take
my "Nokia e66" (it also have a very good office sync and similar funktions to the HD2 - Wlan,Gps,OfficeTools) and i will be happy.
Otherwise i want to use a big f***ing 4,3" touchscreen (with WM6.5) and i'm much more happier.
So..please.... if you don't want to use your HD2.. sell it and shut up.
PS: the Desire is a very nice phone, too!!
(sorry for bad english)

SOLRAC13 said:
Well after 5 months with this baby I finally decide to sale it, I was one of those who purchase it when they just appear on the market past December.
I got the pink spot, wish was practically solve by HTC also and worst bug I got was distortion sound with echo plus some times unable to rise the volume.
Also scrolling contacts was very tricky, I spend few months in how to find a way around with it and thanks to xda and you users, I learn a lot about WM
En plus so many crashes, when ever I push my phone to his limits ones he got hot he will crash.
Well during five months I learn to live with it I ask him the minimum and under that circumstances he would not crash
So what I got today day is a since 2 days new Htc Desire and so far fantastic! I been pushing this new baby to his limits and no one single crash, the sound is ok plus I can do a million things I could no do with the HD2
By the way I bought the Piel Frama case Htc Hd2 here in Xpancys Hong kong and I wont be able to use it, if some one there who happens to live in Shenzhen or HK I am almost giving it away paid 60 euros want 20 mint conditions
I haven't fallow much whats up with the hd2 lately, but I am sure many new things have change thanks to xda, so I am sure you are all enjoying your phone as much I did even he gave me some headaches
Sheers
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Lol. Did the OP really think that we'd cared he came back to this Leo forum just to say bye bye? lol.

smartypants
Tm5078 said:
so your phone is a guy?
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dude, if you actually bothered to know more than one language, you would realize that a lot of languages actually have words with grammatical gender, which makes this kind of error quite normal
I opted for the HD2 when i could have Desire... and I am very happy with it... maybe I will think about Desire 2 when its out

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dude, if you actually bothered to know more than one language, you would realize that a lot of languages actually have words with grammatical gender, which makes this kind of error quite normal
I opted for the HD2 when i could have Desire... and I am very happy with it... maybe I will think about Desire 2 when its out
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Thanks lol that is exactly my situation I speak Spanish as main, then French as second now learning Chinese and do what i can with English.
And yes rumors say there will be an HTC Hd2 Android very soon so maybe that is the Desire 2

hope you enjoy your desire... its a good handset.
shame you will be missing out on this though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn017Og8Z3E

Should I get the HD2?

Hi folks,
in a few months I am able to extend my Vodafone Business contract and get the HD2. Currently I own a Touch Diamond and am finally VERY satisfied (after trying several ROMs for 6 months).
I still have some doubts about the HD2, I hope you can help me here:
1. Scratch-resistance of the display and the case.
I heard that the display itself is made of glass. For my diamond, I have a screen protector and a black Bugatti pouch. No scratches till now. So should I even use a pouch/screen protector, or is there no need for it? I am no big fan of those InvisibleShield solutions.
2. Availability and (especially) quality of custom ROMs.
Vodafone ROMs are made to be backed up (just in case of warranty) and then to be deleted. Any good and fast ROMs out there which basically provide an "upgraded stock experience"?
3. microSD
There is one delivered with the phone, but I could not find the size of the storage.
4. Landscape typing
Is it possible (without any greater hacks) to send SMS in landscape-mode? For the Diamond, I always use the standard portrait mode, but I once typed in landscape on an iPhone (phone itself: yuck, but the typing was great).
Thanks so far, I hope that you can help a potential HD2-owner
Regards

I use a gel case for the back, leaving the screen exposed and never had problems with scratching; nor worried about it being scratched unlike previous phones ive owned.
I believe it will be a 2GB microSD
Rotate the phone and it will allow typing in SMS screen natively.

in all honesty since you are "very happy" with your diamond, and still gave a few months to run, I'd wait and see what is around closer to the time. the hd2 is great, but its not a day to day phone, its a tinkeres delight, but as a phone its more like a work in progress. (it auto phoned my boss last friday just because I pulled the earphone jack out, it doesn't mute the fm radio when you get texts so you miss them, reception stability in standby is hit and miss..... )
if you want a great grownups toy, do it, if you want a phone, stock with what you are happy with for now.i

samsamuel said:
in all honesty since you are "very happy" with your diamond, and still gave a few months to run, I'd wait and see what is around closer to the time. the hd2 is great, but its not a day to day phone, its a tinkeres delight, but as a phone its more like a work in progress. (it auto phoned my boss last friday just because I pulled the earphone jack out, it doesn't mute the fm radio when you get texts so you miss them, reception stability in standby is hit and miss..... )
if you want a great grownups toy, do it, if you want a phone, stock with what you are happy with for now.i
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Agree with above!

great now you guys are giving me buyers remorse...i have bought one, being shipped to me now...all I plan on doing is putting a stock ROM on there and go from there....

samsamuel said:
in all honesty since you are "very happy" with your diamond, and still gave a few months to run, I'd wait and see what is around closer to the time. the hd2 is great, but its not a day to day phone, its a tinkeres delight, but as a phone its more like a work in progress. (it auto phoned my boss last friday just because I pulled the earphone jack out, it doesn't mute the fm radio when you get texts so you miss them, reception stability in standby is hit and miss..... )
if you want a great grownups toy, do it, if you want a phone, stock with what you are happy with for now.i
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While this is true, I'm also pretty certain that HTC will not be pumping out anymore Windows Mobile devices of this caliber. Their next HD2-like successor will be running Windows Phone 7 and not Windows Mobile. This is how they'll get people to pick up the newer OS in the future.
So if you like Windows Mobile for Windows Mobile and want to stick with this OS, I think the HD2 will remain in the limelight for quite some time.

hofo_mofo said:
great now you guys are giving me buyers remorse...i have bought one, being shipped to me now...all I plan on doing is putting a stock ROM on there and go from there....
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lol, you'll love it, dont worry
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While this is true, I'm also pretty certain that HTC will not be pumping out anymore Windows Mobile devices of this caliber. Their next HD2-like successor will be running Windows Phone 7 and not Windows Mobile. This is how they'll get people to pick up the newer OS in the future.
So if you like Windows Mobile for Windows Mobile and want to stick with this OS, I think the HD2 will remain in the limelight for quite some time.
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very true, the tyraosaurus rex of the 6.x line, hehe

i have now had my HD2 since it got released.. and i agree with the above. It's a great toy but not a very stable user experience i have tried every single ROM out there and still not exited about this phone:...
i have just ordered the desire wich i find to be a much better phone, but with a smaller screen im afraid
when htc evo comes to Europa i will change phone again
i have been a long time windows mobile user, but im done with that now.. i have owned almost 30 phones and have even had an iphone 3g. my favorite OS i must say is android... user experience, stability, and productivity wise, android wins in my book..
in some way i hate to say it cause windows mobile has served me good for a lot of years!

Well, thanks for all the replies!
I won't buy it right away but will do so in the next 2-3 months.
But then it has to be very reliable for the next two years, since I will be traveling a lot (Europe and USA)
For the time being, I will have a look at other phones as well.

I have the US Tmo version and I am going to return it tomorrow if they still let me (not sure if I am still within the remorse period), I tried really hard to fall in love with winmo again (was an avid Tilt user) but it just doesn't cut it for me anymore

I have a 1.66 WWE Stock ROM and 2.10 radio and I'm not having any problems at all. I don't get why people always say HD2 is unstable. The only problems I'm encountering is what to do next because my HD2 is already running perfectly.

Zuzler said:
Hi folks,
in a few months I am able to extend my Vodafone Business contract and get the HD2. Currently I own a Touch Diamond and am finally VERY satisfied (after trying several ROMs for 6 months).
I still have some doubts about the HD2, I hope you can help me here:
1. Scratch-resistance of the display and the case.
I heard that the display itself is made of glass. For my diamond, I have a screen protector and a black Bugatti pouch. No scratches till now. So should I even use a pouch/screen protector, or is there no need for it? I am no big fan of those InvisibleShield solutions.
2. Availability and (especially) quality of custom ROMs.
Vodafone ROMs are made to be backed up (just in case of warranty) and then to be deleted. Any good and fast ROMs out there which basically provide an "upgraded stock experience"?
3. microSD
There is one delivered with the phone, but I could not find the size of the storage.
4. Landscape typing
Is it possible (without any greater hacks) to send SMS in landscape-mode? For the Diamond, I always use the standard portrait mode, but I once typed in landscape on an iPhone (phone itself: yuck, but the typing was great).
Thanks so far, I hope that you can help a potential HD2-owner
Regards
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I have to agree with some of the things people are saying in this thread. Way too many people are attracted to the Hd2 because of the massive display, only to be disappointed because "it doesn't work" <-- Laughing at iphone users if you know what I mean.
Unless you are ready to handle a WinMo device, don't get the HD2. It requires too much tinkering in order to make it personally "YOURS" - and I'm not talking about personalization via pages upon pages of square iconic apps. *AHEM.
Regarding your questions:
1) I've used a vikuiti screen protector and have absolutely zero regrets. I am super picky when it comes to protecting my HD2 (going thru so many SP) so I hope you understand how much I crown this screen protector. Search my threads. I made a huge review about it.
2) Custom ROMS are always available- All the time. I use CleanEX mainly because gavin is an awesome and very active cook. He does a lot of the background stuff for CleanEX and when he release a ROM, ****, its awesome.
You should try it beta ROM, code named "AWESOMENESS" (all in caps)
3) Im using a 16GB class 6. Nothing but pure pleasure and speed when loading music or documents or games from the SD card. I had a 16Gb class 4. I noticed no difference in terms of speed.
4) typing in general, in sense UI can sometimes be laggy. Like you press an "A" and it does appear until a very split second later. But those laddyness are random. There have been lots of tweaks here and there to improve them. I never bothered, but they exist. I can live with the laggyness but I use SWYPE which has NO laggyness for me at all. =P

The problems I encountered were due to 3rd party software I installed or registry edits I made. After hard resetting phone and carefully choosing (and listing) the apps I install there are no major bugs to report.
Using only stock ROM so far, didn't find the need to risk a custom ROM yet.

lemonspeakers said:
[...]only to be disappointed because "it doesn't work" [...] Unless you are ready to handle a WinMo device, don't get the HD2. It requires too much tinkering in order to make it personally "YOURS" [...]
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That was the most useful post, thanks!
Well, basically it is the same as with the Diamond in the beginning: Requires some time to fiddle out all the settings, but then works like a charm. I have the Diamond for one and a half years now and it works perfectly. I even UC'ed mine to have the old data on it faster after flashing new ROMS.
People who complain that "it does't work" should get an iPhone imho, since everything works out of the box there.
I considered getting a phone with Android or a propietary solution (e.g. Nokia), but there is hardly anything to configure (and my beloved TomTom won't run). Will try getting my hands on the HD2 in the next weeks, to get a real opinion about it.
Thanks again!

Excuse me since I will give my point of view withot reading the entire thread.
I myself had HTC Diamond before I used an Iphone for over 3 years,the experiance between the two phones(Diamond vs HD2)is from sky to earth (I sold back the Diamond after using it for couple of days),if you have the time to customize it a bit,not necessarily ROM changing,Im on stock 1.6xx,I say you can easily fall in love with it,I pretty much can do anything with it, within my interest.Most of the problem comes after installing not so much tested 3rd party applications.
BTW I use it as my daily device and I had no such problems as mentioned in some of the posts above,may be just a new WM user beginners Luck!!

hagba, it was the same when the Diamod came out: New apps striving to be tested. Bugs everywhere. Good coders everywhere, too. So the bugs vanished after a few months.
And as I said, I will wait a few months until I get the phone, so I hope the most crucial bugs will be gone until then.
Thanks for sharing your opinion!

mines got the 1.66 rom and 2.07 radio direct from HTC......very stable.
I've had many winmo phones (mda compact/m600/kaiser/xperia x1) but the HD2 is the daddy!
Get one and you'll find it does everything your diamond will do......just faster and better!

Zuzler said:
hagba, it was the same when the Diamod came out: New apps striving to be tested. Bugs everywhere. Good coders everywhere, too. So the bugs vanished after a few months.
And as I said, I will wait a few months until I get the phone, so I hope the most crucial bugs will be gone until then.
Thanks for sharing your opinion!
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I dont mean just software-wise but more hardwarewise too,so much differance between resistive and capacitive as well as the size of the screens, however prepare your self for a pleasent surprise if you ever decide to get the HD2,more so that you are familiar with the WM and its modding process.

I have had my HD2 for 4 months now. I use it everyday for business. works flawlessly, and I'm a heavy user. lots of phonecalls, emails etc. use it as a wireless router or bluetooth PAN when I'm away on business. I have never once had the phone crash. I'm still running stock 1.66 ROM. I would definitely recommend this phone.

No crash sounds good - oh lord, what have I lost data on the Diamond based on buggy ROMs
But I will have to switch ROMs at least away from the stock one, Vodafone always has to have something special there.

Buying a MS2?

Hey Guys... don't know if my topic on off-topic makes much sense... so I'll link it right here as I'd like to get answers from MS2-users:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=926288.
Would you advice me to buy a MS2?
I'd like to get a fast device, updateable to Android 2.3 when available (don't care about a few month...), hardware keyboard, 1Ghz, lots of memory, 3,5mm headphone-out
I'm (as I wrote on my topic) also interested in LG P990...but it has no hardware keyboard...and I don't know when it'll be available.
MS2 perhaps could be available tomorrow for me...
I'm not glad to read that MotoBlur sucks the battrie...guess it's not neccessary for me...

I just got the MS2, if I were in your position I'd be waiting another month or two and either getting the LG P990 or one of the other models currently prepping for release
MS2 is a nice solid phone, but I honestly doubt it will see 2.3, has a locked bootloader, is pumped full of useless MotorBlur apps and has no interest from ROM makers other than Angdroid.
After a lot of screwing around my phone is relatively motoblur free, but with the locked bootloader and Motorolas poor support in mind, I wish I had bought something else or waited
If only I had a time machine!

I have had my MS2 for over a month and it is a solid performer.
No need to worry about MotoBlur as it can be removed. I use Launcher Pro and froze blur with Titanium Backup, no problems.
It is fast and has loads of memory for apps.
As for 2.3 upgrade I have no idea when or if it will get it.

I've had my MS2 for a week now, and yes Motoblur is annoying, though I'm living with it for now. Also a few other niggles like the '£' on the keyboard actually produces '$'. But apart from that it is fast and feels really sturdy.
If you're not in a rush, I'd hang on for while to see what other phones come out with hardware keyboards or if any ROMS surface as there's definitely room for improvement, but it's probably the best thing out now with a keyboard.

Szadzik said:
I have had my MS2 for over a month and it is a solid performer.
No need to worry about MotoBlur as it can be removed. I use Launcher Pro and froze blur with Titanium Backup, no problems.
It is fast and has loads of memory for apps.
As for 2.3 upgrade I have no idea when or if it will get it.
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Sorry, out of topic, but how did you froze up blur with titanium? Show me the way =P
About MS2, just buy it if you really want the physical keyboard. It's a pretty heavy phone (not a problem to me, but others might not think that way) and blur is really a battery hog and poor designed homescreen, it lags for no apparent reason, but the good news is that any homescreen replacement fixes it. Pretty solid phone, but not to everybody.

since my Xperia X1's weight is 159g and Milestone2 is 169...weight doesn't matter for me
good to know that any today-screen-replacement will deactivate that MotoBlur.
I guess I'll buy one
If I'm waiting for another good phone...i could wait for years... That earlier I buy a new phone that earlier I'm able to buy a new one xD
At least it has to rest for two years...and in two years I'll get a new phone with physical keyboard, hdmi-out and quadcore with a better batterie
>>>So if I can't find out that it has legs like Xperia X1 (sometimes it doesn't do anything for about 4-10 seconds...) or lags playing music (xperia X1 has small legs of some milliseconds while using TCPMP...) I'll order it today
Since today it's out for sale on O2 Germany...but no dealer has it on storage

pukeboy said:
...a few other niggles like the '£' on the keyboard actually produces '$'...
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FYI - If you press and hold the £ sign, you get a popup with a bunch of currency symbols on it, one of which is actually a £ sign.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Steve

pukeboy said:
I've had my MS2 for a week now, and yes Motoblur is annoying, though I'm living with it for now. Also a few other niggles like the '£' on the keyboard actually produces '$'. But apart from that it is fast and feels really sturdy.
If you're not in a rush, I'd hang on for while to see what other phones come out with hardware keyboards or if any ROMS surface as there's definitely room for improvement, but it's probably the best thing out now with a keyboard.
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Set up your locale correctly and the problem with pound sign and dollar sign will be corrected.
You can use Launcher Pro and a dozen other launchers so Blur IS NOT obligatory AT ALL.

Guys...changing launcher does not deactivate BLUR. BLUR is a set of widgets and system services and it's not that easy to disable it. One of milestone 2 subforums has a nice topic about disabling BLUR for real; I cant remember exactly where it is but there are not so many posts around here so far, so it should be easy to find
edit: found it: it's in general section and you can't miss it.

Du you mean deactivating or completly removing MotoBlur?
Removing should effect in lost warranty....and deactivating should be reversable?!
If I'll get a MS2....I'd like to use a docking station later on....and as far as I know, MotoBlur is needed for that docking station display mode?
hmmmmm...after MotoBlur is a battery-killer and with the encrypted bootloader...I'm not sure if I should wait for another device which fits to Android 2.3 specification and has a physical keyboard...
After the Xperia X1 I wouldn't like to get another device which needs hands on it to run fluently!

good to know that any today-screen-replacement will deactivate that MotoBlur.
I guess I'll buy one
If I'm waiting for another good phone...i could wait for years... That earlier I buy a new phone that earlier I'm able to buy a new one xD
At least it has to rest for two years...and in two years I'll get a new phone with physical keyboard, hdmi-out and quadcore with a better batterie
>>>So if I can't find out that it has legs like Xperia X1 (sometimes it doesn't do anything for about 4-10 seconds...) or lags playing music (xperia X1 has small legs of some milliseconds while using TCPMP...) I'll order it today
Since today it's out for sale on O2 Germany...but no dealer has it on storage
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It has no lag when watching movies.
I came from Xperia X1 and was happy with Milestone 1 and now am happy with Milestone 2.
Home replacement does not really deactivate MotoBlur but even if it runs in the background you will see no performance degradation because of that.
Guys...changing launcher does not deactivate BLUR. BLUR is a set of widgets and system services and it's not that easy to disable it. One of milestone 2 subforums has a nice topic about disabling BLUR for real; I cant remember exactly where it is but there are not so many posts around here so far, so it should be easy to find
edit: found it: it's in general section and you can't miss it.
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You can simply use Titanium Backup's Freeze feature.
Du you mean deactivating or completly removing MotoBlur?
Removing should effect in lost warranty....and deactivating should be reversable?!
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You can do either, the easier way is to freeze it with TiB.
If I'll get a MS2....I'd like to use a docking station later on....and as far as I know, MotoBlur is needed for that docking station display mode?
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Who told you MotoBlur is needed for docking station? I have a docking station and am using a totally different app then the one built-in.
MotoBlur has NOTHING to do with docking station.
hmmmmm...after MotoBlur is a battery-killer and with the encrypted bootloader...I'm not sure if I should wait for another device which fits to Android 2.3 specification and has a physical keyboard...
After the Xperia X1 I wouldn't like to get another device which needs hands on it to run fluently!
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You will not be dissapointed with this phone. You can deactivate MotoBlur and never think about it again.
Here is the tutorial someone else mentioned here too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10800001&postcount=26
It tells you what services/ apps you can freeze/ delete. I delted some of them and froze others.

Szadzik said:
Set up your locale correctly and the problem with pound sign and dollar sign will be corrected.
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Can you be more specific. My locale is set to "English (United Kingdom)" and it enters a $ instead of £, and tabs instead of € which is what the Droid 2 does.
Cheers,
Steve.

yesterday I've been testing a HTC HD2 Windows Mobile on-screen keyboard...since the sice is that tall and multitouch works fine I wouldn't need a physical keyboard I guess. Dows the software keyboard on Android work so good as well? So I could wait for LG P990 or Moto Atrix or Nexus S.
And it seems that I'm changing provider...as my O2 Germany contract is getting more expensive...those wired guys didn't tell me that my free-sms were only for two years...and now this contract seems to be more expensive than another provider...

If you are in Australia, and thinking of going with Optus for the Milestone 2, maybe call them to confirm.
I put in an order almost 3 weeks ago now for a Milestone 2 (re-contracting) and still haven't received the phone even though they have stock and it was apparently only going to take 3 days for delivery.
After half a dozen calls to Activations/Delivery Dept. @ Optus, still no phone...some "problem" with these phones at the warehouse in Sydney.
It's been escalated twice by team leaders to no avail.
So yeah, if you're going with Optus, maybe call them to confirm issue with the Milestone 2s before ordering or you may get stuck waiting in limbo too...

I learnt my lesson the last two times I tried ordering a phone from them, easier to cancel the order and go walk into a store. (Obviously you don't get the same 3 months free etc as you do ordering online).

Szadzik said:
Set up your locale correctly and the problem with pound sign and dollar sign will be corrected.
You can use Launcher Pro and a dozen other launchers so Blur IS NOT obligatory AT ALL.
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The keyboard issue is a problem with the rom. There is a thread about it on android forums.com but I'm not aloud to post a link.

Hello.
In a few months (march) i gone get the new phone from the operator. I have a dillema what to choose - Orig. Moto Milestone or Defy which i would to sell and buy Milestone 2. But I would like to know about the future of this phone because at this moment there is no roms for this phone. How do You think, there will be some roms in a future or Moto has discouraged developers and users (known reasons...) at all? I'm asking because with stock FW with motoblur it is so laggy but i know it can more with this realy good hardware.

As I was going to by a MS2, i googled around...and found out that a lot of better devices, but without physical keybaord, will be released soon! Have a look at benchmark-results of LG Optimus 2X Speed or HTC Desire HD or HTC Glacier, Samsung Galaxs S2... if you don't need a physical keyboard, I'd wait till WMC is over and manufacturers provide some really good devices as far as MS2 is still out of date: encrypted bootloader and no android 2.3?! Sorry...no way. Especially since there are no patches for known issues...
I was going to buy a MS2 cause of it's physical keyboard...but since I've tried onscreen keaboard on WinMob6.5 HTC HD2 and HTC Desire with Android 2.1 I think I don't need physical keyboard any more!
Give it a shot and try out the 4" onscreen software keyboard - it's really good, u won't regret it!
That way u can get a big ammont of speed by buying a phone without MotoBlur and that crap...and especially without encrypted bootloader!
If u'd like to get newest Android updates....go for the Nexus S. It seems to be one of the devices with the fastest updates!

You are right.. dont buy it its just annoying to have a locked bootloader... buy the Optimus x2 its a awsome device with a big future and Dual core zomg!...
or even the Desire HD, i was about to get it ... but no i got the stupid MS2..

when I'd get a new device, I would choose between them.
HTC Thunderbolt 4G - DualCore 1,2Ghz??, stand on it's back, 1800 mAh battery!
Samsung Galaxy S2 - 16GB + SD, DualCore
Xperia Arc - Android 2.3, nice components....but as my actual phone is a Xperia X1 and there war bad support...I'm not going to buy a Sony-Ericsson next time!
Nexus S - fast updates, delivered with Android 2.3 or even 2.4?!
LG P990 - HDMI-out, DualCore, delivered with Android 2.2 and updateable to 2.3 soon
Motorola Atrix - big advantage: ability to get a laptop-dock. put the device in, use it like a netbook. The revolutionizer! xD