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sorry for this question but i've just got this amazing phone but i've put some apps on the sd card and can't find the sd card on the phone ? even googled this but to no avail ! please help a newbie , thanks !

you mean the physical location of the SD Card? Its under the back cover. You need to remove the battery to get it out.
Also, apps are not stored on the SD card, but rather on the internal memory of the phone.

A couple of things. First you need to set up the phone for non market applications. This is done thru Menu>>settings>>applications and check the box that says Unknown Sources.
Next, if you use Astro or some other file manager, you can go to /sdcard and whatever folder you keep your apps in.
I use EOEAppsinstaller to do this. It searches the whole SD card to find any APK files. Works great.

QMAN101 said:
A couple of things. First you need to set up the phone for non market applications. This is done thru Menu>>settings>>applications and check the box that says Unknown Sources.
Next, if you use Astro or some other file manager, you can go to /sdcard and whatever folder you keep your apps in.
I use EOEAppsinstaller to do this. It searches the whole SD card to find any APK files. Works great.
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thanks i'll try that !
It wasn't the physical finding of the card its how to access it to install apk files and a movie I installed !

does this means i can put applications on sd card without rooting my n1

audino said:
does this means i can put applications on sd card without rooting my n1
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Yes and no. You can put apk's that you find on the net so you can put them on the SD card so you can install them but as for installing them so they run off the SD card that won't happen until you root the phone.

marra2 said:
thanks i'll try that !
It wasn't the physical finding of the card its how to access it to install apk files and a movie I installed !
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+1 for Astro File Manager! It also has a built in apk installer AND task killer. I love multitasking apps.

your movie should appear in the Gallery

twiggy114 said:
Yes and no. You can put apk's that you find on the net so you can put them on the SD card so you can install them but as for installing them so they run off the SD card that won't happen until you root the phone.
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ah oke im able to instal apps from sd card... i only have 162 free phone memory is this ok? i thought it comes with 512 memory and 512 ram?

audino said:
ah oke im able to instal apps from sd card... i only have 162 free phone memory is this ok? i thought
audino said:
ah oke im able to instal apps from sd card... i only have 162 free phone memory is this ok? i thought it comes with 512 memory and 512 ram?
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another yes and no. Due to a bug both RAM AND ROM are limited to ~230MB ...all are waiting for the next update.
Took me 10 mins to type this in landscape mode due to keyboard bugs!
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audino said:
ah oke im able to instal apps from sd card... i only have 162 free phone memory is this ok? i thought it comes with 512 memory and 512 ram?
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The 512MB Flash ROM is shared between the OS and your installed apps. The amount left over for your installed apps after the system reserves space for the OS, scratch, recovery, and update partitions is around 190MB or so. Google mentioned that they are working on allowing us to store installed apps on the SD card so the size of this partition should not matter eventually.
The 512MB RAM is not used for storing the apps, it is used for running them and is a different set of memory. In 2.1 there is a kernel limitation that prevents them from using all 512MB just yet, but the next version of the Android Linux kernel will remove that restriction and we should see another 100 to 150 MB of memory available for use. That improvement won't have any impact on how many apps you can install, just on how many apps you can run at the same time and how much work they can do before they elbow other apps out of the way.

flarbear said:
The 512MB Flash ROM is shared between the OS and your installed apps. The amount left over for your installed apps after the system reserves space for the OS, scratch, recovery, and update partitions is around 190MB or so. Google mentioned that they are working on allowing us to store installed apps on the SD card so the size of this partition should not matter eventually.
The 512MB RAM is not used for storing the apps, it is used for running them and is a different set of memory. In 2.1 there is a kernel limitation that prevents them from using all 512MB just yet, but the next version of the Android Linux kernel will remove that restriction and we should see another 100 to 150 MB of memory available for use. That improvement won't have any impact on how many apps you can install, just on how many apps you can run at the same time and how much work they can do before they elbow other apps out of the way.
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Sound cool if they really let us install on sd would be very nice and for me no more reasons to root my n1

audino said:
Sound cool if they really let us install on sd would be very nice and for me no more reasons to root my n1
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Even more importantly - there would be no more disincentive for developers to start creating more interesting media-rich applications.
As it stands now, if you put a 10MB app on the market very few are going to be willing to waste that much space on their phone to download it. So, you wouldn't make much money on it. So, you are likely not going to bother developing it.
With relaxed storage restrictions will come nicer (looking, at least) apps...

New Micro SD CARD- Transfer

Hi Guys, just bought meself a new 16gb micro sd card.
How can I transfer or make an image of the old card to the new one? I have many installed applications on my old card, I don't want to go through the daunting process of having to reinstall every single application.
Any help would be appreciated.

Copy the contents of the old card to your computer, then write them back to the new card.
Everything should work just the way it did before.

as above, just copy everything to the new card, , , just make sure you have hidden and system files visible before you copy/paste them.

erosennin said:
Hi Guys, just bought meself a new 16gb micro sd card.
How can I transfer or make an image of the old card to the new one? I have many installed applications on my old card, I don't want to go through the daunting process of having to reinstall every single application.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Although you can transfer an image from one card to another its really not recommended for the stable running of the device especially after a ROM flash.

pa49 said:
Although you can transfer an image from one card to another its really not recommended for the stable running of the device especially after a ROM flash.
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Moving your stuff from one card to another has absolutely no influence on how the device runs. Unless the new card is defective, of course

Thanks guys, am abroad at the moment. The moment I get home, I'll try as you suggested.
Thanks again

kilrah said:
Moving your stuff from one card to another has absolutely no influence on how the device runs. Unless the new card is defective, of course
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That's just wrong!
You may get away with it but all settings and associations will be for the previous ROM and could be totally inappropriate!

WTF, we are on about moving stuff from one card to another.
Nothing to do with ROMs!

Your storage card is only for storage - ie it does not matter if you copy your files from (lets say) a smaller SD to a bigger one.
possible complications: having programs installed on the sd card.... here you could get error messages when you take the card out for the copy process. Nevermind them though as you take the card out, do your copying and then shove the new card back in....
after that just do a safety reboot and you should be fine

pa49 said:
That's just wrong!
You may get away with it but all settings and associations will be for the previous ROM and could be totally inappropriate!
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Then you obviously didn't read what the thread was about.. The guy just has a new card and wants to copy the contents of the old one to it. Nothing about ROMs, settings etc...

Put my old card into the comp, copied everything, pasted into a folder on the desktop then dropped it all onto my new card, put it back in the phone, turned it on and everything works fine

hollinshead said:
WTF, we are on about moving stuff from one card to another.
Nothing to do with ROMs!
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The OP mentioned installed apps on a mem card and excuse me but that DOES have something to do with ROMs.
Now you are wrong!

And before this goes any further you all believe what you want and do what you want because there's none so blind as those who will not see.
I shall not be posting further after those sort of comments, hollinshea!

pa49 said:
The OP mentioned installed apps on a mem card and excuse me but that DOES have something to do with ROMs.
Now you are wrong!
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No! A storage card is just that, a disk with a filesystem and files on it. If you copy the same files onto another card, there's no way the system can even see anything has changed, apps or no apps. It's not about deleting/adding stuff, just having exactly the same data.
We don't "believe" anything - it's just how it is.

kilrah said:
No! A storage card is just that, a disk with a filesystem and files on it. If you copy the same files onto another card, there's no way the system can even see anything has changed, apps or no apps. It's not about deleting/adding stuff, just having exactly the same data.
We don't "believe" anything - it's just how it is.
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+1 on this.

Problem with Device Memory (Lack Of) on HD2

I have a very puzzling problem. When I first got the HD2 I installed a few cabs directly to the device. Due to this the device memory very rapidly became used up, which resulted in me having to delete some stuff and re-install to the 2GB SD card. Following this, I think I had about 25mb of free Device Storage on the phone. I now only install cabs etc direct to SD card, today I have roughly 1.4GB of free space on the card.
Imagine my dismay, therefore, when today, having installed 4 or 5 cabs, one being somewhere in the region of 44mb, I'm now completely out of device memory, even though I've installed directly to SD card. My device memory is now showing 0.00mb and I'm constantly getting the annoying 'low storage space' messages.
Any help would be much appreciated.

edit: The 44 mb cab I mentioned has not been installed to phone as apparently it won't let me due to lack of device memory, even tho I'm trying to install to SD card???

Also, when I go into Remove Program setting, all the cabs etc which I've installed from day 1 are listed there, no mystery there! Thing I don't understand is that they are all listed as being installed to phone internal memory. Even though when installed I specifically selected Storage Card and NOT device memory.
What's going on??

Anyone got any info on this please?

Does the SD Card have a program files directory, and are your apps there?

I'd very much like to point the OP to the EDIT button at the bottom of your posts... use that instead of spamming your own thread
Anyway, keep in mind some things:
- some devices come with a lot of useless stuff preinstalled, that steals precious internal memory free space
- some cabs may decide to copy their files over to internal memory even if you choose to install to SD card, depending on how they have been set during creation
- you can have a larger free space by flashing a "clean" custom rom, with base WM, manila, and nothing else, and easily add only the apps you really need (the rom I use in signature is one of those, unless you are on a 1024LEO in which case it would brick your phone)
- unless you install heavy apps (44mb is usually for bigdictionaries, encyclopedias, or images collections, in which case SD is the way to go) most apps SHOULD be installed in internal memory for various reasons

Bravoexo said:
Does the SD Card have a program files directory, and are your apps there?
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Thx for reply.
Yes, and the files which I installed today, and now deleted, were in the program files on the SD Card, but it still impacted on device memory. I've now deleted the files I put on today but device memory is only indicating just over 3mb available. Prior to today I'm sure I had about 25mb free. Don't understand it??

ephestione said:
I'd very much like to point the OP to the EDIT button at the bottom of your posts... use that instead of spamming your own thread
Anyway, keep in mind some things:
- some devices come with a lot of useless stuff preinstalled, that steals precious internal memory free space
- some cabs may decide to copy their files over to internal memory even if you choose to install to SD card, depending on how they have been set during creation
- you can have a larger free space by flashing a "clean" custom rom, with base WM, manila, and nothing else, and easily add only the apps you really need (the rom I use in signature is one of those, unless you are on a 1024LEO in which case it would brick your phone)
- unless you install heavy apps (44mb is usually for bigdictionaries, encyclopedias, or images collections, in which case SD is the way to go) most apps SHOULD be installed in internal memory for various reasons
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Thx for the above tip re: edit button. I didn't know you could use it to add to your own thread. I do now so won't be making that mistake again.
I take on board what you say and thx for your various points.
I just think that if you have an SD card, why not use it instead of cramming up the precious internal memory? Prior to today I had approx. 25mb free internal space. This went to zero internal space after I installed a few apps. I inadvertently installed one of the apps on to internal memory instead of SD card, so this would have obviously had an impact. The 44mb cab was the Ferrari GT game I came across today. In any case I've now deleted everything I installed today. But I now only have just above 3mb of free internal space even tho I've soft resetted a few times as well. This is what I don't understand?

RoN_HD2 said:
Thx for the above tip re: edit button. I didn't know you could use it to add to your own thread. I do now so won't be making that mistake again.
I take on board what you say and thx for your various points.
I just think that if you have an SD card, why not use it instead of cramming up the precious internal memory? Prior to today I had approx. 25mb free internal space. This went to zero internal space after I installed a few apps. I inadvertently installed one of the apps on to internal memory instead of SD card, so this would have obviously had an impact. The 44mb cab was the Ferrari GT game I came across today. In any case I've now deleted everything I installed today. But I now only have just above 3mb of free internal space even tho I've soft resetted a few times as well. This is what I don't understand?
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My current rom leaves 250+MB free after flash, just to give you an idea.
Internal memory is way faster than the microsd, that's why you want to install apps there unless they are huge. Anyway, since games are not usually ment to stay on the device forever, but more like until you finish them to uninstall, you could give them a go in the internal memory as well.
If you still have space taken after uninstalling, download and install totalcommander (to internal memory obviously ) and check under \Program Files\ to see if there are folders of old uninstalled programs still in memory. If there are any, delete them.
If your stock rom is a bloated one from your carrier, take into consideration the idea of flashing a clean custom rom, if you have the means to reflash the original rom back on in case you ever need warranty servicing

ephestione said:
My current rom leaves 250+MB free after flash, just to give you an idea.
Internal memory is way faster than the microsd, that's why you want to install apps there unless they are huge. Anyway, since games are not usually ment to stay on the device forever, but more like until you finish them to uninstall, you could give them a go in the internal memory as well.
If you still have space taken after uninstalling, download and install totalcommander (to internal memory obviously ) and check under \Program Files\ to see if there are folders of old uninstalled programs still in memory. If there are any, delete them.
If your stock rom is a bloated one from your carrier, take into consideration the idea of flashing a clean custom rom, if you have the means to reflash the original rom back on in case you ever need warranty servicing
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I'm on the stock UK o2 ROM 1.43 which is garbage. Still waiting for o2 to release an update My phone prior to this was the Samsung i900 Omnia which, once upon a time, I attempted to flash with the help and advice of some MoDaCo forum users. Basically I screwed up and had to send the phone to a Samsung Repair Centre. My point is I'm not totally clued up re: flashing/updating ROMs etc. However, I do realise at some point I'm gonna need to get my head screwed on and give it another try. If only to keep the phone up to date etc.

How to delete ROM files in Windows folder

Hi.
I have searched for this issue, but haven't been able to find any answer to it.
I am running low on space on the phones main storage, and I discovered that there are several albums sample pictures which takes up a lot of space and I don't use CoPilot and the exe file takes up about 6MB. I tried to delete them but couldn't.
I have done step 67 in hints, tips and tweaks thread, and I install most of my apps on the storage card, but I am still running low on space.
So my question is: is it possible to delete some of the albums sample and CoPilot.exe?
Thanks

Copilot.exe is burned in the ROM, so the answer is no.
But I don't think that is the problem, as well as the sample pictures.
Try this instead:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6231410#post6231410

CRO_Misho said:
Copilot.exe is burned in the ROM, so the answer is no.
But I don't think that is the problem, as well as the sample pictures.
Try this instead:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6231410#post6231410
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Thanks for the help but, that thread didn't help me.
I don't get any error when I try to install an app. I just noticed that I don't have much space left on the phone's memory.
It seems that although I install most of my apps on the storage card, some files are still copied to the phones memory. And trying to cleanup the space on the phones memory I noticed some files that I don't use (e.g. CoPilot.exe and all the Albums sample images, total about 17 MB!). I just cannot delete them, since they are part of the ROM. So I was just wondering if someone had succeeded in deleting them. Has anyone succeeded in deleting those files?
By the way, I have done steps 65 and 67 in the tips & tweaks thread.

try cleaning your internet browser history

there's no point deleting files in rom because they are not consuming ram anyway... because they are in rom! So even if you could delete them, it wouldn't help.
deleting the googlemaps cache and the htc album cache will free up device ram.
you can also move your opera cache files to the storage card. If you use the MS facebook app, the thumbnail images located in \Temp\fbimagecache can also be moved to the storage card and i'm pretty sure the HTC generated facebook thumbs can be moved there as well. But you'll need to delve into the registry to do it
The \windows\rings folder can also be moved to storage card

dexterslab said:
there's no point deleting files in rom because they are not consuming ram anyway... because they are in rom! So even if you could delete them, it wouldn't help.
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that's not relevant, he's looking to free more space from the internal storage memory, not the ram...
And alas, you cannot remove files that are in the rom... that's why you'd be better off finding a custom rom suited to your needs without all the apps that you don't really need.
Best I've seen is ~250MB free after flash with sense, or about 30MB more without sense

ephestione said:
that's not relevant, he's looking to free more space from the internal storage memory, not the ram...
And alas, you cannot remove files that are in the rom... that's why you'd be better off finding a custom rom suited to your needs without all the apps that you don't really need.
Best I've seen is ~250MB free after flash with sense, or about 30MB more without sense
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Yes, exactly.
Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll take a look at the custom ROMs.

Its a HTC Touch but for this simple Question don't want to open a new Thread in the Touch Forum:
My Girlfriends HTC Touch P3450 (with this 6.5.3 ROM http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=636589) is running out of space.
(even with Original 6.1 ROM the little Space was a big Problem)
All Apps but Windows Marketplace and My Phone are installed on Micro SD.
Office Mobile 2010 needs less Space than the "old" Office Mobile so i upgradet
Ist there a Way to delete the sample Pictures, Sounds/Ringtones and other (unused) Files?
No success with Windows 7 or RESCO File Explorer.
I remember that it was possible with original Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM on P3450 and T7272 but with 6.5.3 it isn't.
Thanks
(and sorry for my poor english)

[Q] Data.img

Hi there,
i know some answer about data.img such as here
But i still confused
what are the diffrences between 512mb & 1gb data ?
what's inside ?
thanks
Ronald

Mainly the amount of space available for installing programs etc.

oh ic..
so on my word , when i installed apps, it will installed there, is this right ? or ? sorry for this silly question
thanks

basically yeah that is where you install apps to (if not on "SD") and it has wifi settings, etc...

ronald_delgeano said:
Hi there,
i know some answer about data.img such as here
But i still confused
what are the diffrences between 512mb & 1gb data ?
what's inside ?
thanks
Ronald
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Okay. I believe the most simple way to put it is like this:
On your stock HD2, you have a certain amount of memory on the device itself(512mb for unlocked HD2, 1024mb for TMOUS), this is where the OS is contained and also allows you space to install apps, store photos, music, etc...
The data.img that you either download from the thread or created by the Android build you're using is more or less exactly what is described above. It is "device memory" but contained in a single file so that it can be placed on the SD card.
Hope this clears things up for you.
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Hello,
will the Android-made-data file expand during use?

cybercrash said:
Hello,
will the Android-made-data file expand during use?
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No. There are guides in this forum on how to increase the size of one, rather than have to start again.

dharvey4651 said:
Okay. I believe the most simple way to put it is like this:
On your stock HD2, you have a certain amount of memory on the device itself(512mb for unlocked HD2, 1024mb for TMOUS), this is where the OS is contained and also allows you space to install apps, store photos, music, etc...
The data.img that you either download from the thread or created by the Android build you're using is more or less exactly what is described above. It is "device memory" but contained in a single file so that it can be placed on the SD card.
Hope this clears things up for you.
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Clear enough
thanks