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Dear XDA members,
I am sure you have all observed the slew of attacks that are being perpetuated against the HD2 specifically, and the Windows Mobile OS generally. You have all read & responded to these people and might have observed the peculiar bands of Senior/Junior Members -whose too RECENT joining date is a clue- simultaneously bashing the HD2 and praising the iPhone, thwarting our delight in buying and using HTC's fine products which we have all known, used, and enjoyed for nearly a decade now.
You have all noticed this sudden but uniform "flame war", I know because I have; and you have all observed Genuine XDA members being rallied and engaged in mass, uniform, and disdainful complaining about WinMo and HTC. While it is our reasonable right to address HTC & MS with our problems, we must conduct our messages (and ourselves) in a civilized manner.
I only hope to remind you to be careful and not fall into this trap.
There IS a smear-campaign going on against both the HD2 and Windows Mobile. In truth, I am aware of several people whose primary profession is to perpetuate Internet propaganda, especially in active forums, blogs, and review sites. These individuals sell their services to companies & other individuals alike. They steal from us our brotherly spirit with their flame wars, and they feed us false information about exaggerated faults in our expensive gadgets.
In reality, all mobile devices have their faults; whether it be an unfriendly UI, lack of basic but important functionalities, erratic behaviors, etc...
iPhones, Androids, Nokias, and Winows Phones... we have all used them; we have each decided which best suits our needs, and we have each purchased what we judged best. Let no one criticize your choice or undermine your ability to decide for yourself! We are not here to measure which phone is best, we are here because we have purchased the best, and still, wish to improve it or customize it or even re-invent it!
Cheers
well i switched from the iphone to the hd2 and i don't think i'll be switching back anytime soon unless iphone fixes its major flaws...
do you know that iphone doesn't support multi-tasking?
what a deal breaker!
jeRrRKKKK said:
well i switched from the iphone to the hd2 and i don't think i'll be switching back anytime soon unless iphone fixes its major flaws...
do you know that iphone doesn't support multi-tasking?
what a deal breaker!
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LOL... I know mate, I gave mine away as a gift after one month! Its not for me at all and my personal, unquestionable preference is WinMo. I travel lots and need a Business phone: auther & edit documents, presentations, do my spreadsheet calculations, cut & paste accross running apps, make PDFs and fax them away, access my exchange email, use my digital certificates for security, etc... For me, personally, the iPhone was a delightful multimedia experience, but it just doesn't cut it!
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Dear XDA members,
I am sure you have all observed the slew of attacks that are being perpetuated against the HD2 specifically, and the Windows Mobile OS generally. You have all read & responded to these people and might have observed the peculiar bands of Senior/Junior Members -whose too RECENT joining date is a clue- simultaneously bashing the HD2 and praising the iPhone, thwarting our delight in buying and using HTC's fine products which we have all known, used, and enjoyed for nearly a decade now.
You have all noticed this sudden but uniform "flame war", I know because I have; and you have all observed Genuine XDA members being rallied and engaged in mass, uniform, and disdainful complaining about WinMo and HTC. While it is our reasonable right to address HTC & MS with our problems, we must conduct our messages (and ourselves) in a civilized manner.
I only hope to remind you to be careful and not fall into this trap.
There IS a smear-campaign going on against both the HD2 and Windows Mobile. In truth, I am aware of several people whose primary profession is to perpetuate Internet propaganda, especially in active forums, blogs, and review sites. These individuals sell their services to companies & other individuals alike. They steal from us our brotherly spirit with their flame wars, and they feed us false information about exaggerated faults in our expensive gadgets.
In reality, all mobile devices have their faults; whether it be an unfriendly UI, lack of basic but important functionalities, erratic behaviors, etc...
iPhones, Androids, Nokias, and Winows Phones... we have all used them; we have each decided which best suits our needs, and we have each purchased what we judged best. Let no one criticize your choice or undermine your ability to decide for yourself! We are not here to measure which phone is best, we are here because we have purchased the best, and still, wish to improve it or customize it or even re-invent it!
Cheers
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Mate you have too much free time on your hands to be writing a post of this nature.
Here Here!
Keep on looking behind you guys....they're coming. Keep those firewalls up to date and lock your windows!
Oh and don't forget your medication.
Regardless of whether it's a smear campaign or not, there is clearly a problem with trolls.
I don't believe that's a campaign, but the recent trend of bashing Windows Mobile is alarming.
No OS and no phone is perfect, yet only Windows Mobile gets bashed all the time - though others clearly have at least as many flaws.
That's really saddening.
The amount of "I sold my HD2" threads, that typically contain only FUD and don't try to help anyone, is alarming as well.
Regardless of whether this is a campaign or not, someone should really do something against this trend and the trolls, because it really hurts the quality of the forum.
Wow. You know it's quite scary to see what happens to people that spend too much time on a forum!! This isn't such an intense matter. It's supposed to be a forum for people to ask for help or If they chose so, to complain about or praise their damn phones. At the end of the day it's only a damn phone. If some "senior" members want to make it an exclusive "I love windows mobile and want to make love to it" forum, then why not create an exclusive area for you all to j££zz over your devices.
The majority of people here are normal guys who have a life and only come here to get help for their phone or let off some steam if what they spent 500 quid on turns out to be crap!
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Wow. You know it's quite scary to see what happens to people that spend too much time on a forum!! This isn't such an intense matter. It's supposed to be a forum for people to ask for help or If they chose so, to complain about or praise their damn phones. At the end of the day it's only a damn phone. If some "senior" members want to make it an exclusive "I love windows mobile and want to make love to it" forum, then why not create an exclusive area for you all to j££zz over your devices.
The majority of people here are normal guys who have a life and only come here to get help for their phone or let off some steam if what they spent 500 quid on turns out to be crap!
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+100 for you sir
I know I'm new here and basically just started posting but I have heavily modified my HD2. I'm in the usa and imported my HD2 from the UK. I dont even miss 3G...I just connect to WiFi everywhere I go anyway. I have had every iPhone since it came out in 07. 2G, 3G and finally the 3Gs. I switched to the HD2 because I wanted what the iPhone lacked. I even Jailbroke all my iphones and they still were not as good as this phone is. The iphone did a whole lot more once jailbroken; ie.. Theme, Tether, Multitask but it still wasnt enough for me. The iphone is completely 1 dimensional! I liked it for what it was, but I love this phone! and using this site made it that much better. So a huge shout out to all you devs out there! Bottom line is the iPhone just sucks and it is a Yuppy phone, everyone has one and they think they are sooooo cool that they have one. The HD2 is the best phone on the market. Hands down.
I've been using these things for years... and the more popular these devices get, the more accessible they are to the general public, the more people demand help or think they have a right to it...with trivial little things!
The iPhone is just for those sort of people. Thinking that they have an iPhone (which, OMG is a SMRT PHONE, I R A GEEK NOW! I R COOL) because it's what is 'trendy'. Not becuase they will even use a quarter of it's functionality!!!
I have watched the questions on these forums get dumber and dumber. They say there is no such thing as a dumb question... I really beg to differ. I see some doozies on here of late to the point when I have to convince myself that they are trolling....or i'll loose faith in humanity.
I'll stop here as I don't think I have a coherent argument or statement.
Thankyou for indulging me in my rant.
I'm going to go find some more iPhone zombies and make them jealous of my HD2....
I assume you are not "general public" but some deity with divine right to own a WM device over others?
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Wow. You know it's quite scary to see what happens to people that spend too much time on a forum!! This isn't such an intense matter. It's supposed to be a forum for people to ask for help or If they chose so, to complain about or praise their damn phones. At the end of the day it's only a damn phone. If some "senior" members want to make it an exclusive "I love windows mobile and want to make love to it" forum, then why not create an exclusive area for you all to j££zz over your devices.
The majority of people here are normal guys who have a life and only come here to get help for their phone or let off some steam if what they spent 500 quid on turns out to be crap!
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Awesome! *thumbs up*
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I assume you are not "general public" but some deity with divine right to own a WM device over others?
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LoL. You betcha, sunshine.
I'm gonna take EVERY oppertunity to laud it over anyone, cause my phone choice totally defines me and proves my worth to others, don't ya know...
Sheesh....
kruegz said:
cause my phone choice totally defines me and proves my worth to others, don't ya know...
Sheesh....
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hmmm scary. I would have thought there were slightly better ways to prove your worth to others than a mobile, but each to their own hey.
isn't this the same as http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5121561
hawrai68 said:
Wow. You know it's quite scary to see what happens to people that spend too much time on a forum!! This isn't such an intense matter. It's supposed to be a forum for people to ask for help or If they chose so, to complain about or praise their damn phones. At the end of the day it's only a damn phone. If some "senior" members want to make it an exclusive "I love windows mobile and want to make love to it" forum, then why not create an exclusive area for you all to j££zz over your devices.
The majority of people here are normal guys who have a life and only come here to get help for their phone or let off some steam if what they spent 500 quid on turns out to be crap!
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VERY VERY wrong.
1) It happens almost never that someone creates a thread called "I love windows mobile and want to make love to it" though those people are definitely the majority here.
2) Why should there be an exclusive forum for people who love their devices, when people like you are allowed to create countless threads bashing those devices?
3) No, it's not okay to let off steam, unless it's within a thread that exists for this purpose (note: there should be max. one such thread!). Opening threads for things that have already been posted is not allowed, but that's exactly what you are doing!
So what's the conclusion?
1) We, who like our devices, don't go to iPhone forums and tell people that we hate iPhones. We don't because doing so is sick. However, lots of people in this forum come here to tell everyone how much they hate their HD2s. There's clearly something wrong!
2) Countless threads are created saying "I hate my HD2", though the haters clearly are a minority. What does that tell us about those people? Apart from the fact that it's not allowed to create new threads for things that are already there, we must also ask ourselves why people who like their devices don't feel the need to tell everyone, but people who don't like them must tell everyone. To me, that's a clear sign that there's something wrong with those haters or that there are some trolls here.
3) Threads that are created solely for the purpose of "letting steam off" do not help anyone! Of course people must be informed about flaws, BUT it doesn't help anyone when lots of threads are created for the sake of complaining about flaws that are already well-known. A thread must either inform or seek for a solution, threads created only in order to complain about or bash something are useless and hurt the quality of the forum.
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hmmm scary. I would have thought there were slightly better ways to prove your worth to others than a mobile, but each to their own hey.
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Methinks your sarcasm detector needs adjusting, matey.
maati said:
VERY VERY wrong.
1) It happens almost never that someone creates a thread called "I love windows mobile and want to make love to it".
2) Why should there be an exclusive forum for people who love their devices, when people like you are allowed to create countless threads bashing those devices?
3) No, it's not okay to let off steam, unless it's within a thread that exists for this purpose (note: there should be max. one such thread!). Opening threads for things that have already been posted is not allowed, but that's exactly what you are doing!
So what's the conclusion?
1) We, who like our devices, don't go to iPhone forums and tell people that we hate iPhones. We don't because doing so is sick. However, lots of people in this forum come here to tell everyone how much they hate their HD2s. There's clearly something wrong!
2) Countless threads are created saying "I hate my HD2", though the haters clearly are a minority. What does that tell us about those people? Apart from the fact that it's not allowed to create new threads for things that are already there, we must also ask ourselves why people who like their devices don't feel the need to tell everyone, but people who don't like them must tell everyone. To me, that's a clear sign that there's something wrong with those haters or that there are some trolls here.
3) Threads that are created solely for the purpose of "letting steam off" do not help anyone! Of course people must be informed about flaws, BUT it doesn't help anyone when lots of threads are created for the sake of complaining about flaws that are already well-known. A thread must either inform or seek for a solution, threads created only in order to complain about or bash something are useless and hurt the quality of the forum.
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Doh! I wouldn't go to an iPhone forum slating the iPhone because I don't own one. I do, however, own an HD2......and therefore come to this forum. Yet another lame argument!
No, your argument is lame! I had an iPhone and I hated it, but I didn't go to iPhone forums telling people that I hate it, because only psychologically disturbed people like you do so.
And what is even worse, telling people how much you hate your HD2 has been the ONLY thing you've been doing since you registered to this forum. This is really sick.
My argument is totally valid. It's just you not being smart enough to understand it.
Its almost humorous at how many negative threads there are, or how many threads start out positive and you have people come in and bring them down, I have never seen a forum this pissed off EVER, BUT I can say that we as Sprint customers are getting a little tired of the **** we are dealing with, I like many of you just want CTIA to come, I mean the Echo is cool and all but not for me. Also people are ripping on the new Pre 3, I for one am interested, so what if it has 1 core.... SERIOUSLY it may just be me but isn't functionality override the e-boner you get lol?
That said, I will now hide behind my stone wall.
Not going to lie... I love Android, and love my Evo... but the Pre 3 and a TouchPad make for a killer combo... I liked their presentation today.... HP is doing something right, and that is the fact that they are releasing a WiFi only version before their other variants.
As far as the negativity going on in XDA, don't sweat it. There are trolls everywhere online. Best to simply ignore, or if you can't, ask Shift to give out the "thunderous back hand" of his!!!
I think a lot of people in here forget that not all of us grew up screwing with this stuff. That rooting and flashing and all that aren't second nature to us. And I understand some of the sarcasm given to certain posts... though a lot of people are rude to a belligerent degree.
I've opened dumb threads and had my ass handed to me from people, understandably. But sometimes it crosses the line from being facepalmed to being gangraped.
The funny thong is I have noticed the opposite that you posted. Compared to a couple other forums I check out this one has a lot more comradery and people can usually ask a relevant question without too much high school attitude.
yes, there is still a decent amount of rudeness but for as frustrated as a lot of the more informed members can get with the barrage of stupid questions, things tend to stay pretty civil.
Plus, we can always blame shift
I think the Echo announcement is the cherry on top. People have been pretty down on Sprint since their Premier and discount policy chances, and the new $10 tax on any smartphone. =/
The Atrix is a great phone. This is the reason I bought this phone, and the reason many of you bought this phone. If I have learned anything from technology it would be that EVERYTHING has its short commings as well as good things. Because of the technological advances we have been "trained" to think every bit of technology is or should be perfect and if it is not, simply complain about it. "Back in the day" people would have though black magic is at work looking at a phone such as the Atrix; yet we still complain about it all the time. This is a dual core phone for Christs sake! As long as the PHONE does it job and allows you to use its PHONE functions, it has done his job and you should be satisfied. This is a smart phone, it is smart - it does what you need but when it loads 0.002 seconds slower than you except you bi--h and complain about how you're going to return it and how it was the worst phone you've ever had. Please...people...if the phone does what you need it to do in a timely manner, it is fine. I and several other xda brethren are sick of hearing all your sad "goodbye Atrix" stories. Just stop it, if you have a legitimate complaint please call Motorola or use the official Motorola support forum.
Thanks for reading!
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Well said, I often read the same bullcrap from Nokia N900 users over at the Maemo forums whining about their devices. Does my head in.
Amen brotha!
Here's an example for your amusement.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54773
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52479
I was pointed to the board by a friend after I grew tired of my iPhone and decided to go to android, I spent weeks researching and decided that the Atrix was the best phone for me at the time, and guess what... It was. I love it and have no doubt in my mind I bought the right phone. I have grown tired of all the negative attitudes on this board, the flames and trolls, and nay sayers.
I wish they would just leave the board so those of us that enjoy our Atrix can see what can be done and what we will be able to do with it.
A healthy discussion is one thing but I grow weary of the rhetoric and hyperbole that passes for argument here.
I want people to keep *****ing and leaving!
I love reading the responses to the OP's parting comments. Usually hillarious and help me get through the day!
Well said. I agree with your post, and myself am a little dismayed at the attitude of people here. I havent seen this much complaining on previous technical forums I've gone to. That said, this is the internet and so its really to be expected that people will act like this on some level. Its sad, but there's not much that can be done about it.
Dunno how this thread contributes in anything it only triggers flaming.
Thread closed.
Why is that every little wining brat comes here to “complain to Samsung” and tell XDA users their next will be WP7, iOS or what not!?
Here’s a simple walkthrough if you want to complain:
If it’s about the Galaxy Hardware, complain to Samsung
If it’s about the fact that you don’t have this or that on android, complain to google.
Here, well, it’s about customizing the device. So if you have certain issue with a certain release, REPORT TO THE DEVELOPPER, and please do it in a kind and well mannered way, those guys do it for free on their free time.
And if you just think it’s a piece of no good monkey crap, SELL IT AND BE DONE WITH IT… nobody likes a wining brat…
Some kids enjoy being trolls, because they are starved for attention. It's a shame that anyone would want to troll a place like XDA...
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While I'm with you and don't complain, there is a reason people do it:
1. They feel like someone is actually listening (case and point by you starting this thread), whereas Any company, whatever brand don't listen until there is media attention to the fact.
2. They don't want to feel like they are the only ones and want to feel supported or justified.
As I said I agree with you, but you are no better unfortunately. You see, they are complaining, but you are also complaining about them. What's the real difference here?
You tell them to be quiet or leave, but you could also do the same and not dignify their statements/complaints with statements/complaints of your own.
At the end of the day, it's human nature to complain, but it's also up to you/us to choose how to respond to people that do complain. And in this case, there are some things better left unsaid. By choosing not to respond to them will not justify them.
Just playing devils advocate here. But you have to ask yourself what's worse? Them complaining or your response. Their intention was to strike a nerve.
Mission accomplished I'd say.
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I think Samsung do pay attention to what happens here, they are connected slightly more closely with the developer community having hired a number of developers and teams from here. I'm pretty sure that they get alot of feedback of bugs and faults in those "leaked" roms that are released every so often.
Anyhow, this part of the forum is dedicated to Samsung phones. If one guy complains about something and since this community has tons of members who use Samsung phones, who may also have the same gripes, it becomes slightly easier for your problems to be heard and hopefully corrected, especially if Samsung know its affecting alot of its future and current phone buyers.
There's a world of difference between those 2 things:
reporting something (bug, issue) in a well mannered way and asking for a correction or a way to fix it
or
Winning about how much samsung/SGS/Android sucks, telling you'd never buy another SGS/Android device againt and affirming that samsungs sucks because they haven't released ICS yet...
You see the difference there, reporting and being proactive or winning just to get attention
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There's a world of difference between those 2 things:
reporting something (bug, issue) in a well mannered way and asking for a correction or a way to fix it
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Winning about how much samsung/SGS/Android sucks, telling you'd never buy another SGS/Android device againt and affirming that samsungs sucks because they haven't released ICS yet...
You see the difference there, reporting and being proactive or winning just to get attention
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I'm not advocating bashing for the sake of it, it's just sometimes you have to do a bit of a song and dance to get heard and if you have a problem and have enough people complaining about it your more likely to be heard. But yh I agree whining for the sake of it is annoying. One thing I've seen alot of on other forums and blogs is people buying $100 off contract android phones, then comparing it to a $800 Iphone and then declaring that android sucks because they don't get as good an experience.
Apparently, don't mention iPads...or Apple....your thread will get closed before anyone even gets to see it...would have been nice to be able to reply that this was not just the one comment but the general attitude I encountered while searching an attitude I've not run across in similar Android forums while searching for similar answers about the transformer or Xoom..thought I would show my appreciation for our community here, but apparently the feelings aren't mutual....Meh....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1582960
So...be warned....initiate memory wipe....deleting iPad from vocabulary....working.....DONE!
There is a whole forum dedicated to Apple devices, I believe. I think it's fine for some slight comparison, but you must realize that most people here appreciate how their devices are, and do hate it when people brag about their crapple devices, when most of their best attributes come from the hipster brand name. Yes, I am one of them.
I'm not bragging about...what were we taking about? I seem to have had that device wiped from my memory....(read the link lol)
No, my point was that there are various people on either side, but the type of people who show up to post will be from either side are going to be extremists who hate each other.
Oh the irony
I reported your topic because this is no apple forum neither an ipad forum. Then making a topic about it is inrellrvant. So this is no useful information te be asked or posted about. And no i have not appple products.
Yeah but its a general forum, yes in the transformer forum but its still general, luna just blowing some steam and thought to share with us all, no harm was intended
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I reported your topic because this is no apple forum neither an ipad forum. Then making a topic about it is inrellrvant. So this is no useful information te be asked or posted about. And no i have not appple products.
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Did you report this one too?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1575884
Equally irrelevant...and 'general'..show praise for your community, immediately get flamed for showing praise by the community you are praising...praise
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I know and no harm was taken in the report. It wasn't a hostile report just to keep things clean. I love his contribution to the comunnitie but that doesn't mean you can do what you want ;-)
For this kind of topics there is a general section:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=256
ps you should know, talking about apple in an android forum can cause some guys to lose it
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Did you report this one too?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1575884
Equally irrelevant...and 'general'..show praise for your community, immediately get flamed for showing praise by the community you are praising...praise
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No I haven't reported that one. The reason is quite simple. Haven't seen that one yet. I'm not browsing the forum 24/7.
There is no reason to talk about Apple here. none. All it causes is a flame war.
Yes this is the general forum. Generel to transformers. I for one; Glad they delete them.
I just thought I would post something that would make people chuckle like it made me chuckle..and I never go to the 'general' non-device-specific forum..ever..do you? This is home to me..
I don't know any of the folks in general..I don't often feel compelled to share humorous anecdotes with complete strangers. I had no idea there would be people here so sensitive.
FWIW the first 10 times or so I posted in this section I was told, or rather accosted, to sell my TF and buy a..whatever those things are..I am glad people don't beat them into the ground, but I also thought it would be harmless to post something I found funny. Thought..
I will remember in the future that some users can not handle this topic..like discussing abortion in mixed company lol
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I just thought I would post something that would make people chuckle like it made me chuckle..and I never go to the 'general' non-device-specific forum..ever..do you? This is home to me..
I don't know any of the folks in general..I don't often feel compelled to share humorous anecdotes with complete strangers. I had no idea there would be people here so sensitive.
FWIW the first 10 times or so I posted in this section I was told, or rather accosted, to sell my TF and buy a..whatever those things are..I am glad people don't beat them into the ground, but I also thought it would be harmless to post something I found funny. Thought..
I will remember in the future that some users can not handle this topic..like discussing abortion in mixed company lol
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I feel you. The days that the HTC Hero was populair there had been some more (talking about big) flame wars that evantly got good and bad guys banned (thats rare on XDA!). I just was trying to prefent it here. Thats all!
And yes you made me thing about what operation system and why you want an other operating system on 'a' device. thats all I can say about it
This is an ASUS Transformer community - not sure if our iPad friends in here are aware of that - so, yes, a little bit of biased pro-Transformer/pro-Android pep-rallying can be expected in here. I mean, if you join a group of Liverpool fans, you go in knowing that group is going to be cheering for Liverpool; you don't go into it expecting pro- or even balanced cheering for Everton. But life (and comedy) is about timing, and you happened upon a bad time to post your thread. We had just recently gotten through a bunch of "Transformer this versus iPad that" threads, the incidents of these spiking with the recent iPad launch, and I guess we're just tired of the fighting...for now.
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There is no reason to talk about Apple here. none. All it causes is a flame war.
Yes this is the general forum. Generel to transformers. I for one; Glad they delete them.
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me too....
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Oh the irony
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Yes, I did say I was an Android extremist already, and I pointed out that I am a sample of that population..
This thread inspired me to start a new one on all the benefits of Zanussi laundry machines. In the Asus Eee Pad Transformer General section of course.
Laundry machine = Asus transformer competitor?
What's funny is neither of us (the friend that initiated this conversion) were not talking about Android or that other thing, we were talking about windows 8 and what devices it is compatible with (coming from discussing what operating systems I could run on my transformer)..I said my transformer couldn't run it, he challenged that the other thing would be able to run it natively...which resulted in my search...if the conversation had been allowed to pursue it could have led to greater understanding for potential buyers IMO...I want ever 'on the fence' about which one to buy, if nothing else for cost alone, but for those that are and money is no object, I find the differences in the community, not merely the hardware differences or software differences, but the grass roots support to be beneficial in making an on-the-fence decision. I felt slighted..maybe it was a poor post, but the quote I posted I felt would have made me run to Android if I wasnt already here
Luna do you see whats happening with this treahd ? Now this is funny but you can immagane what happend with Apple in it hahah
I love drama
Um...I don't know what you are saying lol
Maybe I should have posted a consumer review lol I was going for more nuance..