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sorry for the "stupid" question, but I don't have an hd and I'd like to understand if the screen (not resolution) has been changed from my previous devices (kaiser, diamond...)
I switched to iphone after some years with wm devices and, to be honest, I must admit that I've never seen a screen like that (in terms of interaction).
BUT... I miss my wm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since I can see a really big screen, HOW is this screen?
Is the same of the previous devices (you need same strenght to click... etc...) or is something new?
Thanks in advance!!!
Leo
leopardone said:
...I switched to iphone after some years with wm devices and, to be honest, I must admit that I've never seen a screen like that ... BUT... I miss my wm!!!!!!...
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I know EXACTLY how you feel!!! I struggled with the VERY SAME thing to the point that I started a "Can we port WinMo to the iphone hardware" thread, and basically got laughed at I'll apologize I can't answer your question, as my new HD won't be here till tomorrow afternoon. Good luck!
Jesse
HD has the best sensitivity in an HTC device to date.
It's more sensitive than other devices (I had TyTnII before) and you can tweak the sensitivity.
It's not quite the iPhone experience, but it is very very close.
I know what you mean, I have a Samsung F480 and its screen is a dream. I am not yet owning an HD but want to see it live as soon as possible to see how the well praised screen is.
There are two WM phones from Asus coming out, which are said to have a capacitive screen but this is not confirmed yet .... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446317
how do you tweak the sensitivity on the hd?
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how do you tweak the sensitivity on the hd?
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You should be able to do so with Schap's Advanced Config. Version 3.3 is out, which adds TF3D configurability, but not sure it's been certified with the HD...
I have the Diamond, I am probably getting the Hero.
Diamond 2.8" . 480x640
Hero 3.2" 320x480
I think I'm missing something
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I have the Diamond, I am probably getting the Hero.
Diamond 2.8" . 480x640
Hero 3.2" 320x480
I think I'm missing something
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Hero's screen looks m uch better though and has Teflon coating for scratch proof. Colors dont look washed out on the hero either.
What is the previous Diamond?
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I have the Diamond, I am probably getting the Hero.
Diamond 2.8" . 480x640
Hero 3.2" 320x480
I think I'm missing something
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you are mistaken, the hero has a VGA screen, 480x640, 320x480 is QVGA and android 1.5 does not even support this resolution
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you are mistaken, the hero has a VGA screen, 480x640, 320x480 is QVGA and android 1.5 does not even support this resolution
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You are wrong, the resolution is 320x480 as the original poster already mentioned. It is far from the high resolution experienced on the VGA Diamond. BTW, QVGA 240x320, as on the HTC Touch.
The Diamond is an older HTC touchscreen phone. HTC Touch Diamond.
So the hero's screen is not as high resolution as my Diamond? Really? I would expect it to be better ... hmm... I think I'll still make the leap though because this Diamond isnt that great.
Guys, this has been known since the release of Android 1.1 back on the G1.
The only resolution supported on any device prior to Android 1.6 was the HVGA resoultion that the Hero uses. As this was the only resolution the OS supported, the hardware is a HVGA screen.
Now, when Android 1.6 was released, it added support for many more resolutions, including the lower QVGA (which the tattoo uses), WVGA (800*480, which i believe the Nexus uses) and many more.
The Hero has a 320*480 HVGA screen because when it was released, that was the ONLY resolution that Android could render.
And no, the screen is hardware limited, so the resolution will not increase when the 2.1 update is released.
rhedgehog, you learn sumat new every day init :lol i knew post android 1.5 only supported a single res, but i was under the impression that was vga not hvga, thats why i assumed the hero had a vga res thanx for putting me straight
No probs.
I've lost count of the amount of stuff i have learned from this place. gotta admit i wouldn;t know probably even a tenth of the stuff i know if it wasn't for years of fiddling in the winmo forums and learning what you could actually do with these things.
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The Diamond is an older HTC touchscreen phone. HTC Touch Diamond.
So the hero's screen is not as high resolution as my Diamond? Really? I would expect it to be better ... hmm... I think I'll still make the leap though because this Diamond isnt that great.
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i had the Diamond before Hero...
Hero is so much better... after ROM upgrade!!
you will not be sorry!
Dan330 said:
i had the Diamond before Hero...
Hero is so much better... after ROM upgrade!!
you will not be sorry!
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upgrade to which ROM though
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upgrade to which ROM though
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I am on Modaco 1.3; it is stable and no issues for me...
I am considering going to Modaco 2.1, but might just wait for Android 2.1... Maybe in 2-3 months!!!!!
Some have used other ROMs, I have not tried....
You have to read up on them.. and see what you like the best for your needs.
MCR 3.1 seems plenty fast enough and stable enough for me....not had any issues since i went to that.
IMHO the difference in resolution from the Diamond is not a big deal. Plus the screen is taller on the Hero.
The Modaco ROM makes a huge difference, go for the 3.2 version when it comes out; currently the 3.2 beta is for paid members only.. but it is worth it... speed optimizations are amazing and you can cook your own components with the Modaco online kitchen.
I changed from TD to Hero, and much prefer the screen on the Hero. Yes the TD has a better definition in theory, but IMHO the screen was too small to take real advanatge of it.
the only way i could do anything accurately with the TD screen was by using the stylus. The larger capacitive screen on the Hero is designed for being used with a finger - in fact a stylus won't work on it.
I think the Hero is so much easier to use and that is due to a combination of the capacitive screen, the Android software and the sense ui that HTC installs onto the software. The only thing going for the iphone was its ease of use but I think my Hero beats it.
Haven't seen anyone post on here so thought I would...
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hdmini/overview.html
Video Teaser for HD Mini
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTtCGiykDW0
heh, it has wm 6.5.3
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Haven't seen anyone post on here so thought I would...
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hdmini/overview.html
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It have WM7 or update confirmation?.....no?.....no thanks, but i will not buy it, or tell someone to get it!
HD mini...
What makes the HD2 interesting is its big size, so why would you want a smaller one?
Different product altogether.
HVGA 320x480 after using an HD2 - no thanks.
When I first got thinking about buying an HD2 I was worried that I might not like such a big bulky screen.
Now - well you'd have to "pry it from my cold dead hands"
Massive Impact, Sensible Size
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Suggesting what they did with HD2 was not sensible then? LOL!!!
I actually like it. While I love my HD2, I don't do anything multimedia-ish on it and so a smaller screen wouldn't bother me..in fact I would prefer a smaller form factor...
but...no camera flash for one thing, slower processor for another.....
I'll wait for the HTC Obsession
EDIT : sorry...the 'rumoured' HTC Obsession
Hi!
Just two questions after I have seen several photos of the new HD Mini (for example on neowin.net):
1. Is it possible to get exactly this colorful wallpaper as background image for the HD2 somewhere?
2. Does the HD Mini still have a page with DirectLinks/QuickLinks?
I mean the HD2 has 9 DirectLinks on its HomeScreen (by default, I know, and by applying some Mods it can be extended to even 75 DirectLinks) when sliding the finger from the bottom up. But I was not able to see such DirectLinks for applications or contacts on any of the images of the HD Mini.
Thanks in advance for your help!
DotWin
i have the hd2 and i will buy this also it is very brilliant device and small
Isn't a 3.2" a bit too cramped for typing, etc.?
Something like 3.6" would have worked much better, IMO.
as keen as i am my HD2 i would prefur a smaller chassis for the same technology. Looks like i will be holding out for the diamond 3 release.
curious how the mini wil be priced though...
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Isn't a 3.2" a bit too cramped for typing, etc.?
Something like 3.6" would have worked much better, IMO.
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kudos and well said - with no hard keyboard it comes down to the onscreen kb. i played with a hd2 and it's nice, mostly because of capacitance though - i hate my hd kb - maybe small onscreen kb with capacitance may work?
I too was very interested when I heard of the HD Mini but ultimately agree with all of the above posts. Just falls short in terms of size (and looks). I use my Touch HD as much for its PDA abilities as I do telecommumications. Fits my hand like a glove and I am happy using with either one handed or two. Give me the chance of a HD2 in the 3.8 screen Touch HD chassis and I would buy one now.
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as keen as i am my HD2 i would prefur a smaller chassis for the same technology. Looks like i will be holding out for the diamond 3 release.
curious how the mini wil be priced though...
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diamond 3 will be the same as hd2 but with 3.7 screen , better choice than hd2
HD Mini is for people who needs small WM phones, compared to the "big" HD2, anyway I like the backplate
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as keen as i am my HD2 i would prefur a smaller chassis for the same technology. Looks like i will be holding out for the diamond 3 release.
curious how the mini wil be priced though...
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I've allready pre-ordered one from here.
price: €389
arrival date: april 2nd 2010
Grtz,
Degake
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diamond 3 will be the same as hd2 but with 3.7 screen , better choice than hd2
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Have to agree with this and many other postings here; The Mini just falls short in looks, internal hardware specs, and the relatively small screen. What is needed is something like the HTC Desire (with WinMo) and it seems that the 'Diamond 3' will pretty much be this.
their choice of hvga (480x320) really baffles me... they could have at least put in a 640x480 VGA screen like the one from the diamond, wouldn't be a technological challenge would it?
Also, 480x320 seems like a weird aspect ratio...
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their choice of hvga (480x320) really baffles me... they could have at least put in a 640x480 VGA screen like the one from the diamond, wouldn't be a technological challenge would it?
Also, 480x320 seems like a weird aspect ratio...
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to make sense 2.5 working that fast they needed to make the processor scales graphics to a low resolution ,in this case 480x320
so guys, its been announced....the hd2 has been shrunk down in size. what are your thoughts?, do you new hd2 owners wish you had waited a while longer or are you happy with your king sized phone?.personally, id have got the larger model anyway, after owning a hd2(original) id never , or at least hope i never have to downsize again.is this new smaller size aimed for the ladies....? lol
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hdmini/overview.html
HD2 > HD Mini.
I would like a smaller HD2 though, with a 4-inch screen or something. Even 3.8-inch. Because using the HD2 with a single hand is a little bit to much work..
But the HD Mini goes TO far. 3.2 inch screen is to small.
it is not the same. slower cpu, less ram. what makes You think it's the same but smaller???
old news, I posted about this yesterday...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634015
like the look but the HD2 owns it!!!
and my big question with this is....
why id it called a touch "HD" mini when sht screen is far from HD...
i know some will read that wrong and say that the hd2 isnt 720p or 1080p HD and all that but i mean in the broadest terms..
High Defenition... is HVGA High Defenition? me thinks not lol.
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and my big question with this is....
why id it called a touch "HD" mini when sht screen is far from HD...
i know some will read that wrong and say that the hd2 isnt 720p or 1080p HD and all that but i mean in the broadest terms..
High Defenition... is HVGA High Defenition? me thinks not lol.
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I agree... less screen, less cpu, less RAM, less ROM, hd2 mini? more of a hd1 mini.....
Well, it is called HTC HD mini, not HTC HD2 mini ...
Never heard of a WinMo HVGA device before... is this new in 6.5.3? If so, what about app compatibility? How many apps work on this new resolution?
Why make an HD-mini, when it is not much different from the Diamond2?
HD-Mini: more memory, slightly faster processor.
Diamond2: Better screen resolution.
Found some interesting stuff here, for example it is running WinMo build 23101.
I like my hd2 very much, why make it mini.
For those who like mini, take a mini
kk
Jack E said:
Found some interesting stuff here, for example it is running WinMo build 23101.
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What is the dude in the video even doing? I got so angry at him watching the first ~2 minutes that I just couldn't continue.
Noticed the start button is not present anymore.... (Since there is a start button and back already i assumed so no need to have them on the softkeys)only 2 softkeys on the taskbar each time... cleaner look i think. better than the 6.5.3 currently which would have 5 softkey biuttons most of the time... anybody know how we can do this???
hope i never have to downsize...but it seem the hd2 will be the last big phone..i hope not..
Hi everybody..
I have been considering buying this wonderful device but during my looking into the specifications I noticed this new strange resolution 320x480 HVGA which is the first time for me to come across this type of screen!
My question is, after your experience with this device, have you encountered any problems which are due to this specific type of screen? either on the level of program compatibility, which is most important, or any other problems?
The device is just the hit for me but this screen thing is holding my hand
Thank you in advance..
Yes, of course, some applications do not run, especially alternative keyboards such SlideIT.
Nevertheless most of them work just fine.
If you use specific legacy application, post a question on this forum to know if it works or if there are some alternative ones.
For example, I used in the past TomTom Collins French english dictionnary. This worked well on Diamond, but no way on HD mini. I had to change to slovoed that work fine, even if I like less the UI.
Thank you for your reply..
It's good news that MOST of the applications have no problem running on this device
Ok - of course there are many applications I want to make sure of before buying but some are essential and some are not so I'll ask about some programs that are of importance to me:
1) iGo for navigation
2) Navigon
3) Mobipocket Reader << this is the most important program in my Diamond right now so it has to work properly
No answer!
Have some patience!
iGO8- there are 2 threads on this, and there are ways to get it to work
Navigon: No idea
Mobipocket: No problem at all here- one of my most used programs!
Thank you NeilM
Well, so far so good, but need to make sure of other programs which I might mention here to make sure they work..
I just don't get it, why would HTC use such a screen? Is there any specialty that I should know about? Why not just use a WVGA or at least a normal VGA if that'll cost them much
Pardon me for my ignorance I have my history with PPCs but lately I wasn't up-to-date with the new ones
I think it is market economics. A number of Android devices also use HVGA so the same basic screen can be used across a range of phones.
Also WVGA and HVGA are both widescreen format which suits current usage patterns of video etc.
A less power hungry screen is a definite advantage in a smaller device. I don' t find the display any less usable than my HD2 in normal use, though I did need to use a registry editor to enable Cleartype, without which text is very poor; for some reason O2 have disabled the control panel for this.
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The rule says: NEVER produce a perfect device << well, maybe it's not a disadvantage to have this screen but temporarily with the compatibility issues, it's really annoying!
Ok, I want to ask you as a user of HD MINI, how do you find the screen in terms of clarity, brightness, accuracy? How do you compare it with the Diamond's << I love that screen - I mean I understand the MINI is 3.2 inch whereas the Diamond is 2.8 inch so does this H in HVGA has a noticeable effect on the screen compared to its size?
Thank you for the information
As a previous Diamond user I have to say for me the HD Mini is much better. Obviously it is capacitive/multi touch which makes it very different in use, but the extra size makes a big difference.
OK, maybe icons and graphics are a little less definitive at the edges but it doesn't affect everyday use.
Personally I think VGA on a very small screen is pointless as text can be too small to read and web pages are very small, so HVGA is an improvement.
It seems that will be the new trend on Windows phone 7 and ohter phones (android, Iphone).
HVGA for small and WVGA for big screens. It is effectively strange, because it is even not the same aspect ratio.
NeilM,
Of course it's better if you look at it this way; capactive/multi-touch screen, but if you look at the other side which is the definition, you'll find that:
HD MINI: 480x320 + bigger screen = less picture quality
Diamond: 480x640 + smaller screen = more picture quality
Theoretically, I prefer having smaller screen with better definition rather than bigger one with worse definition, but I wouldn't base my decision now without testing it in reality - maybe I'll like it!
And as you said before that you use mobipocket, you need bigger screen and you'll sacrifice the quality for that, but, me, the cleartype matters alot to me
Honestly, I see a screen with the size 3.2 inch as the best typical size for me, but, more importantly, it should have a suitable definition too
Again, H in HVGA stands for what?! I don't think it's for "high"
moscard
I don't think so - unless they want to go back!
I mean why not use a normal VGA, for example, for a device they think it should be a revolution in phone market?!
I might be missing something here, but is there a problem in using VGA with capactive/multi-touch screens?
Why use less resolution while you should use more!
I hate these companies!
Thank you both
- H : I suppose is for Half 320 instead on 640
- I used Diamond for two years, and I prefer HD mini screen, the smaller resolution is not really an issue, but the bigger screen is really more confortable. In addition it runs a lot faster and all the things are more reactive, especitially for phone functions. The sound is better as well.
- Just a remark vs Diamond, HD mini do not have front camera anymore. For me is not an issue but it could be.
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moscard
I don't think so - unless they want to go back!
I mean why not use a normal VGA, for example, for a device they think it should be a revolution in phone market?!
I might be missing something here, but is there a problem in using VGA with capactive/multi-touch screens?
Why use less resolution while you should use more!
I hate these companies!
Thank you both
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I hope you're right, but most of companies are trying to standardise anything... screen resolution as well. What I do not understand, is why they choose two resolution with diferent aspect ratio. With same aspect ratio it would be simpler to disign software apps.
Yes- HVGA is Half VGA, ie 480*320
The aspect ratio of VGA and QVGA is 4:3, which is the standard 'square screen' ratio
WVGA and HVGA are 15:9 and 15:10 respectively which are near enough both the standard widescreen resolution.
There is no doubt that both increasing the screen size and decreasing the resolution should have an adverse effect on overall resolution, but my experience of the HD Mini is thta this is mitigated by the better overall quality of the screen, regardless of resolution.
Maybe if I were 20 years younger with perfect eyesight, I might have a different view!
The effect on device responsiveness using a lower resolution is marked though: 600MHz running HVGA is much faster than 524MHz running VGA ! Going back to the Diamond makes it feel so sluggish and unresponsive compared to the HD Mini and HD2.
Not happy with the HTC HD Mini
Just a quick feedback since I am playing around with a HTC HD Mini for a while now. Its my Girlfriends and has a broken screen so I get the chance play around until I replaced the screen. My personal experience is that this device is "horrible". Bad quality screen (I used it also before it had a broken screen ), compatibility is very limited (Custom stuff like XDA Mods not as much bought Apps) further more the Touch sensitve buttons are horrible to accidentaly hit them. Maybe I am just spoiled with the HD2 but I feel there are allot of trade-off's for the smaller form factor. But the worst thing all the nice XDA stuff will probaly never support this resolution since its preaty much the only device with it. (Windows Mobile atleast) Tried Cookie and MaxSense Mod on the HTC Mini without luck. Resolution problems.
PS: Anyone ever found disassembly instructions for the HTC HD Mini? I can find it for any other phone but not the HD Mini. There were just not enough sold to pros. I guess a good phone for Woman and iPhone users.
Encountered very few problems with this resolution. Especially for the newer free apps. Problems arises only in some old apps which either support only QVGA or VGA. But most certainly, you won't want to install such old apps in this shiny new colorful gadget.
For me, the Sense improvements to the UI, and WinMo 6.5.3's own improvements have eliminated my dependent on many of the old apps. I ended up installing less apps. Mostly new one i found reading thru the forums here.
Most of the only old apps i had to carry over from my old WinMo 6.1 are the dictionaries and translators. One of my favorite translators, HNHSoft Eng-Chn Dict, works poorly with HVGA resolution. Nevertheless, still usable. Fortunately, another from my old collection, WM-DICT 2.0, which worked poorly in 6.1 QVGA, turns out to be a great performer in 6.5.3 HVGA. So in reality, i lose one and win one, makes like i didn't lose anything at all.
I'd agree on the compatibility- almost all programs I've tried work fine. The only exceptions are TouchPal keyboard and 1-2 Remote.
1-2 Remote was poor on the HD2 as well as it's designed for QVGA and the skins are not optimised for other resolutions.
WM6.5.3 in its native form here, plus the current version of HTC Sense is a lot more stable than the native WM6.5 on the HD2 and any of the custom ROMs.
If you correctly tweak the screen (enabling Cleartype) it is very good indeed- can't understand the comment about it being poor- maybe it was faulty from the start if it failed later?
Having come from both a Diamond and HD2 I'm very satisfied with the HD Mini though I do find the screen 'touch' accuracy including the 'touch' buttons to need some getting used to. Switching the 'Touch Input' to 'Compact QUERTY' makes typing very much easier with XT9 turned on