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whats with the missing video call front camera

i find it a very weird (and potentially a major problem) design decision that HTC left out the front camera for 3G video call. they have had them in all 3G phones since the universal (2005). why on earth would they stop it. is it really hard to add that front camera in that small place
is there a technical limitations preventing that?
will it be possible to hack in a video call dialer that uses the back camera
i imagine that there will be no need to even enable the power hungry 3G radio most of the time. it makes sense to only temporarily enable it if you are planning to stay browsing for a while

THE GRIZZ said:
i find it a very weird (and potentially a major problem) design decision that HTC left out the front camera for 3G video call. they have had them in all 3G phones since the universal (2005). why on earth would they stop it. is it really hard to add that front camera in that small place
is there a technical limitations preventing that?
will it be possible to hack in a video call dialer that uses the back camera
i imagine that there will be no need to even enable the power hungry 3G radio most of the time. it makes sense to only temporarily enable it if you are planning to stay browsing for a while
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I for one won't miss it. I have only ever used it once and that was to test it. You can never guarentee you're going to be in a 3g area or the person you are calling is. I have used the camera on the front of the Touch Pro to take pictures of me with my kids etc, and it takes better pictures than the main one.

Never used one and probably never will. Not a great loss from my point of view

I would think it would be pretty crucial if one wanted to use it for communicating with sign language.
Other than that I never really meet people that actually use it. Would be interesting to see some statistics about this. My thought is that very few people use it but I may be wrong.

5MP camera - check
Flash - check
Accelerometer - check
Digital compass - check
aGPS - check
3.5mm jack - check
WVGA display - check
+4" display - check
Capacitive touchscreen - check
Ambient light sensor - check
microSD card support - check
WiFi - check
Bluetooth v2.1 - check
1GHz CPU - check
FM radio - check
Proximity sensor - check
448MB RAM - check
Future WM7 support - check
AMOLED display - oh no!
Front camera - oh dear!
TV out - say it's not true!
QWERTY keyboard - you gotta be kidding me!
Now no manufacturer will put every single available hardware feature in a phone. It's never happened. It'll never happen! So...which of the features that HTC have included would you be willing to sacrifice for your front camera? Or your TV out? QWERTY keyboard?
And if those features are so important to you then which of the features that are included in the HD2 are you willing to sacrifice in favour of another model?
I'm sure if we did a poll things like TV out and a front camera would be bottom of most peoples' lists of "must haves".

Ruudfood said:
I'm sure if we did a poll things like TV out and a front camera would be bottom of most peoples' lists of "must haves".
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Lets do it and find out but yeh what you say is true never gonna happen
On the note i have never used to front video camera on mine atm so no loss. Also the video out cool idea but honestly the amount of times id use it i dotn really care, never had it so never gonna miss it kinda thing

I never needed TV out and a front camera. This bad boy hd2 is so loaded with great specs that I like It will be a must have for me (and many other buyers)

THE GRIZZ said:
i find it a very weird (and potentially a major problem) design decision that HTC left out the front camera for 3G video call. they have had them in all 3G phones since the universal (2005). why on earth would they stop it. is it really hard to add that front camera in that small place
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No, they haven't had them in all 3G phones - their Android devices are good examples. It's just a choice they made when designing the HD2 - most of the general public (including myself) have no real use for video calling. It's a nice thing to fiddle with once or twice, but being able to see someone is not at all helpful. Of course, there will be a small minority who really miss the feature, but you must remember that HTC is mainly interested in growing fast at the moment - adding a front-facing camera would make the phone (slightly) bigger and more expensive, and it certainly would not make the HD2 sell significantly better.
I have no idea about a dialer designed to use the back-facing camera - that would be pretty nice if it was managed. It might be a bit more complicated than that though...

Must say the same as Teneka_Khan, has never use video call and will never use. For me that is completly useless

I have every month 3000min of free video calls on my contract and even though I have used the video call function only once in last years, I still want to have the video call option on my devive and dialer... I now, there must be something wrong with me...

galaxys said:
I never needed TV out and a front camera. This bad boy hd2 is so loaded with great specs that I like It will be a must have for me (and many other buyers)
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+1 I'm one of those buyers

I was VERY disappointed when i noticed that there was no videocall cam at the front. Even though i never use it The thing is that when you buy i 3G phone today for that amount of money you expect to have a front cam.
There is moments when it's very useful to have.
I almost canceled my pre order because of this

One day people will understand that if a mobile phone has got ALL the tools that everybody wants the manufacturers will be in trouble. Have you seen how much money Apple has made with the iPhone? Why didn't they start with an 8 or 10 MPX camera? They had only 2 MPX and sold like hot-cakes. They upped it to only 3 MPX and, still, sold even more! Are they capable to have a decent camera? Of course they are! So, why don't they have it? Because - and only because - people like some of you will buy a brand new, slightly tweaked, mobile every few months! And this makes them a lot of money! Keep buying them, chaps! We'll NEVER have the complete, perfect, mobile because the likes of HTC, Apple, Nokia, Sumsung, Sony Ericsson, etc, are not inclined to give us everything in one go. Can you get it? If you want a front camera go and buy a mobile with a front camera; there are dozens of them. The HD2 DOESN'T have one. BUT has lots of other stuff that you cannot find somewhere else. Probably the HD3 or 4 or 5 will have the camera some of you so much crave - even though you never, ever used it! You know what are the HD2 specs. Don't like them? Move on! HTC is not going to install one in the next incarnation of the HD range just because you are pissed off with them... If this model sells well, of course they will have something better next time - but the "bettering" will be done in their own (future financial) terms. I am not criticizing them! I would do the same if it made sense, financially, to my company...

aiwama said:
One day people will understand that if a mobile phone has got ALL the tools that everybody wants the manufacturers will be in trouble. Have you seen how much money Apple has made with the iPhone? Why didn't they start with an 8 or 10 MPX camera? They had only 2 MPX and sold like hot-cakes. They upped it to only 3 MPX and, still, sold even more! Are they capable to have a decent camera? Of course they are! So, why don't they have it? Because - and only because - people like some of you will buy a brand new, slightly tweaked, mobile every few months! And this makes them a lot of money! Keep buying them, chaps! We'll NEVER have the complete, perfect, mobile because the likes of HTC, Apple, Nokia, Sumsung, Sony Ericsson, etc, are not inclined to give us everything in one go. Can you get it? If you want a front camera go and buy a mobile with a front camera; there are dozens of them. The HD2 DOESN'T have one. BUT has lots of other stuff that you cannot find somewhere else. Probably the HD3 or 4 or 5 will have the camera some of you so much crave - even though you never, ever used it! You know what are the HD2 specs. Don't like them? Move on! HTC is not going to install one in the next incarnation of the HD range just because you are pissed off with them... If this model sells well, of course they will have something better next time - but the "bettering" will be done in their own (future financial) terms.
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I don't agree! Touch HD has everything if you were making an argument here. Why couldn't HD2 do the same, this is kinda dissapointment, but I will get HD2 whether it has or doesn't with a front camera. It was a huge dissapointment to me too and I don't think we are expecting too much. But I can compromise that. And it is not a huge problem without front camera, we just have to stay with HD2 without the fun video call that most of the users seldom use.

precsmo said:
I don't agree! Touch HD has everything if you were making an argument here. Why couldn't HD2 do the same, this is kinda dissapointment, but I will get HD2 whether it has or doesn't with a front camera. It was a huge dissapointment to me too and I don't think we are expecting too much. But I can compromise that. And it is not a huge problem without front camera, we just have to stay with HD2 without the fun video call that most of the users seldom use.
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Does the Touch HD have a 1GHz processor? No! Is it as thin as the HD2? No! Does it have the Sense UI? No! Does it have tethering? No! Is the screen as big? No! Does it have a capacitive screen? No! If the HD2 had EVERYTHING that the Touch HD has, nobody would carry on buying the latter! The (very few) lovers of front cameras will still go for it. Others, me included, will upgrade and move on to the HD2. And 99% of our time with it will be to make and receive phone calls and play and show off. How many of us really, really, use Office Mobile, or the FM Radio, or the MP3 Trimmer, or the Voice Recorder, or even the Video Camera on a regular basis? Would you kill yourselves if you had a mobile without all these things? Ten years ago (not even that longer) we all survived without them...

aiwama said:
One day people will understand that if a mobile phone has got ALL the tools that everybody wants the manufacturers will be in trouble. Have you seen how much money Apple has made with the iPhone? Why didn't they start with an 8 or 10 MPX camera? They had only 2 MPX and sold like hot-cakes. They upped it to only 3 MPX and, still, sold even more! Are they capable to have a decent camera? Of course they are! So, why don't they have it? Because - and only because - people like some of you will buy a brand new, slightly tweaked, mobile every few months! And this makes them a lot of money! Keep buying them, chaps! We'll NEVER have the complete, perfect, mobile because the likes of HTC, Apple, Nokia, Sumsung, Sony Ericsson, etc, are not inclined to give us everything in one go. Can you get it? If you want a front camera go and buy a mobile with a front camera; there are dozens of them. The HD2 DOESN'T have one. BUT has lots of other stuff that you cannot find somewhere else. Probably the HD3 or 4 or 5 will have the camera some of you so much crave - even though you never, ever used it! You know what are the HD2 specs. Don't like them? Move on! HTC is not going to install one in the next incarnation of the HD range just because you are pissed off with them... If this model sells well, of course they will have something better next time - but the "bettering" will be done in their own (future financial) terms. I am not criticizing them! I would do the same if it made sense, financially, to my company...
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You have it completely and utterly wrong. I don't know why there are so many paranoid people who think the phone manufacturers are out to get them, plotting their evil plans to screw you over.
That isn't how it works.
Think about it - if some mythical phone company made the "perfect" (that's a whole other discussion!) device, they would grab close to 100% of the market. Put the slightest of effort into understanding basic logic and ask yourself why HTC would setting for a fraction of the Windows Phone market, which in turn is but a fraction of the entire phone market, when you claim they could make a "perfect" device, which would give them market dominance? Oh no, just to screw you, one paranoid little customer over, they choose to make rubbish phones. Sheesh.
Why no front camera? First, look at just about every response here and everywhere else - as much as video calling has been hyped, next to nobody uses it! I was one of those who thought at first "wow what an oversight" but after a few seconds thought - not really. It's an extra cost that doesn't have to be passed on to the consumer, it's less electronics and optics that need to fit in, so we get a thinner, lighter device with more room for a bigger screen.
Percentage of people who "need" a video camera on the front? 1% maybe. Percentage of people who appreciate a cheaper, smaller, more robust device with more room for a bigger screen? 99%. Do the flippin' maths.
Apply the same for everything else. What are the costs of including feature X? What are the benefits? What percentage of people will be attracted/put off by this feature being present/absent, and how many more units will the sell if they can lower the price by not including it?
Now doesn't that make so much more sense than "bwahahaha what features can we deliberately leave out to piss people off, so we get fewer customers and make less money! Hahaha I am an illogical evil overlord who loves to lose money!"?
Logic, people... it's not a swear word.

ToddeSwe said:
I was VERY disappointed when i noticed that there was no videocall cam at the front. Even though i never use it The thing is that when you buy i 3G phone today for that amount of money you expect to have a front cam.
There is moments when it's very useful to have.
I almost canceled my pre order because of this
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EXactly! Nothing to add from me so far! Why they dropped it from feature list? 640 EUR should be enough money, shouldn't it?

aiwama said:
Does the Touch HD have a 1GHz processor? No! Is it as thin as the HD2? No! Does it have the Sense UI? No! Does it have tethering? No! Is the screen as big? No! Does it have a capacitive screen? No! If the HD2 had EVERYTHING that the Touch HD has, nobody would carry on buying the latter! The (very few) lovers of front cameras will still go for it. Others, me included, will upgrade and move on to the HD2. And 99% of our time with it will be to make and receive phone calls and play and show off. How many of us really, really, use Office Mobile, or the FM Radio, or the MP3 Trimmer, or the Voice Recorder, or even the Video Camera on a regular basis? Would you kill yourselves if you had a mobile without all these things? Ten years ago (not even that longer) we all survived without them...
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this is entirely your own opinion. I wouldn't think that is how phone companies do like what you're trying to say here. Whatever you mentioned here about what HD2 has and Touch HD doesn't, these are not related to whether it has or not with the front camera. As I've said, we are not expecting much. It is pretty normal nowadays especially for HTC phones with these specs to have a front camera. You are only assuming how HTC do, but I don't agree this. Whether it or not with a front camera, HD2 will still sell like hot cakes. And HTC really does not need to worry if HD2 with front camera or not will affect Touch HD sales. It is obvious Touch HD is selling cheaper now, it still can sell as it is or consider as replaced by HD2.

I use my front camera every day to talk with my wife and son. I just love it. TV out is useless BUT it makes sense to have in a HD devise. In the end HD2 is not an HD. Does it have AMOLED screen? No! Does it record at least 720p video? No! So it is far away from the HD world. Omnia 2 is closer. Sure the 1GHz processor is the best!
Let's see what HTC will launch on the next GSM World in Barcelona! Today I'm happy with my Touch Pro 2.

Marcus Tavares said:
I use my front camera every day to talk with my wife and son. I just love it. TV out is useless BUT it makes sense to have in a HD devise. In the end HD2 is not an HD. Does it have AMOLED screen? No! Does it record at least 720p video? No! So it is far away from the HD world. Omnia 2 is closer. Sure the 1GHz processor is the best!
Let's see what HTC will launch on the next GSM World in Barcelona! Today I'm happy with my Touch Pro 2.
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yeahh..What a pity if Leo doesn't has front camera..sometimes it's very useful for some personal purpose..

30FPS Issue is in 1 word OUTRAGEOUS... Proposed "clean" solution?

I know this has been said again and again, but I just have to put my opinion out there..
To realize what provoked this thread see here and a benchmark test on youtube where the evo gets pwnt by the nexus one and droid x on so many levels.
HTC claims that the reason EVERY other android phone can get twice as much frames per second as us is because they don't have an HDMI port..
Did they really think that was gonna fly?
I'd gladly never use my hdmi port to have smooth as butter 60FPS.. and to set the record straight we DO notice the difference.
At the very least they could have imposed the limit only when content is being output via hdmi!
I cannot understand how they thought we'd sit back and allow this.
Android is the home of nerds, enthusiasts, overclockers, benchmarkers and rom chefs.
This isn't the typical iphone userbase, we notice a lack of performance and inefficiency.
Both of which our phones are in no short supply of..
Our tests and kernel tweaks have proved that this DEFECT can be bypassed, so why are they still going on about hardware limitations?
How come our PREMIUM phones that we have to pay an extra 10 bucks per month just to own, can't even catch up to the very first android phone (G1) in terms of 2D FPS?
How come everybody else is capable of 60fps while we with our "revolutionary multimedia phones" can't even churn out anything past 30FPS without tweaks, and hacks, and best of all voiding our warranties.
It's ****ing blasphemy I tell you.
How about a rom that allows for disabling of hdmi?
I don't know just how ingrained it is with the snapdragon CPU or more likely the gpu, but it's surely possible.
I mean how many of us would've gotten these phones if we knew it was either hdmi or 60fps?

Hdmi has nothing to do with the cap.
This belongs here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=699290

topdnbass said:
HTC claims that the reason EVERY other android phone can get twice as much frames per second as us is because they don't have an HDMI port..
Did they really think that was gonna fly?
I'd gladly never use my hdmi port to have smooth as butter 60FPS.. and to set the record straight we DO notice the difference.
At the very least they could have imposed the limit only when content is being output via hdmi! <-That should be a poll option
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Aridon said:
Hdmi has nothing to do with the cap.
This belongs here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=699290
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HDMI is their excuse isn't it, Droid X has HDMI will it always be limited to 30FPS?

Personally, I'd rather loose battery life and HDMI (never going to use that ****) output for no lag and better performance.
At least give us the option, HTC.

For the most part HDMI out, is a "feature for friends".
I don't think that many of us are ACTUALLY using this often.
I mean it's nice to have and i'm sure it can come into handy one day, but not at this expense!
Hdmi has nothing to do with the cap.
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According to Keith Nowak it has very much to do with hdmi..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713677
I have sifted through that convoluted thread.. but see no indication that anything else is causing the cap..
So then? What IS causing it.

topdnbass said:
For the most part HDMI out, is a "feature for friends".
I don't think that many of us are ACTUALLY using this often.
I mean it's nice to have and i'm sure it can come into handy one day, but not at this expense!
According to Keith Nowak it has very much to do with hdmi..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713677
I have sifted through that convoluted thread.. but see no indication that anything else is causing the cap..
So then? What IS causing it.
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are you implying i have no friends?

Indeed.
Screw implying.
You straight up got no friends bro!
Sorry, better luck next time.
Sent from my Evo 4G

I don't really understand why I'd use hdmi. This thing isn't pushing out .mkv files is it?
And you better believe I'm not spending extra money on a fancy mini hdmi cord. F that.
Take out the hdmi, give me a freaking Ethernet port instead Haha. Id prolly use that at least once, which will be more than I ever use hdmi.
(Actually come to think of it 4g to wired Ethernet tether for devices that don't support usb tether would be rather slick.)

Now that HTC fixed the grounding issue on the phone with the OTA update, my attention is now completely on the FPS issue. This is really frustrating. I have 5 days left to return my phone and I am really trying to figure out what to do. I don't want to go to Verizon because it's more expensive and I'm still in contract until Oct if I return the Evo. $50 ETF isn't a huge deal though. I've never been an apple fan and have never personally owned an iPhone but when you put the Evo next to Apple's latest, the screen choppiness really shows. It makes me mad. It makes me feel like the Evo is still behind the iPhone (when on paper is was not at all).
Look, I'm not sitting here saying that 30FPS is making my phone crappy and less enjoyable. The thought of getting duped by HTC is what bothers me. HTC sold us something on paper, and delivered something else. Isn't that called bait and switch?
Another problem is that none of the Sprint sales people, HTC customer service reps, or Best Buy/RS employees know enough about FPS to realize what it has done to our "wicked fast" phone. They look at us like we're crazy. I was describing the grounding issue to my local RS sales guy and he was giving me a look like I was being a baby about it.

Even though the 30 fps cap is still there the new update has gotten rid of all the screen lag I've had in sense and the browser.

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Even though the 30 fps cap is still there the new update has gotten rid of all the screen lag I've had in sense and the browser.
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The motion blur you see when you swipe screens or scroll in the browser is a result of 30FPS. I still have it after the update. Use a nexus one or droid and you'll see the difference. It's very noticeable side-by-side. Sure, I don't see it when I'm using my phone. My brain gets used to it. The problem is that phones that have been out for 12 months have better screen motion than we do with our "wicked fast" phone.

meh at least we don't have to deal with this:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=954054

Wow! Seems pretty widespread... That really sucks. On top of that, they have to deal with the manipulations as Apple tries to dodge the complaints.

Great another post of so me one whining go return the phone, please return your phone and get a box of tampons

BrianDigital said:
Great another post of so me one whining go return the phone, please return your phone and get a box of tampons
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I'll make sure to get you an English 101 book while I'm out shopping.

coolguy949 said:
I'll make sure to get you an English 101 book while I'm out shopping.
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Hardy har, atleast I used one comma hey look htc just released a patch to fix the cap. Soley based off your whiney post

This is a public forum. People complain on it. Get used to it.

ahh fanboys make me smile

[Q] HTC Aria ARMv6 vs. ARMv7

I'm a new HTC Aria owner and with all the research I did before my purchase I seemed to have missed the fact that this is an ARMv6 processor. I see now that certain applications require ARMv7 (Google Earth is an example), or seem to prefer ARMv7 (Firefox Fennec).
So here's my question: Should I care that much about ARMv6 vs. ARMv7? Will I end up unable to use most (or perhaps "key") Market-Place applications because of the "old" chip?
I have two weeks to return this device or I'm stuck. And I know I'm sort of asking a loaded question. But I'd like to hear some ranting and raving on both sides of the issue, so I can read, think, and make a better-informed choice.
Let me thank everyone in advance for some useful, civil, discussion! ;-)

The reason I kept my aria was for its size. It fits perfect in my pocket. Other android devices boast screen size but the larger devices feel awkward. I haven't had any issues with what I do on my phone. It really boils down to what you look for in a phone.
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wpscully said:
I'm a new HTC Aria owner and with all the research I did before my purchase I seemed to have missed the fact that this is an ARMv6 processor. I see now that certain applications require ARMv7 (Google Earth is an example), or seem to prefer ARMv7 (Firefox Fennec).
So here's my question: Should I care that much about ARMv6 vs. ARMv7? Will I end up unable to use most (or perhaps "key") Market-Place applications because of the "old" chip?
I have two weeks to return this device or I'm stuck. And I know I'm sort of asking a loaded question. But I'd like to hear some ranting and raving on both sides of the issue, so I can read, think, and make a better-informed choice.
Let me thank everyone in advance for some useful, civil, discussion! ;-)
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Yes, you will regret it... I know I did... the Aria seems fine at the beginning.. but them there come the limitations of an old chip.... and is not fun anymore... so no Full Flash,, no google earth, no firefox.... no cool 3d games... no 720p video recording, etc... I'm waiting for my Samsung Vibrant to arrive tomorrow... so I can sell the Aria....

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Yes, you will regret it... I know I did... the Aria seems fine at the beginning.. but them there come the limitations of an old chip.... and is not fun anymore... so no Full Flash,, no google earth, no firefox.... no cool 3d games... no 720p video recording, etc... I'm waiting for my Samsung Vibrant to arrive tomorrow... so I can sell the Aria....
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to each his own

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to each his own
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Amen.
Honestly, when you are shopping for a phone there are so many choices that it is almost like car shopping. You commit to two years and are basically married to the thing. The reasons why you buy an Aria over a Captivate are because of its size, it's construction, it's form factor (subjective, sure, but this is a DAMN SEXY phone), etc. It can do many dinky doinky things just fine (push email, calendar, yadda yadda). But if your desire is to have something that is more "fully loaded" so that you can run any app, then yes, get something more hard core.
I use DVD Fab on my home PC to rip movie files into WMV format, and with ES File Explorer I can watch "The Godfather" with my stereo bluetooth headset while on the eliptical at the gym. I use an eReader, I social network, and I play all my music while I study/workout/drive somewhere.
These are my reasons for owning an Aria, but every pot has a lid and your mileage my vary.

As it's been said, it's really your own decision, but I thought I'd comment on the few apps you mentioned. The things you said you're missing out on are pretty much Flash, Google Earth, Fennec not being optimized, and maybe some higher quality video support.
Flash is the big one here since on the basic web it does help make browsing a full featured experience. So if you browse the web a ton and make use of Flash then you'll notice it. For me I don't really notice a lack of flash, especially since there's an app for a lot of stuff that would normally use it. Also, more things are going to HTML5 and away from Flash.
Google Earth is honestly just a toy on the phone. I can see having fun with it, but not any practical uses. Firefox Fennec is honestly bloated. Even if it did run well on the phone it's current install is 33mb. That's pretty large for a phone app. I use Chrome and Chrome to Phone to sync bookmarks and the like. As far as video support goes, the Aria doesn't have a high resolution and it's not really a media-centric phone. If you're planning on watching a lot of stuff I'd say go for the Captivate.
Anyway, I love my Aria. It was inexpensive, it's small, yet still powerful, and I think it works great for any practical uses.

I've been using my Aria for 2 months, and I've experienced no "limitations". I watch youtube videos, download market apps, play games, take pictures, record movies, listen to music, browse the internet, post on forums, plan trips.
I haven't found one thing yet that I wanted to do with my phone that I couldn't. I've used a Captivate, and I still prefer my Aria, especially now that we have CM6 w/ FroYo.
But this is just my experience. Your mileage may vary.
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I have to agree with the others. I've been an Aria owner for a little over two months so far. This little phone is a quite capable device. I got a chance to fool around with the captivate and idk but it didn't really feel right. Sure it probably has the best hardware atm but in reality, it's still a samsung. Never been really a fan of samsung, sorry.
As for flash 10.1, I read page with a list of all the phones that were to get flash. The Aria was one of the phones listed..I think it was listed on gizmodo or engadget, one of those sites. I thought it was interesting seeing it there. Now I can't seem to find the site but I swear it was listed lol.
Anyways this is my first actual smartphone and I'm quite happy with it. I was in the prehistoric age with my SE W810i lol...I figured this phone will keep me occupied till the dual cores with better battery life come out =P
Edit btw..this thread may be of interest to you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=767565

well.. I got my Samsung Vibrant yesterday... I have to say... the Vibrant is superior to the Aria in every aspect.
Is so thin,, it fits better in the back pocket that the Aria, after applying the lag fix the phone is extremely fast and smooth. The screen is just amazing when compared to the Aria... ahhh and watching movies is a hole new experience... Now I can play the 3D games I like... like (Let's Golf and Asphalt 3d), now I have Live wallpapers without lags. 720p Video Recording... whoooo... and I can stream those movies right to my TV using DLNA. the Aria is a cute little phone... but is like comparing a Mini S (Aria) vs. Porsche 911 (Vibrant).

Mhyst said:
Amen.
Honestly, when you are shopping for a phone there are so many choices that it is almost like car shopping. You commit to two years and are basically married to the thing. The reasons why you buy an Aria over a Captivate are because of its size, it's construction, it's form factor (subjective, sure, but this is a DAMN SEXY phone), etc. It can do many dinky doinky things just fine (push email, calendar, yadda yadda). But if your desire is to have something that is more "fully loaded" so that you can run any app, then yes, get something more hard core.
I use DVD Fab on my home PC to rip movie files into WMV format, and with ES File Explorer I can watch "The Godfather" with my stereo bluetooth headset while on the eliptical at the gym. I use an eReader, I social network, and I play all my music while I study/workout/drive somewhere.
These are my reasons for owning an Aria, but every pot has a lid and your mileage my vary.
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Can't agree more. To me the Captivate is too bulky in comparison, the Aria is quite the attractive phone. While it may not have the size screen the Captivate does, it is still an impressive screen. The previous poster mentioned being able to play 3-D games on the Captivate, but I'm not sure if that was meant to say the Aria can't or...? I don't play a lot of games on my phone, I use it generally more for music, video, organization, etc. but I do have some games, including Let's Golf and while I'm sure it runs better on the Captivate, I don't have any issues running and playing it on the Aria. Also, I never have any issues with LWP lagging. To be honest, in CM6, I never have any performance issues whatsoever, granted I don't do much 3-D gaming, but I did buy it for it's smartphone features, not really to game (obviously you may be more interested in gaming than I).
I had the opportunity to trade my Aria in for a Captivate, with about 2 weeks to think it over, in which time I did a lot of reading and used the Captivate in the store several times, and this was pre-CM6. I 100% do not regret my decision in staying with the Aria. The device is quite capable of majority of what you will throw it's way and it'll definitely do it well. Just to put this out there, I know MANY Droid users that are still using their Droid's today without a single complaint as far as performance, and some of their specs are slightly lower than the Aria. If you want a powerhouse, the Captivate is clearly the better choice, but you shouldn't let lack of power deter you from buying an Aria, because it definitely holds its own. Plus, in MY opinion, HTC > Samsung hands down in countless ways; construction, quality, feel, support, etc.
As a side note, there is a Kernal out there to overclock it. I personally haven't used it but my guess it'll bring you within about 200mhz of the Captivate
Oh, and one last thing. Be sure to not take the comments here as immediate fact (in either direction), not accusing, but it was almost implied that the Aria is not capable of certain things that it really is. Make sure to do some more of your own research before you make that final decision.
As far as flash goes, we may not have it right now, but as someone mentioned there are plenty of apps/mobile versions that I hardly notice it and with a community as great as the Android one I wouldn't be suprised to see flash support on the Aria sometime in the future.

Full flash requires instructions from ARMv7 architecture, so says Cyanogen.

eortizr said:
well.. I got my Samsung Vibrant yesterday... I have to say... the Vibrant is superior to the Aria in every aspect.
Is so thin,, it fits better in the back pocket that the Aria, after applying the lag fix the phone is extremely fast and smooth. The screen is just amazing when compared to the Aria... ahhh and watching movies is a hole new experience... Now I can play the 3D games I like... like (Let's Golf and Asphalt 3d), now I have Live wallpapers without lags. 720p Video Recording... whoooo... and I can stream those movies right to my TV using DLNA. the Aria is a cute little phone... but is like comparing a Mini S (Aria) vs. Porsche 911 (Vibrant).
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Did you bother reading the specifications of the Aria prior to buying one? It really doesn't seem like it judging from your two posts in this thread. I hope you don't end up sitting on your Vibrant

ioft said:
Did you bother reading the specifications of the Aria prior to buying one? It really doesn't seem like it judging from your two posts in this thread. I hope you don't end up sitting on your Vibrant
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I have both phones right know the Vibrant and the Aria.. so I can compare... been using both for 2 days now(been with the Aria for 2 months) the problem with the Aria is its CPU is old ARMv6 by the end of the year everyone with an Aria will be looking for something else..... Vibrant still ahead... The Aria is good I like it... but is not an entertainment device like the Vibrant is.

I got the Aria for the form factor.
I considered the Captivate but it's a big phone and the display had a blue tint that looked like ****.
By the end of the year we will have phones with dual core cpu's anyway and everyone with a Vibrant will want one.
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how do you know thar aria have ARMv6 ?
wildfire what do it have ?

blakerboy777 said:
Full flash requires instructions from ARMv7 architecture, so says Cyanogen.
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If HTC can make Flash Lite work, I'd put my money on this incredibly talented Android community to do SOMETHING in that field. Not saying that the Aria will receive 100% full Adobe Flash support, but I wouldn't say it'll never get any.
By the end of the year we will have phones with dual core cpu's anyway and everyone with a Vibrant will want one.
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Quoted for truth. To say the Aria isn't an entertainment device is pure slander, it entertains the hell out of me. Just because it doesn't have as big a screen or as great a processor doesn't mean it can't play videos, music, games, the like. Not everyone needs the top of the line device to provide them entertainment or satisfaction.

No HDMI output why

So HTC Desire HD announced
But without HDMI Output
Bad news
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Yes, BAD news...
Maybe it has to do with the new DLNA capabilies and the new DLNA accesorie that let's you see DLNA content from the phone on non DLNA compatible TVs

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Yes, BAD news...
Maybe it has to do with the new DLNA capabilies and the new DLNA accesorie that let's you see DLNA content from the phone on non DLNA compatible TVs
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Yes I bet that is the reason
Iosu

Still this is really bad and mostley booring!
I want an tv-out. How else am I suppose to play
emulatorgames on a tv or just bring my phone to a friend
and watch a move I have brought with me?
If Im supposed to have a DLNA-box with me I could just as well
bring my DVD or blueray player (even tough the HTC DLNA-box is small)

DLAN is the reason why
its all wireless, HTC also reviled a box for DLAN adaption if you computer does not have it built in.
i think its got it pro and its cons
the pro is its wireless the cons is that you would have to bring the box with you if you went to a friends house

Well, I hope they will eventually announce a HDMI adapter. DLNA is no way a replacement for the HDMI out. It is able to play multimedia, but cloning/redirecting the Android UI is a no go with DLNA. Stupid move from HTC

DLNA is a Very CLEVER SMART Move from HTC Not for kids though.
Enjoy the future of wireless. How do you think you will lay on coach and play movie from the phone ? 3 Meters long cable ??! That is a no-no!
Instead of blaming HTC just "think again", like National Geographic channel says.

but you dont have to have one or another, do you? And besides how many people have DNLA TVs in comparison to those with HDMI TVs?
By next year the Desire HD will be replaced with a new generation of phones, so there's really no point having early adoptions of technologies which arent already widespread before the device becomes obsolete.
Its a shame, I'd consider replacing my HD2 with a desire HD because of the improved performance and power consumption, but the lack of HDMI out (which was an attraction of the EVO4G) makes it a less attractive upgrade.

adamvanner said:
And besides how many people have DNLA TVs in comparison to those with HDMI TVs?
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You can buy HTC DNLA-to-HDMI small device. The future if technologies is - everything wireless.

arcades said:
You can buy HTC DNLA-to-HDMI small device. The future if technologies is - everything wireless.
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So, you say it is possible to replicate UI actions without encoding a virtual framebuffer to conform DLNA? And losing serious performance and rendering quality in the process?
Enlighten us how!!!
And, since you mentioned, also explain how many kids you observed demonstrating a running app to, lets say, an university audience. I happen to do such childish things.

Think about this way....at least you wont have the 30fps cap issue the evo has.....
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clubtech said:
Think about this way....at least you wont have the 30fps cap issue the evo has.....
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cap still not fixed on Evo??

this basically stopped me getting the phone.
t-mobile... upgrade waiting... desire hd coming to t-mobile... but screw it ill just get my mum a new phone and stay with my hd2
why? cos they didnt wanna put hdmi...
i dont want a wireless box, or to use a wireless standard nobody has.
i just want to plug in an hdmi cable and see whatever it on my screen on the tv as well. like most normal people want.
htc knows this is a very good feature, so obviously they will not put it in a phone that they think can sell without it.
htc seem to have a bit of a problem with hitting the right spot. they dont realise that making the ultimate phone will NOT cut into their own sales, but would rather encourage people with similar phones to upgrade again. selling their old phones (hd2 in my case) to someone else (also beneficial as increases htc market share) and also those many people that want a smartphone but have gone with other brands. so many people would switch from samsung, nokia, sony ericsson, iphone etc giving short term AND long term benefits for themselves (and us)
remember the crap we had to take before we got a damn 3.5mm headphone socket back lol.
htc's policies of feature rotation and staggering is the real cause of htc sales eating into themselves

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Think about this way....at least you wont have the 30fps cap issue the evo has.....
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Well, the EVO cap is fixed now.
What remains is... a mystery, that why HTC decided to skimp on that ONE dollar HDMI out part
BTW I prefer the plastic casing of the EVO over metal casing of the dHD. Less prone to scratches, lighter (the casing is lighter, not the actual device with the 4G radio), and plastic never interferes with antennae.
The dHD is super-expensive compared to the EVO (and the HD2). I am inclined to get a HD2 (w/ Android) instead of the dHD.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

The Perfect Phone

Lets start a list of all the things we want to change on the DHD then we will mail it to HTC and they will change it. Right?
Here's what I want to change
1. I want the 12mp Camera with xenon flash and Carl Z. lens from the Nokia N8
2. HDMI port

Why would you want > MP?
This is a phone, not a camera. NOT the other way around.
You might eventually want > optical zoom.
Why would you want HDMI when you have DLNA?

As begin, I thought Desire is an Awesome Phone. but still got some concern.
1. I would reckon a dedicated button, for camera or another specific apps.
2. No face detection on the camera apps. even Galaxy S does.
3. havent seen the voice command feature on the specification.
4. no front cam and cannot make video call. It's really SAD for a high end mobile phone.

adwinp said:
Why would you want HDMI when you have DLNA?
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Maybe his TV doesn't support DLNA?
I think streaming with DLNA is much more comfortable, because there is no cable between tv and smartphone. Think about a 1m HDMI calbe to your 52" tv...

arpaul said:
As begin, I thought Desire is an Awesome Phone. but still got some concern.
4. no front cam and cannot make video call. It's really SAD for a high end mobile phone.
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Didnt realize people actually used that... Had it on my four previous phones and never used it once...
But something i would like if i had to change something would have to be a bigger battery and a mini USB instead of a micro USB... But thats about it!

Relistic and changes optical ball better camera

You don't want more MP you want a bigger sensor. This is all the fault of the big camera makers touting MP as the be all and end all to sell cameras.
My SLR is only 10MP and takes phenomenal images because the sensor is much much bigger than any phone on the market.

DarrenT said:
You don't want more MP you want a bigger sensor. This is all the fault of the big camera makers touting MP as the be all and end all to sell cameras.
My SLR is only 10MP and takes phenomenal images because the sensor is much much bigger than any phone on the market.
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+1...even 5MPx is enought but with bigger sensor and faster chip...

Id have the audio jack at the top rather than the bottom. Thats about it.
I would say HDMI but the amout of times id acctualy use it is slim to non lol
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To add to the camera improvements the camera is all about its ability to gather light so id want :-
--Larger scensor sizw
--Better optics (a camera is only as good as its optics
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Only one..
The phone to be in flippin hand!!

Have dual core processor, maybe a tegra 2 or 3...
Have USB 3.0
Have HDMI, yes HDMI!!!, my tv and receiver have loads of them, and it's better to send things over HDMI than over DNLA... consume less battery, it's much faster, doesn't lag (only if your phone lags itself)
Better optics (don't need more Mpx, 5 or 6mpx is enough!!) and maybe optical zoom (digital zoom sucks!!!)
More internal storage (32GB at least!!!)
Maybe support for SDXC
Front Camera, yes we need 3G video calls (not that crap from Apple or ip video calls!!). I don't use it, but we never know when we may need it, in some case of emergency like a theft, kidnapping, natural disaster, etc... it can be very useful in those cases, you never know...

Im not really worried about camera quality... so for me:
- HDMI port (saves money, wouldnt have to buy DLNA adapter for telly)
- AMOLED screen (I no its 'over saturated' but it still looks good )
- To get an official gingerbread update (but then again, the devs here on xda will sort out a ROM for it anyway )

The smartphone makers will never release a phone that has verything, they wouldn`t have anything to release after a few months
For me, i would be happy with a phone that has:
- Se X10i battery (Li-Po, lasts even 4 days with moderate usage)
- SGS Screen (ya! SAMOLED with Gorilla Glass=nice! )
- DHD body (looks nice, no glossy plastic that atracts finger prints like magnet, as my SGS does)
- N8 camera (not because of MPs, but for the large sensor and for the audio quality of videos, i know, the sound is not from the camera )
- iphone 4 audio performance (i don`t believe i said iphone but i got to say it, it has a great sound quality)
That`s about it from what I can think of now.

willk22 said:
- To get an official gingerbread update (but then again, the devs here on xda will sort out a ROM for it anyway )
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who said it wont get 3.0 (gingerbread) ?
Im almost 100% shure HTC will give this device that update :-D

Personally, I'd want:
- A battery that lasts at least 2 days without charge
- Gorilla Glass!
- HDMI
adwinp said:
Why would you want > MP?
This is a phone, not a camera. NOT the other way around.
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Some people want the best of both worlds (even though personally I think 8MP is perfectly adequate) !
adwinp said:
Why would you want HDMI when you have DLNA?
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How many TVs actually use DLNA? I'd never heard of it until the Desire HD was released. I can't recall seeing any TV with DLNA, only HDMI.

Apache14 said:
who said it wont get 3.0 (gingerbread) ?
Im almost 100% shure HTC will give this device that update :-D
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Well yer your write it never was said that it wouldn't get gingerbread (which might not be 3.0...)
But then again, HTC haven't always been consistent with updates (*cough* HD2 *cough)

I prefer Android OS than Apple IOS, but HTC also prefer sells another Android phone than offering OS upgrade to the sold device. HTC like any company will not pay too much effort to upgrade Android OS to existing sold phone unless Google directly pull out any Android upgrade throughout the air and user has to leave any "SENSE addin" by rooting the HTC phone.

azreil24 said:
- DHD body (looks nice, no glossy plastic that atracts finger prints like magnet, as my SGS does)
- iphone 4 audio performance (i don`t believe i said iphone but i got to say it, it has a great sound quality)
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The body looks decent, but I wonder why the camera protrudes so much. It will look like a mini-condom if I end up putting it in my back pocket. That's not good for my ego.
The iPhone audio performance part of your list may be addressed in the DHD. I tried using some of the new audio settings in the new sense on my Desire, but none of them changed anything. I tested this using both UE SuperFi 5vi and Bose Bose in-ear headsets. No change at all so it may be something that's tied to the hardware.
So here's what I would add (btw I agree with most of what other posters have already listed):
Internal *fast* storage. This phone does record and play HD content after all. Having 32G fast internal storage *could* help to reduce a lot of the lag I experience when I start the Music app (as an example) and would help reduce the need to go out and purchase class 6 or better sd cards.
Stock software improvements which reliably use volume + and - as well as ff and rw in the wired headsets.

angler said:
I prefer Android OS than Apple IOS, but HTC also prefer sells another Android phone than offering OS upgrade to the sold device. HTC like any company will not pay too much effort to upgrade Android OS to existing sold phone unless Google directly pull out any Android upgrade throughout the air and user has to leave any "SENSE addin" by rooting the HTC phone.
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I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean that HTC doesn't provide updates to their phones or something else? I have a mix-bag experience with HTC on this. My Desire has been updated to 2.2, yet my Wildfire is still 2.1 (it's possible I missed an update, I only use that phone when I go out drinking because I won't care nearly as much about losing it).
I can't tell if you'e complaining about lack of updates in general or if it's the lag in your specific area or with your carrier.