I really think we have to do something very strong to make Sony realize they have to take care of us and give us Froyo without waiting for this silly Timescape/Mediascape nonsense update delay.
What do you think wille be the best collective action?:
-Petition
-synchronised mail (everyone send a mail to SE at a coordinated time)
-thousands of comments on this pages:
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...-upgrade-in-q4-2010/comment-page-10/#comments
-massive customer support calls
.... any idea
In my opinion, being a SE dedicated user since my K790, SE will give us a few updates including 2.1 but that will do it for this device.
2.2 (or 2.4, whatever) will be released on the X11 or whatever the next Xperia Android device is.
The reason is new business along with SE's continual use of a custom UI over a standard OS.
I had x1 and now x10, but if sony don't get Android 2.2 then I am selling this phone and not getting anything else from them again (would buy HTC instead).
/\ That's for sony hopefully it works
Ill say the petition and post it on any cellphone forum you could know,the point is even if sony ericson dismiss it for now,it could hurt further sales.
augie7107 said:
In my opinion, being a SE dedicated user since my K790, SE will give us a few updates including 2.1 but that will do it for this device.
2.2 (or 2.4, whatever) will be released on the X11 or whatever the next Xperia Android device is.
The reason is new business along with SE's continual use of a custom UI over a standard OS.
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I agree; it's not as if SE spent all the time and manpower to build their UI for just one device.. X10 is their first dip in the pool, and the loyal fans are sadly being taken for a ride through this experiment.. and their next Android device will (hopefully!) learn from the shortcomings of the X10.
I'll probably get an X10 if it's rooted, but let's be honest, that seems pretty unlikely. I might go for a Nexus One if it gets cheap in a few months. (my options are limited since I need the 1700 AWS band for 3G to work on T-Mobile US)
Do you guys really think SE is going to care if there's a petition out there? They've got their own slow and puzzling way of doing things and show no signs of changing.
I think mass emails would best. Someone needs to write a letter and then we can copy it and all send it to sony.
Whilst the idea of a petition is good and constructive, i doubt it will make very little difference.
SE are already aware of how important the latest version of the Android OS is to its X10 customers.
They have an official blog which was designed to communicate with and to receive feedback from it's customers.
From the begining customers were campaigning for mulitouch and 2.1.
Infact potentials customer were campaigning for 2.1 before release (whilst the official release was delayed)
Since the announcement about 2.1 in Q4. All the customers on that blog are also campaigning for 2.2.
I think their problems are with the integration of the UX(Time and MediaScape) with android (which caused the original delayed release).
Funny thing for me is i'd rather take the new OS updates over their UX.
honestly, i think the UX is a piece of crap, i never use it.
Just wait till you can root it and have 2.2 on it, just a waist of energy doing a petition to se....
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The UI doesn't even seem all that customized. What? The timescape as the home interface was a UI? Looks like a freaking app to me.
X10 has one of the best hardware you can ask for the moment. But no software to take advantage of the hardware just isn't right. Q4 for a 2.1 update?
Please, 2.2 is out already.
SE already lost me. My N1 is coming on Tuesday. And with 2.2 out, x10 will probably hit ebay soon or after a 2.1 update. Unless SE grows a pair and hand us 2.2 like in one month.
I hate to rag on the x10 but the phone was just not what I had expected and I ask myself, I wait for this phone?
4 inch screen won't mean jack when a 3.7 inch can view flash videos. And so far we don't even know if SE will even hand us 2.2. And that's the sad part.
SE screwed this phone. They shouldn't have gone with custom UI. It is laggy even with the best hardware available. Horrendous.
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OMG !!!
2.2 update for N1 is already being pushed over the air......
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Omg… please upgrade to 2.2. Even G1 works better with Froyo. Why are we the lowest of the low? I think there are many people very disappointed.
SE needs to clear this up soon. Why would anyone buy an X10 now?
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Omg… please upgrade to 2.2. Even G1 works better with Froyo. Why are we the lowest of the low? I think there are many people very disappointed.
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any device with root is better than x10 , let's support root team because with root ,there will not be any problem at all
If timescape and mediascape were a mind bogglingy good interface that is integrated perfectly into the main UI I would say "fine. I can see why they are being a bit slow about it", but for crying out loud, they are just a couple of apps that belong in the damn market place.
I decieded to go ahead and make the petition,might be for nothing but hey why not.i just need your help to corect my statement and improve it if you fell like it,thats the text i wrote for the petition.
We would like to suggest a path for the future development of the Sony Ericsson (Xperia X10, Xperia X10 mini and Xperia X10 mini pro)
Some recent development on the Android platform, have made the current OS software 1.6 outdated. Most of the current product sold by your competitor are currently running on 2.1 and some already getting the new OS software 2.2.
The OS software version 2.1 have been announced for the end of the current year to be available on your Xperia x10 line, but that update will still put your product behind the competition since even older device will be running OS software 2.2 at that time.
The hardware specification of the X10 line is quite impressive and should in theory be able to be quite competitive. Sadly the hardware is extremely limited by the software ,preventing us the user to use the full capacity of your device and make most of the application available for Android impossible to use ,since they need the version 2.1.
Wireless technology is an integral part of everyday life and we has customer or future customer would like to request the new Android OS version 2.2 to be implemented instead of the 2.1.
We believe it would serve Sony Ericsson interest as well, making your product competitive and expend your user base. As you know the Android platform is rapidly growing and update is the key of that success.
We hope you will understand our concern and demand.
It's obvious we have to make a sound to sony ericsson. They need to know what customers want and at least try to give them what they want. I don't have my x10 yet, but I will be buying it next week.
I've already checked out timescape, it is essentially an Application, with customized libraries and a plugin manager etc. In fact there are 3 different apps voor timescape present in the system. They use SE's self designed libraries and SE's self designed permissions. These libraries and permission are present in the x10 system software.
And I'm not a good programmer, just a n00b, but I don't know if anyone would be able to port these libraries and permissions in let's just say an app. If this is not possible then SE will always need to customize the Android system with it's own UI before handing the update to end-users.
Cnrl said:
I decieded to go ahead and make the petition,might be for nothing but hey why not.i just need your help to corect my statement and improve it if you fell like it,thats the text i wrote for the petition.
We would like to suggest a path for the future development of the Sony Ericsson (Xperia X10, Xperia X10 mini and Xperia X10 mini pro)
Some recent development on the Android platform, have made the current OS software 1.6 outdated. Most of the current product sold by your competitors are currently running on 2.1 and some already getting the new OS software 2.2.
The OS software version 2.1 have been announced for the end of the current year to be available on your Xperia x10 line, but that update will still put your product behind the competition since even older device will be running OS software 2.2 at that time.
The hardware specification of the X10 line is quite impressive and should in theory be able to be quite competitive. Sadly the hardware is extremely limited by the software ,preventing us the user to use the full capacity of your device and make most of the application available for Android impossible to use ,since they need the version 2.1.
Wireless technology is an integral part of everyday life and we has customer or future customer would like to request the new Android OS version 2.2 to be implemented instead of the 2.1.
We believe it would serve Sony Ericsson interest as well, making your product competitive and expend your user base. As you know the Android platform is rapidly growing and update is the key of that success.
We hope you will understand our concern and demand.
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Ive tweaked the wording a little bit.
We would like to suggest a path for the future development of the Sony Ericsson (Xperia X10, Xperia X10 mini and Xperia X10 mini pro)
Some recent developments on the Android platform have made the current OS software 1.6 outdated. Most of the current products sold by your competitors (e.g HTC, Motorola and Samsung) are currently running on 2.1 and some are already getting the new OS software 2.2.
The OS software version 2.1 has been announced for the end of the current year to be available on your Xperia x10 line, but the 2.1 update will still put your product behind the competition since even older devices will be running OS software 2.2 at that time.
The hardware specification of the X10 line is clearly impressive and should in theory be able to be quite competitive. Sadly, the hardware is extremely limited by the software, preventing us users from being able to utilise the full capacity of your device. Furthermore we are unable to make most of the applications available to Android users, since the minimum requirement for many applications is version 2.1.
Wireless technology is an integral part of everyday life and we as the consumer would like to request the new Android OS version 2.2 to be implemented instead of the 2.1.
We believe it would serve Sony Ericsson's interest as well, making your product competitive and expend your user base. As you know the Android platform is rapidly growing and update is the key of that success.
We hope you will understand our concern and deman
Thanks I just created it and created a post dedicated to it lets hope it work .
http://www.petitiononline.com/froyo/petition.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=686616
Thanks
Petition signed
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Any news about new updates/apps/panels etc ?
Things i would like to see:
1- specialized UI for Xperia made by SE. Most WM phones got one, why not Xperia?
Media Panel looks really nice, why not expand that into a complete UI skin ?
2- youtube panel
3- faster panel switching time. Currently its good and fast, but we still need it to be faster....
What do you guys think ?
very annoying and I'm beginning to get very envious of those with iphones
its a waste of time checking for new panels on the SE site.
why are independent developers not producing any to purchase?
When a firmware update will be available?
ijob said:
why are independent developers not producing any to purchase?
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'coz panel are limited to xperia users as panels interface goues officially only on x1
and panels sucks imho
Well, the guy who bought the first fax machine was a complete idiot. Because there was no one to fax to.
Or remember at the end of the 90? When no one was willing to buy a DVD-Player because there were only around 5 Movies on DVD (which we already had on CD-i ;-) ) and the film studios didn't want to release DVDs because no one had got a DVD-Player?
With the panels and the Xperia X1 it's a bit similar - it will take some time, until creative and talented developers have got a X1 for their own.
im REALLY hoping for a YouTube panel.
any progammer with a lot of spare time??
i like panels there is a free sdk so everybody can make whatever they want
if they got the skills
of cause compared to iphone there is no central place to check and access them
but looking at the very closed way apple handle it and non disclosure agreement apple handle
it developers are not even allowed to talk with each-other
and they have to pay apple to get apps in the store
and apps can only be developed on a mac not a windows or linux computer
i pity iphone developers really
but granted it's bad news for other wm phone owners if programs are only made as panels and not as programs they can use
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When a firmware update will be available?
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Its very frustrating that the Omnia, HD Touch, etc. all already have had firmware updates/upgrades/improvements, yet our Xperia is STILL on the original version.
Is this actually what we should expect from SE, because it is actually HTC producing the phone, but HTC cannot directly release a firmware (even if they know about problems)? I would presume HTC is the one that is handling the firmware, and SE is simply adding their panels, so any firmware updates should come from HTC then re-badged and renamed as an "SE" firmware update?
If that is the case, what is SE's track record of releasing firmwares? In fact, do you think SE has to PAY for each firmware update to HTC? Maybe we shouldn't even expect any firmware updates because of this?!
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very annoying and I'm beginning to get very envious of those with iphones
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Believe me... Xperia is a far better device than the iPhone. iPhone was a breakthrough device, sure, but Xperia is more powerful. (I have been using an iPhone 1st Gen since it was released, and have literally not touched it since i got my Xperia)
Sure iPhone has a lot of stuff out for it... but you can't compare panels to iPhone's apps and games... panels are something different. If you wanna talk about games and apps, then more and more windows mobile apps and games are starting to support the Xperia/Touch-HD resolution and so we'll see more soon.
What are you cruying for? The other companies had to give fast updates because of the bad first ROM. SE made the best ROM I have ever seen at a PPC. It is the most stable PPC I ever had and even with this first ROM. Not to believe! What to wish more? The more time to wait for the x1 was good used by SE
There seem to be only a very few very small issues (as bluetooth disconnecting at some devices, I am lucky not to have this problem till now) and I am sure there will be an update for them.
Well lets hope that sonyericsson does not treat this platform the same way they treated uiq.. Uiq is more or less dead today.. Had an m600 from se,uppgraded with their very latest (and last)firmware and still buggy like hell..
Hopefully we can get a firmware update with:
a) IE 6
b) faster panel switching
As far as the panels are concerned, SE is going to have to make XPERIA a brand before we start seeing more and more panels created. It's like the whole chicken and the egg thing, but the ball is really in SE's court.
I downloaded and looked at the SDK last night, looked alright. I bet developers are waiting to see how committed SE is to the XPERIA brand.
pf said:
What are you cruying for? The other companies had to give fast updates because of the bad first ROM. SE made the best ROM I have ever seen at a PPC. It is the most stable PPC I ever had and even with this first ROM. Not to believe! What to wish more? The more time to wait for the x1 was good used by SE
There seem to be only a very few very small issues (as bluetooth disconnecting at some devices, I am lucky not to have this problem till now) and I am sure there will be an update for them.
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i'm agree with pf. i used htc phones like elf, nike, kaiser even the blackstone
but xperia was the fastest and stable, the keyboard responds fast not like the kaiser. when you use tf3d its responds faster than the diamond. there are little things but which phone is perfect??
i have no issue with the rom. i have everything original don't need to tweak anything causes only crashes.
johnchan78 said:
Its very frustrating that the Omnia, HD Touch, etc. all already have had firmware updates/upgrades/improvements, yet our Xperia is STILL on the original version.
Is this actually what we should expect from SE, because it is actually HTC producing the phone, but HTC cannot directly release a firmware (even if they know about problems)? I would presume HTC is the one that is handling the firmware, and SE is simply adding their panels, so any firmware updates should come from HTC then re-badged and renamed as an "SE" firmware update?
If that is the case, what is SE's track record of releasing firmwares? In fact, do you think SE has to PAY for each firmware update to HTC? Maybe we shouldn't even expect any firmware updates because of this?!
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I dont know about the whole "SE buying updates from HTC" but I can tell you that at least here in Sweden a firmware update is imminent. The actual update is done and is now being evaluated by the operators before release.
Oh, and about SEs track record for updates... its never been very good.
Golgo said:
I dont know about the whole "SE buying updates from HTC" but I can tell you that at least here in Sweden a firmware update is imminent. The actual update is done and is now being evaluated by the operators before release.
Oh, and about SEs track record for updates... its never been very good.
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Wait a sec. If there is an update that you have heard of? please share it!
Honestly the main thing i would like to see in X1 is an UI shell similar to HTC or Omnia. I know SE love to have their phones with top of the line UIs. But with X1, they did nothing..... beside a nice looking media panel.
About the app store, i think i have heard that MS is working on an app store when they release WM 6.5/7 will be similar to what iphone app store.
Youtube
Here is the Youtube Panel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462595
rotsu said:
Wait a sec. If there is an update that you have heard of? please share it!
Honestly the main thing i would like to see in X1 is an UI shell similar to HTC or Omnia. I know SE love to have their phones with top of the line UIs. But with X1, they did nothing..... beside a nice looking media panel.
About the app store, i think i have heard that MS is working on an app store when they release WM 6.5/7 will be similar to what iphone app store.
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Woo yes do tell us about the updated Xperia firmware that is coming... anything would be good!!!
johnchan78 said:
Woo yes do tell us about the updated Xperia firmware that is coming... anything would be good!!!
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Sorry, I have no information regarding what's actually in this update. I only know this because that's what SE support have told me in an email reply.
Truthfully though, I wouldn't put too much faith into what SE support says. I talked to them about another matter about a month ago adn was promised that a fw update would come out "any day now, at the latest two weeks before xmas"... nah, don't think so
is it likely that the htc magic (vodafone UK) will get an update to Eclair? i know networks are usually not interested in a phone about 1-2 years after its release, hopefully things will be different with android and they will take an example from the iphone which is still getting updated, and not follow what they did with WM6.5 not being released for devices with capable hardware. otherwise having a single platform multiple device strategy may turn out to be androids weak point. people expect more these days thanks to apple, hopefully some networks will realise they can't get away with laziness.
i dont have a current preference between iphone and android, i think they are both equally weak, i believe WM is still better than both function-wise. maybe not as nice-looking and finger friendly yet, but there are too many things i can't do on android/iphone that i can do easily on WM. android has the most potential though i think.
I guess that if it isn't official then you'll be able to get an update from here.
Can't agree with the WM is better than Android statement. IMO Android is far, far ahead of WM and that is coming from a big WM fan who has had the HTC Prophet, Exec, Tytn II and Xperia and with all of the handsets the problem has always been the OS.
I agree, I went from a HTC Touch to a HTC Magic and Android is far and way superior to WM.
Most apps can be found in the market to do whatever you want.
Games are better on the iPhone though ...
WinMo? lol every time I pick up my dash or my daughters shadow its like going back from windows xp to windows 98. Android is far superior to winmo and way more stable, Ive gone through pleny of win phones going back 5 years. I can't imagine going back, android spoiled me, no more missed calls and battery pulls .
btw, what can WM do that Android can't?
I'm mostly sure the magic should get the eclair update, but it really all comes down to your carrier, if vodafone wants to, they'll push out the update and about devices that will stop getting updates, that'll probably happen with android.
Since android is spreading out onto a lot of devices, you'll eventually have obsolete android devices.
The reason the iphone is still being updated is because it's the only one of its kind, and when i say that i mean apple only has to concentrate on one phone.
warsng said:
is it likely that the htc magic (vodafone UK) will get an update to Eclair? i know networks are usually not interested in a phone about 1-2 years after its release, hopefully things will be different with android and they will take an example from the iphone which is still getting updated, and not follow what they did with WM6.5 not being released for devices with capable hardware. otherwise having a single platform multiple device strategy may turn out to be androids weak point. people expect more these days thanks to apple, hopefully some networks will realise they can't get away with laziness.
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if i am not mistaken the magic is just about half a year old. so if 2.0 comes this or next year i am pretty sure some provider throws an update over the air to the magic...
phatmanxxl said:
btw, what can WM do that Android can't?
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i didnt want this to turn into a WM v android fight because i am a fanboy of neither (no time for fanboyism), i just want a good stable functional phone, and neither are there yet. WM is the furthest, but yes i am sure android will overtake very soon.
but since you ask:
fully free-to-use version of skype on 3, which actually *works* unlike the shoddy android version. (there used to an iskoot client for android, dont know why it disappeared???)
decent phone-based version of tomtom.
decent voice activation, have not really tried androids because i like the wm version so much.
straightforward tethering with activesync (tried htc sync, and it did not even load up, will have to try it again for my magic, not looking forward to it though)
built-in office
use of the stylus is still (and probably always will be) more accurate than the capacitive screen + finger.
in the end, what phone you prefer is subjective, as everyones needs are different. technically android may be slightly superior but i wouldnt need to keep a WM phone if there werent gaps in functionality, but i am in favour of the whole linux philosophy, and for that reason probably would have dumped WM earlier if not for the reasons i have mentioned. obviously there is a lot of suck there, but i can just about live with it until android is definitely in the lead as far as functions and usability is concerned
Anartic said:
I'm mostly sure the magic should get the eclair update, but it really all comes down to your carrier, if vodafone wants to, they'll push out the update and about devices that will stop getting updates, that'll probably happen with android.
Since android is spreading out onto a lot of devices, you'll eventually have obsolete android devices.
The reason the iphone is still being updated is because it's the only one of its kind, and when i say that i mean apple only has to concentrate on one phone.
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sadly i feel youre right about the obsolesence, and yes that is the iphones great strength. remains to be seen what will turn out the superior platform in future. apple must have realised what a threat android is by now, and i doubt they will leave the iphone in its current ****ty state. competition is good for us in the end. clearly, begun, the phone wars have.
Hi,
as I don't know anything about ROM-development I wanted to ask how difficult it would be to flash just a native Android 2.1 (Custom-) ROM on the phone. Is there a lot of modding to be done or is it no big thing.
UX sure is nice but I suppose plain 2.1 would be a lot faster. Maybe with Mediascape on top..
I don't want to wait until the official update in something like Q3..
I believe that you have to root the device first.
After that you can do almost everything you want with the monster named X10.
My guess would be vanilla 2.1 is the first major happening after the root. Not ready to give up on timescape/mediascape just yet. They are both developer extensible and I have a feeling that the smart guys around here are going to figure out some nifty uses. Interesting times if this device sees some support.
krabman said:
Interesting times if this device sees some support.
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I am sure it will. It is very promising, unlike the X2....
krabman said:
My guess would be vanilla 2.1 is the first major happening after the root. Not ready to give up on timescape/mediascape just yet. They are both developer extensible and I have a feeling that the smart guys around here are going to figure out some nifty uses. Interesting times if this device sees some support.
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I'd love to see a timescape/mediascape UI ROM for other Android phones.
Heck, I'd love to see the whole UI on another phone. I'm curious to see how it'll work. Specifically seeing as how the X10 won't be supporting multi-touch (as I hear it's a hardware issue as well as software), it'll be interesting to see the UI on a phone that supports multi-touch.
PacoL250 said:
I'd love to see a timescape/mediascape UI ROM for other Android phones.
Heck, I'd love to see the whole UI on another phone. I'm curious to see how it'll work. Specifically seeing as how the X10 won't be supporting multi-touch (as I hear it's a hardware issue as well as software), it'll be interesting to see the UI on a phone that supports multi-touch.
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i wonder how the nexus1 would look with it running
PacoL250 said:
I'd love to see a timescape/mediascape UI ROM for other Android phones.
Heck, I'd love to see the whole UI on another phone. I'm curious to see how it'll work. Specifically seeing as how the X10 won't be supporting multi-touch (as I hear it's a hardware issue as well as software), it'll be interesting to see the UI on a phone that supports multi-touch.
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X10 will support multi-touch!
MCoimbra said:
X10 will support multi-touch!
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I've heard that also.
When it comes to software issues... it can be fixed..
But I think that I heard that it was possible a month ago.
I guess that we will just have to wait and see, if it is possible or not.
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X10 will support multi-touch!
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ukon said:
I've heard that also.
When it comes to software issues... it can be fixed..
But I think that I heard that it was possible a month ago.
I guess that we will just have to wait and see, if it is possible or not.
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Ahem...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653536
Here's an email i've got in modaco foruns:
Yesterday I sent an email to Sony Ericsson asking them to confirm specs features of their X10 handset. This is what I received.
Dear ******,
Thank you for contacting the Sony Ericsson support centre.
I have complied some answers to the questions that you have raised, please see below:
#1 Does the device itself support multi touch? I am aware that the the
current OS Android 1.6 does not.
The handset has a capacitive screen that is capable of multi touch for features such as pinch zooming. This feature will be implemented by the upgrade to 2.1
#2 Does the device have an internal digital compass which would show
direction in google maps?
The X10 does have a magnetometer that acts as a digital compass.
#3 Will android 2.1+ be coming to the Xperia x10 in 2010?
The handset has been confirmed to be upgraded to 2.1, however there are no time scales for this, developement is currently working on implementing the Timescape/Mediascape to 2.1.
Should you have any further questions do not hesitate to ask.
Kind Regards,
Paul Conlan
Sony Ericsson Technical Support
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Has anyone tried to include the apks from the SDK addon in another ROM? Maybe I'm too naive, but it should be possible, shouldn't it? When you extract the system.img, there are several apks and most of them have the X10 icons.
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/c...263202126/102216-XPERIA-X10_SDK_Add-on_r1.zip
The Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 add-on for the Android SDK includes the complete Android system with additions customizing it for the X10 : Sony Ericsson splash screen; X10 colour backgrounds; A "skin" of the X10 which is a simple graphic of the front of the phone; A hardware.ini file to set the operating parameters for screen, camera, audio and so on.
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Here's an email i've got in modaco foruns:
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W00T~!!! Sounds good.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/28/xperia-x10-multitouch-issue-hardware-related/
Bad news folks.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/28/xperia-x10-multitouch-issue-hardware-related/
Bad news folks.
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TBH, it doesnt really bother me.
Cant say I miss pinch to zoom on my X1 when coming across from my iPod.
I just double tap
Engadget is just passing on the word from the official blog that everyone is already talking about, it isnt from another source.
sounds great!!
I would also like to have plain 2.1
Just waiting root access
When it comes to multi-touch, I trust the fact that it will be supported come the 2.1 update. I hardly doubt Sony Ericsson would create a phone of this caliber without that capability.
That's why my XPERIA is going to sit on my desk, neatly packaged in its box... until 2.1 and root happens. My Nexus One is happy to get more playing time.
uultramann said:
When it comes to multi-touch, I trust the fact that it will be supported come the 2.1 update. I hardly doubt Sony Ericsson would create a phone of this caliber without that capability.
That's why my XPERIA is going to sit on my desk, neatly packaged in its box... until 2.1 and root happens. My Nexus One is happy to get more playing time.
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Hope you are correct
But I dont think you are! SE were to cheap and they were not supposed to upgrade to 2.1, but then all their competitors did and they did not have a choice.
(I think)
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When it comes to multi-touch, I trust the fact that it will be supported come the 2.1 update. I hardly doubt Sony Ericsson would create a phone of this caliber without that capability.
That's why my XPERIA is going to sit on my desk, neatly packaged in its box... until 2.1 and root happens. My Nexus One is happy to get more playing time.
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It'll be sitting there forever then.
Sumit Malhotra confirms no MT on X10
Here's what he said:
Back in November, I posted that X10 will not support multi touch functionality at launch, but will be considered for the future. I can appreciate that even though there wasn´t a commitment, such wording both creates expectations (small or big) on future support and implies restrictions on software side.
That is the information I had in hand at that point of time. I am well aware that you rate multi touch functionality very high and therefore I regret to inform you that X10 screen hardware does not register simultaneous entries. Meaning even though we will upgrade the underlying operating system in relation to upgrading our user experience layer, X10 will not support multi touch functionality. We believe that it is important for you who follow this blog to be clear on that, which is the reason why I want to confirm Rikard’s comment.
We are working on alternative solutions for certain use cases, like zooming. I will share more details about that initiative once confirmed.
Due to vendor understanding and agreements, we don´t discuss in detail regarding hardware specifications. Having said that, X10 is upgradable and as earlier described there will be significant value offered through upgrades. X10 is about to reach stores and early consumer feedback is very positive, also highlighting room for improvement which we will share in due time.
Regards,
Sumit
Hi to everyone on this forum,
I'm here to ask for help!
I'm a Motorola Cliq owner, it's called Dext here in UK. Basically Orange reduced this phone in UK and it's selling like hot cakes and I'm sure it sells decent around the globe. It’s a mid-range phone with physical qwerty keyboard.
It uses the Android 1.5 version! Even though it's only 8 months old Motorola are refusing to confirm the Android 2.1 Eclair update. Here is the official Motorola forum where there are many complaints from us customers wanting the 2.1 update. Read on after the first couple of pages to see the complaints: [turns out I can't post links because I'm new, you can go to Motorola support pages and click on Motorola Cliq to see]
I'd like to know if you can help us out since you're such a kind community! Can you help us root this phone and put the Android 2.1 or even the 2.2 update to it when the Manufacturer (Motorola) and network carriers (Orange) are letting us down? Much appreciated. Mani.
Edit: Motorola have locked the official support thread because of the complaints about it! You can still view the thread though.
Hi, there is no release date for 2.1 on Dext (this means Cliq outside US), on the other hand there is release date for 2.1 on Cliq, that is Q2 2010 (from what I recall).
So far for US Cliq there's a 1.4.8 radio release and I think in UK there is only 1.3.20, so latest releases are not compatible, however you can root your phone with a compatible version and look for a custom ROM (like Handler's that include flash!!).
Take a look at this forum, it's for CLIQ/Dext and there is a lot of info.
http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=399
Thanks cortinag but that Website is pointless for getting a newer version of Android, it only seems to have firmwares from other countries...
Can anyone please tell me the difficulties of porting the Android 2.2 Froyo to the Motorola Cliq/Dext? I'd like to know this since it uses quite a popular CPU and has a good amount of ROM and RAM. This should mean porting is made easier right?
You can see the spec below:
Qualcomm MSM7201A 528 MHz processor
1 GB storage, 256MB RAM, 512MB ROM
There is no theoretical problem getting 2.1 on the dext. However, you'd probably have more luck getting 1.6 running as there's more of a chance backporting the 1.5 drivers for the phone's hardware (cpu is just one component); at least you'd get 2X as many apps available in andro store. A good starting point would be one of the CM roms. The phones are relatively easy to root, instructions @ unlocker. Only unusual feature is with motoblur hooking quite deep into the system, tbh, I'd love a blur free rom for the dext/cliq. Blur is just memory hogging garbage imho. Our biggest problem is that until one of the Devs purchases a dext/cliq (unlikely now as it is pretty much obsolete and you can get a much better phone for the money) there's no one to develop the ROM.
The small business I manage IT for has 2 WinMo, 6 iPhones and 5 androids, one of them a Dext. The obsolete os on it has been a pita for me ever since our marketer came back from UK with one. Moto doesn't look like they are going to upgrade it, none of the blur phones look likely to; they just push the dates back and back, stonewalling on the forums. Our employee has chosen to switch to an iPhone. Sweet, makes my life easier; another person turned off Android by Motorola's arse-hattery.
consolation said:
There is no theoretical problem getting 2.1 on the dext. However, you'd probably have more luck getting 1.6 running as there's more of a chance backporting the 1.5 drivers for the phone's hardware (cpu is just one component); at least you'd get 2X as many apps available in andro store. A good starting point would be one of the CM roms. The phones are relatively easy to root, instructions @ unlocker. Only unusual feature is with motoblur hooking quite deep into the system, tbh, I'd love a blur free rom for the dext/cliq. Blur is just memory hogging garbage imho. Our biggest problem is that until one of the Devs purchases a dext/cliq (unlikely now as it is pretty much obsolete and you can get a much better phone for the money) there's no one to develop the ROM.
The small business I manage IT for has 2 WinMo, 6 iPhones and 5 androids, one of them a Dext. The obsolete os on it has been a pita for me ever since our marketer came back from UK with one. Moto doesn't look like they are going to upgrade it, none of the blur phones look likely to; they just push the dates back and back, stonewalling on the forums. Our employee has chosen to switch to an iPhone. Sweet, makes my life easier; another person turned off Android by Motorola's arse-hattery.
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Wow. Perfect and well-informed answer/advice. Although not pertinent to me, I must say thank you for taking the time out to help people who are new to this or just learning.
There is one tool called Scout by gsmserver.com I have used it in the USA and flashed my cliq to the 2.1 works flawless and with more features notebly free FM Radio, activating your cliq with out the carrier internet service - awesome
I recently asked Sony Ericsson for an Xperia X8 2.2 an official update, I was not expecting a reply but they did.
Thank you for contacting the Sony Ericsson support centre.
We can advise the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mini, Mini Pro and X8 were all tested on Android 2.2 but did not improve the handset but rather diminished it as it started to run slower and crashed frequently which will not have improved the user experience.
The decision was then made to keep these handsets on Android 2.1 as they were originally designed to go up to Android 2.1 and no further, however as Android 2.2 was requested by our users the handset was tested.
Once we were able to update the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 to Android 2.3 we then also tested the Xperia X10 Mini, Mini Pro and X8 with this Android platform, however it again diminished the handset.
Sony Ericsson decided to keep these handsets on Android 2.1 so the handset would perform at its highest. As advised we will continue to release system updates for the handset to try and improve it as much as possible, however this will not be performed by updating the Operating System to Android 2.2 or 2.3.
We can only apologise for the inconvenience caused and will ensure your feedback is passed on to the relevant department to be looked into.
For further information on Sony Ericsson products, services and support please visit sonyericsson.com.
Should you require any further assistance then please do not hesitate to respond to this email or call our customer support on 08705 237 237.
Kind Regards,
Louis Gray
Sony Ericsson UK Customer Services
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Hmmmm..........I'm pretty sure the custom made by devs don't crash I'm guessing they can't be bothered.
The reason is simple: they don't want to upgrade OS for us because that upgrade doesn't bring them profit.
It (the above reply) is just a way to fool noob users to stay with 2.1 happily.
doixanh said:
The reason is simple: they don't want to upgrade OS for us because that upgrade doesn't bring them profit.
It (the above reply) is just a way to fool noob users to stay with 2.1 happily.
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TRUE!
Please someone who knows english flawlessly reply to SE:
If you found out 2.2 is diminishing the phone, then why does the ported 2.2 (2.3)
ROMs faster, than the original SE 2.1 soft with X8?
P.S.: If you need good programmers, browse at XDA...
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Wonder what will be the answer (if there is any...).
Edit.: worlds biggest Troll is clearly SE
ozzygang said:
I recently asked Sony Ericsson for an Xperia X8 2.2 an official update, I was not expecting a reply but they did.
Hmmmm..........I'm pretty sure the custom made by devs don't crash I'm guessing they can't be bothered.
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Haha... you ask to low.., why dont you asking honeycomb for x8.. ..
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Asycid said:
Please someone who knows english flawlessly reply to SE:
If you found out 2.2 is diminishing the phone, then why does the ported 2.2 (2.3)
ROMs faster, than the original SE 2.1 soft with X8?
P.S.: If you need good programmers, browse at XDA...
Wonder what will be the answer (if there is any...).
Edit.: worlds biggest Troll is clearly SE
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..but are they stable enough for everyday use as the stock one?
account1 said:
..but are they stable enough for everyday use as the stock one?
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More stable than stock
Try elelinux or rachts floyo
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Why don't you reply to them? Attach links to custom roms including 2.2 and 2.3 on this forum and ask if they are idiots or they have idiot developers? Ask exacley what they tested, what doesn't work, what exacley what is slow, ask when they are planinig updates, what kind of updates...
Be stupid and BOTHER THEM with question =)
If few individuals can make [email protected], I still wounder how big companie such as SE can't do it.
I agree with post above > no money -no new android. So much for customer service.
I'm guessing i won't be buying another SE anytime soon, aldough I realy liked the brand.
Yeah, android 2.2 and 2.3 used to crash on X8's stock kernel. If they modified the kernel for the newer version of android it would have stopped crashing. But I guess they took a look at it, decided it's too much of a work for them, and dumped the project in order to focus on newer phones
As for slowing down - if drivers were meant for 2.1 of course it slowed down. If they made a proper 2.3 update for X8 it would run smooth as baby's ass.
Bullshitters.
i have a bit....
we all know hardware of W8 is the same of X8
after coming update 2.2 or 2.3 for W8 (not our X8) send them this request with this silly answer
when they say again :
we then also tested the Xperia X10 Mini, Mini Pro and X8 with this Android platform, however it again diminished the handset.
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then tell them f**ck u SE
Can anybody give me an e-mail adress where I can "complain"?
X1111 said:
after coming update 2.2 or 2.3 for W8 (not our X8)
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I don't think SE will update W8
Where did u get this info?
Dare-Devil Inside said:
I don't think SE will update W8
Where did u get this info?
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i don't remember clearly ,maybe only hear it ,maybe a fake news
Well custom rom with 2.2 works great so dont belive them
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sony ericsson
sony ericsson just want us to buy new phones. why can a cutom rom handle 2.2/2.3? SE is stupid
oh my
I think that don't want update the android version .. Simple =/
hi
Fo r me they won't do it because tmost of the people now are practical if they upgrade the
phones with cheaper value the sales of phones with cheaper value will increase but the phone with higher value will decrease in sales
doixanh said:
The reason is simple: they don't want to upgrade OS for us because that upgrade doesn't bring them profit.
It (the above reply) is just a way to fool noob users to stay with 2.1 happily.
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Very True. Now we have ICS running very smooth.
I think the 2.2 roms that are running smooth here, are because they have no additional software running in the background. If you have SE software running in the background and SE apps installed, of course it will be slow.