Hello Thread,
Ive had AT&T for over 4 years and i have purchased an htc hd and htc hd 2 overseas unlocked, but ive never been hable to use them as phones on AT&T because since thei are smartphones i get charged 30$ a month. I NEVER use anything else than wifi, and even DISCONECED any kind of internet service for my family plan, but still it dosnt matter.
AT&T will not let me use my phones unless i have a data plan, i donot want to pay fr this service since i dont use it.
There is no point of buying an unlocked full priced phone, if i am obligated to do this.
Please does anybody have a solucion for this? maybe change my IMEI?
Thanks in advance
I would tell you get an TMOUS HD2 (should have an IMEI not in AT&T's records) off ebay, but recently I saw someone having problems with a different carrier's HD2 (or was it TP2?) being automatically switched to a smartphone plan. Someone can surely provide more infomation.
I think changing IMEIs is outright impossible though. Or at least not really practical.
jdwrrzmm said:
I think changing IMEIs is outright impossible though. Or at least not really practical.
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not impossible, but impractical and very illegal.
jdwrrzmm said:
I would tell you get an TMOUS HD2 (should have an IMEI not in AT&T's records) off ebay, but recently I saw someone having problems with a different carrier's HD2 (or was it TP2?) being automatically switched to a smartphone plan. Someone can surely provide more infomation.
I think changing IMEIs is outright impossible though. Or at least not really practical.
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Thanks for the reply! but i already purchased the international version, because i can flash anything to it, TMOUS has limits on what can you flash to it.
I suggested the IMEI because i cant think of another way to avoid AT&T from finding i have a smartphone, its incredible to me that being that i have totally disconected my internet on te phone, they will still make me pay 30$ a month to have unlimited plan, it will en up being way more than what i payed for the phone in the end of the contract.
Anybody got another idea???
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Thanks for the reply! but i already purchased the international version, because i can flash anything to it, TMOUS has limits on what can you flash to it.
I suggested the IMEI because i cant think of another way to avoid AT&T from finding i have a smartphone, its incredible to me that being that i have totally disconected my internet on te phone, they will still make me pay 30$ a month to have unlimited plan, it will en up being way more than what i payed for the phone in the end of the contract.
Anybody got another idea???
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get a free non-data phone and voice plan from AT&T....then take the SIM card out of it and put it into your HD2
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get a free non-data phone and voice plan from AT&T....then take the SIM card out of it and put it into your HD2
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Thank you for you reply!
I actually do have a non smartphone RZRV9 and am using it on a voice plan, but the problem is that when i was renewing my contract i asked AT&T representatives, various ones, and them not knowwing who i was, and the told me the same:
¨even if you donot have an active internet conection on your phone, and we find out that you are using a smartphone, even if the sim is inserted for a short amount of time, the 30$ a month will be added to your account with ought notice¨
My reaction was WTF??????? are you kidding me?
How can i use my unlocked, international version htc hd 2 and htc hd (that i only use wifi with , again i dont have an internet data conection) as an actual phone? with ought at&t charging me for having a smartphone?
please help
They can't do that, tell them if they don't fix it you will move to t-mobile, i would.
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They can't do that, tell them if they don't fix it you will move to t-mobile, i would.
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If you upgraded to a new phone or renewed or opened or otherwise extended a contract after November 2009, they have every right to do it. It's become a very explicit part of the contract since then. The only way out of the contract is still to pay those fat ETFs.
If they detect the phones you own as smartphones there is no recourse except to eat the data package price or dump the phones. They will always be detected in the system as smartphones, and the appropriate plan will always be appended for the unlucky owner.
AT&T has the IMEIs of all AWS Nexus Ones and likely most TMOUS HD2s. I know a number of people with TMOUS HD2s who have been automatically provisioned onto the $30 smartphone plan while on AT&T.
It is exceptionally unusual that an international phone would be detected as a smartphone by AT&T's system. I would question the history of the phone.
Yeah, I've been running an imported european HD2 on AT&T for a while and have had no problems with automatic smartphone data plan. Before this I was auto data planned by AT&T with a Nokia E71x. I thought the rule was that AT&T could only mandate data plans on phones they sold.
oh man! that's ridiculous. Then what's the point of buying straight out with full price on the phone? If you buy a smartphone with full price or from other third party and doesnt stick with any contact, you should be good to go. They can't force or longer require you to pay the web service of $30/month. The reason that they force you to pay the data plan is because of the instant discount when you buy a phone with new/extend contact.
You know one thing that i noticed that was just crazy for me, was that if you think about it, any AT&T provided phone that is able to use wifi (to pick up in hotspots, withought having to pay) Is a smartphone, thus it MUST have a 30$ a month plan! :-0! whats the point of wifi?????!! to get a little faster internet maybe, but you are paying for your phone plan anyways? why use wifi?
It dosnt make sense and it is not fair to the consumer, especially when the sales representatives tells you ¨Oh yeah, the reason we add the plan is because since you have a phone that uses alot of internet, it is unfair to others to take away their data, so you need an unlimited plan¨ there are alot of problems with that right there:
1) If i do use the internet on the cellphone and consume alot, and have no unlimited data plan then i am going to pay aloooooooooooooooooooooot of money to use it because the prices are incredibly rediculous, so why is my carrier complaning? I SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE IF I WANT TO PAY OR NOT.
2) If in MY CASE i have my internet completely and utterly disconnected, and never plan on adding it on, then how am i consuming internet from others??....
Anymore thoughts?
Thank you
And what if you buy a european version (or doesn't that work?)
My phone said it can use this bands
850,900,1800,1900,2100
I don't know wich are used in the usa.
if you change sim cards to a cheap phone and change the data plans.... they will allow you..
but once you change back into hd2... not only will they INSTANTLY change your plan back the second they notice (it varies... sometimes it takes a couple hours... sometimes it takes a couple months.. BUT IN THE END...THEY ALWAYS FIND OUT) but you are also in a direct breach of your contract...... if you were one of the extremely few people who actually read the small print at the bottom of contract.. it states something along the lines of.. bla bla bla attempting to use companies service without direct notification.. bla bla bla.. waives users service rights bla bla bla...
so yea.. the way i see it... if you want to use a phone like the hd2... might as well get the plan... if you want a phone for a phone.. just stick to the good ol flip phones... you'll save a fortune.. and it doesn't make any sense otherwise...
What's wrong with getting a phone for a phone that is Windows Mobile based? Not everyone is interested in using internet on the go.
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if you change sim cards to a cheap phone and change the data plans.... they will allow you..
but once you change back into hd2... not only will they INSTANTLY change your plan back the second they notice (it varies... sometimes it takes a couple hours... sometimes it takes a couple months.. BUT IN THE END...THEY ALWAYS FIND OUT) but you are also in a direct breach of your contract...... if you were one of the extremely few people who actually read the small print at the bottom of contract.. it states something along the lines of.. bla bla bla attempting to use companies service without direct notification.. bla bla bla.. waives users service rights bla bla bla...
so yea.. the way i see it... if you want to use a phone like the hd2... might as well get the plan... if you want a phone for a phone.. just stick to the good ol flip phones... you'll save a fortune.. and it doesn't make any sense otherwise...
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AT&T doesn't have a huge repertoire of IMEIs they recognize. The ones that are most at-risk are AT&T-branded phones, AWS Google Nexus Ones, and T-Mobile-branded phones. This is why I find the original poster's predicament extremely unusual. I am able to use my own HD2 with a dumbphone plan ($30 unlimited texting and data package) and it works perfectly. Moreover I get access to AT&T's HSDPA which the OP does not.
Threaten to leave if they add the $30 data plan to your account. Phone carriers do all kinds of crazy stuff when you say you are going to their rivals. Do not however think about tampering with your IMEI. It is illegal.
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Threaten to leave if they add the $30 data plan to your account. Phone carriers do all kinds of crazy stuff when you say you are going to their rivals.
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True, but it is beyond their power to drop the data charges from what is a detected smartphone. It has been explicitly in the terms of service since November of last year.
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AT&T doesn't have a huge repertoire of IMEIs they recognize. The ones that are most at-risk are AT&T-branded phones, AWS Google Nexus Ones, and T-Mobile-branded phones. This is why I find the original poster's predicament extremely unusual. I am able to use my own HD2 with a dumbphone plan ($30 unlimited texting and data package) and it works perfectly. Moreover I get access to AT&T's HSDPA which the OP does not.
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I second what is stated here. I have been switching phones for some time. I have had the T9193 since January on the non smartphone data plan. ATT has no idea what phone I am using. Phones stated above would be the danger phones. Evidentally the previous owner of your T8585 reported the IMEI to ATT. That is the only way they know you have a smartphone.
I have a tmo version of hd2 and it shows up as blackberry 7290. The rep I spoke to thinks it's because the imei of the tmo hd2 has "similar patters" to those old blackberrys.
This is very much unusual, as i though euro ver would not get recognized at all. i have not seen a single thread re: this issue for the euro ver, whereas I've seen a handful for the tmous ver.
Since when did corporations care about whether our products were stolen? There subsidize model is under attack and they've found a new scam to charge us more. It's like being charged more for gas if I drive a cadillac and less if I drive a Prius. I bought my phone without their subsidy or contract. It has nothing to do with them. It's a GSM cell phone and I want to pay for service. Why should I be charged more for the kind of phone I'm using. If I use more data OK, but it isn't a certain that I'll use more just because I have a smartphone. And the whole IMEI # nonsense is bull%$^#$. The IMEI is nothing more than a serial number. It's not the KI #. it's not about cloning or finding terrorists or anything else. It's about these orifices subsidized model being threatened by people buying there own phones and so some clever master of bull&&*# administration has figured out a new gimmick.
*this post should in no way be construed to be condoning imei changing. it's illegal.
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hey guys starting the 20 of this month most data plans will be changed... lots of things are happening and the worst part is now the customer will be held liable for data used under the wrong plan so for all the people i have helped over the past couple and the people on the media max plan months PLEASE PM me so i can change things for you come the 20th. i just found out about these changes today and also you will no longer be able to add medianet unlimited or mediamax plans with a PDA IMEI... again if you have a mediamax plan you will be held liable for any and all data usage on a "wrong feature" if you have the 39.99 pda plan or any media max plan PM on or after the 20th so i can make sure that you dont get screwed over by the company... also while im at it please do not PM because you went over on something and need credit on your account.. please just PM me if you need me to make changes to your account also if your going to PM me the things i need right off the bat are
PHONE NUMBER!!!!!
the name of the account
and the last four of the social..
... im not very active on the board but i always try to reply to my PM's...
Umm, What?
Do you work for att or something. How you going to make changes to my account? Does this affect plans that have been grandfathered over from cingular? I would expect some sort of message from ATT before i got charged ANYTHING extra. i already pay 79.95 a month. If i get screwed there will be hell to pay for ATT.
Ummm
Anybody that posts private info here should be shot. Call AT&T...
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Umm, What?
Do you work for att or something. How you going to make changes to my account? Does this affect plans that have been grandfathered over from cingular? I would expect some sort of message from ATT before i got charged ANYTHING extra. i already pay 79.95 a month. If i get screwed there will be hell to pay for ATT.
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Anybody that posts private info here should be shot. Call AT&T...
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n00bs! Use the search bar!
Yeah he does. He changed plans around for people here so that they could use the 19.99 MEdiaMax plan on their 8525. Pretty nice of him, made it easy for those who wished to do so. I did it by myself on the internet site and I had it for close to a year...actually I just cancelled it and installed nodata so that I could save a few pennies (financial situations...)
Anyway, you're fine. If you have the correct plan for your phone then no worries...it's for us that gave the fist to AT&T and paid for a cell phone data plan on a PDA.
@Gynga...
Man that sucks! I've heard about the IMEI sweeps before but I never had a problem. All the people that did get caught just played naive and got credited back... Looks like you've got some work to do!
The good news I think is that some of the plans went down by 5 bucks or so...
I guess when I go back to using cell data I've got to get the official plan.... bummer...
Why can't you just **cough**change your IMEI to an old broken phone you have laying around**cough**?
AT&T
More power to you broth'a. AT&T has just swallowed up my hometown wireless carrier Edge Wireless, and i am totally not looking forward to their grip on data and squeezing us customers for every fraction of change they can get
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n00bs! Use the search bar!
Yeah he does. He changed plans around for people here so that they could use the 19.99 MEdiaMax plan on their 8525. Pretty nice of him, made it easy for those who wished to do so. I did it by myself on the internet site and I had it for close to a year...actually I just cancelled it and installed nodata so that I could save a few pennies (financial situations...)
Anyway, you're fine. If you have the correct plan for your phone then no worries...it's for us that gave the fist to AT&T and paid for a cell phone data plan on a PDA.
@Gynga...
Man that sucks! I've heard about the IMEI sweeps before but I never had a problem. All the people that did get caught just played naive and got credited back... Looks like you've got some work to do!
The good news I think is that some of the plans went down by 5 bucks or so...
I guess when I go back to using cell data I've got to get the official plan.... bummer...
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thanks for the support on the matter and yes data plans are droppi9ng the new PDA unlimited will be 30 but have no messaging andif you do want messaging its now 5 bux more than it was before... also the 5mb of data will be taken away so starting on the 20th it will be 1500 messages for 15 bux.. in my opinion the customer is getting screwed over on this one. i think that the changes were made to stop reps from flipping features there have been alot of internal changes to stop the flipping going on everywhere it sucks cuz i can still be flipped and get chargebacks but if i flip i dont get paid... oh well al good things must come to an end... to be fair if the people i helped out wanna make the changes come the 20th they will have first priority... but everyone that PM's me will get helped....
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Why can't you just **cough**change your IMEI to an old broken phone you have laying around**cough**?
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they've updated thesystem so that even tho you have an old IMEI on the system we know what you are really using kinda sucks i was about to put myself on the mediamax plan as well for my treo... if you guys have the data only plan thats 39.99 PM me also i'll drop it down when the price plans change.. remember tis better to help a brotha out then to go online and do it yourself where no1 but ATT gets paid for it
please help me spread the word by posting this on the other phone model boards as weel or if i can even get an admin to sticky my first post on the boards so ppl know and get screwed over hard i would really appreciate your help
Okay what about the Unlimited smartphone would we have problems with that? I just want to make sure I don't spend an extra $20 if I don't have to.
When I got my MDA I went to a Kiosk where a friend works and he added MediaMax + Unlimited M2M txt for for a certain amount. That Kiosk is no longer there but the plan was added by an ATT Employee and not by me online, will my plan still change on the 20th? If so I'll have an MDA and an 8525 for sale shortly. I'll get out of the PDA phone market completely and buy a Shine or some other trendy slide phone.
Ok i have a question. The screen the at&t people use at the store and when I call in show me having my old samsung d807. I had the unlimited data $20 plan on that phone. I bought my 8525 out right about 8 months ago and have been using it ever since and the at&t people still see my d807. So are you saying soon they will see my 8525? i switch back and forth between the 2 phones every week. I use the d807 if Im going out for a night of hard partying and usally keep the sim in till the battery dies. How will at&t know which phone Im using if they dont know right now?
So if I am reading this right, this will only affect people that are on any of the Media Bundle plans not the people that are on the PDA plans?
Is this correct?
Gary
I think I was misunderstood... Say I have an old broken RAZR, If I were to CHANGE the IMEI on my 8525 to the one from my RAZR, would AT&T still know which phone I was using?
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I think I was misunderstood... Say I have an old broken RAZR, If I were to CHANGE the IMEI on my 8525 to the one from my RAZR, would AT&T still know which phone I was using?
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Att has a database of most (if not all) the IMEIs they have sold in stores/online. This can be confirmed by checking your online account. Anytime I change my sim into an ATT branded phone, it automatically updates on the account. The good news is that they can't tell foreign identifier, like my HTC TyTN, so as far as they are concerned - I have a razr. Their data plans are still absurd. The fact that the 3G network does not support video calls is also absurd. They milk the ignorant consumers for any $ they can. Go figure.
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Att has a database of most (if not all) the IMEIs they have sold in stores/online. This can be confirmed by checking your online account. Anytime I change my sim into an ATT branded phone, it automatically updates on the account. The good news is that they can't tell foreign identifier, like my HTC TyTN, so as far as they are concerned - I have a razr. Their data plans are still absurd. The fact that the 3G network does not support video calls is also absurd. They milk the ignorant consumers for any $ they can. Go figure.
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I work for AT&T too. The 3G network does support video calls but you need the right phone to do it. I'm pretty sure the sync, a737, and the slim can do it. But of course, you have too add it onto your plan. From what I've been told, WM6 was suppose to let us do video calls also, but I haven't seen it yet.
And Gyngabread Man, my hat is off to you, way to tap the feature market!
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I work for AT&T too. The 3G network does support video calls but you need the right phone to do it. I'm pretty sure the sync, a737, and the slim can do it. But of course, you have too add it onto your plan. From what I've been told, WM6 was suppose to let us do video calls also, but I haven't seen it yet.
And Gyngabread Man, my hat is off to you, way to tap the feature market!
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hey gotta make money somehow right and also i dont wanna see fellow modders get screwed by the up coming chages........ OK READ THIS CAREFULLY!!!!!!!! IF YOU ARE USING A PDA AND ARE ON A MEDIANET PLAN.... YOU WILL BE CHARGED... IF YOU HAVE A NORMAL PHONE REFLECTED ON YOUR ACCOUNT UT ARE USING A PDA ON A MEDIANET PLAN YOU WILL BE CHARGED!!!!! DAMMIT !!!!!!!! PLEASE STOP ASKING QUESTION THAT I ANSWERED IN MY FIRST POST. as for the smartphone i honestly dont know.. but all the old plans are going to be grandfathered so if you have it you will stay on it but you will be charged....3G DOES SUPPORT VIDEO CALLS PLEASE LOOK UP THE FACTS BEFORE GETTING ANGRY AND POSTING.. ITS CALLED VIDEO SHARE AND IT ROCKS!!!!!!!!!! i do it on my BJ1 and SYNC
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Hey thanks for the heads up! I have an iphone as well as my 8525 and i switch them out regulary, the sim card. Is there anything you can do for the iphone?
Thanks
I bought a PDA unlimited plan for 39.99, AT&T charged me but didn't put me on the plan, then sends me a bill for $1700 for one month of using the 8525 on the medianet plan! After initialy saying they can't do anything about it, when I screamed and shouted at them, they finally cancelled the charges.
Then the same problem happened the next month!
I'm now living in dread of the third bill.
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Att has a database of most (if not all) the IMEIs they have sold in stores/online. This can be confirmed by checking your online account. Anytime I change my sim into an ATT branded phone, it automatically updates on the account. The good news is that they can't tell foreign identifier, like my HTC TyTN, so as far as they are concerned - I have a razr. Their data plans are still absurd. The fact that the 3G network does not support video calls is also absurd. They milk the ignorant consumers for any $ they can. Go figure.
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I don't think you're right there - I bought a 3125 when I switched to AT&T - the only phone "they know" I have. However, everytime I switch the sim to my HTC TyTN (Not the 8525 - the TyTN) it automatically updates and reads I have an 8525 - it's strange though - it almost never updates the otherway - I can have the sim in the 3125 for a week and my online account will still read I'm using an 8525 - I think there system is designed to show you using the phone which has the greatest possible data consumption possible so they can bilk you on plans or something
Switch to T-Mobile -- Get a Mac
Ok just joking about getting a mac.
here in canada as many already knows data plans prices are off the roof. However, they recently came out with a $30 for 6g data plan which i find reasonable for canada. (since the land lines internet has a cap itself then wireless is hard not to have cap) but the only problem is, unlike the flex data plans, they claim that this data plan will not work with pc cards, so that does mean it wouldnt work with the htc shift? on the other hand, this same plan will for sure work for windows mobile. so my question is, is there a way to use vista's side wireless data making the computer think that its hooked up with a modem which will be the windows mobile side?
That is the beauty with the shift. If it works in a pda phone, it should work in the shift. I also have a data card that is supposed to be used with a pda phone but i use it in my shift. The vista side basically taps into the WM side and borrows the data connection from the phone. That is also why SMS and other "phone like" features work on the shift.
The short anser is yes, it should work just fine.
o wow, thats great to hear, o basicly you're saying shift uses the hspa network through the wm side without needing to link it up ourselves. so unlike other umpc, we wouldnt need a pc card data plan to work, as long as it works for wm then shift will run just fine. but disreguard of all the good news, canada still sucks with the capping.
data plans
are you able to get 6 GB data plan from Rogers and use it on shift?
I have a Shift and use PDA Net to connect to Telus
for $30 I would consider a Rogers connection
Even better would to use wife; on snapview
yes, you should be able to use the 6gb data plan from rogers on the shift. According to x5-rwk, the vista side of shift uses the wm side as a modem for hspa meaning rogers will assume that u're using the data for windows mobile which is allowed. Moreover, I have also comfirmed with some rogers rep that the data plan works for ALL devices expect pc cards. but i guess as long as okay on windows mobile, we're good to go
Rogers Data
Thank You for the update.
The final question. what about voice, do you need a voice plan to get 6GB data plan?
I have HTC Touch on Telus and have unlimited data for $15 and voice plan, I would not want a Rogers voice plan as well.
Any suggestions?
Thank You
Dave
No you do not need to get a voice plan with it. As since Shift doesn't have voice calling and the fact that rogers launched the shift already themselves. however, i am still unclear on if there will be a $10 fee per month to maintain the account. That fee is meanly for people who wants to open a plan with nothing, no minutes or price plan. However, as since the 6gb data is an option, the $10 fee may apply. Too bad you can't use your telus phone to hook up to the shift and use it as a modem since the $15 is limited. What you want to get is a lot like what i want to get too. So I've been looking at the price plans for a while thinking about it.
Currently I'm with fido (which luckily has the same data plans as rogers). After being in a contract with them for 3 years and loyal customer for 4, they said they can knock $10 off my plan. But since the shift can't have voice, i'm looking into getting the iphone to run it as a modem, sounds stupid and all but best i can do with a small buget. Or another thought would be to get a cheap family plan, for fido, all the family minutes is sheared (rogers has pool of minutes + each line's own) so if you add data plan for shift on one line and the other line only for voice, that works cuz you'll have too much minutes to use from a pool of family minutes into one line. Lol So i'll advice on waiting if you can. The offer for 6gb will be up till end of aug thus theres a high chance of back to school offers will be launch mean while. moreover, i'll try to stay in touch with my buddy who works at rogers see what kind of under table offeres he can give me.
ps: in case you're wondering, the 6gb data option does not allow data pooling which sucks.
Roger Data
Thank You for the update.
When Rogers announced the new data plans, I went to a Rogers store, they told me I could not use 6GB plan on Shift.
I sounds like I need to be vague with Rogers when signing up for plan so they think I am using on unlocked windows mobile device.
Did you advise Roger your intention to use data for Shift?
Can I get 6GB plan for unlocked phone?
As for the Telus and using Touch as modem, I can and haved used it to connect, I do not think the Snapview side can use the Touch as modem.
I do have to be careful, tethering is not included in data plan, I have to use PDAnet to get under the radar screen.
If Apple offers the ability to use iPhone 3G as modem, that would be excellent for you, I am still guessing you will need additional solution for Snapview side of Shift (can you remove SIM from iPhone as install in Shift, that would be ideal for you)
I also have AT&T Pay as you Go for US, unlimited data for 30 days for $20, I activate when I travel to US.
Thank You
Dave
PS: If you move to Telus, they have Touch Diamond coming, you can use PDAnet and tether for unlimited data for better deal!!!!
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I called Rogers to ask about data plan.
After being on hold and transferred numerous times, I was advised I needed a voice plan to get the $30 data plan.
Cheepjing, if you have any further information as to how to get the $30 data plan even if I have to pay an extra $10, I would be very appreciative of the assistance.
Dave
I have thought about switching to telus many times. Mainly since they have the thought of adding GSM before the olympics in canada. Too bad nothing have been comfirmed yet and I know its a fact its gonna cost them way too much to do so. Maybe Kodoo is making them enough for that plan, who knows. lol. But anyways.
Back to the point of rogers. Most of the agents on the phone are not well trained. I can bet 90% of people on this site who lives in canada knows more than most of the reps they have at the call center. I'm sure the agent advised you to get a voice plan cuz of two main reasons. 1: he/she has no freaken clue on why or what you want. 2: after asking his/her manager, they were advised to just sign you up for something and maybe they'll get a sale too! So far, i'm almost 100% sure you can just open a line with rogers for $10 with no voice and just add the 6gb option. Just the matter of the sales you talk to if he/she is dying for a sale or not then most likely they'll just force you into something you don't want. Thus, my advise would be, just wait for a few weeks if you can. Mean while, i'll ask the other rogers reps i know. Just to give you heads up, most likely i'll find a chinese sales since those are the only ones i know. lol. I'm going to wait till aug before i ask for some rogers plans for the end of summer cuz even if i ask know they know very little. But as back to school comes closer, more info will be release.
now side track a bit, damn i wish that rogers/fido offers two sim in one number or something. If there are anyone here who has or knows people who can do that let me know! I guess my best chance is still family plan, gotta somehow think of a way to bypass their system a bit.
Moreover, rumors says rogers maybe launching the touch pro or diamond.
Cut Off Date 6GB
Hi Cheapjing,
Thank You
Is the cut off date for 6GB plan end of Aug or Aug 6th?
Dave
the offer stops end of aug. mind if i ask where u get aug 6th from?
Aug6th
I thought I read it in Toronto Star somewhere, I am wrong.
Dave
hey, just comfirmed with fido that offer ends aug 31st. also, i'd also asked about not getting voice but data only plan from them (since rogers and fido offers the same data plans now) they told me that u can get a base plan of $15 which includes system access fee (6.95) and 911 fee (50cents) and then add on a 6gb option on top of that. catch is, it must be on a three year contract good and i'm not too too sure if u'll be able to get that as a new costumer but then again, it wouldnt be too too hard to get a frd whos with fido to open a new line in the same account for that plan and then transfer that line to ur name one or two months down the road. also, this plan cannot be purchases at any retail store, u'll have to call rentention department for that. good news is, since u'll be signing a 3 year contract for that, might as well get an iphone 3g for the 3 year contract price and resell it back out, or gift it, or use it as a mouse for your shift! lmao. choice is your's, i'll sure let you know on any updates with going around the data plans.
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I will call Fido and ask for retention dept. I will likely wait until middle of Aug, I am waiting for Telus to release EVDO Rev A update for HTC Touch.
My issues are simple:
Is $45/month worth it to have SIM Card in Shift vs the 3 min it takes to connect Touch via PDAnet and use as modem, this is as long as Telus does not charge me for tethering.
Telus has the HTC Touch Diamond coming out, would I rather pay upgrade for Touch Diamond or purchase iPhone
with DAVE and Globalive winning spectrum, when will Rogers/Fido lower their data prices, if I am locked into a 3 year contract with Fido, will they lower prices for existing contracts when other GSM carriers enter market?
One other thing I have is once I liberate Shift, there is a way to use Wifi with Snapview (need Vista on/battery drain)
Since I have the Touch, it provides me all the Windows Mobile capabilities I need in Canada and I use Snapview in US with AT&T MediaNet service @ $20/month for unlimited data (I can add feature when needed, based on having pre paid plan with AT&T).
I am leaning towards not moving on the Fido plan for the above reasons, if it was $30 and only system access fee and not a long term contract or if Fido/Rogers offered data on pre-paid plans I would consider.
I also have to consider my past experience with Rogers, they truly suck at customer service, I understand Fido is pretty good, however, I am not sure if I want to contribute to the 300 plus million profit Rogers earned. I also have friends who have contracts with Rogers that Rogers lied/changed.
i fully understand what you're worried about. However, like you said with Globalive winning a high amount (while in the end it was still rogers who took the most spending just under 1billion) thinking deeper into it, yes, they should drop their prices. But once again, after spending that amount of money how much are they willing to drop prices by? nevertheless, they already knew that they were gonna blow 1billion away before where as i'm sure that was one of the main reason to wanting to launch the iphone with choppy data plans. and with new companies coming in, yes they will drop the price, but on data? highly unlikely. if a new company was to come into the three way battle, its hard for them to start up with both voice and data. personally, i love fido. though rogers is kind of effecting fido's customer's services, in the end, they are still the best i've had out of so many other places i called for help.
Either ways, personally, i would go on with what u had in mind as long as telus does not charge u extra. reason being, the longer you stay with a company and then call to have upgrades, the better deals you'll get. i've been with fido for 4 years now with two lines. my main line's price went from $50+ (150day, unlimited eve, fido-rogers free +plus all the junk) now it went down to $28 after tax with everything i need and a little bit more. took me a while to get a deal like that, were as i'm sure telus can do the same since i've heard some frds of mine who's been with telus for long and now have really really cheap plans. but in the end, that is all about the voice plans. in order for us to afford fair data plans, we'll need cheap voice. in the end, rogers should go right into the trash can unless you get ur plans for like $10 from your work place and or able to retention a $15 plan where i've seen happening but its one of those dont try it urself risks. luckily fido started having data plans. (i'm a apple hater somewhat) but it was all because of them thats why now we have cheaper plans so, good stuff. lol
if you ask me, is paying $45 for 6 gb on shift worth it, my answer is no. unless you're always on the go online, which cannot happen since shift has short battery life. other options includes investing a little on the side. you've heard of the unplugged dsl, right? offered by both rogers and bell. that could work in the car too (as i heard) costing almost the same price with 4 more gb of data but, limited to when u're near a power supply. on the side, you can always use your touch to modem up with ur shift. but in the end, will rogers drop the hspa data prices? i'll recommand not to have hopes up though in canada people knows how to complain, but they have no clue what they were complaining about to begin with. wait till mid aug and see, we still have some time.
on the side note, if only the us cdma shift can make it work here with telus or bell. if so, i'll really think about it. maybe i should read up on that. ha
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Hi,
I agree with you 100% on almost everything.
I may call Fido to see if they can cut me a deal for the 6GB plan for convenience, I would be willing to pay around $40, for Fido, they get a brand new customer for 3 years.
BTW, I have a friend who used to work at Rogers as a executive, he told me Rogers rapes their customers on long distance (they use their own backhaul network to carry voice), LD calls cost Rogers same as local calls.
Rogers screws their customers on data because if you have GSM device, you have only one choice.
On the subject of CDMA Shift, Bell and Telus will not allow any ESN (Electronic Serial Numbers) that they do not sell on their networks.
I do think you will see competition on data from Globalive, maybe Quebecor and maybe DAVE, the money backing Globalive has 70 million wireless users globally and have the better clout than Rogers with Erisson and handset manufacturers to build a network more cost effectively than Rogers. They can also use current technology like Dragonwave for backhaul or Wi-Max to lower their costs.
In the short term, they will have to sign roaming agreements with Rogers, however, they will be able to offer more affordable voice and data.
If these new entrants do not lower prices, Jim Prentice(Industry Canada) should be lynched.
Remember, the Canadian government allowed Rogers to purchase Fido, Rogers is just taking advantage of the cards that were delt.
Sounds like a plan to me. To be honest, they wouldn't be cutting the cost ON the data plan itself. As contract with iPhone and the fact that data is all on rogers network. The rep told me that himself. However, that all just means not to pitch them that way. They do have $10 plan with no minutes, you may be able to pull it off IF u already have a relation with them. Nevertheless, give it a shot. The $10 plan i was told that was ONLY for people who paused their accounts (though most of the time that $10 is a CR for max of a year) Also, like i said before, $15 plan does include the SAF fee. Come to think about it, you might just be able to pull it off. They might ask you to sign contract for 2 or 3 years giving you a $5cr for the contract term and give u the $15 plan. Moreover, if they still hard push you to the full $15, just be like, "I'm signing a contract WITHOUT taking a phone" so that itself is a $75cr.
Yes, rogers are sons of scammers. I guess thats why they offer so many rogers to rogers accross canada. If you were to go with fido, i highly recommand to do it before fido becomes more n more like rogers (as i see them going that path). Well, fast i don't mean like within days, more like within a year.
I do see strong advancments with Yak. But honestly, i highly doubt thats going to happen anytime soon. With Kodoo (from telus) entering this year bombing the lower class market like mad, it makes it harder. I'm sure they can pull it off. How, i will not question yet since most likely they going to blow us with some surprises (but to me those surprises does not worth the chance of not being able to sign a 6gb deal on HSPA network). I look forward in the upcoming battle.
BUT with all aside, we should just take most advantage out from what we have now. Only god knows how long we'll have to wait till canadian data prices drops. Good luck with Fido! I'll keep you updated if i found out any more info.
WooHoo
According to Fido customer service, I can get plan for $30/month plus $7.95 access fee.
Wooo Hoo
Dave
Holy good stuff! Might as well strike for unlimited text! Since shift works with that. Also, just have the agent confirm that the $30 data plan does come with unlimited emails as i've been told so. Just tell them its for a Windows Mobile device, they don't need that much details, it'll just confuse them. Btw, SAF is only 6.95, if they are charging u 7.95 i honestly wouldn't complain.
I went around shopping today for a HD2 ..
Trying to get the HD2 and sign a new 2yr contract family plan with 3-4 lines..and most the stores will offer it to me for free plus $50-100 bucks back. The only catch is they won't open the line unless i also sign up for the $30 data plan... which i don't want.
Some of the reps told me the alternative is to buy the international version of the phone without data plan but they want me to cough up a extra ~$200+ some dollars out of my pocket to get it.
I went to this one store and said they would give me the T-mobile version of the phone plus some money back as well without the data plan and the way he'll do it is not record the IMEI during the sign up...... really interesting proposition !!!
Does that really work ???? Not record the IMEI number... he said i won't have warranty if he doesn't not record the IMEI. I guess my real question is will Tmobile find out i have the HD2 and force data plan on my contract some time down the 2 year contract.....
Do you really want to risk the chance of not having a warranty though....???
I thought they had to list the IMEI when you sign up in order to establish the acct. but you never know. Just give it a long thought b/c you wouldnt want the phone to be defective after allowed time period and then have to pay $130 (assuming you get insurance) for another one....
He said i can't buy the insurance or claim any type of warranty because then T-mobile will get the IMEI and probably enforce the data plan. So i really don't know how this works....
In any event... if i pay $30 a month X 24 months i'm going to be out $720, by that time i've spent enough money to buy TWO HD2..... $720 dollars worth of service i don't really need because i have Wifi in most the places i travel to.
Yes it will work but you won't have any data at all. It will just say your phone is not supported on this network. In the future if you want data or text its $30 unlimited for both text and data. Or if you have skype you can get unlimited data alone for $39.99. I was thinking of that for a while. I think the dataplan is how they give you the phone, I thought it was mandatory so he may be cheating tmo out of money. Tmo stores are mostly independent and will lie cheat and steal from you any chance they get. I remeber one friend saying they were nice enough to recognize his IME and upgrade his dataplan automatically. Your Tmo guy may not tell you this. I would call Tmobile and order the phones you want online. If you don't want data but want an HD2 what about getting an HD2 on craigslist for $250 new and selling what you get from tmo, either a Touch Pro 2 , or a BB 9700 I think right now. Or get your kids phones on the plan and buy yours on CL.
If you get the international version, you won't have 3g too. If you ever changed your mind about the data plan, you would be using it with edge. MUCH slower. Just buy the t-mobile one off craigslist and don't go on the internet via t-mobile. Just wifi. Ive never seen them put it on when someone doesn't have any internet. If you had the cheap internet plan, ive seen them refuse access to the internet until you buy the more expensive one but even that you can get around by changing the apn. Hell, im using my hd2 with $5.99 t-zones! With the epc apn! (Every time i call t-mobile about something, they give me this horror story about how my phone will shut off or stop working if i don't get the full data plan. They push it VERY hard but i keep refusing. I pay $100 in data plans on all my lines already!)
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Yes it will work but you won't have any data at all. It will just say your phone is not supported on this network. In the future if you want data or text its $30 unlimited for both text and data. Or if you have skype you can get unlimited data alone for $39.99. I was thinking of that for a while. I think the dataplan is how they give you the phone, I thought it was mandatory so he may be cheating tmo out of money. Tmo stores are mostly independent and will lie cheat and steal from you any chance they get. I remeber one friend saying they were nice enough to recognize his IME and upgrade his dataplan automatically. Your Tmo guy may not tell you this. I would call Tmobile and order the phones you want online. If you don't want data but want an HD2 what about getting an HD2 on craigslist for $250 new and selling what you get from tmo, either a Touch Pro 2 , or a BB 9700 I think right now. Or get your kids phones on the plan and buy yours on CL.
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'Really? Im paying $30 for web alone and then $10 for text. smh
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'Really? Im paying $30 for web alone and then $10 for text. smh
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Really and HD2 without a data plan is like buying a Lamborgini without an engine ...
It'll look good sitting in your garage, but what ya gonna do with it ???
Seriously , get the data plan , if you live in an area with HSDPA or even better HSDPA+ it is worth it, with the latter you can get upwards of 7 meg or so down in good coverage area, the data plan is pretty cheap for that kind of bandwidth ...
If not , just get you a pda and cheap phone ...
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Really and HD2 without a data plan is like buying a Lamborgini without an engine ...
It'll look good sitting in your garage, but what ya gonna do with it ???
Seriously , get the data plan , if you live in an area with HSDPA or even better HSDPA+ it is worth it, with the latter you can get upwards of 7 meg or so down in good coverage area, the data plan is pretty cheap for that kind of bandwidth ...
If not , just get you a pda and cheap phone ...
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Yeah. i dont want to lose my data b/c its more dependable. but i have been hearing from a few ppl that their txt is included in that chrge. Maybe i need to actually take a look at my statement...
I'm fully aware that the international version does not support the proper radio freq for Tmobile 3G but i've never heard of the phone not working because of the lack of data plan, the phone should work without the internet.
I refuse to pay $30 for 3G access when i have wifi ..... i have a HTC TYTN2 right now and all i do is make calls, txt and GPS... i rarely use the internet. I could care less about all the features i won't be able to use without data plan i'm in it more for the eye candy...... Now if they offered $30 for 4G access i would consider it.
A few days ago i bought a hd2 off craigslist and put android on it, aand start using it on my preferred.phone first plan. everything was perfect until.today when.i opened my tmobile account and saw a pic of hd2 on it out of no where. i am a little worried.because.hd2 is supposed to.requiere a more expensive "smartphone plan". i am pretty sure i didnt tell them i changed phone, so they must somehow detected it, i wonder if they would start charging me more?
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Yea, they can detect your phone pretty fast. Supposedly, they would block you from using the phone-first internet, and make you upgrade to a smartphone plan. The HD2 is definitely considered a phone on a smartphone plan. You really should be paying $30/month.
Ya data plan ATM costs to much $30/5GB per month. But rumour is TMo is cooking up another data plan for not heavy users which is 200MB/month for $10. So lets wait and see what happens, hopefully its true.
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Ya data plan ATM costs to much $30/5GB per month. But rumour is TMo is cooking up another data plan for not heavy users which is 200MB/month for $10. So lets wait and see what happens, hopefully its true.
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In each case it is cheaper than here in Belgium.
1GB/month = 30€/month = 41,23$/month
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In each case it is cheaper than here in Belgium.
1GB/month = 30€/month = 41,23$/month
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That's for Proximus yes. They are the market leader. If you stick with them you're bound to get ripped off
Mobile Vikings has everything I could dream off: €15 / month = 2GB data + free sms. So actually you get € 15 to call with and the data plan for free. After 12 years of having Proximus that was an incredible shock to me.
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That's for Proximus yes. They are the market leader. If you stick with them you're bound to get ripped off
Mobile Vikings has everything I could dream off: €15 / month = 2GB data + free sms. So actually you get € 15 to call with and the data plan for free. After 12 years of having Proximus that was an incredible shock to me.
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Hmm, if you look carefully on my account you will see I'm with Mobistar, not with Proximus!!
Yhe, I know Mobile vikings is cheaper fore data, but it don't have everywhere HSDPA coverage, I know aether Mobistar ore Proximus haven't it but it is better.
And bay the way I have almost 60H of communications each month. So conclusion I will stay with may formless, even it is expensive, but that's live here in belgium.
i live in pakistan and the service providers here offer dirt cheap plans (no 3G yet though), and the business/market model is such that the majority of plans do NOT include a phone...so most everyone just gets whatever phone they fancy, get a plan, slap in the sim and we're good to go. i get unlimited gprs/edge for an additional RS500 on my plan (thats about $6) per month. all incoming calls are free and outgoing calls to any network are RS1.25 (thats about 2cents) per minute!
so i never really thought about how my provider can detect my phone. out of curiosity, would the OP have been able to hide the device model from his provider if he never used WM? for example, he gets the HD2 but does NOT put his sim card into the device. he then proceeds to keep WM in flight mode and sets up android...so that whenever WM boots, it is in flight mode, and then he can jump into android where flight mode is disabled. he puts in the sim...and starts using the phone like i've mentioned...i.e. phone services disabled completely in WM and using WM just as a bootstrap into android where all phone services are enabled.
would that prevent the provider from detecting the device model? or do they detect the IMEI and look it up in some database? or is the detection mechanism based on some other principle?
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...or do they detect the IMEI and look it up in some database?
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This is exactly what they do. Want some more details ? Google for "TAC database".
Thanks for the info, let's see what happens, the data is still not cut off til now.
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A few days ago i bought a hd2 off craigslist and put android on it, aand start using it on my preferred.phone first plan. everything was perfect until.today when.i opened my tmobile account and saw a pic of hd2 on it out of no where. i am a little worried.because.hd2 is supposed to.requiere a more expensive "smartphone plan". i am pretty sure i didnt tell them i changed phone, so they must somehow detected it, i wonder if they would start charging me more?
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that is very interesting. I am using my Euro HD2 on t-mobile USA since this janurary and my t-mobile account has not shown a picture of my device yet. There is no picture. This is the message they give me:
Sorry—we’re not sure which phone you’re using, so we’re not able to display resources. Please select a phone.
I am not on a data/text plan at all. I just do straight calls 1,500 Minutes shared.
Will I be caught?
Eventually. Anyways the prices you guys gave make me happy that I'm keeping my unlimited plan with AT&T. All I can download for $30 per month.
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The data plans for t-mobile are changing in a couple of weeks, still 30.00 for unlimited (25.00 on non subsidized phone) and I think 200mb for 10-15.00.
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A few days ago i bought a hd2 off craigslist and put android on it, aand start using it on my preferred.phone first plan. everything was perfect until.today when.i opened my tmobile account and saw a pic of hd2 on it out of no where. i am a little worried.because.hd2 is supposed to.requiere a more expensive "smartphone plan". i am pretty sure i didnt tell them i changed phone, so they must somehow detected it, i wonder if they would start charging me more?
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T-Mobile has a database of all HD2 IMEI's (unique phone serial numbers) of all T-Mobile branded HD's as well as any T-Mobile branded cell phones. As soon as you started using it, they detected what it is and will start charging you accordingly. AT&T does the same crap with iPhones and other AT&T branded phones.
The only workaround that I know of is to use non carrier branded phones that the carrier does not already have in their database.
im so happy that we dont have tmobile here in switzerland lol
paying only 29CHF (aroudn 30$ or so) for unlimited calls to my provider, unlimited sms(thats godlike) and "unlimited" mobile internet. but they cut down the speed after 500mb xD.. i could pay 19CHF more to get 2gbs till they cut it down, but hey, im not listening to internet radio anymore, so 500mbs are enough
Hi, I just upgraded my N97 to the G2 and got the HD7 free on black Friday.
I didn't have a data plan before, but when I look up my service it says I have 4g unlimited? I can't seem to find the service fee for it either.
I don't want to get a surprise at the end of the month and be hit with a $30 data plan.
Should I be worried?
The Rep told me the upgrade is only for the phone and does not affect the plan.
If I did get free 4G service then WOOT!
highly doubt it. when you upgrade, they change your data rate plan to the required one for your device. you're most likely going to get charged for it
thanks,
My brother got the HD7 and he had the 5.99 tmobile web plan, does this mean he lost his tmobile web plan forever? We he don't plan on keeping the phone and plans to go back to his Milestone.
For tmobile I know that if you upgrade a phone to a "data service required" model, YOU WILL NOT NEED A DATA SERVICE TO USE IT. They pull that bs to get more money out of you on the upgrade offer. All you need is a sim card for the phones designated provider. I know this because I handle the phones in the family plan for my family and have seen nearly every situation and outcome. Every 2 years each of us has a phone we get an upgrade for that individual line. We do not take upgrades always in turn and in the past have bought these "data plan required" phones off craigslist or ebay. They still work. If you use the data without a plan you will get charged out the ass. Luckily you can restrict yourself from doing that just incase you can't remember not to. You will also not lose the web features that are registered to your sim card. If you have the edge package (the cheaper one) and stick your sim in another phone, that phone now becomes "edge" enabled. Same goes for 3G package unless you put it in a HSPA compatible phone, then you will have the HSPA capabilities. Kinda nice that they aren't charging a jacked up fee for their new data service, but my connection locally sucks for it anyways so go figure.
One other rule about tmobile that I like is that they grandfather you on certain things. For example, I pay a flat $55 monthly for unlimited minutes/texts/data and they no longer have this plan available but since I've had it for the last few years, I am an exception to any plans they have now and that makes me a happier camper.
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so should I call the rep at the store back and tell him to remove the 4g unlimited?
I never had a data plan before the update, but my bro had the 5.99 plan.
or should i switch to a dumb phone and remove it myself?
thanks
You will NOT be able to keep the phone if you want to cancel the data plan. Tmobile requires the data plan as a part of the deal on the upgrade. I have a hard time believing this wasn't made abundantly clear to you before you upgraded.
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That's what I heard, but I kept asking the Rep, Will the upgrade add or change anything to my current, plan and he kept saying no. And he assured me that the upgrade is only for the phone. He told me the Data plan is only for new subscribers.
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That's what I heard, but I kept asking the Rep, Will the upgrade add or change anything to my current, plan and he kept saying no. And he assured me that the upgrade is only for the phone. He told me the Data plan is only for new subscribers.
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Ray as much as I would like to say woohooo for you, it is a well know problem with T-Mo Reps...They hay no clue what they are talking about! I would check your online account in the next few days, but you may not see it until your new billing cycle. These folks really suck at getting their fact straight!
Anyway, i hope that ou do get what you wanted, and keep us posted on the long term outcome.!
I find that no one ever knows what they are doing. I upgraded to the G2 and was very happy until the website said that another data plan was added to our contract for 30 a month. I've had a data plan for quite a while and it was 25 a month. When we called Tmo, they said I had to have that data plan on top of my old one to keep the phone. They were obviously mistaken but refused to do any of the leg work to get it fixed. I had to make calls to Best Buy and Tmo many times to make sure that it was fixed. Sorry for the rant, I just find it hard to believe that anyone has gone through this process smoothly when it has been a huge pain in the ass every time I have upgraded a phone.
I checked online and i saw the $30 data plan. I knew it wasn't going to be free, but oh well.
Do you guys know if i could change it to the $15 data plan?
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I would recomend to anyone getting phones on contract.... buy the phone outright and all the plans become cheaper. Once gou have a contract you loose all your bargining chips. If i have a problem with my service i can call them up and say fix this or i cancel. They will quickly transfer me to a level whatever rep that has the power to change anything oon my plan to keep me happy. Just an fyi if you dont have the cash to buy the phone tmo has a plan that you pay them 20 a month till it paid off no interest. Even going that route monthly rate is still less then being on contract.
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Reps will generally tell you whatever they can to make a sale. The rep outright lied to you when he said it wouldn't require a data plan.you should've asked for it in writing.
All subsidized smartphones require a compatible data plan (except the Nokia Nuron) for the life of the contract.
He didn't say I didn't need data, he just said he wouldn't add or change anything. He just never mentioned I will need a data plan.
looks like my bro won't be getting his 5.99 tzone plan back.
Does forcing us to get a data plan go under that net neutrality thing?
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He didn't say I didn't need data, he just said he wouldn't add or change anything.
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Well, I guess he didn't really lie then... the computer did it automatically.
Seriously though, he probably assumed you already had a data plan due to having an N97 smartphone.
Does forcing us to get a data plan go under that net neutrality thing?
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Not a chance. It's a term stipulated by the contract in order for you to get the discounted price. All spelled out in the terms and conditions paper you sign.
On the G2, you can just use the "My Account" app, "Plan and Services" tab - it will show you up to the minute info regarding your plan, details, and monthly costs. Nothing is free, but TMo is as close as you can get in the US.
What happen is for some reason when upgrading 2 lines only the first one gets the "unlimited 4g" I ran into this problem a few days ago. The system doesn't automatically add the web on the second device(the "free" one) So the customer leaves the store with out the internet of the second device. Now unless he went into your account and changed the tzone package then you should be fine. But in the case that he did just call customer care and have them put the old feature on. They will be reluctant to do so and say that it doesnt exist anymore but they keep all of the plans in the system. Reps just dont like to go into the system and find the package. Hope this helps.