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Hi,
This is my first post here. I got my htc hero a couple days ago and I've spent most of that time tinkering with it. I'm generally loving it, although I prefer the original android home screen to htc's custom interface. I've noticed that some things like the phonebook are quite laggy, and am under the impression that android's stock phonebook would feel much snappier.
So I would like to install a stock cupcake or donut android to my phone. The thing is, I'm really new to this so I'm not even sure if it's possible. Can it be done? Has any of you guys done it? Even if I succeed, will I be able to use my phone to call and send messages, or will I need to do extra stuff? Can I backup everything in my phone, so that I'll be able to revert it if I break something or I decide that no, the sense ui was better after all?
You see that's a lot of questions, I really hope you guys can give me a hand with this.
Cheers!
After reading some other threads, I think I have some of my questions answered. But do you guys know if any of the stock android builds works with the hero? Can I install anything to it, apart from the system that came with the phone?
you can only install Hero builds on your phone! currently there are none as the phone just came out. So just be patient. If you think the UI is too laggy.. clear default home screen and use regular launcher..
The HTC touchflo stuff works on top of android so If you REALLY wanted to revert back to basic android then i guess you could after rooting and installing a basic android ROM. WARNING though, i dont think that has been done yet. reasons in include
WHY WHY WHY?
Hero has exchange support, basic flash support.
barryallott said:
The HTC touchflo stuff works on top of android so If you REALLY wanted to revert back to basic android then i guess you could after rooting and installing a basic android ROM.
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Well minogue seems to think otherwise... has anyone tried actually?
Anyway, if I use nandroid to backup my system I shouldn't risk anything right?
I think I'll just wait but, can you point me to a basic android Rom? I've seen there are lots of them and I would't know which one to pick.
I written this with the phone, by the way. Awesome keyboard
frandavid100 said:
Well minogue seems to think otherwise... has anyone tried actually?
Anyway, if I use nandroid to backup my system I shouldn't risk anything right?
I think I'll just wait but, can you point me to a basic android Rom? I've seen there are lots of them and I would't know which one to pick.
I written this with the phone, by the way. Awesome keyboard
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And you would lose this 'awesome' keyboard!
Just turn off SenseUI. The rest of Android runs underneath.
Where are the default Calendar and Contact apps ?
I'm in exactly the same boat as frandavid100. I love the Hero's hardware, but most of SenseUI is too flashy; I don't care about most of the improvements (seven home screens, irritating widgets, lots of Facebook/Twitter/Flickr integration, exchange support) and I'd say some of them are worse than the alternative (the calendar doesn't show as much information in the month view; Flash in the browser just makes websites much, much slower and doesn't work for video).
On the other hand, apparently 1.5 is much faster, and 2.0 (on release) will have multitouch in Google Maps as well as in the browser, so I'd like to get running the stock Android operating system.
I don't know anything about cooking ROMs, though, so I'll wait for a kind benefactor. Hopefully it's not just frandavid100 and I who want a faster version of Android...
Glad to see I'm not alone.
Anyway, is there a way to test the stock android keyboard and phonebook? I kinda dig htc's keyboard, with its compact qwerty layout, but I hate the phonebook and I haven't found a decent alternative in the market.
+1
Beeing used to G1 I would also prefer simple UI .. not that Sense is bad
but I prefer simple that sexy UI Then we could benefit of full hero
power on cupcake or donut ...
phcollignon said:
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Beeing used to G1 I would also prefer simple UI .. not that Sense is bad
but I prefer simple that sexy UI Then we could benefit of full hero
power on cupcake or donut ...
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You already effectively have Cupcake on the Hero - firmware version is V1.5, which is a Cupcake build. If you just drop Sense UI, your back to almost a vanilla G1 build, which the exception you have HTC keyboards and apps as opposed to Google ones. Given that the hardware in the Hero is pretty similar to the Magic (at least those with 288mb RAM), there isn't exactly any additional "power" to harness either!
With respect to Donut, as far as I'm aware there are *no* operational Donut ROMs available for the G1, Magic, or Hero as yet.
Regards,
Dave
I do also prefer the clean fast Android interface over HTC's one, I know how to make the default home screen to be the Android one but touchflo keeps running in the backgroupd eating more than 30MB RAM and wondering if it is safe to uninstall this package and probably others too. In brief, disable the sense UI. It is maybe nice but at this point is slow compared to the Android interface
yeh, i would like to remove the touchflo altogether as it keeps running in the background even though i use the default home screen. Or at least have some sort of of startup manager to stop things running at boot.
must be out soon, there is some leaked screenshots here including the widget.
http://androidguys.com/?p=6260
OK - so the Her is already running Cupcake, but with SenseUI on top, and while you can disable some parts of SenseUI from running, you can't actually get rid of them.
In that case I think I'll wait and see what happens around Donut. If HTC release an updated Hero ROM, I'll go with that, and if they don't, I can wait for a generous ROM chef to bake a nice, basic Donut ROM for the Hero. Thanks for everyone's help.
You'll need to root your phone to do it:
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...if-you-wanted-to-get-rid-of-rosie-completely/
Me tooo
I would love to be able to 'downgrade' my Hero to the stock android.
At the very least, I'd love an easy way to install the stock android applications on top of the HTC ones, and hopefully uninstall the ones I don't use so as to save some application space.
I'm a little confused.
I have been experimenting with different ROM's for my 32A device, all based on the official HTC Sense release for Magic.
I have tried:
CaSense 1.0
MyHero 2.0.4
HoFo 3.0.5
I've been a long time MyHero user, and i have been very pleased with both performance and functionality. Switched to CaSense to try something new. It works very well too. Since I already wiped, I downloaded the third 32a ROM, this time the Official HoFo Community ROM.
Now I'm lost. In my opinion there are very few differences between the three. Which one should I choose?
I would probably get different answers from the different followers.
Does anybody know advantages/disadvantages of the different ROM's?
Is there an updated comparison chart of the different ROM's exist? (I know there is a 32B comparison chart, but not for 32A, and I don't know if any of there are updated, or even possible to keep updated due to the rapid development of new versions...)
Why are there so many similar ROM's available?
It seems that most (all) developers are working together to find solutions to issues, and most ROM's have the same functionality and faults in them. So why do we have so many options?
I would also like some input on this subject also
Hello all,
I've been lurking on the forum for a while now, and my 32A magic should be on its way now...
Information about different flavours of cooked roms for magic with Sense seems scarse so, to me, if anyone who knows better the differences between them and wants to share, I'd be more than happy to know =)
Cheers,
--to
Yep, I would like to know too!
The wiki for the Magic only list the firmwares. Would be nice to actually have some info on the benefits of the different types.
hello all
I have tried these ROMs except hofo
I think Casense1.0 is better than myhero2.04
but now i'm using CyannogenMod-4.2.2,it's much stabler than all option
you give.
I'm from China .my English is poor. sorry
I'm currently on CaSense 1.1 and find it very stable.
I also tried Magic GyD 2.0.3 and it is also good.
The HoFo ROM only had English and Chinese language installed, and I would like a ROM that supports Norwegian keyboard. So this is not for me.
I will give CyanogenMod 4.2.3.1 a try too, but I am still confused
Most of the ROMs are very similar, and I can not understand what differences excists that can justify all the different versions.
Are the ROM's just personal adjustments made to the developers liking, or do they include something unique?
I am using HoFo and I love it. It is extremly stable with little to no bugs and Hotweiss is very fast fixing any issues.
Using myHero after trying most of the other roms, reglasses seems to do a nice job on his cooks. But i have to admit i didn't care to give CaSense much of a chance cause it seemed like he put something together way to fast with to many issues just to be the first one releasing a rom based on the official TW magic rom with sense UI. Where i appreciate the developer taking his time to do some nice cooking and serve the good and more stable release.
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Most of the ROMs are very similar, and I can not understand what differences excists that can justify all the different versions.
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From your signature, you have a CaSense 1.1 which you modified yourself. Why did you do it yourself? If you can answer that, then you have the answer to your question above.
Alright, I've sworn by hotweiss' HoFo ROMs for a long while, simply because it was just modified stock and he had the same device and provider as me. It's currently undergoing teething issues with the Sense UI. I would also like to know about the differences between all the Sense UI ROMs - I just don't have the time to load each one and tinker with it long enough to find their individual perks.
Judging by your post, I believe you want the nice flashy Sense UI. Keep in mind that Sense UI does significantly slow your phone down - WAY down. I installed Cyanogen's ROM the other day just to compare the difference. If you can live without flashy UI, go with Cyanogen. It's much faster and snappier, and really, the installation is pretty much a breeze anyways.
Advantages of Sense UI is that it looks pretty. That's pretty much it. Most of it's functionality can be found from other apps on the Market. You got a ****load of Twitter apps, Facebook app for the widget, SyncMyPix to get contact photos, etc etc. That said, I'm sort of addicted to the Sense UI interface right now myself. Oh, one more thing - Sense UI doesn't allow other apps to control the brightness (I believe it's an issue affecting all Sense UI ROMs). It's a pain in the ass, since I used to have my brightness auto adjust based on location and time. If that's something you want...go Cyanogen.
Oh, Cyanogen also has OTA updates. Hotweiss also posts up the link on Twitter. I do not know about the other ROMs though. This means that if you have a nice data plan, you can update your phone anywhere.
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Alright, I've sworn by hotweiss' HoFo ROMs for a long while, simply because it was just modified stock and he had the same device and provider as me. It's currently undergoing teething issues with the Sense UI. I would also like to know about the differences between all the Sense UI ROMs - I just don't have the time to load each one and tinker with it long enough to find their individual perks.
Judging by your post, I believe you want the nice flashy Sense UI. Keep in mind that Sense UI does significantly slow your phone down - WAY down. I installed Cyanogen's ROM the other day just to compare the difference. If you can live without flashy UI, go with Cyanogen. It's much faster and snappier, and really, the installation is pretty much a breeze anyways.
Advantages of Sense UI is that it looks pretty. That's pretty much it. Most of it's functionality can be found from other apps on the Market. You got a ****load of Twitter apps, Facebook app for the widget, SyncMyPix to get contact photos, etc etc. That said, I'm sort of addicted to the Sense UI interface right now myself. Oh, one more thing - Sense UI doesn't allow other apps to control the brightness (I believe it's an issue affecting all Sense UI ROMs). It's a pain in the ass, since I used to have my brightness auto adjust based on location and time. If that's something you want...go Cyanogen.
Oh, Cyanogen also has OTA updates. Hotweiss also posts up the link on Twitter. I do not know about the other ROMs though. This means that if you have a nice data plan, you can update your phone anywhere.
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Abso-freaken-lutely. That bugs the hell out of me.
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From your signature, you have a CaSense 1.1 which you modified yourself. Why did you do it yourself? If you can answer that, then you have the answer to your question above.
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The modification consists of removing some applications I don't use (Twitter, Plurk, etc) and adding my own ringtones and wallpaper/lockscreen.
I would probably do this to any ROM I choose.
My point is, that it seems irrelevant which ROM I choose, they are basically the same, providing identical features, speed and functionality.
SpaceBoy2000 said:
Alright, I've sworn by hotweiss' HoFo ROMs for a long while, simply because it was just modified stock and he had the same device and provider as me. It's currently undergoing teething issues with the Sense UI. I would also like to know about the differences between all the Sense UI ROMs - I just don't have the time to load each one and tinker with it long enough to find their individual perks.
Judging by your post, I believe you want the nice flashy Sense UI. Keep in mind that Sense UI does significantly slow your phone down - WAY down. I installed Cyanogen's ROM the other day just to compare the difference. If you can live without flashy UI, go with Cyanogen. It's much faster and snappier, and really, the installation is pretty much a breeze anyways.
Advantages of Sense UI is that it looks pretty. That's pretty much it. Most of it's functionality can be found from other apps on the Market. You got a ****load of Twitter apps, Facebook app for the widget, SyncMyPix to get contact photos, etc etc. That said, I'm sort of addicted to the Sense UI interface right now myself. Oh, one more thing - Sense UI doesn't allow other apps to control the brightness (I believe it's an issue affecting all Sense UI ROMs). It's a pain in the ass, since I used to have my brightness auto adjust based on location and time. If that's something you want...go Cyanogen.
Oh, Cyanogen also has OTA updates. Hotweiss also posts up the link on Twitter. I do not know about the other ROMs though. This means that if you have a nice data plan, you can update your phone anywhere.
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I am very fond of the Sense UI. If I wasn't, I would give Cyanogen a try.
I don't use Twitter, Facebook or Plurk, and I usually remove the applications from the ROM.
And I have always thought the UI was snappy enough for me, so speed is not an issue.
I do not require a frequently updated ROM, but it is nice if issues are fixed as soon as possible. But since many (all) Hero ROM's have the same issues, I just thought the community would benefit from a joint effort of the developers to fix those, instead of the minor tweaking jobs they do now.
(No disrespect to the developers intended. I really appreciate the effort. I just want you to go in a different direction )
I'm currently running Dwang 1.12 its a Donut rom and it's the fastest i've run so far, i've tried many others and its really just a great rom.
Now that 2.0 and 2.1 is out and about, just wondering what the major difference would be between 1.6 and 2.0..
Is there an improvement on speed and smoothness of scrolling?
Apart from navi, any new features that make it worth jumping up to 2.0?
Lots of cosmetic improvements, the dialler/contacts app has been redesigned and so has messaging and the settings screen, mostly this is just for usability I think. The other big features are built in integration for facebook (for syncing photos to your contacts) and native exchange support, I am sure there is a load of other stuff I haven't mentioned besides updates to google apps.
I've tried the AOSP 2.0 roms going around and scrolling between home screens is jerky at the moment, so it seems there is some work to do to optimise for HTC Magic, also the Camera does not work as there is no driver from HTC that works with Android 2.0.
I'm sticking with Dwang 1.12 until we have an official Android 2.0 release for the Magic/MT3G (which hopefully Dwang will work his magic on), for me there is no reason to jump as I am happy where I am, I guess it depends how much you like to tinker with your phone!
I've tried a lot of different roms, and the only reason i kept trying out and playing with differnet rom is just because the usability and stability of most roms was no where near adequate, but the dwang has really hit it on the head and is a great look into what the future roms should be and hopefully will be like.
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native exchange support
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i'm under the impression that 2.0 does not support full exchange sync. ie. mail, contact and calendar. it does mail only. is that correct?
looktall said:
i'm under the impression that 2.0 does not support full exchange sync. ie. mail, contact and calendar. it does mail only. is that correct?
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That is my impression too: thread
sorry to butt in... i have a Rogers Magic 1.5 with SenseUI, direct from the HTC RUU, and ive been thinking about 2.0/1 lately.
1) what are the differences between SenseUI 1.5and 2.0/1?
2) should i wait for HTC to release a 2.0 update for the magic?
3) should i just root and flash a new rom that has what i want?
thank you guys
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That is my impression too: thread
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It definitely supports contacts sync, not sure about calendar though.
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights.html#UserFeatures
zachthemaster said:
2) should i wait for HTC to release a 2.0 update for the magic?
3) should i just root and flash a new rom that has what i want?
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Knowing HTC you could be waiting a while! I would give it a go if you don't mind a few things being broken (camera, possibly bluetooth depending on which rom you choose). Provided you do a nandroid first you can always go back to a backup if you don't like it.
I picked this up from cross posts at modaco and xda-vibrant, but it seems there is a vanilla (no Samsung apps no TouchWiz) Android OS for the i9000 ... which would be cool ... if it worked. But I'm not sure anyone actually tried this on a SGS? It's been tried on a Vibrant (from what I can tell) and it half worked - dialler was not working so no phone :-(
Anyone who wants to keep track, OP at AndroidForums:
http://androidforums.com/samsung-captivate/130487-roms-monaco-releases.html
but I see the last post there 24th July, so maybe this is old news? In which case .. sincere apologies!
I think a lot of us are wanting a vanilla build of 2.1 (because 2.2 is wishing for just too much ;-) )
I desperatly need Vanilla to run on SGS.
If wasn't for the hardware, I would never have bought a SGS. I DETEST any custom UI.
So what advantage would a vanilla OS give me?
I don’t like TWLauncher so I just installed another launcher like ADW, LauncherPro, and I never see TWLauncher again. And I use the SGS apps I like and don’t use the one’s I don’t, what’s the problem?
MaNIaC
MaNIaCv1 said:
So what advantage would a vanilla OS give me?
I don’t like TWLauncher so I just installed another launcher like ADW, LauncherPro, and I never see TWLauncher again. And I use the SGS apps I like and don’t use the one’s I don’t, what’s the problem?
MaNIaC
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Unnecessary bloatware. Even with a Launcher replacement like LauncherPro or ADW, the CrapWiz is still there, all over the OS. Also, it makes upgrades take longer due to development team needing to adjust to their UI of choice.
I sincerelly hope that with Gingerbread and the new Vanilla UI, this crap will be over.
For me it's a matter of compatibility. A small example is Samsung Calendar keeps a local calendar as default. I don't want this since I am fully on google cloud services.
I want the Android OS that asks you for your google account on first boot.
Also, Samsung music player (as good as it may be) is not compatible with many other apps (eg Last.FM scrobbling)
I just get the impression that Samsung have incorporated their own framework to railroad you into the "Samsung" way. Which may be fine for some. I want the "Google" way (having been spoilt with my previous N1/Froyo).
Also, I wonder if vanilla Android OS, the GPS might actually be useful ...
miker71 said:
For me it's a matter of compatibility. A small example is Samsung Calendar keeps a local calendar as default. I don't want this since I am fully on google cloud services.
I want the Android OS that asks you for your google account on first boot.
Also, Samsung music player (as good as it may be) is not compatible with many other apps (eg Last.FM scrobbling)
I just get the impression that Samsung have incorporated their own framework to railroad you into the "Samsung" way. Which may be fine for some. I want the "Google" way (having been spoilt with my previous N1/Froyo).
Also, I wonder if vanilla Android OS, the GPS might actually be useful ...
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Exactly. You buy an Android phone for the Google experience. I just wished it was like Nexus One is.
Having re-read the original thread, I'm led to believe that the vanilla ROM still includes TouchWiz - from the context, I think this is a ROM from MoDaCo's kitchen perhaps, based on a stock Samsung ROM
miker71 said:
For me it's a matter of compatibility.
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So are you saying that compatibility issues disappear if we had a vanilla OS?
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I wonder if vanilla Android OS, the GPS might actually be useful ...
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Would there be a different GPS driver and API if we had a vanilla OS?
MaNIaC
I have a Dinc and I'm running miui Rom. It has the stock vanilla browser and I want the HTC browser that can on my phone. Imo its way better. Can someone help me to accomplish swapping them out?
Htc has a specialzed framework which supplies part of the browser. This would require a decent amount of time to port it to a non-sense rom. Its possible but probably won't happen soon unless someone is already working on it.