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Cellphone Evolution

Caveats. I love my nexus one, and have never owned any form of Apple product.
I am more or less trying to see what other people's opinions are regarding the evolution of cellphones.
In my opinion these are more or less the large evolutions.
Skipping the Bag phone, and Night at the roxx bury model
1) Nokia - Who didn't have that wonderful brick!
2) Razr - Never had one, but certainly made size crucial -
3) Blackberry - They discovered there was money in smart phones.
4) Iphone - Will stay unbiased, they certainly moved the smartphone concept.
Where would I put the nexus one? I would say it's the pinnacle of #4. Personally, i think we are stuck in #4 for awhile, and much like computer's dont need to be upgraded as say 5 years ago, phones may be there as well(for now).
I highly doubt the next Iphone makes any huge leaps. The front camera may evolutionize phone sex, but that's about it.
How do we get to #5? In my opinion, this will be stuck on the borrrrrring battery technology. What does everyone else see?

Nexus One is 4.5. It shares many features of the iPhone and adds on top iof it with the concept of developer freedom, which I beleive is crucial for moving smartphone software forward.

Just to clarify. I definitely think the Nexus one is a massive improvement, and 4.5 is certainly accurate. You could be right in that we may never see a 5 by my metrics. Or not a clean jump at least. Continual small improvement could be the ongoing future.
Eitherway, I feel good that I wont be itching to "upgrade" this time next year(which says alot for the Nexus One)

Much as the MP3 player is being obsolesced by cell phones, I think "phones" in the traditional sense will eventually be obsolesced by the all-around computer that smartphones are becoming.

but its still called a smartphone lol

I don't think the Nexus One itself is that great of an evolution, it's just another Android phone.
I'd say the platform itself is much more important.
I love my Nexus One, it's far and away the most advanced phone I've ever owned, however it's not without faults, and ultimately it's just a high end Android handset, just like the Motorola Droid/Milestone.
As for the next "big" step/evolution, I don't know if there will be anything "big" per say. As has been touched on in this thread, smartphones as we know them are metamorphosing into mobile computers, so I don't really see the scope for anything more than incremental increases in processing power and operating systems.

video calls will be a big step... however the networks will have to mature before something as data intenisve as that steps up to the plate
another thing i think would be interesting as far as the future goes is developing a phone that truely functions as a portable computer where i can ditch my desktop (granted not my gaming pc) but hook the phone up to a dock of some sort which will give me access to a monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, ect... the phone sort of goes into "pc mode" and functions as a regular computer

Video calls will be a big step?
Video calling was big advertised years ago.
And now, almost nobody really uses it.

K69 said:
Video calls will be a big step?
Video calling was big advertised years ago.
And now, almost nobody really uses it.
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when? i dont remember anything...
my thing is phones dont have a camera on the side that the screen is on... therefore its really not possible... not to mention its incredibly data intensive side so i really doubt what you are talking about is true... I would love to be able to video chat on my phone in a quality manner
sadly though, batteries are going to hinder mobile progress, li-ion batteries are nice but lets face it, its not very hard to run your nexus dry in about 5 hours if you wanted to... battery technology itself is getting old and some other source of power really needs to emerge to really stir the mobile market up

JHaste said:
when? i dont remember anything...
my thing is phones dont have a camera on the side that the screen is on... therefore its really not possible... not to mention its incredibly data intensive side so i really doubt what you are talking about is true... I would love to be able to video chat on my phone in a quality manner
sadly though, batteries are going to hinder mobile progress, li-ion batteries are nice but lets face it, its not very hard to run your nexus dry in about 5 hours if you wanted to... battery technology itself is getting old and some other source of power really needs to emerge to really stir the mobile market up
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Look at many phones in Asia, they've had video calling for years now. The US is just far behind when it comes to certain technologies. Japan has had international 3G video calling since August 2005 (3G was invented in Japan). And has been running a 3G network since late 2001.
Video calling is way old.
As for the battery issue, nuclear batteries are the answer: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/07/tiny-nuclear-battery.html

Video calls are not going to b next. We had those since 2004 in europe and nobody really uses them. They are expensive and a good old phone call gets the job done anyway. I concur with batteries and increemental steps in OSs and computing power, allghough nuclear batteries are still far to come. (Too bad, i had my proton pack almost ready...). This said the N1 is probably the best phone i had ever. Nothing it cannot do. Nothing I have to think"it's just a phone" for. I just love it

SPAS79 said:
Video calls are not going to b next. We had those since 2004 in europe and nobody really uses them. They are expensive and a good old phone call gets the job done anyway. I concur with batteries and increemental steps in OSs and computing power, allghough nuclear batteries are still far to come. (Too bad, i had my proton pack almost ready...). This said the N1 is probably the best phone i had ever. Nothing it cannot do. Nothing I have to think"it's just a phone" for. I just love it
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I can't see video calls on mobile phones becoming practical. The whole point of making phones calls on a mobile phone is because its MOBILE! For a video call, you have to be looking at the screen. This presents a few issues: First off, walking down the street while talking and looking at the screen is not a good idea for obvious reasons. Second, both the earpiece and microphone will be far away from you, forcing you to use either the speaker and yell into the phone, destroying any concept of privacy, or wearing a headset every time you want to talk on the phone. Having a wired headset will be a bit uncomfortable becasue the phone will be in your hand at a good length from your face, leaving the most ideal option to be a bluetooth headset.
There is also the problem of battery life. Talking on the phone AND streaming a video feed will no doubt put a lot of strain on the battery, especially if the video stream must be high quality and play back smoothly. In addition, bluetooth may be used for your wireless headset. Current batteries in smartphones will be able to pull this off for ~3 hours MAX, not including battery drain while on standby, and not taking into account how good your signal is (the lower the signal the more drain on the battery).

Austria was one of the first countries where video calling was available (may 2003).
Many phones with front cams where sold and in the first months you even could video call for free.
Now almost seven years later nobody talks about it.

30FPS Issue is in 1 word OUTRAGEOUS... Proposed "clean" solution?

I know this has been said again and again, but I just have to put my opinion out there..
To realize what provoked this thread see here and a benchmark test on youtube where the evo gets pwnt by the nexus one and droid x on so many levels.
HTC claims that the reason EVERY other android phone can get twice as much frames per second as us is because they don't have an HDMI port..
Did they really think that was gonna fly?
I'd gladly never use my hdmi port to have smooth as butter 60FPS.. and to set the record straight we DO notice the difference.
At the very least they could have imposed the limit only when content is being output via hdmi!
I cannot understand how they thought we'd sit back and allow this.
Android is the home of nerds, enthusiasts, overclockers, benchmarkers and rom chefs.
This isn't the typical iphone userbase, we notice a lack of performance and inefficiency.
Both of which our phones are in no short supply of..
Our tests and kernel tweaks have proved that this DEFECT can be bypassed, so why are they still going on about hardware limitations?
How come our PREMIUM phones that we have to pay an extra 10 bucks per month just to own, can't even catch up to the very first android phone (G1) in terms of 2D FPS?
How come everybody else is capable of 60fps while we with our "revolutionary multimedia phones" can't even churn out anything past 30FPS without tweaks, and hacks, and best of all voiding our warranties.
It's ****ing blasphemy I tell you.
How about a rom that allows for disabling of hdmi?
I don't know just how ingrained it is with the snapdragon CPU or more likely the gpu, but it's surely possible.
I mean how many of us would've gotten these phones if we knew it was either hdmi or 60fps?

Hdmi has nothing to do with the cap.
This belongs here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=699290

topdnbass said:
HTC claims that the reason EVERY other android phone can get twice as much frames per second as us is because they don't have an HDMI port..
Did they really think that was gonna fly?
I'd gladly never use my hdmi port to have smooth as butter 60FPS.. and to set the record straight we DO notice the difference.
At the very least they could have imposed the limit only when content is being output via hdmi! <-That should be a poll option
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Aridon said:
Hdmi has nothing to do with the cap.
This belongs here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=699290
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HDMI is their excuse isn't it, Droid X has HDMI will it always be limited to 30FPS?

Personally, I'd rather loose battery life and HDMI (never going to use that ****) output for no lag and better performance.
At least give us the option, HTC.

For the most part HDMI out, is a "feature for friends".
I don't think that many of us are ACTUALLY using this often.
I mean it's nice to have and i'm sure it can come into handy one day, but not at this expense!
Hdmi has nothing to do with the cap.
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According to Keith Nowak it has very much to do with hdmi..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713677
I have sifted through that convoluted thread.. but see no indication that anything else is causing the cap..
So then? What IS causing it.

topdnbass said:
For the most part HDMI out, is a "feature for friends".
I don't think that many of us are ACTUALLY using this often.
I mean it's nice to have and i'm sure it can come into handy one day, but not at this expense!
According to Keith Nowak it has very much to do with hdmi..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713677
I have sifted through that convoluted thread.. but see no indication that anything else is causing the cap..
So then? What IS causing it.
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are you implying i have no friends?

Indeed.
Screw implying.
You straight up got no friends bro!
Sorry, better luck next time.
Sent from my Evo 4G

I don't really understand why I'd use hdmi. This thing isn't pushing out .mkv files is it?
And you better believe I'm not spending extra money on a fancy mini hdmi cord. F that.
Take out the hdmi, give me a freaking Ethernet port instead Haha. Id prolly use that at least once, which will be more than I ever use hdmi.
(Actually come to think of it 4g to wired Ethernet tether for devices that don't support usb tether would be rather slick.)

Now that HTC fixed the grounding issue on the phone with the OTA update, my attention is now completely on the FPS issue. This is really frustrating. I have 5 days left to return my phone and I am really trying to figure out what to do. I don't want to go to Verizon because it's more expensive and I'm still in contract until Oct if I return the Evo. $50 ETF isn't a huge deal though. I've never been an apple fan and have never personally owned an iPhone but when you put the Evo next to Apple's latest, the screen choppiness really shows. It makes me mad. It makes me feel like the Evo is still behind the iPhone (when on paper is was not at all).
Look, I'm not sitting here saying that 30FPS is making my phone crappy and less enjoyable. The thought of getting duped by HTC is what bothers me. HTC sold us something on paper, and delivered something else. Isn't that called bait and switch?
Another problem is that none of the Sprint sales people, HTC customer service reps, or Best Buy/RS employees know enough about FPS to realize what it has done to our "wicked fast" phone. They look at us like we're crazy. I was describing the grounding issue to my local RS sales guy and he was giving me a look like I was being a baby about it.

Even though the 30 fps cap is still there the new update has gotten rid of all the screen lag I've had in sense and the browser.

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Even though the 30 fps cap is still there the new update has gotten rid of all the screen lag I've had in sense and the browser.
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The motion blur you see when you swipe screens or scroll in the browser is a result of 30FPS. I still have it after the update. Use a nexus one or droid and you'll see the difference. It's very noticeable side-by-side. Sure, I don't see it when I'm using my phone. My brain gets used to it. The problem is that phones that have been out for 12 months have better screen motion than we do with our "wicked fast" phone.

meh at least we don't have to deal with this:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=954054

Wow! Seems pretty widespread... That really sucks. On top of that, they have to deal with the manipulations as Apple tries to dodge the complaints.

Great another post of so me one whining go return the phone, please return your phone and get a box of tampons

BrianDigital said:
Great another post of so me one whining go return the phone, please return your phone and get a box of tampons
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I'll make sure to get you an English 101 book while I'm out shopping.

coolguy949 said:
I'll make sure to get you an English 101 book while I'm out shopping.
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Hardy har, atleast I used one comma hey look htc just released a patch to fix the cap. Soley based off your whiney post

This is a public forum. People complain on it. Get used to it.

ahh fanboys make me smile

DHD vs. EVO 4g

Hey everyone (this is my first post although I've been following the forum for a couple of weeks now!)
Like most everyone I've been eagerly waiting for the Desire HD and getting impatient for the delay. I just watched a video comparing Desire HD and EVO 4g on engadget, in which the guy says the Desire HD 3G won't work in the US? I'm an absolute newbie and have never had an Android phone...can anyone confirm this? Thanks!
Here is the said video:
engadget.com/2010/10/30/htc-desire-hd-vs-evo-4g-fight/
EDIT: I just found another similar thread that answered my question...wanted to delete my post but don't know how...well at least there's that engadget video ...

nubicurio said:
Hey everyone (this is my first post although I've been following the forum for a couple of weeks now!)
Like most everyone I've been eagerly waiting for the Desire HD and getting impatient for the delay. I just watched a video comparing Desire HD and EVO 4g on engadget, in which the guy says the Desire HD 3G won't work in the US? I'm an absolute newbie and have never had an Android phone...can anyone confirm this? Thanks!
Here is the said video:
engadget.com/2010/10/30/htc-desire-hd-vs-evo-4g-fight/
EDIT: I just found another similar thread that answered my question...wanted to delete my post but don't know how...well at least there's that engadget video ...
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to be honest. i think only a retard would sell his Evo 4G to DHD. as i personally think the EVO 4G is superior to DHD in many ways its not even funny.
its kinda like the europen/asia/middle eastern people got a stupid low version of the EVO 4G.
1- no 4G
2- No second camera
3- no kick stand
4- no mini hdmi port
are they serious ?
and on top of all that, there are some hardware problems with the DHD it self that needs to be fixed " sensor, touch panel etc".
i think the DHD is a total fail. with all respect to everyone who bought it.
and i really hope it bombs hard to htc think twice before f****ng up their customers outside the US.
too bad the evo is CDMA only. i would have paid 700$ for it :/

4g hasn't even been released in many places outside of america, it's capable of handling hspa+ speeds..
I don't know anyone who actually uses the secondary camera. I've had it on my n95 and touch pro 2 and never missed it going onto my nexus one.
No hdmi port because we have dlna.
How is the desire hd a fail? It's been noted worldwide that it is one of the best, if not the best android phone out at the moment.

teihoata said:
4g hasn't even been released in many places outside of america, it's capable of handling hspa+ speeds..
I don't know anyone who actually uses the secondary camera. I've had it on my n95 and touch pro 2 and never missed it going onto my nexus one.
No hdmi port because we have dlna.
How is the desire hd a fail? It's been noted worldwide that it is one of the best, if not the best android phone out at the moment.
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1- just because its the best in europe doesnt mean its the best world wide.
the evo 4 G destroys it and its an older phone. the DHD is stipped down version in terms of hardware " dont give me newer cpu crap that no one actually use. the android is running super fast on a hd2 . let alone evo "
2- just because you and others dont use the front facing camera doesnt mean its not important. most of my calls are video calls for your info. its more fun and i actually see the girl/guy i am talkin to before we decide to go out and have fun etc
3- dlna is nice. but i am sorry. not all HDtvs have dlna. including my 2 years old Sony Bravia . full hd. hdmi port. no dlna " as far as i know. nothing in the options when i checked "
should i go now and buy a new HDtv ? please. and many others are like this too.
sure the HDMI output is NOT a standard on Mobiles. but the EVO has it. why on earth they took it off from DHD. they are friggin charging the same price for evo as dhd. why should i be ok with the dumped version ?
i am sorry you are ok with the dhd. i hope u have fun with it. but there is no way in hell i am going to let htc get my money on this.
they should have a released a superior phone than Evo considering the evo is old now. but no. we get a worst version for the same price. and on top of that, it has some hardware problems.
oh yeah no **** off
4- the Evo is CDMA only. so its not released any where outside the US. and its sprint exclusive too. so even if i import it. it wont work

How about a newer gpu? I couldn't run asphalt on my nexus one smoothly (it ran the same chipset as the evo) but it runs just fine on my desire hd. I suppose the bump up in inbuilt memory as well as the increase in ram means it is still stripped down hardware wise? It's a 50% increase in both cases.
Do you really walk down the street while your video calling? People who video call in public are ignorant lol don't you use facebook to see who you are going to date?
DLNA is standard for most tv's today, if you don't have a compatible t.v. for dlna then use a ps3, xbox 360 or a computer to stream it. If you're going to watch something off of a t.v. you're more likely to stream over dlna than carry a cord around with you. Who watches stuff off of their phones anyway, get apple or google tv if your serious about your media
We have an updated chipset, what more could you want?
Sure people talk about the gpu and cpu improvements but it also brings support for more video codecs (we can play divx natively whereas the old snapdragon can't), uses less power and has the 8th generation built in gps engine (its a lot quicker to lock on). Not to mention speeds of up to 14.4mbps HSPA+. "4g" that you are referring to barely reaches 3mbps for most people in america. All of these features are things people use on a daily basis.
You sir are crazy to prefer the evo over the dhd

teihoata said:
How about a newer gpu? I couldn't run asphalt on my nexus one smoothly (it ran the same chipset as the evo) but it runs just fine on my desire hd. I suppose the bump up in inbuilt memory as well as the increase in ram means it is still stripped down hardware wise? It's a 50% increase in both cases.
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you couldnt run asphalt 5 on nexus ? what on earth you were doing to ur phone? i was running it fine on a friggin HD2 man :/
also. since when CPU run asphalt 5. i hope you are talking about the GPU.
all this crap about new CPU/ GPU doesnt really mean anything. the galaxy has a monster of gpu. and what games take advantage of that? zero .nothing really is new in this tech crap. more of a tweek to the CPU. the software isnt even supporting it. i have smooth experience in my hd2 after tweeks. and so in my galaxy s. " i had hd2 "
my point is users like you and i are not noobs. we come here and tweek devices so we dont go like morons and buy anything new a company spit on our face under new cover and call it a day. dont be that guy
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Do you really walk down the street while your video calling? People who video call in public are ignorant lol don't you use facebook to see who you are going to date?
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yeah most of my calls are really using the front facing camera. specially when i am inside home " my home or friends home" nothing has to do with dating. and no wtf i dont use facebook to date.
teihoata said:
DLNA is standard for most tv's today, if you don't have a compatible t.v. for dlna then use a ps3, xbox 360 or a computer to stream it. If you're going to watch something off of a t.v. you're more likely to stream over dlna than carry a cord around with you. Who watches stuff off of their phones anyway, get apple or google tv if your serious about your media
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sure i can use my DLNA on ps3 or my 360. but the idea of mini hdmi output was if u want to watch at your friends house. why would i plug my mobile to tv if i am at home already and can plug my external hard disk or laptop ?
also, why we are arguing about this? EVO has hdmi output. DHD doesnt. EVO win. period. whatever u will ever use it or not. its there for you if you ever did.
same thing for front cam. 1 day you might be kinky and ur at your work. u call ur gf at home and tell her to show u her ass so u can rub 1 in the bathroom office. the cam is there she can use it lol
teihoata said:
We have an updated chipset, what more could you want?
Sure people talk about the gpu and cpu improvements but it also brings support for more video codecs (we can play divx natively whereas the old snapdragon can't), uses less power and has the 8th generation built in gps engine (its a lot quicker to lock on). Not to mention speeds of up to 14.4mbps HSPA+. "4g" that you are referring to barely reaches 3mbps for most people in america. All of these features are things people use on a daily basis.
You sir are crazy to prefer the evo over the dhd
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are you trying to bring video codec to this now ? where is my old dusty htc magic. let me download vplayer from the market. it will play everything. put a rock in its face and it will play it.
dont bring something not related to the cpu please.

See when people try to use the kickstand as a valid point for how the EVO is a better phone, you just realise that they are clutching at straws.
Front facing cameras have been available on phone in Europe for near enough 6-7 years, times I or anyone else I know have used one = Zero
The "4G" argument, fair does the US has WiMAX, but it is not fully available all over the US.
The kickstand, come on. Never have I ever thought to myself, know what, I wish my phone had a kickstand so I could watch stuff a little easier.
The DHD has an upgraded CPU and GPU, that right now might not have many more advantages over the EVO, but in the future it will do. When the OS becomes more demanding, the older first generation of Snapdragon devices will become less supported officially for updates etc. That coupled with 256mb more RAM backs that up.
The HDMI port is a bit of a bummer, but for me it is hardly a deal breaker. It would be nice to have, but I can just stream to my PS3 or my TV wirelessly, seems like a fair trade off. Why go digging around the back of my tv which is a cable jungle when I can just do it through wireless?
Anyone who says that the lack of front camera or kickstand is a deal breaker is obviously either a total idiot who just wants more more more regardless of how much they will use it, or is just a spec junkie who wants to brag or look cool online.
The vast majority of phones out there dont have a kickstand or a front facing camera or HDMI out, does that make them bad phones, not at all. It is only recently that people have became fixated by such things, to the point where they are fooling themselves into believing that they matter.

Just my thoughts. To me the DHD is the next step up. I would say it's personal choice, but really the tech is much better with the DHD. I'm in the states, and am much happier with the DHD (even on 2G only. I'm always by wi-fi, so it doesn't matter) than I would be with the Evo. All the things the DHD can do blows the Evo out of the water. Maybe it is just me, but like one poster pointed out, some of the things the DHD can do can't be matched by the Evo. Plus Evo is Sprint only, and I'm on T-Mobile, and plan to stay here. There is no other 4.3 Android for T-Mobile (not that I would care since the DHD rules the world).

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1- just because its the best in europe doesnt mean its the best world wide.
the evo 4 G destroys it and its an older phone. the DHD is stipped down version in terms of hardware " dont give me newer cpu crap that no one actually use. the android is running super fast on a hd2 . let alone evo "
2- just because you and others dont use the front facing camera doesnt mean its not important. most of my calls are video calls for your info. its more fun and i actually see the girl/guy i am talkin to before we decide to go out and have fun etc
3- dlna is nice. but i am sorry. not all HDtvs have dlna. including my 2 years old Sony Bravia . full hd. hdmi port. no dlna " as far as i know. nothing in the options when i checked "
should i go now and buy a new HDtv ? please. and many others are like this too.
sure the HDMI output is NOT a standard on Mobiles. but the EVO has it. why on earth they took it off from DHD. they are friggin charging the same price for evo as dhd. why should i be ok with the dumped version ?
i am sorry you are ok with the dhd. i hope u have fun with it. but there is no way in hell i am going to let htc get my money on this.
they should have a released a superior phone than Evo considering the evo is old now. but no. we get a worst version for the same price. and on top of that, it has some hardware problems.
oh yeah no **** off
4- the Evo is CDMA only. so its not released any where outside the US. and its sprint exclusive too. so even if i import it. it wont work
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1. I'm sorry but the DHD actually has faster hardware than the EVO, end of discussion.
2. I have NEVER seen anyone use a front facing camera on a phone. Why would HTC include one if 90% don't want/need it? It's like demanding a 6,3mm jack on the phone because a couple poor guys have headphones that use a 6,3mm jack even though 95% of people use 3,5mm.
3. A lot of new TV's do have DLNA even though your cheap Bravia doesn't. Again, seriously. How often do you use a HDMI output? Again, I have never seen anyone use it.
Why are you even comparing DHD to the EVO when they are not even intedended to be sold on the same continents for god sake. Besides Android is way better imo than WM which I believe the EVO has. Oh and no, it doesn't have hardware problems except for the first batch of phones, so no, you can't generalize that "the DHD has hardware problems"..
PS. Learn to write for God's sake.

All i see is f"""king stupid replies about " i dont use it so its not important" crap.
None is even semi smart with decent iq to know that the US got more hardware extras for their buck than the rest of the world. Seriously
Oh and now evo has WM....
I give up. I will bail out of this thread. If i read more of this **** my iq is gona drop

More hardware extras for their buck? So let me get this straight, you would rather have a kickstand than a faster CPU/GPU combo?! You would rather have a front facing camera than an extra 256mb of RAM?! That's pretty sad tbh. The hdmi output requires a cable to be bought. The DLNA doesn't need anything to be bought unless you have an old tv in which case you will be able to buy the HTC media link.
So let's recap, you would rather NOT have an upgraded CPU, upgraded GPU, 50% more RAM, but as long as you have a kickstand and front facing camera that's better. LOL!!
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More hardware extras for their buck? So let me get this straight, you would rather have a kickstand than a faster CPU/GPU combo?! You would rather have a front facing camera than an extra 256mb of RAM?! That's pretty sad tbh. The hdmi output requires a cable to be bought. The DLNA doesn't need anything to be bought unless you have an old tv in which case you will be able to buy the HTC media link.
So let's recap, you would rather NOT have an upgraded CPU, upgraded GPU, 50% more RAM, but as long as you have a kickstand and front facing camera that's better. LOL!!
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agree 100%!
the DHD is simply a better phone than the EVO. End of story. Anyone trying to claim that the kickstand and FFC make the EVO better than the DHD are fooling themselves.

Sorry i just couldnt stop myself from doing this>
HacKage said:
More hardware extras for their buck? So let me get this straight, you would rather have a kickstand than a faster CPU/GPU combo?! You would rather have a front facing camera than an extra 256mb of RAM?! That's pretty sad tbh. The hdmi output requires a cable to be bought. The DLNA doesn't need anything to be bought unless you have an old tv in which case you will be able to buy the HTC media link.
So let's recap, you would rather NOT have an upgraded CPU, upgraded GPU, 50% more RAM, but as long as you have a kickstand and front facing camera that's better. LOL!!
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FTW!
but yeah seriously, if you're from US, by all means go for EVO, you outside get Desire H,enough said.

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
1- just because its the best in europe doesnt mean its the best world wide.
the evo 4 G destroys it and its an older phone. the DHD is stipped down version in terms of hardware " dont give me newer cpu crap that no one actually use. the android is running super fast on a hd2 . let alone evo "
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Right...it destroys it? Desire HD in bold; Evo 4g in normal:
Display Type: LCD 16M colors | TFT 65K colors
Internal Memory: 1.5GB, 768MB Ram | 1GB, 512MB Ram
WiFi: B/G/N + DNLA | B/G
CPU: QSD8255 (45nm) | QSD8650
If you knew your stuff you would realise the new Snapdragons are actually smaller meaning less battery usage.
just because you and others dont use the front facing camera doesnt mean its not important. most of my calls are video calls for your info. its more fun and i actually see the girl/guy i am talkin to before we decide to go out and have fun etc
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Do you do phone dating or something? I know what my friends look like and if I'm going to go out and see them I'm not going to video call them. If I want to video call, i'll use Skype for free. PS. Most people haven't got a front facing camera, don't want to, or having got the connection.
3- dlna is nice. but i am sorry. not all HDtvs have dlna. including my 2 years old Sony Bravia . full hd. hdmi port. no dlna " as far as i know. nothing in the options when i checked "
should i go now and buy a new HDtv ? please. and many others are like this too.
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DNLA is moving forward, quickly. Don't have DNLA on your TV? Don't be a tool and buy a new TV. Use your common sense and go buy the cable to connect the Desire HD to the TV. Its about 1/1000th the price of a TV.
sure the HDMI output is NOT a standard on Mobiles. but the EVO has it. why on earth they took it off from DHD. they are friggin charging the same price for evo as dhd. why should i be ok with the dumped version ?
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See above..
they should have a released a superior phone than Evo considering the evo is old now. but no. we get a worst version for the same price. and on top of that, it has some hardware problems.
oh yeah no **** off
4- the Evo is CDMA only. so its not released any where outside the US. and its sprint exclusive too. so even if i import it. it wont work
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I think by now you should realise that the DHD is a much better phone than the Evo. Yeah, the Evo is good - but the DHD pushes the boundaries a little further.
Technology can only go so far at times. You'll be back in a few months moaning how the Desire HD is better than the Dual Core HTC's because the battery life is shocking

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
All i see is f"""king stupid replies about " i dont use it so its not important" crap.
None is even semi smart with decent iq to know that the US got more hardware extras for their buck than the rest of the world. Seriously
Oh and now evo has WM....
I give up. I will bail out of this thread. If i read more of this **** my iq is gona drop
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Based on your writings I doubt your IQ can go any lower than what it already is.

Touch pro 2 is the best phone!!
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Seriously, I would defend my phone if I had that one. NOw my touch pro 2 is broken and I ordered the DHD.
There is a lot of competition out there, not only the EVO 4G.
It's just what you prefer. Design?, the evo 4g probably wins. Inner hardware?, the dhd wins. The 4g has more outer hardware: kickstand, 2nd camera, etc.
So it does have more features. But then again, maybe it doesn't because HTC is comming with a lot of new features by software.
It's just what you like the most. When you only think of the phone design, the 4g wins. But then a lot of phones in the past were designed even better (touch pro 2 (A)) Fact is, the DHD has more power under the hood what makes it last a little longer.
Everyone uses their phone diffrently, so for the people who use the kickstand and front camera, go with the EVO 4g. But most people do not really use it, so the DHD probably is the better choice because it will last longer in the future.
The quality of a phone isn't just decided by strenght or just by design, but also the new technology. That's why a newer phone is almost always better then an old one.
in this case, there isn't really a winner.

Tab Experiences after first couple of days

Hi. I think I promised to tell my feelings of the Samsung slab after I got it, so here goes:
tl;dr: I like it very much, almost perfect for what I want it to be.
Specs we all know, so not much point brooding over that.
(EDIT: For those of you who want to know: Froyo.XWJJ3 / Baseband P1000XXJID / Kernel 2.6.32.9)
Price: I'm paying 32.90€/month for mine, no other charges. Unlimited data/calls are part of my earlier contract. I think it's worth it, even though the price is quite high compared to, for example, the states.
First impression: Sturdy, heavy. Perfect size. NICE display.
Usage
Browser: Otherwise butter-smooth (pinch-to-zoon is smooooth), but somehow scrolling is really jerky. I don't like that, but it's not THAT bad.
Camera: Sucks balls. It's easy enough to use and that 7" display is a treat to use as a viewfinder, but really, the camera is bad. Much worse than SGS's. (Still pictures, I haven't tried video.) I haven't really tried in good like outside (hard this time of year here), but inside the pictures suck. No way to say it nicer, sorry.
Interface: I hate TouchWiz. The stupid "you-are-on-screen-#" at the top spoils the look and makes it impossible to arrange widgets so that the topmost looks good. The Application Drawer is .. I don't know.. infernal? If there wasn't LauncherPro Plus available for such a small price, that alone would've made me re-think the purchase. I can't comment on the smoothness of TouchWiz on Tab since I installed LP+ after just about 20min of use. LP+ on the other hand, is butter-smooth. I really like it even though it only supports the standard 4x4 grid of icons (or, with the option I always keep selected, 4x5 grid).
I don't use the included mail client since I only use Gmail. No comments on that. The calendar is really good, it fits my usage perfectly. the Notes app is about the same as in SGS and I couldn't really live without it anymore. I use it too much
The reader's hub is rather pointless here, since the newpaper AND magazine parts aren't yet activated. Only the books work, and since it's the Kobo reader, it only supports the kobo-store and can't import ePubs (at least I couldn't find the option). Sucked balls, but at least Samsung included the "eBook" app by Aldiko.
Which, weirdly, is NOT the same app that is included with the SGS. The Tab's version is waaay better with more options to view/arrange the books and looks nicer with page transition animations. Weirdly though, it takes RREEAALY long to load a book if it has many pages. Much, much longer than the free Aldiko app takes on the same Tab. I like the free app so it doesn't matter that much.
The speakers aren't really that great. Much, much better than SGS, but that isn't much to say, SGS's speakers suck deep. You aren't going to enjoy listening music via the speakers, but I don't think anyone expected that anyway. They are good enough for game sounds and voice calls.
Incidentally, call quality is top-notch compared to Desire or SGS. I can't see why I wouldn't use the Tab as a primary phone al the time (other than the fact that I own the SGS already and carry it with me anyways). If you have something private to talk about, use headset (or a separete phone as I do with SGS. Since they all work with the same contract via MultiSIM, I can use every device interchangeably as they all ring the same time and calls come from the same number regardless of what device I call from.)
Size: YES IT DOES FIT. (sorry) Unlike some other forum members seem to think (and now that I really own the Tab, I REALLY call shenanigans on some parts of that said member's writings, or his sanity, depends) the Tab IS pocketable. I only own TWO pairs of trousers that I can't fit the tab in. I only carry it in front pockets so I can't comment on back pocketing ability) The build quality is SUPERB it doesn't, really doesn't feel like plastic-y like the SGS. When that one member commented something about breaking the Tab in half, he was either Trolling on purpose, or he had been trolled BADLY in the first place. The Tab is really sturdy and I couldn't bend it if I wanted to, much less BREAK it. The front is covered with Gorilla Glass for added protection.
It IS rather heavy, so I don't expect to carry it around in any trousers that don't sport a belt, but that's not really a problem. I don't use jeans at all, so don't know about those.
It DOES NOT recharge when connected to a computer via an USB port. The supplied charger, however is standard-looking adapter that plugs into a mains socket and has an USB-port on the top. I will test to see if the tab recharges from a) two usb ports on a computer connected with y-cable, like some 3G modems need or b) 3rd-party USB-charger like that one Samsung supplied (but goes around 5€ rather than ~30€ for the Samsung one...)
Somehow the Tab downloads/installs programs REALLY much faster than the SGS and it doesn't have the "SGS-lag" Supercurio is so adapt at fixing. I haven't tried any benchmarks for scoring, but based on pure opinion and usage, I'd bet that the Tab DOES NOT utilize the same RFS partitions as the SGS. At least it doesn't act like the SGS, which is all good and cool
The battery lasts long, but with only two days of use I can't comment more. I'll just say that as it came pre-charged and I played with it the whole day, it was only down to ~45% in the late evening.
Please, do ask questions about the Tab and I'll answer as much as I can. And I'll add more info about it after a few more days of use.

Thank you for your feedback here.
I also own it for two weeks now and I 100% agree with your comments and experience .
It is the best android device I ever owned to date (and I owned MANY).
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I agree about that "best android device" statement. I really like this Tab a lot.
A couple more bits of info:
Sadly, no, you CANNOT recharge the thing with either a) or b) options. I was using a Deltaco -branded 5€ mains-socket -style usb charger rated with 1A and the Tab refused to work. Also same when connected to computer via y-cable adapter that came with Huawei's 3G modem (takes power from both usb-ports).
The supplied charger is rated at 2A, which might be the point here. I'll continue to search for a 3rd-party charger that would work because I really, really don't feel like ordering any number of the original Samsung adapters at that price.
The screen: OK - it's not a SuperAMOLED screen, which I'm DEEPLY in love with in the SGS. It is just pure bliss and heaven watching that 4" screen with so vibrant colors and awesome contrast - nothing even comes close.
But. It's no standard TFT either. I'd say it's just on par with normal AMOLED/SuperLCD screens used in the HTC Desire currently. Definitely better than the HTC Hero's screen. The black is not as black as SGS's SuperAMOLED but otherwise the color reproduction is quite close to that. It's crisp and contrasty enough.
I'm not complaining at all

Thanks for the review man
Its great to see that the battery is up to some heavy usage and that its nice and smooth to use.
As soon as vodafone gets its act together and puts them up for order here, I'll have mine 24 hours after that Still can't believe that its so close to release and there's no prices *grumble*

This has been discussed before... the tab will charge over powered USB. Just very, very slowly.

The USB can be plugged into an Apple Iphone socket and used in the wall as well to charge....

ftgg99 said:
This has been discussed before... the tab will charge over powered USB. Just very, very slowly.
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Well, I'd really like this to be true. But unfortunately at least my Tab doesn't. Or then it recharges REALLY slow, I mean less than 1% in 3 hours. I tried.
Mine just displays the charge icon overlaid by a circle with a slash when connected to any other than the supplied charger.
I don't own an iphone so can't try that charger.
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Just a correction, with launcher pro you can have even a 10x10 grid, the option is under homescreen settings
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Azhad said:
Just a correction, with launcher pro you can have even a 10x10 grid, the option is under homescreen settings
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Not REALLY, no. It's just a grid to arrange the icons, it's not "the real thing". As in, with that columns/rows option, LP just crops/cuts the icons/widgets and sticks them to the screen. MOST of the time this just looks HORRIBLE. There's another option that allows the real 4x5 grid, and that's what I'm talking about. The columns/rows option is just a "virtual" grid over the "real" one.
Ok, I don't make much sense, but try it. I wouldn't keep those options up more than absolutely necessary, they destroy any semblance of nice visuals there is
EDIT: Hookay, TRY before speaking... I was talking with the experience of using that option in the Galaxy S.. on Tab it ACTUALLY looks kinda good... I admit, my fault. -> I'm now using a grid of 6x7 and it looks mighty good - thanks for that mate!

AnttiV said:
Well, I'd really like this to be true. But unfortunately at least my Tab doesn't. Or then it recharges REALLY slow, I mean less than 1% in 3 hours. I tried.
Mine just displays the charge icon overlaid by a circle with a slash when connected to any other than the supplied charger.
I don't own an iphone so can't try that charger.
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It will charge faster off a powered hub or one of the ports at the back of your pc. Im using a dlink port replicator and when the tab is plugged in i can play angry birds without losing battery...

ftgg99 said:
It will charge faster off a powered hub or one of the ports at the back of your pc. Im using a dlink port replicator and when the tab is plugged in i can play angry birds without losing battery...
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I always (regarding phones, at least) use a powered hub (or my G19 keyboard, which acts like a powered hub anyways), or the aforementioned Deltaco-brand charger that outputs 1A (double the amount of a powered usb port) but still no dice. My Tab just DOES NOT recharge on anything else that I have available than the supplied 2A-rated Samsung charger. I haven't tried y-cabling two of those, but honestly, that is going a bit too far
Fortunately, recharging the Tab is not that an issue as it is with the SGS, I'm still only down to 52% battery and I last recharged yesterday evening-ish or so. Played with it a lot and read late at night. Been surfing and doing stuff the whole day with it. I'm guessing from current battery drain that I can get around 20h of near-constant use out of it, which is way more than I expected so I'm very happy with it.

AnttiV said:
Since they all work with the same contract via MultiSIM, I can use every device interchangeably as they all ring the same time and calls come from the same number regardless of what device I call from.).
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Can you please give further information on this ~ as in where you got the SIM's from, how much, what kind of tariff, etc. etc.
I would dearly love to use the same SIM contract on both my Galaxy S & Tab.

Beards said:
Can you please give further information on this ~ as in where you got the SIM's from, how much, what kind of tariff, etc. etc.
I would dearly love to use the same SIM contract on both my Galaxy S & Tab.
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Well, it is kind of standard here in Finland for operators to offer such service. Mine is from Saunalahti. The original contract is from 2006? or 2008 I don't really remember. It includes 3000 min of calls to the same (and parent/sister) operator. Monthly payment is 0€. (it was originally like this because I took a phone at the same time.)
Later I added a data plan to it that's 13.90€ per month, includes unlimited data at unlimited speed (depends on network) and MultiSIM for up to 5 devices total. All features of the original and data plans are accessible from all the five devices simultaneously except sms messages only arrive to the device with the original sim card.
Well, that's it, really.
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AnttiV said:
Well, it is kind of standard here in Finland for operators to offer such service. Mine is from Saunalahti. The original contract is from 2006? or 2008 I don't really remember. It includes 3000 min of calls to the same (and parent/sister) operator. Monthly payment is 0€. (it was originally like this because I took a phone at the same time.)
Later I added a data plan to it that's 13.90€ per month, includes unlimited data at unlimited speed (depends on network) and MultiSIM for up to 5 devices total. All features of the original and data plans are accessible from all the five devices simultaneously except sms messages only arrive to the device with the original sim card.
Well, that's it, really.
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Many thanks..... Appreciated.
If anyone in the UK has heard of a similar deal I would be very interested.
I'm currently on T-Mobile and they told me they do not do multi-SIM deals.
I seem to remember Tesco selling two cards for one some time back but this has now stopped.
Thanks in advance.

My opinions are here.
Clowneh said:
Yeah I got mine at lunchtime on Monday from CPW on Oxford Street. Came with a free 16GB memory card. I ended up going for the £500 deal + £10 monthly contract.
First impressions are that it's just a big phone. It does everything my HD2 loaded with Android 2.2 does, perhaps a little bit less! My tab does seem to like streaming my mp4 files from a http server even though they stream on my phone. Another minor minor quibble is that the Facebook contacts don't sync pictures with my current contacts but I'm not too arsed about that.
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First impression - interesting but flawed device

Finally got hold of my third native Honeycomb tablet. Got rid of the touchwiz immediately and have now used it a full day inside and out.
Its a great device because:
- its light
- best display panel of all the well known aslates
- its really light
Lacks in a few areas:
- mediocre build quality
- speakers are crap
- no sd card slot
- annoying sammy cable makes me very angry at god for not punishing the wicked in a more immediate, literal way
So, there dont seem to be any builds of 3.2 yet, which i kind of liked having on the xoom. What kernels are people recommending for a stock 3.1 rom?
Regarding the xoom vs 10.1 - the xoom feels antique in comparison. Why moto, oh why did you make it so thick and heavy?

I've been using Pershoot's kernal since I first got mine and have been very happy with it
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Oddly, they sound a lot better if you can hold the Tab on both sides with your palms cupping them, serving as an impromptu speaker cone.
That's obviously not a great solution, but it does make them seem louder since the sound is not going off to the side. There are some cases and attachments for the iPad that do this, but I've not seen one for the Galaxy yet. They're kind of awkward anyway.
The best tablet speakers (that I've heard anyway) are on the poor HP Touchpad. Nice, loud, and clear. I don't regret picking up a few when they were available for $99. HP could've really had a good product given some OS refinements and another generation of hardware. Alas, that's another subject.

ftgg99 said:
Finally got hold of my third native Honeycomb tablet. Got rid of the touchwiz immediately and have now used it a full day inside and out.
Its a great device because:
- its light
- best display panel of all the well known aslates
- its really light
Lacks in a few areas:
- mediocre build quality
- speakers are crap
- no sd card slot
- annoying sammy cable makes me very angry at god for not punishing the wicked in a more immediate, literal way
So, there dont seem to be any builds of 3.2 yet, which i kind of liked having on the xoom. What kernels are people recommending for a stock 3.1 rom?
Regarding the xoom vs 10.1 - the xoom feels antique in comparison. Why moto, oh why did you make it so thick and heavy?
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Speakers are crap? They are the best sounding IMHO of any tablet I have tried already.
Transformer - worst speaker quality, very tinny
Iconia - Good sounding, just not enough volume
Xoom - Very good volume, bass sounds a bit distorted
Galaxy 10.1 - Very good volume, does not overdo the bass like the Xoom
Rob

silverball.slayer said:
Speakers are crap? They are the best sounding IMHO of any tablet I have tried already.
Transformer - worst speaker quality, very tinny
Iconia - Good sounding, just not enough volume
Xoom - Very good volume, bass sounds a bit distorted
Galaxy 10.1 - Very good volume, does not overdo the bass like the Xoom
Rob
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I have to agree. The speaker quality is actually pretty darn good but in my case I ran into issues due to how I was holding it. This was me so I won't tell anyone else they aren't holding it right so I don't sound like an Apple representative but coming from an iPad I did have some slight re-adjustments to deal with.
I agree on the cons like lack of SD, pathetic Sammy cable, but the build quality I have to disagree with. Granted, the metal body of the iPad has spoiled me but I have to admit the Tab 10.1 build is actually pretty good giving the slim factor.

Not sure what your deal with the cable is. If you had a Transformer, you'd be stuck with a cable that's even shorter than the one for the Tab, can't use standard USB extenders for charging, can't even use a normal 5V USB charger, and the only source for spares is to buy a $30 charging kit.
At least you can get a spare for the Tab on eBay for under $5.

ftgg99 said:
Finally got hold of my third native Honeycomb tablet. Got rid of the touchwiz immediately and have now used it a full day inside and out.
Its a great device because:
- its light
- best display panel of all the well known aslates
- its really light
Lacks in a few areas:
- mediocre build quality
- speakers are crap
- no sd card slot
- annoying sammy cable makes me very angry at god for not punishing the wicked in a more immediate, literal way
So, there dont seem to be any builds of 3.2 yet, which i kind of liked having on the xoom. What kernels are people recommending for a stock 3.1 rom?
Regarding the xoom vs 10.1 - the xoom feels antique in comparison. Why moto, oh why did you make it so thick and heavy?
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Agree with all of your point except for the speakers. It wasn't too bad at all. Maybe my initial expectation was lower than yours but it wasn't bad at all

I have owned a number of tablets including the galaxy tab 10.1 (still own), xoom (still own), asus transformer (sold), and the original ipad (sold). I don't agree with most of the cons that you listed, at least compared to my experience with my other devices.
The tab has the best speakers of all of them, in my opinion, and the build quality is at least on par with the others listed, except for the transformer which really did have some build quality issues. The propietary charging/data cable is also a necessary evil. The only tablet that I've tried without one is the xoom, and since you can't charge it with the usb cable then I don't really see the point. You just end up having to carry the charger and the usb cable with you instead of one proprietary cable. The cable for the tab is also readily available for a cheap price, which can't be said about the others. The advantages of 3.2 are also limited in my opinion, with a major disadvantage of having to set a static IP address to avoid the wifi problems associated with 3.2 that I have experienced on both the xoom and the transformer.
I will agree that not having an sd card slot is a drawback, but it's not like you didn't know that when you bought it.

droidx1978z4 said:
I have owned a number of tablets including the galaxy tab 10.1 (still own), xoom (still own), asus transformer (sold), and the original ipad (sold). I don't agree with most of the cons that you listed, at least compared to my experience with my other devices.
The tab has the best speakers of all of them, in my opinion, and the build quality is at least on par with the others listed, except for the transformer which really did have some build quality issues. The propietary charging/data cable is also a necessary evil. The only tablet that I've tried without one is the xoom, and since you can't charge it with the usb cable then I don't really see the point. You just end up having to carry the charger and the usb cable with you instead of one proprietary cable. The cable for the tab is also readily available for a cheap price, which can't be said about the others. The advantages of 3.2 are also limited in my opinion, with a major disadvantage of having to set a static IP address to avoid the wifi problems associated with 3.2 that I have experienced on both the xoom and the transformer.
I will agree that not having an sd card slot is a drawback, but it's not like you didn't know that when you bought it.
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I've had mine since Thursday. I agree with everything quoted above. I guess it comes down to expectations. I mean all tablets are just similar rectangular boxes that do the same thing. How different can they be expected to be when they all have to sell within the same narrow price band? At least with Samsung you know there's a long-term commitment to the Tab's success and they do far better than others with s/w implementation and updates. It meets or exceeds my expectations based on what I paid for it.

I picked up some of the tiny iHome iHM78 speakers from Best Buy because I was having trouble with some videos having low volume even turned all the way up (and I don't like wearing headphones all the time). While I agree with the comment about cupping the speakers, these little iHome jobs are pretty amazing in my opinion. I mean you aren't going to get thumping bass, but for the size I find the sound pretty clear and crisp. I travel all over the world almost every day of the year, and they're small enough that carrying them won't be a burden.

The only drawback I see with this tablet is the awful cable, not the connect just the overall lenght. The build quality has been excellent for me, the speakers are loud and clear enough, and I have an SD card work around (USB connector) so its all good. Its the best Android tablet you can buy (subjective, I know) until the newer tablets with Ice Cream appear......
° Digging your Fear and Loathing avatar....

I consider tablet speakers should be on-par with laptop speakers. They're fine if it's just you listening to it - but I keep a set of mobile speakers on-hand if I want to show stuff off to people.
So yeah, the speakers on my 10.1 are fine, relatively speaking. But I don't expect them pump out sound like they're high-quality Bose speakers, either.

i360 said:
The only drawback I see with this tablet is the awful cable, not the connect just the overall length.
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I solved this with a double length cable from Amazon for $10. But I agree in general I am against proprietary connectors...I am worried about wear and tear of the connector port on the device rendering it useless (although I have a 2 year warranty so not the end of the world).
echo511 said:
high-quality Bose speakers
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Oxymoron?

Would you recommend getting it?
I want one and will have enough money but I'm not sure I'd have a use for it :/ Are there any major issues with it?
Thanks
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TangoEight said:
Would you recommend getting it?
I want one and will have enough money but I'm not sure I'd have a use for it :/ Are there any major issues with it?
Thanks
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Go for it - right now its the lightest and has the best screen, a great device for the couch and the plane trip.
HcMAX said:
Which room do you advice?
Thanks
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I'm a kitchen fan myself...

ftgg99 said:
Go for it - right now its the lightest and has the best screen, a great device for the couch and the plane trip.
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that's what I just bought mine for and I love it!

ftgg99 said:
Finally got hold of my third native Honeycomb tablet. Got rid of the touchwiz immediately and have now used it a full day inside and out.
Its a great device because:
- its light
- best display panel of all the well known aslates
- its really light
Lacks in a few areas:
- mediocre build quality
- speakers are crap
- no sd card slot
- annoying sammy cable makes me very angry at god for not punishing the wicked in a more immediate, literal way
So, there dont seem to be any builds of 3.2 yet, which i kind of liked having on the xoom. What kernels are people recommending for a stock 3.1 rom?
Regarding the xoom vs 10.1 - the xoom feels antique in comparison. Why moto, oh why did you make it so thick and heavy?
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Speakers are great, better than my laptop speakers, the build quality is really nice, makes it really light which is awesome, I don't care much about the lack of microsd, a con for me is no native hdmi port and eay the cable is annoying. Other than that, this tablet is AWESOME.

I do like it, no question. But mine had flex that had to be fixed, and imo the position of the speakers is what makes them inferior... and there are no boxes, i looked.

Thank you for adding me to your ignore list. At this point I consider it an honor.

Please Keep this Thread on TOPIC i should not have to Delete 24 posts of CRAP from here.
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