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X1 WM6.5 / 7 Update

Hi Guys
New to this and have to say what a forum but can anyone answer this little pain in the **** Q. Will we be able to update to wm6.5 or 7 as its making me think twice about getting my X1 when O2 finaly re stock. The last thing I need i a 18mth contract on a out of date phone........
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6.5 might but SE is known for not releasing updated OS's for their phones. You can probably get it with a cooked ROM. 7 will be a no-no, as it will mostly require an accelerometer in the phone.

I doubt you'll be able to upgrade to 7 if it needs multitouch screen, but can't see why 6.5 would be a problem unless that also needs it..
18months, wm7 might be released by then, but is it really likely?

looks like IE6 is a no go so I am realy starting to wonder if we will see a 6.5 update would i be better off with a HTC touch HD?

sonystu said:
looks like IE6 is a no go so I am realy starting to wonder if we will see a 6.5 update would i be better off with a HTC touch HD?
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Why is it?
theres an early build of IE6 out there, it needs to be cooked into a rom.
A couple of other older devices already have roms released with IE6 in them, the HD and the xperia have pretty much the same internals.

Looking to upgrade to Internet Explorer 6 Mobile (also known as Pocket Internet Explorer 6 or PIE 6) for Windows Mobile? Well, get a new handset! Microsoft is taking a stance that the new browser will require more advanced hardware according to Pocket PC Thoughts.
"Regarding making IE Mobile available as a separate download or update, the rich media experiences that IE Mobile 6 enables require more powerful, advanced devices. That is why it will not be available as an upgrade or direct download for current phones, but rather will be made available on new phones."
So there you have it. No separate installer, no IE 6 Mobile cab installer, and no "updates" pushed out through HTC, AT&T, Verizon, or whatever carrier you have. Microsoft and its partners want you to purchase new phones to support these new "rich media experiences" promised by the new browser.
Looks like some ROM cooking is going to be needed.........

sonystu said:
Looking to upgrade to Internet Explorer 6 Mobile (also known as Pocket Internet Explorer 6 or PIE 6) for Windows Mobile? Well, get a new handset! Microsoft is taking a stance that the new browser will require more advanced hardware according to Pocket PC Thoughts.
"Regarding making IE Mobile available as a separate download or update, the rich media experiences that IE Mobile 6 enables require more powerful, advanced devices. That is why it will not be available as an upgrade or direct download for current phones, but rather will be made available on new phones."
So there you have it. No separate installer, no IE 6 Mobile cab installer, and no "updates" pushed out through HTC, AT&T, Verizon, or whatever carrier you have. Microsoft and its partners want you to purchase new phones to support these new "rich media experiences" promised by the new browser.
Looks like some ROM cooking is going to be needed.........
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nothing new there, doesn't mean you need a new phone, just the usual MS drivel...
Michyprima has it working on the Athena, which is nearly 2 years old, so I can't see it being a problem on the X1 which is a lot more powerful.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411371
here's the discussion thread, there's some cabs linked
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444882
Of course fennec will be out in (beta at least) soon, and if it works as well as it's fullblown sibling IE6 will become increasingly irrelevant.

Can some one help me out with understanding windows 7 mobile please?
how can it be multitouch?
i thought that apple had a patent that said they have the rights to a multi touch devices?
or is that just for a limited ammount of time?
why shouldnt the x1 be capable of multitouch too?

I think the real one to worry about is 6.5 as 7 looks like 2010 from what i can make out 7 needs a G sensor and the x1 has not got one.... I am starting to think this phone is out dated as it should have come out in feb...... As for the iphone well i dont think they have any rights to a screen.

An HP tablet with multi-touch was announced the other day so I don't think Apple have exclusive rights to it...

wm7 will come in many diffrent versions.
Ppl are claiming stuff in this thread that has no root in reality.
Here is a nice rule for daily use:
"Stop commenting about what you dont know"
cheers

I got my info from Pocket PC so dont take it as the hole truth but really the only question i have is will we see the 6.5 update as lets face it come wm7 sony will be on the x8 or 9 i work for a sony dealer in the uk and we still dont know......

sonystu said:
I got my info from Pocket PC so dont take it as the hole truth but really the only question i have is will we see the 6.5 update as lets face it come wm7 sony will be on the x8 or 9 i work for a sony dealer in the uk and we still dont know......
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what sony do or dont, or htc for all that matters..dont really bother me.
But wm6.5 and 7 will come for different devices with different specs. And when it comes to porting over...duh...Its always said that it cant be done...
cheers

as great devices with wm7 gets out wm8 will haunt in the mists making people think if it's a good idear to buy those wm7 devices or if they should wait for the wm8 ones

Rudegar said:
as great devices with wm7 gets out wm8 will haunt in the mists making people think if it's a good idear to buy those wm7 devices or if they should wait for the wm8 ones
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lol, thats true. Thats how it always will be

Is there any reason to believe WM7 would actually improve on what the X1 is already running anyway?
Granted WM6 was a HUGE improvement over WM5 on my Wizard. But you cannot assume that the improvements will always be that noticable.

ok i think we all have some good points and yep lets face it you have got to jump in some time. Really i think the guys are going to stick with this and when need will get a wm6.5 rom up and running. So on that note its back to the O2 web site hitting refresh all day every day until its back in stock!! Anything has got to be better than my old N95 as i have had it from day 1...........

Alex Atkin UK said:
Is there any reason to believe WM7 would actually improve on what the X1 is already running anyway?
Granted WM6 was a HUGE improvement over WM5 on my Wizard. But you cannot assume that the improvements will always be that noticable.
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Tons of reason..****, even 6.5 promises to be a massive improvement. WM6 was built for PDAs using a stylus. 6.5 is likely going to be a completely revamped UI along with bug fixes and likely better memory management which is another thing that is a problem with WM6. Basically 6.5 will see vast improvement for touch screen using fingers and there should no longer be a need for a stylus. WM7 will be beyond this and offer new ways to control your device. Multiple input support not only using an accelerometer, but potentially built in cameras etc. WM7 is poised to be a major advancement in the way you interact with your hand held device.

mlinz said:
Tons of reason..****, even 6.5 promises to be a massive improvement. WM6 was built for PDAs using a stylus. 6.5 is likely going to be a completely revamped UI along with bug fixes and likely better memory management which is another thing that is a problem with WM6. Basically 6.5 will see vast improvement for touch screen using fingers and there should no longer be a need for a stylus. WM7 will be beyond this and offer new ways to control your device. Multiple input support not only using an accelerometer, but potentially built in cameras etc. WM7 is poised to be a major advancement in the way you interact with your hand held device.
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Source? or speculation

Now that 6.5 is out of beta and officially released, i wonder how long it takes before a non beta cooked 6.5 version comes out.... really hoping for that one hehe

I'm never getting a WinsMo or Xperia ever..

Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!

There's alot more to WM than meets the eye you know. The Xperia is hyped with the Panels in mind but it's certainly not the only feature there's alot more that can be done.
I, myself have removed the panels completely, I don't like them and never used them. I currently use the Panels button to open my comm manager so I can change what's on and what's not.
Have you installed any other software for you phone at all? Just a few interfaces to mention for instance:
TouchFlo
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Mobile Shell
Im sure there's more. The bottom two offer a heck of alot of customization for the "look" of your phone. Skins/Icons. You could have it looking like an iPhone if you wanted, or there abouts.
On top of that there's more programs that you can install than you can shake a stick at. It's much like a PC, the amount of things you can do with it is amazing.
I'll agree there are problems with the device, but the problem with the majority is they always look on the negatives and not the positives. Sometimes the phone is a bit hard to use and after showing a few friends of mine the phone, they have really liked it but I have had to put them off the phone because they without being rude don't have the knowledge to use the phone and be happy with it to it's fullest.
Windows Mobile really is what you make it, some like it, some hate it. It's not the greatest of operating systems for phones and it's probably one of the most hardest to use and learn, but the options you have are well worth the effort.

colourblind said:
Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!
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Congratulations, did you have to make a thread about it?

Nippero said:
Congratulations, did you have to make a thread about it?
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what's so wrong of posting it here? i think he has the rights to express his feelings.
mate, i hated windows mobile before! yes i did, even though i'm a microsoft "fan" but when i used my X1, i started customizing it in a way that really fits my needs, and now i'm using my phone as a computer which is always in my pocket!
you can find alot of cool stuff in the forum, customize your phone and play arround with it, change all default values (be careful not to change something that will make you hard reset, and always backup). Customize the phone, windows is the most flexible and customizable OS ever (sorry Linux fans).
let me know if you need any help

The thing that concerns ME is that SE and HTC have parted ways, and no longer co-operate.
That means the support level for our HTC-made Xperia X1's is going down the tubes. HTC is the one most likely responsible for firmware upgrades to their hardware, so now that SE and HTC no longer co-operate/partner I highly doubt HTC will be making any firmware updates for our phone.
Consider this... the HTC Touch HD has been released after the X1, yet has already receive one or two firmware updates by HTC to fix various issues. The X1 has received ZERO updates.
SE has basically decided to give up on the Xperia X1 from what we can see, since they moved to a new manufacturer.
Of course, this doesn't mean the great developers at XDA will not be coming out with home brew firmwares and fixes, but it does mean that official support from SE is probably going to be winding down and dying...
why else would a simple fix to the bluetooth problem (which MANY people here have found) is not being pushed out? Because SE doesn't want to pay HTC to release the firmware fix since they no longer co-operate.
Oh well. I hope to be proven wrong, but the fact HTC is pushing out firmware updates for all their devices but NOT the Xperia X1 (despite being released longer) confirms this.

colourblind said:
Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!
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U said it "seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!".
R U using it so you knew it is much more better ?

go buy a nokia s40 phone and then use your x1 again. let me know what you like more and would rather use.

I allways look at this that my new X1 is as a toy for Big boy.
Its all abaut somthing changing experimenting tweaking.
I like this .
or just buy nokia 6110 make call, recive call and sleep well in the nights.

I was always under the impression that this was a dsicussion forum for the understanding and development of a set of phones.
Unfortunately lately it's become an area for people with no understanding to moan.

johnchan78 said:
The thing that concerns ME is that SE and HTC have parted ways, and no longer co-operate.
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Eeek! That's news to me. I was planning on buying an X1 soon (read: early next month?), but now I'm going to have to reconsider after I send Sony a line of questions. If HTC isn't making the phone anymore, who is? Or is it simply going to go out of stock after the reserves sell?

johnchan78 said:
The thing that concerns ME is that SE and HTC have parted ways, and no longer co-operate.
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What a load of crap.
All we know is that HTC won't be building the X2 (or whatever they end up calling it) together. We don't even know what OS is going to run on it.
However it's SE responsibilty for the software, they are working on a new firmware, whether those on branded phone will see it depends on their networks (unless you do a DIY job).
And if SE do need help from HTC with some hardware issues, HTC will need to provided it, they will be under contract and most likely will want to build future models (X3).

HTC is not going to produce "next" Sony Ericsson phone.
HTC still produces XPERIA for Sony Ericcson.

kuraudo said:
Eeek! That's news to me. I was planning on buying an X1 soon (read: early next month?), but now I'm going to have to reconsider after I send Sony a line of questions. If HTC isn't making the phone anymore, who is? Or is it simply going to go out of stock after the reserves sell?
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no-one said that,
SE aren't using HTC to develop future phone, it looks like they're using asus instead.. although it could also be that the x2 is android based :0

so has anyone seen what the Palm's new PRE can do?

hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .

colourblind said:
hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .
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dude, my xperia only turns off if i have to restart due to some registry tweak, since the R3A update, i never experienced a hang
you could have posted me your previous xperia, only if i had the money to burn i would buy another
x1, there is none that can come close

johnchan78 said:
...The X1 has received ZERO updates.
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What's so funny is that you make this statement on the XDA website. What world are you in???

colourblind said:
so has anyone seen what the Palm's new PRE can do?
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Yes and I find it pathetic. Good thing people are working on a WinMo port for it.
colourblind said:
hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .
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Lies.....

I have seen what the new Palm Pre can do...it's a good interface but basically that's all it has good interface.
And yes I am impressed but I told myself, I will never buy a Palm because it looks like it has shifted from pda function to a P.O.S. kid's toy ... a competitor to the iphone.
I am looking for a backup device when I don't have the computer, not some stupid kid's toy.
Also...I really really want the Omnia HD...it's multimedia and out of the box experience is great, but AGAIN, symbian add-on software isn't as good. So if I were to buy a Samsung Omnia HD, I would buy it as a PMP, and I would buy a Toshiba TG01 as a Pocket PC.
But for now, Xperia has some qualities of Omnia HD and some qualities of other good and fast windows mobile phones like Toshiba TG01. Obviously Omnia HD doesn't have windows mobile, which I prefer over symbian (I've used symbian S60 first before switch to Windows Mobile), and it's also obvious that Toshiba TG01 doesn't have headphone jack and keyboard like the Xperia. So Xperia is the sort of the best of both worlds for now.
If I had cash I'd buy Toshiba TG01 and Omnia HD seperate...but if only XDA developed for the Toshiva TG01....
If there was a super godlike overkill hybrid phone that was both the Toshiba TG01 and Omnia HD...I would buy that hybrid instead...

poetryrocksalot said:
I am looking for a backup device when I don't have the computer, not some stupid kid's toy.
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I think we should sticky that comment to the front page. IN BIG LETTERS.

Sony Ericsson f---ed us over. Support HTC instead!

Dear current and future owners of X1 phones
I have come to see the truth: SE ****ed all the X1 owners (I have one too) over.
They made a cool design, let HTC do the engineering for a basic WM phone and wrote some
half-a**ed panels application for it.
They
- did not deliver the features that were promised (DLNA, PlayNow, etc),
- didn't even get the specs right in the datasheet (Version 3, long after the phone was released),
- lied to everyone about the amount of RAM ("errrm yeah it's *hidden*")
- and did not come forward with any clarifications
- or updates whatsoever.
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
Now don't get me wrong here, I like *my* X1 and I like Windows Mobile, but only
after I put all the HTC and SPB software on it I could get. And of course deleted
all the panels stuff, made ten-thousand registry tweaks etc. That can't be right, can it?
I think the average Joe with 1000$ to spend is seriously being f---ed by Sony Ericsson.
tldr;
---> NEXT TIME I'll get a real HTC device, as I want to support a company that actually
does something for us Windows Mobile users!
About me: This is my first WM device, but as a computer science student it's exactly what I want/need.
---> Thoughts?

I think the RAM "issue" has been addressed many times so far, the additional RAM that is not visible to the end-user is allocated for the graphics, the same implementation is done on the Touch HD.
Although i wasn't that impressed with the implementation of the panels, and indeed i was expecting more of active panels instead of images to click on and change desktop, i can also see some benefits of it. And the SDK clearly states that the panels can be active, i guess we would have to wait and see if they implement that feature going forward.
As for the registry tweaks, had it been an actual HTC device you would have to perform exactly the same tweaks and probably install SPB mobile shell on top of it because TF3D is also just a gimmick and one gets bored with it quite quickly.
It is in the nature of Windows Mobile that all of the devices with this OS actually do need a high level of customization by the user. Out of the box it gives you the basics and then it is up to the user to install programs or tweak the system to get more out of it...but that is also the good thing about it!

xperian said:
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
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So, in your belief, FERRARIS wouldn't need a warranty because they never have to be repaired or serviced ??
And why did you pay $1000 for a phone you can get for around $600-$700 ?? (clove.co.uk, smart-mobile-gadgets.com, ebay, etc, etc)
Any why did you find panels so disgusting ??
Have you seen the tools SONY posted for free-panels development ??
I think I will start learning how to "cook panels" instead of ROMs 'cos I am in love

I absolutely agree with the OP. This will be the last Sony Ercisson phone I will buy. I bought this thing the first week it came out. I felt like I got a prototype model. Crack in the stylus housing, directional button coating peeling off. Sony have not acknowleged the problems. Also the the signal is garabage, now maybe it's HTC hardware and HTC built phone but Sony need to step up and give us some support. Also Sony suck at firmware update and fixing issue. Don't even get me started on their panels crap, I love the idea, they market the panels but they don't have any development going on. Sure they release the SDK for it but for most everyday users, we just want to go on to the website and download it, not all of us are dev. Sorry for me venting but I've had enough of Sony crap. Thank god for xda-dev, if not for these wonderful members we have here, I would probably throw this thing against the wall the first month I got it.

@romeo0119: nice to know other people think the same.
@gtrab: Obviously you never used the panels before. The concept is okay, but even the Sony Ericsson default ones don't fit into that very concept (e.g. radio panel) And they are slow.
The comparison with the Ferrari: If the Ferraris had as many issues as the X1, every seconmd Ferrari would have its paint coming off in the carwash and cracks in the steering wheel after a week. AND Ferrari would say they know nothing about it. See, I don't blame SE for my broken headphone jack, that can happen. But I do blame them for the sticky thread about the cracks (20+ pages).
And about the 1000 dollars: Here in Switzerland (Europe, Google it), everything is more expensive but usually we also earn a lot more money. So 1000 is okay with me.
I just wanted to say SE did essentially nothing, all the work comes from xda-dev or HTC, so why should I buy from SE again rather than support HTC which really push the WM market?
(don't mind the mistakes, I'm writing from my X1 =))

xperian said:
@romeo0119: nice to know other people think the same.
@gtrab: Obviously you never used the panels before. The concept is okay, but even the Sony Ericsson default ones don't fit into that very concept (e.g. radio panel) And they are slow.
The comparison with the Ferrari: If the Ferraris had as many issues as the X1, every seconmd Ferrari would have its paint coming off in the carwash and cracks in the steering wheel after a week. AND Ferrari would say they know nothing about it. See, I don't blame SE for my broken headphone jack, that can happen. But I do blame them for the sticky thread about the cracks (20+ pages).
And about the 1000 dollars: Here in Switzerland (Europe, Google it), everything is more expensive but usually we also earn a lot more money. So 1000 is okay with me.
I just wanted to say SE did essentially nothing, all the work comes from xda-dev or HTC, so why should I buy from SE again rather than support HTC which really push the WM market?
(don't mind the mistakes, I'm writing from my X1 =))
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Hmm, just a remark - xda work is for HTC and X1 too, in fact HTC does not offer anything substantially more than X1 in any way.
As for Ferrari, actually these cars have amazing amount of issues besides their amazing engines, including buttons and controls falling apart in their control desk/interior...
I understand you somehow, however I use panels and consider them ultimately best for me, better than any UI solutions....

I disagree with most of your points but a couple. I was at the Crackberry forums and have seen the Blackberry storm receive or have leaked about 5 or so official firmware updates adding new features and fixing bugs and enhancing peeformance. We have gotten exactly zero in a longer duration of time. Now the X1 didn't have all the problems the Blackberry Storm had, but its not perfect either. I don't expect any firmware updates...SE software support isnt as good as RIMs. Luckily there is so much you can do with Windows Mobile out of the box.

Yes, we have lack of upgrades so far and that's no good.

Indeed, there's plenty of ROM upgrades
CHECK HERE
Many ROMs to choose from... and this is just the beginning
Don't know if there's such a customization level on let say, a Blackberry, Nokia N97 or iPhone
I think of my Xperia as my Vaio laptop: I've never seen an upgrade, but it's a windows powerhouse and I keep cumstomizing it all the time. I don't care about "upgrdes", maybe because I've nad no problem at all

gtrab said:
Indeed, there's plenty of ROM upgrades
CHECK HERE
Many ROMs to choose from... and this is just the beginning
Don't know if there's such a customization level on let say, a Blackberry, Nokia N97 or iPhone
I think of my Xperia as my Vaio laptop: I've never seen an upgrade, but it's a windows powerhouse and I keep cumstomizing it all the time. I don't care about "upgrdes", maybe because I've nad no problem at all
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of course there's custom roms, some working really well but not anyone whitout issues...
I think that at least SE shoudl release an update (for normal people who don't want to mess with custom roms and breaking it's warranty) to at least fix the bluetooth issue... do you think it's normal that I can't use my X1 with my bt car handsfree made by SE?
and yes, the vaio seem like a comedy... my mom got one last year and since then no updates, no bios... no drivers... we'll never get a VAIO again... we'll go for a dell like the one I have, lot's of updates, new drivers, always improving things and enhancing features.
**** SE... why the can't be like SCEE that release lot's of PS3 upgrades?.

xperian said:
Dear current and future owners of X1 phones
I have come to see the truth: SE ****ed all the X1 owners (I have one too) over.
They made a cool design, let HTC do the engineering for a basic WM phone and wrote some
half-a**ed panels application for it.
They
- did not deliver the features that were promised (DLNA, PlayNow, etc),
- didn't even get the specs right in the datasheet (Version 3, long after the phone was released),
- lied to everyone about the amount of RAM ("errrm yeah it's *hidden*")
- and did not come forward with any clarifications
- or updates whatsoever.
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
Now don't get me wrong here, I like *my* X1 and I like Windows Mobile, but only
after I put all the HTC and SPB software on it I could get. And of course deleted
all the panels stuff, made ten-thousand registry tweaks etc. That can't be right, can it?
I think the average Joe with 1000$ to spend is seriously being f---ed by Sony Ericsson.
tldr;
---> NEXT TIME I'll get a real HTC device, as I want to support a company that actually
does something for us Windows Mobile users!
About me: This is my first WM device, but as a computer science student it's exactly what I want/need.
---> Thoughts?
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Don't agree. Had one now for 2 months and not much wrong with it. In my humble opinion the phone goes well. You must have got a dud.

For me, X1 is the best WM Phone to date, no problem at all.
I really... and completely dont care about official update. I'll use only customized ROM anyway, cus it can go beyond any official ROM can do.
Only thing I care is how will they repair my phone when it fu.ked up.

I understand where OP is coming from, but let me just say this: Sony Ericsson support might suck, and the X1 may be plagued with all kinds of small problems, but you shouldn't automatically expect HTC to be any better. You should judge the phones themselves, because there are a number of problems with HTC phones too (and HTC support can also be pretty bad at times).
The only actual difference between SE and HTC is that SE has only released 1 (WinMo) phone -- whereas HTC already has dozens -- meaning the X1 alone is speaking for all of SE. It is fully possible for SE to release a X2 which completely blows everything else out of the water; if they're smart and fix all the mistakes they learned from the X1.
If you want to be rational about it, you ought to say that you'll never buy the X1 again, and just leave it at that. Depending on your expectations, it's still possible that HTC's own phones might not be good enough, at which point, several months later, you might be in the HTC threads telling everyone to boycott HTC and instead support the iPhone.
(Just kidding)
It might sound like I'm nitpicking, but rants seldom get us anywhere so it's good to take a step back and try to look at everything objectively.

fhsieh said:
I understand where OP is coming from, but let me just say this: Sony Ericsson support might suck, and the X1 may be plagued with all kinds of small problems, but you shouldn't automatically expect HTC to be any better. You should judge the phones themselves, because there are a number of problems with HTC phones too (and HTC support can also be pretty bad at times).
The only actual difference between SE and HTC is that SE has only released 1 (WinMo) phone -- whereas HTC already has dozens -- meaning the X1 alone is speaking for all of SE. It is fully possible for SE to release a X2 which completely blows everything else out of the water; if they're smart and fix all the mistakes they learned from the X1.
If you want to be rational about it, you ought to say that you'll never buy the X1 again, and just leave it at that. Depending on your expectations, it's still possible that HTC's own phones might not be good enough, at which point, several months later, you might be in the HTC threads telling everyone to boycott HTC and instead support the iPhone.
(Just kidding)
It might sound like I'm nitpicking, but rants seldom get us anywhere so it's good to take a step back and try to look at everything objectively.
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Alright, you have a point there. Three things:
- SE support was fine, I got it back repaired after 3 weeks (christmas time, so 3 weeks is okay)
- I'm not telling to boycott SE. I am merely wondering why almost everything usable comes from these forums or HTC rips. I think it would be more fair to actually buy a HTC device when using all the TouchFlo stuff and things.
- The hardware itself is about the same with HTC/SE, but I think it's the software that makes it or breaks it... I hope SE will put more effort into it with the X2.

As HTC produce X1, I think HTC also responsible for firmware development on X1 too.
It is not so difficult to understand why support on HTC branded products is better than on X1, X1 is not their brand and X1 is their competitor.
It is not good for HTC to make X1 equal or better than their own products.

Meh, I have owned over 5 Sony Ericsson cell phones so far and have had no problems with them that is until I got the Xperia! Why is the most expensive Sony Ericsson phone I have owned the worst I have ever had? This phone is not worth the $1,300CAD+ that $147 import fee I paid for it. I have waited a while trying different roms and programs before saying anything bad about it because I had hope Sony would get their act together but now...
Like its embarrassing when one of my friends are testing my Xperia out and it freezes up on them when i tell them how much I paid for it lol... I’m wondering how many times have you guys had to hard reset your Xperia’s? My Xperia works great! When I’m not using it...

Xperia Software Updated... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475482

sad to hear but then again tweak and stuff is the thigs that will hold this phone up.. find workarounds and so forth.. developers might find alternative ways for the stuff people misses on the phone.. have some faith

Dear Sony Ericsson

You guys are failures. I think that pretty much sums it all up. Honestly i believe your going bankrupt in the next couple years, and i hope you do. People here at xda contribute roms (nearly perfect) for free . Keyword: free. While you guys refuse to even give us "Premium" Customers an upgrade to 6.5. Your customer service is simply pathetic, and the X1.5(X2) its going to fail, but hopefully it will sell good in Korea so you can give them SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 panel and Xtract 2 ( so inevitably we could use them) perhaps you should just make a special Korean version that shoots laser beams and is built from adamantanium. SE long story short I am disappointed in you, and so is everyone else with you. at least i think so.
That is all i have to say.
Please discuss or add on.

Amen brother! We are being treated like Second Class Customers even though we have spent as much money as any korean. It is wrong that we have been segregated in this way.

we bought premium device ,we got 3.class support (sometimes no support).
thanks xda for the support

come to think of it...almost all of us here bought X1 on the realease price compare to the price today...then the treatment is not fair...
maybe SE is a die-hard fan of the wonder girls in korea...

Korea
Not sure I understand the relevance to Korea,can someone full me in? Also, SPB Mobile Shell Panel 3.5, is there one?

Korea is treated a lot better than the rest of the world with updates and software, Also there is a SPB 3.5 shell available do a search oh if you meant panel im not sure but hope so

why is everyone complaining anything released in Korea can be found on the net and used on any region x1. the spb 3.0 panel works on any x1 and the xtrakt game was leaked long before the Korean version came out.
sony does not need to give a free 6.5 update on there year old product as they sold it with wm6.1 and never said or gave the impression that they would upgrade it.
if i buy a car and a year later they bring out a facelift model i dont get a free upgrade.
the only companies giving a free upgrade are samsung and htc, both said when they sold there phones that they would give a free upgrade.
also htc is not giving a free upgrade on the htc hd and that was released at the same time as the x1. they are only giving it on the products that was released a few months ago as a lot of people would have not bought them waiting for 6.5 to be released.

esudl said:
Not sure I understand the relevance to Korea,can someone full me in? Also, SPB Mobile Shell Panel 3.5, is there one?
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there is a 3.5 but not as a panel. which makes the Korean panel out of date already so dont know why people are complaining.

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the xtrakt game was leaked long before the Korean version came out..
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Exactly! LEAKED not OFFICIAL, I am not downloading many, many, many cabs on my X1 to make it slow just to do what the X2 does.
I want OFFICIAL UPDATES via SEUS just like KOREA, if they have something I want it to.
(damn I sound like a spoilt child)
I want it now wwwwwaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh wwwwwwaaaaaahhhhh!

the have done 2 firmware updates and there may be one more to come.
You still believe that, Ganondolf? And please...the software updates were minor bug fixes. Still no fast panels. And why the hell should we not get 6.5 when the X1 can run it perfectly.
Maybe the korean people get 6.5 Thanks for the nice thread opening post @clubx1

I don't care who gets the sruff as long as someone does lol. Don't hate the Koreans, hate SE. i really do not care who gets what. The important thing is that we would get it sooner or later as well, thanks to XDA .
Everything else in the OP is spot on.

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the have done 2 firmware updates and there may be one more to come.
You still believe that, Ganondolf? And please...the software updates were minor bug fixes. Still no fast panels. And why the hell should we not get 6.5 when the X1 can run it perfectly.
Maybe the korean people get 6.5 Thanks for the nice thread opening post @clubx1
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i dont care if they dont bring out a r4 update as my x1 runs fast and smooth. SE have already said that there will be new panels for the x1 (dont expect the tileware panel). so what if the x1 can run 6.5, u expect SE to pay and give u it free because u want to be a cheap scape. if u want 6.5 buy a 6.5 phone.
and dont give me the i dont want a x2 because it has the same cpu and ram moaning. sony and i dont care. buy a x2 or buy a different make 6.5 phone or keep your x1 but PLEASE STOP CRYING AND MOANING LIKE CHILDREN.

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i dont care if they dont bring out a r4 update as my x1 runs fast and smooth. SE have already said that there will be new panels for the x1 (dont expect the tileware panel). so what if the x1 can run 6.5, u expect SE to pay and give u it free because u want to be a cheap scape. if u want 6.5 buy a 6.5 phone.
and dont give me the i dont want a x2 because it has the same cpu and ram moaning. sony and i dont care. buy a x2 or buy a different make 6.5 phone or keep your x1 but PLEASE STOP CRYING AND MOANING LIKE CHILDREN.
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Frakking true!

Im glad we are all sharing our opinions.
@ Ganondolf
I disagree with you on this case, the car example was horrible, im not asking for an x2 im asking for an OS. I dont understand why SE or HTC for that matter cant give 6.5 to devices that can handle it. Like i mentioned we have great cooks here and their roms are nearly perfect. What upsets me and many others is, if these guys can do it for free( or a beer ) and make an excellent ROM, why isn't SE doing anything for us? End of the day its a matter of principle, you cant treat you customers like s***t and expect them to buy your goods, and be happy with you. I wanted to buy either the X2 or the X3 but after seeing how they treat customers and their updates ( lack of), i don't think i want to anymore.
@ everybody else
thanks for the discussion, keep it going, the more opinions the better understanding we have of how the community feels about the issue.
P.S the Korea comment was satirical, since they seem to get the latest stuff i thought id throw it out there.

"i dont care if they dont bring out a r4 update as my x1 runs fast and smooth. SE have already said that there will be new panels for the x1 (dont expect the tileware panel). so what if the x1 can run 6.5, u expect SE to pay and give u it free because u want to be a cheap scape. if u want 6.5 buy a 6.5 phone."
Well, it runs fast and smooth. But for me panels are too slow, there could be more panels. Videos have to be converted before you can watch them on your X1. All those things annoy me.
Of course I will buy a 6.5 phone - that's absolutely not the point!
But to consider buying a SE again I want 6.5 as an update. This phone is an "experiment" like they said and I don't want to be treated like that. I will subscribe every attempt to get another update since I paid so much for that freakin phone.
If you think we are winer, fine, no one forces you guys to follow the thread. Just go to youtube and watch some videos instead of wasting your time here...

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Maybe because SE will have to pay a licence to give WM6.5 to X1 user so they can't do it for free...

"Maybe because SE will have to pay a license to give WM6.5 to X1 user so they can't do it for free..."
Perhaps that is true, but id be willing to pay for a 6.5 Official upgrade from SE, and I am sure others wouldn't mind either.

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Im glad we are all sharing our opinions.
@ Ganondolf
I disagree with you on this case, the car example was horrible, im not asking for an x2 im asking for an OS. I dont understand why SE or HTC for that matter cant give 6.5 to devices that can handle it. Like i mentioned we have great cooks here and their roms are nearly perfect. What upsets me and many others is, if these guys can do it for free( or a beer ) and make an excellent ROM, why isn't SE doing anything for us? End of the day its a matter of principle, you cant treat you customers like s***t and expect them to buy your goods, and be happy with you. I wanted to buy either the X2 or the X3 but after seeing how they treat customers and their updates ( lack of), i don't think i want to anymore.
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Do you know how the market (and the whole world) functions? If you need something, you have to pay for ot. If companies start giving stuff for free - what's the point of their existense? They shuld rename themselves "charities" or go bankrupt.
When you bought the X1, you got a phone (hardware) and an OS (software). Why would anyone give one of those things to you for free? Why should you get something, that you haven't paid for? It's another OS, not just a bug fix update.
Seriously, use your brain.

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"Maybe because SE will have to pay a license to give WM6.5 to X1 user so they can't do it for free..."
Perhaps that is true, but id be willing to pay for a 6.5 Official upgrade from SE, and I am sure others wouldn't mind either.
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Perhaps? Perhaps what? Do you think SE got WinMo out of thin air?
About the paying for an official upgrade.
This is something entirely different and you can make a "are you willing to pay for a 6.5 upgrade" thread. Whining about not getting stuff for free and paying for the upgrade are completely different.

i somehow agree about the update to 6.5 - it's not a free one from microsoft, so SE would have to buy a second license for each phone...
but orelsi, do you think we got our money's worth back with the x1 in the first place? obviously SE did everything they should have done for the x1 for the x2 with 6.5, and they started doing that half a year ago. (THAT'S what i'm complaining about, i can see on my x1 now what would have been possible with this hardware!!! but not officially.)
don't forget, that's the other side of how the market/world works: it's a buyer's market. but obviously SE isn't interested in a good reputation as a smartphone-seller. but so what, not my problem.

Plain Android 2.1 on X10

Hi,
as I don't know anything about ROM-development I wanted to ask how difficult it would be to flash just a native Android 2.1 (Custom-) ROM on the phone. Is there a lot of modding to be done or is it no big thing.
UX sure is nice but I suppose plain 2.1 would be a lot faster. Maybe with Mediascape on top..
I don't want to wait until the official update in something like Q3..

I believe that you have to root the device first.
After that you can do almost everything you want with the monster named X10.

My guess would be vanilla 2.1 is the first major happening after the root. Not ready to give up on timescape/mediascape just yet. They are both developer extensible and I have a feeling that the smart guys around here are going to figure out some nifty uses. Interesting times if this device sees some support.

krabman said:
Interesting times if this device sees some support.
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I am sure it will. It is very promising, unlike the X2....

krabman said:
My guess would be vanilla 2.1 is the first major happening after the root. Not ready to give up on timescape/mediascape just yet. They are both developer extensible and I have a feeling that the smart guys around here are going to figure out some nifty uses. Interesting times if this device sees some support.
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I'd love to see a timescape/mediascape UI ROM for other Android phones.
Heck, I'd love to see the whole UI on another phone. I'm curious to see how it'll work. Specifically seeing as how the X10 won't be supporting multi-touch (as I hear it's a hardware issue as well as software), it'll be interesting to see the UI on a phone that supports multi-touch.

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I'd love to see a timescape/mediascape UI ROM for other Android phones.
Heck, I'd love to see the whole UI on another phone. I'm curious to see how it'll work. Specifically seeing as how the X10 won't be supporting multi-touch (as I hear it's a hardware issue as well as software), it'll be interesting to see the UI on a phone that supports multi-touch.
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i wonder how the nexus1 would look with it running

PacoL250 said:
I'd love to see a timescape/mediascape UI ROM for other Android phones.
Heck, I'd love to see the whole UI on another phone. I'm curious to see how it'll work. Specifically seeing as how the X10 won't be supporting multi-touch (as I hear it's a hardware issue as well as software), it'll be interesting to see the UI on a phone that supports multi-touch.
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X10 will support multi-touch!

MCoimbra said:
X10 will support multi-touch!
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I've heard that also.
When it comes to software issues... it can be fixed..
But I think that I heard that it was possible a month ago.
I guess that we will just have to wait and see, if it is possible or not.

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X10 will support multi-touch!
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ukon said:
I've heard that also.
When it comes to software issues... it can be fixed..
But I think that I heard that it was possible a month ago.
I guess that we will just have to wait and see, if it is possible or not.
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Ahem...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653536

Here's an email i've got in modaco foruns:
Yesterday I sent an email to Sony Ericsson asking them to confirm specs features of their X10 handset. This is what I received.
Dear ******,
Thank you for contacting the Sony Ericsson support centre.
I have complied some answers to the questions that you have raised, please see below:
#1 Does the device itself support multi touch? I am aware that the the
current OS Android 1.6 does not.
The handset has a capacitive screen that is capable of multi touch for features such as pinch zooming. This feature will be implemented by the upgrade to 2.1
#2 Does the device have an internal digital compass which would show
direction in google maps?
The X10 does have a magnetometer that acts as a digital compass.
#3 Will android 2.1+ be coming to the Xperia x10 in 2010?
The handset has been confirmed to be upgraded to 2.1, however there are no time scales for this, developement is currently working on implementing the Timescape/Mediascape to 2.1.
Should you have any further questions do not hesitate to ask.
Kind Regards,
Paul Conlan
Sony Ericsson Technical Support
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Has anyone tried to include the apks from the SDK addon in another ROM? Maybe I'm too naive, but it should be possible, shouldn't it? When you extract the system.img, there are several apks and most of them have the X10 icons.
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/c...263202126/102216-XPERIA-X10_SDK_Add-on_r1.zip
The Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 add-on for the Android SDK includes the complete Android system with additions customizing it for the X10 : Sony Ericsson splash screen; X10 colour backgrounds; A "skin" of the X10 which is a simple graphic of the front of the phone; A hardware.ini file to set the operating parameters for screen, camera, audio and so on.
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W00T~!!! Sounds good.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/28/xperia-x10-multitouch-issue-hardware-related/
Bad news folks.

orelsi said:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/28/xperia-x10-multitouch-issue-hardware-related/
Bad news folks.
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TBH, it doesnt really bother me.
Cant say I miss pinch to zoom on my X1 when coming across from my iPod.
I just double tap

Engadget is just passing on the word from the official blog that everyone is already talking about, it isnt from another source.

sounds great!!

I would also like to have plain 2.1
Just waiting root access

When it comes to multi-touch, I trust the fact that it will be supported come the 2.1 update. I hardly doubt Sony Ericsson would create a phone of this caliber without that capability.
That's why my XPERIA is going to sit on my desk, neatly packaged in its box... until 2.1 and root happens. My Nexus One is happy to get more playing time.

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When it comes to multi-touch, I trust the fact that it will be supported come the 2.1 update. I hardly doubt Sony Ericsson would create a phone of this caliber without that capability.
That's why my XPERIA is going to sit on my desk, neatly packaged in its box... until 2.1 and root happens. My Nexus One is happy to get more playing time.
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Hope you are correct
But I dont think you are! SE were to cheap and they were not supposed to upgrade to 2.1, but then all their competitors did and they did not have a choice.
(I think)

uultramann said:
When it comes to multi-touch, I trust the fact that it will be supported come the 2.1 update. I hardly doubt Sony Ericsson would create a phone of this caliber without that capability.
That's why my XPERIA is going to sit on my desk, neatly packaged in its box... until 2.1 and root happens. My Nexus One is happy to get more playing time.
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It'll be sitting there forever then.
Sumit Malhotra confirms no MT on X10
Here's what he said:
Back in November, I posted that X10 will not support multi touch functionality at launch, but will be considered for the future. I can appreciate that even though there wasn´t a commitment, such wording both creates expectations (small or big) on future support and implies restrictions on software side.
That is the information I had in hand at that point of time. I am well aware that you rate multi touch functionality very high and therefore I regret to inform you that X10 screen hardware does not register simultaneous entries. Meaning even though we will upgrade the underlying operating system in relation to upgrading our user experience layer, X10 will not support multi touch functionality. We believe that it is important for you who follow this blog to be clear on that, which is the reason why I want to confirm Rikard’s comment.
We are working on alternative solutions for certain use cases, like zooming. I will share more details about that initiative once confirmed.
Due to vendor understanding and agreements, we don´t discuss in detail regarding hardware specifications. Having said that, X10 is upgradable and as earlier described there will be significant value offered through upgrades. X10 is about to reach stores and early consumer feedback is very positive, also highlighting room for improvement which we will share in due time.
Regards,
Sumit​