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So anything new coming from SE for Xperia?

Any news about new updates/apps/panels etc ?
Things i would like to see:
1- specialized UI for Xperia made by SE. Most WM phones got one, why not Xperia?
Media Panel looks really nice, why not expand that into a complete UI skin ?
2- youtube panel
3- faster panel switching time. Currently its good and fast, but we still need it to be faster....
What do you guys think ?

very annoying and I'm beginning to get very envious of those with iphones
its a waste of time checking for new panels on the SE site.
why are independent developers not producing any to purchase?

When a firmware update will be available?

ijob said:
why are independent developers not producing any to purchase?
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'coz panel are limited to xperia users as panels interface goues officially only on x1
and panels sucks imho

Well, the guy who bought the first fax machine was a complete idiot. Because there was no one to fax to.
Or remember at the end of the 90? When no one was willing to buy a DVD-Player because there were only around 5 Movies on DVD (which we already had on CD-i ;-) ) and the film studios didn't want to release DVDs because no one had got a DVD-Player?
With the panels and the Xperia X1 it's a bit similar - it will take some time, until creative and talented developers have got a X1 for their own.

im REALLY hoping for a YouTube panel.
any progammer with a lot of spare time??

i like panels there is a free sdk so everybody can make whatever they want
if they got the skills
of cause compared to iphone there is no central place to check and access them
but looking at the very closed way apple handle it and non disclosure agreement apple handle
it developers are not even allowed to talk with each-other
and they have to pay apple to get apps in the store
and apps can only be developed on a mac not a windows or linux computer
i pity iphone developers really
but granted it's bad news for other wm phone owners if programs are only made as panels and not as programs they can use

ithehappy said:
When a firmware update will be available?
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Its very frustrating that the Omnia, HD Touch, etc. all already have had firmware updates/upgrades/improvements, yet our Xperia is STILL on the original version.
Is this actually what we should expect from SE, because it is actually HTC producing the phone, but HTC cannot directly release a firmware (even if they know about problems)? I would presume HTC is the one that is handling the firmware, and SE is simply adding their panels, so any firmware updates should come from HTC then re-badged and renamed as an "SE" firmware update?
If that is the case, what is SE's track record of releasing firmwares? In fact, do you think SE has to PAY for each firmware update to HTC? Maybe we shouldn't even expect any firmware updates because of this?!

ijob said:
very annoying and I'm beginning to get very envious of those with iphones
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Believe me... Xperia is a far better device than the iPhone. iPhone was a breakthrough device, sure, but Xperia is more powerful. (I have been using an iPhone 1st Gen since it was released, and have literally not touched it since i got my Xperia)
Sure iPhone has a lot of stuff out for it... but you can't compare panels to iPhone's apps and games... panels are something different. If you wanna talk about games and apps, then more and more windows mobile apps and games are starting to support the Xperia/Touch-HD resolution and so we'll see more soon.

What are you cruying for? The other companies had to give fast updates because of the bad first ROM. SE made the best ROM I have ever seen at a PPC. It is the most stable PPC I ever had and even with this first ROM. Not to believe! What to wish more? The more time to wait for the x1 was good used by SE
There seem to be only a very few very small issues (as bluetooth disconnecting at some devices, I am lucky not to have this problem till now) and I am sure there will be an update for them.

Well lets hope that sonyericsson does not treat this platform the same way they treated uiq.. Uiq is more or less dead today.. Had an m600 from se,uppgraded with their very latest (and last)firmware and still buggy like hell..

Hopefully we can get a firmware update with:
a) IE 6
b) faster panel switching
As far as the panels are concerned, SE is going to have to make XPERIA a brand before we start seeing more and more panels created. It's like the whole chicken and the egg thing, but the ball is really in SE's court.
I downloaded and looked at the SDK last night, looked alright. I bet developers are waiting to see how committed SE is to the XPERIA brand.

pf said:
What are you cruying for? The other companies had to give fast updates because of the bad first ROM. SE made the best ROM I have ever seen at a PPC. It is the most stable PPC I ever had and even with this first ROM. Not to believe! What to wish more? The more time to wait for the x1 was good used by SE
There seem to be only a very few very small issues (as bluetooth disconnecting at some devices, I am lucky not to have this problem till now) and I am sure there will be an update for them.
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i'm agree with pf. i used htc phones like elf, nike, kaiser even the blackstone
but xperia was the fastest and stable, the keyboard responds fast not like the kaiser. when you use tf3d its responds faster than the diamond. there are little things but which phone is perfect??
i have no issue with the rom. i have everything original don't need to tweak anything causes only crashes.

johnchan78 said:
Its very frustrating that the Omnia, HD Touch, etc. all already have had firmware updates/upgrades/improvements, yet our Xperia is STILL on the original version.
Is this actually what we should expect from SE, because it is actually HTC producing the phone, but HTC cannot directly release a firmware (even if they know about problems)? I would presume HTC is the one that is handling the firmware, and SE is simply adding their panels, so any firmware updates should come from HTC then re-badged and renamed as an "SE" firmware update?
If that is the case, what is SE's track record of releasing firmwares? In fact, do you think SE has to PAY for each firmware update to HTC? Maybe we shouldn't even expect any firmware updates because of this?!
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I dont know about the whole "SE buying updates from HTC" but I can tell you that at least here in Sweden a firmware update is imminent. The actual update is done and is now being evaluated by the operators before release.
Oh, and about SEs track record for updates... its never been very good.

Golgo said:
I dont know about the whole "SE buying updates from HTC" but I can tell you that at least here in Sweden a firmware update is imminent. The actual update is done and is now being evaluated by the operators before release.
Oh, and about SEs track record for updates... its never been very good.
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Wait a sec. If there is an update that you have heard of? please share it!
Honestly the main thing i would like to see in X1 is an UI shell similar to HTC or Omnia. I know SE love to have their phones with top of the line UIs. But with X1, they did nothing..... beside a nice looking media panel.
About the app store, i think i have heard that MS is working on an app store when they release WM 6.5/7 will be similar to what iphone app store.

Youtube
Here is the Youtube Panel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462595

rotsu said:
Wait a sec. If there is an update that you have heard of? please share it!
Honestly the main thing i would like to see in X1 is an UI shell similar to HTC or Omnia. I know SE love to have their phones with top of the line UIs. But with X1, they did nothing..... beside a nice looking media panel.
About the app store, i think i have heard that MS is working on an app store when they release WM 6.5/7 will be similar to what iphone app store.
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Woo yes do tell us about the updated Xperia firmware that is coming... anything would be good!!!

johnchan78 said:
Woo yes do tell us about the updated Xperia firmware that is coming... anything would be good!!!
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Sorry, I have no information regarding what's actually in this update. I only know this because that's what SE support have told me in an email reply.
Truthfully though, I wouldn't put too much faith into what SE support says. I talked to them about another matter about a month ago adn was promised that a fw update would come out "any day now, at the latest two weeks before xmas"... nah, don't think so

I'm never getting a WinsMo or Xperia ever..

Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!

There's alot more to WM than meets the eye you know. The Xperia is hyped with the Panels in mind but it's certainly not the only feature there's alot more that can be done.
I, myself have removed the panels completely, I don't like them and never used them. I currently use the Panels button to open my comm manager so I can change what's on and what's not.
Have you installed any other software for you phone at all? Just a few interfaces to mention for instance:
TouchFlo
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Mobile Shell
Im sure there's more. The bottom two offer a heck of alot of customization for the "look" of your phone. Skins/Icons. You could have it looking like an iPhone if you wanted, or there abouts.
On top of that there's more programs that you can install than you can shake a stick at. It's much like a PC, the amount of things you can do with it is amazing.
I'll agree there are problems with the device, but the problem with the majority is they always look on the negatives and not the positives. Sometimes the phone is a bit hard to use and after showing a few friends of mine the phone, they have really liked it but I have had to put them off the phone because they without being rude don't have the knowledge to use the phone and be happy with it to it's fullest.
Windows Mobile really is what you make it, some like it, some hate it. It's not the greatest of operating systems for phones and it's probably one of the most hardest to use and learn, but the options you have are well worth the effort.

colourblind said:
Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!
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Congratulations, did you have to make a thread about it?

Nippero said:
Congratulations, did you have to make a thread about it?
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what's so wrong of posting it here? i think he has the rights to express his feelings.
mate, i hated windows mobile before! yes i did, even though i'm a microsoft "fan" but when i used my X1, i started customizing it in a way that really fits my needs, and now i'm using my phone as a computer which is always in my pocket!
you can find alot of cool stuff in the forum, customize your phone and play arround with it, change all default values (be careful not to change something that will make you hard reset, and always backup). Customize the phone, windows is the most flexible and customizable OS ever (sorry Linux fans).
let me know if you need any help

The thing that concerns ME is that SE and HTC have parted ways, and no longer co-operate.
That means the support level for our HTC-made Xperia X1's is going down the tubes. HTC is the one most likely responsible for firmware upgrades to their hardware, so now that SE and HTC no longer co-operate/partner I highly doubt HTC will be making any firmware updates for our phone.
Consider this... the HTC Touch HD has been released after the X1, yet has already receive one or two firmware updates by HTC to fix various issues. The X1 has received ZERO updates.
SE has basically decided to give up on the Xperia X1 from what we can see, since they moved to a new manufacturer.
Of course, this doesn't mean the great developers at XDA will not be coming out with home brew firmwares and fixes, but it does mean that official support from SE is probably going to be winding down and dying...
why else would a simple fix to the bluetooth problem (which MANY people here have found) is not being pushed out? Because SE doesn't want to pay HTC to release the firmware fix since they no longer co-operate.
Oh well. I hope to be proven wrong, but the fact HTC is pushing out firmware updates for all their devices but NOT the Xperia X1 (despite being released longer) confirms this.

colourblind said:
Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!
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U said it "seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!".
R U using it so you knew it is much more better ?

go buy a nokia s40 phone and then use your x1 again. let me know what you like more and would rather use.

I allways look at this that my new X1 is as a toy for Big boy.
Its all abaut somthing changing experimenting tweaking.
I like this .
or just buy nokia 6110 make call, recive call and sleep well in the nights.

I was always under the impression that this was a dsicussion forum for the understanding and development of a set of phones.
Unfortunately lately it's become an area for people with no understanding to moan.

johnchan78 said:
The thing that concerns ME is that SE and HTC have parted ways, and no longer co-operate.
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Eeek! That's news to me. I was planning on buying an X1 soon (read: early next month?), but now I'm going to have to reconsider after I send Sony a line of questions. If HTC isn't making the phone anymore, who is? Or is it simply going to go out of stock after the reserves sell?

johnchan78 said:
The thing that concerns ME is that SE and HTC have parted ways, and no longer co-operate.
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What a load of crap.
All we know is that HTC won't be building the X2 (or whatever they end up calling it) together. We don't even know what OS is going to run on it.
However it's SE responsibilty for the software, they are working on a new firmware, whether those on branded phone will see it depends on their networks (unless you do a DIY job).
And if SE do need help from HTC with some hardware issues, HTC will need to provided it, they will be under contract and most likely will want to build future models (X3).

HTC is not going to produce "next" Sony Ericsson phone.
HTC still produces XPERIA for Sony Ericcson.

kuraudo said:
Eeek! That's news to me. I was planning on buying an X1 soon (read: early next month?), but now I'm going to have to reconsider after I send Sony a line of questions. If HTC isn't making the phone anymore, who is? Or is it simply going to go out of stock after the reserves sell?
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no-one said that,
SE aren't using HTC to develop future phone, it looks like they're using asus instead.. although it could also be that the x2 is android based :0

so has anyone seen what the Palm's new PRE can do?

hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .

colourblind said:
hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .
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dude, my xperia only turns off if i have to restart due to some registry tweak, since the R3A update, i never experienced a hang
you could have posted me your previous xperia, only if i had the money to burn i would buy another
x1, there is none that can come close

johnchan78 said:
...The X1 has received ZERO updates.
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What's so funny is that you make this statement on the XDA website. What world are you in???

colourblind said:
so has anyone seen what the Palm's new PRE can do?
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Yes and I find it pathetic. Good thing people are working on a WinMo port for it.
colourblind said:
hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .
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Lies.....

I have seen what the new Palm Pre can do...it's a good interface but basically that's all it has good interface.
And yes I am impressed but I told myself, I will never buy a Palm because it looks like it has shifted from pda function to a P.O.S. kid's toy ... a competitor to the iphone.
I am looking for a backup device when I don't have the computer, not some stupid kid's toy.
Also...I really really want the Omnia HD...it's multimedia and out of the box experience is great, but AGAIN, symbian add-on software isn't as good. So if I were to buy a Samsung Omnia HD, I would buy it as a PMP, and I would buy a Toshiba TG01 as a Pocket PC.
But for now, Xperia has some qualities of Omnia HD and some qualities of other good and fast windows mobile phones like Toshiba TG01. Obviously Omnia HD doesn't have windows mobile, which I prefer over symbian (I've used symbian S60 first before switch to Windows Mobile), and it's also obvious that Toshiba TG01 doesn't have headphone jack and keyboard like the Xperia. So Xperia is the sort of the best of both worlds for now.
If I had cash I'd buy Toshiba TG01 and Omnia HD seperate...but if only XDA developed for the Toshiva TG01....
If there was a super godlike overkill hybrid phone that was both the Toshiba TG01 and Omnia HD...I would buy that hybrid instead...

poetryrocksalot said:
I am looking for a backup device when I don't have the computer, not some stupid kid's toy.
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I think we should sticky that comment to the front page. IN BIG LETTERS.

Sony Ericsson f---ed us over. Support HTC instead!

Dear current and future owners of X1 phones
I have come to see the truth: SE ****ed all the X1 owners (I have one too) over.
They made a cool design, let HTC do the engineering for a basic WM phone and wrote some
half-a**ed panels application for it.
They
- did not deliver the features that were promised (DLNA, PlayNow, etc),
- didn't even get the specs right in the datasheet (Version 3, long after the phone was released),
- lied to everyone about the amount of RAM ("errrm yeah it's *hidden*")
- and did not come forward with any clarifications
- or updates whatsoever.
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
Now don't get me wrong here, I like *my* X1 and I like Windows Mobile, but only
after I put all the HTC and SPB software on it I could get. And of course deleted
all the panels stuff, made ten-thousand registry tweaks etc. That can't be right, can it?
I think the average Joe with 1000$ to spend is seriously being f---ed by Sony Ericsson.
tldr;
---> NEXT TIME I'll get a real HTC device, as I want to support a company that actually
does something for us Windows Mobile users!
About me: This is my first WM device, but as a computer science student it's exactly what I want/need.
---> Thoughts?

I think the RAM "issue" has been addressed many times so far, the additional RAM that is not visible to the end-user is allocated for the graphics, the same implementation is done on the Touch HD.
Although i wasn't that impressed with the implementation of the panels, and indeed i was expecting more of active panels instead of images to click on and change desktop, i can also see some benefits of it. And the SDK clearly states that the panels can be active, i guess we would have to wait and see if they implement that feature going forward.
As for the registry tweaks, had it been an actual HTC device you would have to perform exactly the same tweaks and probably install SPB mobile shell on top of it because TF3D is also just a gimmick and one gets bored with it quite quickly.
It is in the nature of Windows Mobile that all of the devices with this OS actually do need a high level of customization by the user. Out of the box it gives you the basics and then it is up to the user to install programs or tweak the system to get more out of it...but that is also the good thing about it!

xperian said:
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
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So, in your belief, FERRARIS wouldn't need a warranty because they never have to be repaired or serviced ??
And why did you pay $1000 for a phone you can get for around $600-$700 ?? (clove.co.uk, smart-mobile-gadgets.com, ebay, etc, etc)
Any why did you find panels so disgusting ??
Have you seen the tools SONY posted for free-panels development ??
I think I will start learning how to "cook panels" instead of ROMs 'cos I am in love

I absolutely agree with the OP. This will be the last Sony Ercisson phone I will buy. I bought this thing the first week it came out. I felt like I got a prototype model. Crack in the stylus housing, directional button coating peeling off. Sony have not acknowleged the problems. Also the the signal is garabage, now maybe it's HTC hardware and HTC built phone but Sony need to step up and give us some support. Also Sony suck at firmware update and fixing issue. Don't even get me started on their panels crap, I love the idea, they market the panels but they don't have any development going on. Sure they release the SDK for it but for most everyday users, we just want to go on to the website and download it, not all of us are dev. Sorry for me venting but I've had enough of Sony crap. Thank god for xda-dev, if not for these wonderful members we have here, I would probably throw this thing against the wall the first month I got it.

@romeo0119: nice to know other people think the same.
@gtrab: Obviously you never used the panels before. The concept is okay, but even the Sony Ericsson default ones don't fit into that very concept (e.g. radio panel) And they are slow.
The comparison with the Ferrari: If the Ferraris had as many issues as the X1, every seconmd Ferrari would have its paint coming off in the carwash and cracks in the steering wheel after a week. AND Ferrari would say they know nothing about it. See, I don't blame SE for my broken headphone jack, that can happen. But I do blame them for the sticky thread about the cracks (20+ pages).
And about the 1000 dollars: Here in Switzerland (Europe, Google it), everything is more expensive but usually we also earn a lot more money. So 1000 is okay with me.
I just wanted to say SE did essentially nothing, all the work comes from xda-dev or HTC, so why should I buy from SE again rather than support HTC which really push the WM market?
(don't mind the mistakes, I'm writing from my X1 =))

xperian said:
@romeo0119: nice to know other people think the same.
@gtrab: Obviously you never used the panels before. The concept is okay, but even the Sony Ericsson default ones don't fit into that very concept (e.g. radio panel) And they are slow.
The comparison with the Ferrari: If the Ferraris had as many issues as the X1, every seconmd Ferrari would have its paint coming off in the carwash and cracks in the steering wheel after a week. AND Ferrari would say they know nothing about it. See, I don't blame SE for my broken headphone jack, that can happen. But I do blame them for the sticky thread about the cracks (20+ pages).
And about the 1000 dollars: Here in Switzerland (Europe, Google it), everything is more expensive but usually we also earn a lot more money. So 1000 is okay with me.
I just wanted to say SE did essentially nothing, all the work comes from xda-dev or HTC, so why should I buy from SE again rather than support HTC which really push the WM market?
(don't mind the mistakes, I'm writing from my X1 =))
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Hmm, just a remark - xda work is for HTC and X1 too, in fact HTC does not offer anything substantially more than X1 in any way.
As for Ferrari, actually these cars have amazing amount of issues besides their amazing engines, including buttons and controls falling apart in their control desk/interior...
I understand you somehow, however I use panels and consider them ultimately best for me, better than any UI solutions....

I disagree with most of your points but a couple. I was at the Crackberry forums and have seen the Blackberry storm receive or have leaked about 5 or so official firmware updates adding new features and fixing bugs and enhancing peeformance. We have gotten exactly zero in a longer duration of time. Now the X1 didn't have all the problems the Blackberry Storm had, but its not perfect either. I don't expect any firmware updates...SE software support isnt as good as RIMs. Luckily there is so much you can do with Windows Mobile out of the box.

Yes, we have lack of upgrades so far and that's no good.

Indeed, there's plenty of ROM upgrades
CHECK HERE
Many ROMs to choose from... and this is just the beginning
Don't know if there's such a customization level on let say, a Blackberry, Nokia N97 or iPhone
I think of my Xperia as my Vaio laptop: I've never seen an upgrade, but it's a windows powerhouse and I keep cumstomizing it all the time. I don't care about "upgrdes", maybe because I've nad no problem at all

gtrab said:
Indeed, there's plenty of ROM upgrades
CHECK HERE
Many ROMs to choose from... and this is just the beginning
Don't know if there's such a customization level on let say, a Blackberry, Nokia N97 or iPhone
I think of my Xperia as my Vaio laptop: I've never seen an upgrade, but it's a windows powerhouse and I keep cumstomizing it all the time. I don't care about "upgrdes", maybe because I've nad no problem at all
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of course there's custom roms, some working really well but not anyone whitout issues...
I think that at least SE shoudl release an update (for normal people who don't want to mess with custom roms and breaking it's warranty) to at least fix the bluetooth issue... do you think it's normal that I can't use my X1 with my bt car handsfree made by SE?
and yes, the vaio seem like a comedy... my mom got one last year and since then no updates, no bios... no drivers... we'll never get a VAIO again... we'll go for a dell like the one I have, lot's of updates, new drivers, always improving things and enhancing features.
**** SE... why the can't be like SCEE that release lot's of PS3 upgrades?.

xperian said:
Dear current and future owners of X1 phones
I have come to see the truth: SE ****ed all the X1 owners (I have one too) over.
They made a cool design, let HTC do the engineering for a basic WM phone and wrote some
half-a**ed panels application for it.
They
- did not deliver the features that were promised (DLNA, PlayNow, etc),
- didn't even get the specs right in the datasheet (Version 3, long after the phone was released),
- lied to everyone about the amount of RAM ("errrm yeah it's *hidden*")
- and did not come forward with any clarifications
- or updates whatsoever.
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
Now don't get me wrong here, I like *my* X1 and I like Windows Mobile, but only
after I put all the HTC and SPB software on it I could get. And of course deleted
all the panels stuff, made ten-thousand registry tweaks etc. That can't be right, can it?
I think the average Joe with 1000$ to spend is seriously being f---ed by Sony Ericsson.
tldr;
---> NEXT TIME I'll get a real HTC device, as I want to support a company that actually
does something for us Windows Mobile users!
About me: This is my first WM device, but as a computer science student it's exactly what I want/need.
---> Thoughts?
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Don't agree. Had one now for 2 months and not much wrong with it. In my humble opinion the phone goes well. You must have got a dud.

For me, X1 is the best WM Phone to date, no problem at all.
I really... and completely dont care about official update. I'll use only customized ROM anyway, cus it can go beyond any official ROM can do.
Only thing I care is how will they repair my phone when it fu.ked up.

I understand where OP is coming from, but let me just say this: Sony Ericsson support might suck, and the X1 may be plagued with all kinds of small problems, but you shouldn't automatically expect HTC to be any better. You should judge the phones themselves, because there are a number of problems with HTC phones too (and HTC support can also be pretty bad at times).
The only actual difference between SE and HTC is that SE has only released 1 (WinMo) phone -- whereas HTC already has dozens -- meaning the X1 alone is speaking for all of SE. It is fully possible for SE to release a X2 which completely blows everything else out of the water; if they're smart and fix all the mistakes they learned from the X1.
If you want to be rational about it, you ought to say that you'll never buy the X1 again, and just leave it at that. Depending on your expectations, it's still possible that HTC's own phones might not be good enough, at which point, several months later, you might be in the HTC threads telling everyone to boycott HTC and instead support the iPhone.
(Just kidding)
It might sound like I'm nitpicking, but rants seldom get us anywhere so it's good to take a step back and try to look at everything objectively.

fhsieh said:
I understand where OP is coming from, but let me just say this: Sony Ericsson support might suck, and the X1 may be plagued with all kinds of small problems, but you shouldn't automatically expect HTC to be any better. You should judge the phones themselves, because there are a number of problems with HTC phones too (and HTC support can also be pretty bad at times).
The only actual difference between SE and HTC is that SE has only released 1 (WinMo) phone -- whereas HTC already has dozens -- meaning the X1 alone is speaking for all of SE. It is fully possible for SE to release a X2 which completely blows everything else out of the water; if they're smart and fix all the mistakes they learned from the X1.
If you want to be rational about it, you ought to say that you'll never buy the X1 again, and just leave it at that. Depending on your expectations, it's still possible that HTC's own phones might not be good enough, at which point, several months later, you might be in the HTC threads telling everyone to boycott HTC and instead support the iPhone.
(Just kidding)
It might sound like I'm nitpicking, but rants seldom get us anywhere so it's good to take a step back and try to look at everything objectively.
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Alright, you have a point there. Three things:
- SE support was fine, I got it back repaired after 3 weeks (christmas time, so 3 weeks is okay)
- I'm not telling to boycott SE. I am merely wondering why almost everything usable comes from these forums or HTC rips. I think it would be more fair to actually buy a HTC device when using all the TouchFlo stuff and things.
- The hardware itself is about the same with HTC/SE, but I think it's the software that makes it or breaks it... I hope SE will put more effort into it with the X2.

As HTC produce X1, I think HTC also responsible for firmware development on X1 too.
It is not so difficult to understand why support on HTC branded products is better than on X1, X1 is not their brand and X1 is their competitor.
It is not good for HTC to make X1 equal or better than their own products.

Meh, I have owned over 5 Sony Ericsson cell phones so far and have had no problems with them that is until I got the Xperia! Why is the most expensive Sony Ericsson phone I have owned the worst I have ever had? This phone is not worth the $1,300CAD+ that $147 import fee I paid for it. I have waited a while trying different roms and programs before saying anything bad about it because I had hope Sony would get their act together but now...
Like its embarrassing when one of my friends are testing my Xperia out and it freezes up on them when i tell them how much I paid for it lol... I’m wondering how many times have you guys had to hard reset your Xperia’s? My Xperia works great! When I’m not using it...

Xperia Software Updated... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475482

sad to hear but then again tweak and stuff is the thigs that will hold this phone up.. find workarounds and so forth.. developers might find alternative ways for the stuff people misses on the phone.. have some faith

Please call Sony's hotline and ask for WM 6.5

Dear Xperia-Users,
last week I called the german Sony hotline and asked the representative about the chances for WM 6.5 on X1. He said they are discussing it and it might happen.
To make SURE it happens I'd like to ask all of you to call your respective Hotline and inquire about WM 6.5 and tell them that you'd be delighted if they provided it for free.
Thank you,
J. Dähn, Hannover, Germany

Hi. I've sent an email to SE Spain asking for 6.5 update and telling that this will be a very good thing for Xperia owners. I tell also that if this is not made finally, that situation will making me consider other phone companies for my future device. I'll post their reply. Best regards.

I'm sure they know we all want a 6.5 update because we know they have their eye on this forum but i'll ring them when i get home and ask

I highly doubt they care, to be honest. They never had any customer support ever since the P800 came out.

Sfkn2 said:
I highly doubt they care, to be honest. They never had any customer support ever since the P800 came out.
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Same I doubt they give a crap, we paid for it who cares about after sales support!
again just my own opinion

They got our money and now they dont care but i the long run... they have lost a customer because their customer service is non-existant

Jasand said:
Same I doubt they give a crap, we paid for it who cares about after sales support!
again just my own opinion
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I think they care. They always think a step ahead. How about the following customer thought: "Oh nice - they care about their existing customers, I will buy again!"
Plust it will cost them almost nothing to do it - X2 which they actively work on has similar hardware - won't be a big of a deal to reuse the stuff for older X1, with some missing goodies of course (or why would you go and buy X2 )

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I'm sure they know we all want a 6.5 update because we know they have their eye on this forum but i'll ring them when i get home and ask
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they want all x1 user update to X2~

SE used to be a market leader, the forebearer of innovation. Now we have to beg for a update to 6.5 on X1?! Is this the P990 all over again? C'mon, I'd rather have them develope a new rom (maybe with 6.5) with a proper UI and not the useless panels! They need to give us some reason to want to support their future devices and last time I checked I'm not in the habit of begging!

I received yesterday their reply and they told me the same that they told to @joerg.daehn. They said they are discussing the update.
Best regards

From the horses mouth:
Thank you for contacting Sony Ericsson Xperia Support.
X1a will not be receiving an OS upgrade to 6.5. X2 a is going to be released soon with Windows mobile 6.5.
As part of Sony Ericsson's commitment to excellent customer service, we offer a wide variety of mobile products to suit your lifestyle. If you require more information, or have any other questions, please visit our website at SonyEricsson.com/X1 or call us at 1-877-7XPERIA.
Best regards,
Asim
Your Sony Ericsson Xperia Support Representative
Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications

Well, HTC is the next device then.

I sure wont get the X2 if they dont update x1 to 6.5 because it just shows their lack of support and if they treat x1 customers this way then the same is gonna go for x2...

my point exactly comeradealexi, the only reason why i am on the stock rom still is because i still have not found a clean rom (which i will be cooking as soon as i can find build 23017)
x1 support from SE was a pain, with panels that are still yet to be developed, i strongly believe x2 support will be the same...anyone want to buy my x1 feel free to contact me
why buy the x2 to get 6.5 when there are kitchens, chefs and roms?

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my point exactly comeradealexi, the only reason why i am on the stock rom still is because i still have not found a clean rom (which i will be cooking as soon as i can find build 23017)
x1 support from SE was a pain, with panels that are still yet to be developed, i strongly believe x2 support will be the same...anyone want to buy my x1 feel free to contact me
why buy the x2 to get 6.5 when there are kitchens, chefs and roms?
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my sentiments exactly, only reason why I'm hanging on to this baby is because I need find a suitable replacement. I dunno what to get, don't like htc cos they were instrumental in X1's poor build quality, nokia (nah!) to many cheap looking ****e (look at n97), apple - I dunno cos for a supposed smartphone it's not so smart - maybe if they change the design, throw in a hardwear keyboard and make the os customisable then a big maybe, samsung, lg, I just don't know cos I need something that's easy on the eye.

Plus HTC Support is not a dream either.
Not all of the devices will get the 6.5 upgrade.

Im not getting rid of the X1 just yet, well whenever I get it back that is
I hope many panels, programs and other goodies would be posted somewhere from the X2 so we can use them on our X1.
Does anyone get the impression:
X2 panels will onlly be compatable with X2, (or SE will make us think)
If not you may have to pay for new panels?
I hope the panels are put on SE site and can be downloaded to X1 and not specified to be X2 only. I just get the impression they will do this to try to force us to buy X2.
No facts here just opinion

I agree with your opinion.
X2 panels will not work with X1.
It looks like the people who bought X1 need to customize on their own or be satisfied with R3 and the pathetic panels that have been available.
I have officially given SE the last of my hard earned money.

Think we can just dump the complete x2 rom when it's released and get all cool stuff out of it and cook it in a nice custom rom(with wm 6.5)

if the panels do not work on the x1, i believe the panels will only work with the new panel manager which should work on the x1 with the respected drivers installed...
for SE not to give us the new panel manager is the worst thing they can do if the new panels cant work on the x1...i think that would be the worst kinda customer support a company can give...
do you think if apple changed dmg to dmh, then dmj, then dmk everytime they release a new version of their OS that their customer base would be as strong as it is?
thats why i dont like symbian that much either, i believe a system should be universal
who on earth want to buy a new xperia whenever new panels are introduced with a new xperia, for the sake of having the panels???? lets not hope this is the plan of SE

Anyone else think MS and HTC have let us down?

It seems to me that wm6.x is a dying OS.
I love my hd2 but i am now becoming concerned that no one is developing for it, especially in the games department.
Even adobe have dropped flash support saying that wm6.x lacks the API's they need.
With no official wm7 upgrade, we will all be relying on clever people here to get wm7 or android on are HD2's
All in all I feel very disappointed. Anyone else feel the same way?

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It seems to me that wm6.x is a dying OS.
I love my hd2 but i am now becoming concerned that no one is developing for it, especially in the games department.
Even adobe have dropped flash support saying that wm6.x lacks the API's they need.
With no official wm7 upgrade, we will all be relying on clever people here to get wm7 or android on are HD2's
All in all I feel very disappointed. Anyone else feel the same way?
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Yup, didn't expect the HD2 to get obsolete so fast especially considering the amount we paid for it. Really hoped HTC would do something to keep the HD2 feeling fresh during its 2 year lifespan, but they obviously don't care about costumer service at all.
As I understand it both Samsung and HTC are lacking in this department and then people wonder why people choose the iPhone over competing phones.
If it weren't for XDA I would have given up on WM much earlier.

HD2 is ,imho, a "business" platform which would have great gaming potential.
And yes, I agree that both MS and HTC seem not to care about existing customers - they have not understood the concept of doing "iBusiness". Means, understanding the own customers and offering products and solutions which are requested by those important stakeholders.
As the posting before mine mentioned, Samsung is not better at all - they never understood customers. And I know what I am talking about...
I think even if WP7 is going more into the "iBiz" direction, it will not really succeed the way Apple did. Android will fill there. But, you never know. MS will try to move some XBox success over to the mobile platform...
In the sum, I knew about all this when I bought my HD2. In the past, I rarely used any device for more than 2 years - in this case, probably summer 2011, with iPhone 5G and Android "3rd generation", I will take my next choice... until then, I am perfectly fine with my HD2, thanks to xda.

wish34 said:
It seems to me that wm6.x is a dying OS.
I love my hd2 but i am now becoming concerned that no one is developing for it, especially in the games department.
Even adobe have dropped flash support saying that wm6.x lacks the API's they need.
With no official wm7 upgrade, we will all be relying on clever people here to get wm7 or android on are HD2's
All in all I feel very disappointed. Anyone else feel the same way?
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Yes i am afraid thats is true..you have been uber-mugged...Thank the god there is xda...and quite honestly, here you can find anything you could want(more or less) that MSFT or HTC would even sweat getting for their customers..HTC being the lesser of the 2 evil since they built this beat and beauty at the same time AND covering so effectively the visual hiddeousness of 6.x platform (visually wise)..You are not on your own, you have the greatest community ever by your side but fact remains , your purchase alone was a money drain (if you do exclude xda and take it as a winmo phone)

i bought hd2 few months ago knowing now what i ignored then about windows 6,.5 dying i would never have bought it but thanks to xda people they gave it the extra mile that was lacking and made it look way more beautiful ,like co0kies tabs, 3G switch in comm manager,and the most beautiful skins from diniks ,what else would you want ?

this sound awfull... cell phone brands leaving their customers on their own or leiving them to a community they dont control..... (don't miss understand me, XDA rocks)
But that kind of brand "policies"... S*ck
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Even a cheap chinese cell phone like "Ciphone" has it's own community to help users, give updates and apps. Cifans forum. I had the c6 and that community did a great job for me. HTC did a lot less...

Its true, I do love my HD2 very much, but if it wasn't for XDA Developers, I really would have gone for a android device instead. I am just pleased that custom ROMs, Cookie's Home Tab and MaxManila are doing so well. The reasons for not providing WP7 as an upgrade are quite poor and is something that HTC and MS can easily sort out together but are just deciding not to - I reckon anyway.

gmatharu12 said:
Its true, I do love my HD2 very much, but if it wasn't for XDA Developers, I really would have gone for a android device instead. I am just pleased that custom ROMs, Cookie's Home Tab and MaxManila are doing so well. The reasons for not providing WP7 as an upgrade are quite poor and is something that HTC and MS can easily sort out together but are just deciding not to - I reckon anyway.
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The main reason that they dont is that they have set very high gaming standards for the wp7 devices for the xbox live plans they got and snapdragon's fill rate is very low to fit their needs.

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The main reason that they dont is that they have set very high gaming standards for the wp7 devices for the xbox live plans they got and snapdragon's fill rate is very low to fit their needs.
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I can understand that. Fair enough, well now I am about to flash a new ROM, I really want to try messing with MaxManila's new interface. Yeah, the HD2 may never see a fully working WP7, but as long as I have the HD2 - I don't think I'll ever get bored of messing with WM6.5/6.5.3/etc, flashing ROMs, and so on. haha. Talking about the gaming standards, I am looking forward to what developers come up with.

This is true and I hate that no sites have had the balls to post about this fact. It's just something both companies I guess feel they DON'T have to take care of and don't feel it's any loss anger a few customers about this issue. The hardware issue is such bull**** in my opinion. This isn't the first time there were phones with different hardware. Simply make some apps for certain phones and obviously the higher end apps will support the higher end phones. The games has been a big issue, but nothing really to care about. FPSECE covers most of that. As far as XDA while I do love the site and it does develop a lot of new and unique things for the HD2 recently it's mostly been custom UIs that are just flooding the HD2 section.

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The main reason that they dont is that they have set very high gaming standards for the wp7 devices for the xbox live plans they got and snapdragon's fill rate is very low to fit their needs.
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snapdragon 1ghz cpu is the miniumum standard for Wp7 isnt it?
I would have thought the HD2 opengles was fast enough....oc better drivers
would help as chainfire has allready shown...xda to the rescue again
My point is this is the fastest cpu /phone ive ever used, its capable of far better games perfomance, but as winmo 6.5 phone its never going to see any
games such as gameloft ashphalt 5
There are several games out there that should be updated such as Cod2 and thps2, these would sell to the HD2 comunity and i doubt it would be that difficult or expensive for EA and the like to get these older tittles working

" Anyone else think MS and HTC have let us down? "
nope, can't say I do.

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That would make a seriously good topic title.

htc has let us all down.. look at sony ericsson, they have hundreds of apps and the xperia x2 is getting official rom updates now.. which feature WinMo 6.5.x (start button positioned down). it it weren't for xda, i would have used my hd2 as a weapon to injure people! Screw u MS and HTC.

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htc has let us all down.. look at sony ericsson, they have hundreds of apps and the xperia x2 is getting official rom updates now.. which feature WinMo 6.5.x (start button positioned down). it it weren't for xda, i would have used my hd2 as a weapon to injure people! Screw u MS and HTC.
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Have you used an xperia x2 lately? It is slow as a snail compared with the HD2.
It shouldn't be long until they (yes the xda gods) port us android. Windows is and will always be rubbish.
Look on the bright side, the EVO is coming so soooon.

HTC's total failure
not only HTC let us down but make us to feel as idiots that just financed their stupid OS selection by buying HD2. Personally i am wont participate in other their action, will trow away HTC HD2 (and just because the WM...otherwise i like it!) and will never ever buy another HTC product. For now the market is full with alternatives.

NO, because anyone who has done research before buying the phone would already know this. I did, and i bought it anyway, because xda will always help when ms and htc wont.

If you look through other HTC phone models on XDA, you will find that very often when the forum has come up with good ideas, and there has been a lot of interest in them, HTC (who read this forum), take it on board and add the idea to their official updates.
So if a large percentage of HD2 owners say they are dumping their HD2 phones, why should HTC bother with updates?
If you do not like your HD2 phone, or MS software, hard luck, don't complain to XDA. The forum did not twist your arm to buy it.
You would not buy a car or computer, without checking its performance first, so why buy a phone without checking its performance first.

se1988 said:
NO, because anyone who has done research before buying the phone would already know this. I did, and i bought it anyway, because xda will always help when ms and htc wont.
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I did my research there but I bought my HD2 when I read somewhere it can be upgraded to WP7. A few weeks after I bought it, well...the bad news came up.
I really like the looks and feel of the HD2 but I'm wishing HTC can give us end users an option which OS to use. I'd grab Android anytime. But hey, in a sense, MS let me down but not as much as HTC did.

ofc till xda is here and members have free time to solve problems occurring because of WM and HTC carelessness.
and pls can u explain here how u mek market research on usage of totally new phone on the market. (if u are in the 1st buyers list). i am just curious!
and still believe that companies must have responsibilities to their customers!