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Help! Beginner Here! HTC HD2 on T-Mobile UK

Hi guys
Hoping someone would be kind enough to take the time out to answer some questions I have regarding my HD2 on T-Mobile UK and how I go about modifying it etc
Please bare with me....this is the first smartphone ive ever had and am totally new to all of this! :S
1) Does the fact that its locked to T-Mobile (and has some form of their own software on it) mean I am unable to make use of the many updates or software tweaks that appear on this site?
2) I see people talking about Manilla...is this the software HTC place on top on WM6.5?
3) I see a lot of people talking about flashing their ROMs....what does this actually mean? Is it possible for me to get rid of all T-mobile crap on my phone and be able to apply updates, fixes etc whenever I want?
4) I know of some people who have Jailbreak their iPhone allowing them to run loadsa different software on it etc....is something similar possible on the HD2?
5) Basically it all comes down to the fact that I dont like the basic taskbar look on my phone (really want a colourfull taskbar and some form of % battery indicator) and want to make it look a bit more modern/exciting....and Ive seen loadsa uploads on this site about other users homescreens etc and want to know how i go about doing that? Im not sure if having a T-Mobile HD2 will stop me from modifying it in that way?
Would really appreciate any help/advice anyone is willing to give.....the site seems very oriented to people who know what they're doing lol and im struggling to find a section for novice users like myself! I really like that idea of having a phone I can customise whenever I like.....just not sure at all of how to start going about it......
Cheers!!!

1) Does the fact that its locked to T-Mobile (and has some form of their own software on it) mean I am unable to make use of the many updates or software tweaks that appear on this site?
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The fact that it's locked to T-Mobile doesn't affect the majority of software on here. Sometimes, there'll be discrepancies between what's expected on your phone, and what's actually on your phone. This will be rare, and usually resolved on here anyway.
2) I see people talking about Manilla...is this the software HTC place on top on WM6.5?
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Yes - Manila is the Sense UI.
3) I see a lot of people talking about flashing their ROMs....what does this actually mean? Is it possible for me to get rid of all T-mobile crap on my phone and be able to apply updates, fixes etc whenever I want?
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Flashing the ROM changes the core of the phone. It's often done to do exactly what you said - to get rid of the software that's there by default, but you don't want it. Another more common reason for ROM flashing, is ROM updates that include software fixes (as just happened with 1.48), or windows updates.
4) I know of some people who have Jailbreak their iPhone allowing them to run loadsa different software on it etc....is something similar possible on the HD2?
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You don't need to "jailbreak" windows mobile. Question 3 covers this really.
5) Basically it all comes down to the fact that I dont like the basic taskbar look on my phone (really want a colourfull taskbar and some form of % battery indicator) and want to make it look a bit more modern/exciting....and Ive seen loadsa uploads on this site about other users homescreens etc and want to know how i go about doing that? Im not sure if having a T-Mobile HD2 will stop me from modifying it in that way?
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Having a T-Mobile phone won't stop you changing that at all. Just get used to these forums and searching them and you'll find most things you need. There's certainly taskbars on here. You're better off looking in either the root Leo forum (one step above this forum), or the themes and apps one. Also, the Sense UI has a lot of mods in other forums. The Blackstone, for example, had the Sense UI available in a ROM way before the HD2 was released, so that's also a good source of information.
Just keep reading and you'll be fine. We were all new here once
Have fun!

Thanks very much!! appreciate it!
however, u say here:
Flashing the ROM changes the core of the phone. It's often done to do exactly what you said - to get rid of the software that's there by default, but you don't want it. Another more common reason for ROM flashing, is ROM updates that include software fixes (as just happened with 1.48), or windows updates.
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just wondering why I wouldnt want to apply ROM updates and windows updates? would it not be better to do this than wait for official updates from T-Mobile that will prob take forever to emerge?
I've seen on some forums that there is already an official (yet not appearing on the HTC site) HD2 ROM upgrade....but are you saying you advise against this? Or are u saying I dont want to change the core of the phone....but applying updates etc is still possible?
Sorry, excuse my ignorance!
Cheers

I don't understand why you think I'm advising against ROM updates, but I'm not
Basically, it's up to you to weigh up whether or not you want to do a ROM update by looking at what's new and what's removed (if anything).
As far as waiting for T-Mobile to release their own version of the ROM.... yeah, you're right. I wouldn't bother.
I've just updated my HD2 with the 1.48 release, and it's a LOT faster. It's still new though, and a couple of issues have already been found. It's always "at your own risk" whenever you flash the ROM or install mods.

can i ask you what come in the box with tmobile handset, carry pouch? micro sd? an such. and did you get it from tmobile themselves or a phone outlet like carphonewarehouse, thanks in advance

johncmolyneux said:
I don't understand why you think I'm advising against ROM updates, but I'm not
Basically, it's up to you to weigh up whether or not you want to do a ROM update by looking at what's new and what's removed (if anything).
As far as waiting for T-Mobile to release their own version of the ROM.... yeah, you're right. I wouldn't bother.
I've just updated my HD2 with the 1.48 release, and it's a LOT faster. It's still new though, and a couple of issues have already been found. It's always "at your own risk" whenever you flash the ROM or install mods.
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ah ok sorry...i must have misred your original reply! apologies
ok...final question....if i wanted to upgrade to this new ROM? could u maybe quickly explain how I go about doing this? sorry to be a pain! Its just i was under the impression i couldnt do this as long as it was locked onto T-Mobile (or any network for that matter)
Many thanks again!!

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can i ask you what come in the box with tmobile handset, carry pouch? micro sd? an such. and did you get it from tmobile themselves or a phone outlet like carphonewarehouse, thanks in advance
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hi....sure! no probs...
i got the handset (obviously lol) charger and micro usb lead (which is quite short and frustrating actually) also got a 2gb micro sd card! There was no pouch - although as far as I am aware HTC supply a pouch...which t-mobile (and all other networks as far as im aware) remove....to force u to buy one! So i bought the official HTC leather one online for £10 - which is quite nice!
I just walked into a t-mobile store in glasgow and asked for the phone...and they had it! i had been arguing all week on the phone with t-mobile upgrades and retentions.....they wanted to charge me £380 upgrade charge as i have a 50% line reduction.......but when i walked into the store they done it for me for £50!!! and kept my discount!!!! so now i get 1000mins, unlimited txts and internet for £20 a month! if ur looking for the phone and dont get quoted a good deal keep shopping....there's always someone willing to do a good deal!
happy times all round!

giopirolli said:
ok...final question....if i wanted to upgrade to this new ROM? could u maybe quickly explain how I go about doing this? sorry to be a pain! Its just i was under the impression i couldnt do this as long as it was locked onto T-Mobile (or any network for that matter)
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Sorry - you're absolutely right. You can't upgrade with that ROM. The experts on here are working on something called "Hard SPL" which basically allows you to flash any old ROM you want, regardless of your ROM version at the time.
The ROM that's bouncing round at the moment is an official HTC one, and can only be used on phones that aren't locked to providers.
Since it's a new phone, I'd recommend getting used to it and the available mods on here. You don't need to be able to flash the ROM to install most of the mods, so you can still tweak your phone like mad!

johncmolyneux said:
Sorry - you're absolutely right. You can't upgrade with that ROM. The experts on here are working on something called "Hard SPL" which basically allows you to flash any old ROM you want, regardless of your ROM version at the time.
The ROM that's bouncing round at the moment is an official HTC one, and can only be used on phones that aren't locked to providers.
Since it's a new phone, I'd recommend getting used to it and the available mods on here. You don't need to be able to flash the ROM to install most of the mods, so you can still tweak your phone like mad!
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Ok great - yeah good idea! Ive not used it enough to warrant any need to upgrade the ROM and im pretty happy with its speed etc at the moment....prob because i aint got any apps on it apart from a YouTube one (since the lovely people at T-Mobile remove the YouTube app that comes with the phone!)
I'll have a play around with some of the mods on the site and try get it looking much sweeter!lol
Thanks for all your help mate......very much appreciated!!

giopirolli said:
Thanks for all your help mate......very much appreciated!!
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No worries mate. Have fun, search and ask. Also, be prepared to hard reset if/when you brick your phone for the 1st time

giopirolli said:
hi....sure! no probs...
i got the handset (obviously lol) charger and micro usb lead (which is quite short and frustrating actually) also got a 2gb micro sd card! There was no pouch - although as far as I am aware HTC supply a pouch...which t-mobile (and all other networks as far as im aware) remove....to force u to buy one! So i bought the official HTC leather one online for £10 - which is quite nice!
I just walked into a t-mobile store in glasgow and asked for the phone...and they had it! i had been arguing all week on the phone with t-mobile upgrades and retentions.....they wanted to charge me £380 upgrade charge as i have a 50% line reduction.......but when i walked into the store they done it for me for £50!!! and kept my discount!!!! so now i get 1000mins, unlimited txts and internet for £20 a month! if ur looking for the phone and dont get quoted a good deal keep shopping....there's always someone willing to do a good deal!
happy times all round!
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hi thanks for quick reply
am glad you get micro sd, they could of threw the pouch in too LOL, oh well suppose its not that expensive. (know what you mean bout charger cable, same with diamond2 lol) i`m with orange at the mo there not releasing the phone on there network at all i dont think, got my diamond2 from carphone warehouse 10 months ago. its been put in for repair 2 times already due to touch screen failure, last time i put it in it got sent to htc who declared the warrenty void because of certain applications on the phone and have demanded £70 to fix even though i pay insurance every month. decided am not paying gonna cancel direct debit as it was nothing to do with software why i put it in, in the 1st place, think its ridiculous! i`d flashed a cooked rom on my phone and unblocked it with hard spl, i reflashed original htc rom before putting it in the shop but forgot to reblock my phone again, thats what they mean by CERTAIN APPLICATIONS. so beware if flashing your device with non htc rom and you have to claim on insurance for anything, you have to reflash everything back to original htc factory software/roms. to be honest hard spl(unblocking programme to flash any rom) is not out there yet for hd2, i dont think. but just a little tip for you..
by the way lol, i cant seem to get my hands on a hd2 anywhere, there like rocking horse sh#t!! lol am getting really bored watching videos about the device on pocketnow.com now tho Grrrrrrrrrrrrr lol i NEED one soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
just had an email from tmobile, apparently its on its way!!!!!!!!! yaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

johncmolyneux said:
Sorry - you're absolutely right. You can't upgrade with that ROM. The experts on here are working on something called "Hard SPL" which basically allows you to flash any old ROM you want, regardless of your ROM version at the time.
The ROM that's bouncing round at the moment is an official HTC one, and can only be used on phones that aren't locked to providers.
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Erm you can flash the newly "released" Official HTC WWE ROM using the goldcard method. I did so on my T-Mobile HD2. The benefit of doing so is to regain the applications T-Mobile removed like You-Tube, CoPilot trial and Jetcet print. Also you get the advantage of being able to flash future patches directly from HTC, instead of waiting for T-mobile to get their hands on them and break it.

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Erm you can flash the newly "released" Official HTC WWE ROM using the goldcard method. I did so on my T-Mobile HD2. The benefit of doing so is to regain the applications T-Mobile removed like You-Tube, CoPilot trial and Jetcet print. Also you get the advantage of being able to flash future patches directly from HTC, instead of waiting for T-mobile to get their hands on them and break it.
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I don't know what the goldcard method is, so I couldn't advise him on it.

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I don't know what the goldcard method is, so I couldn't advise him on it.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591314

hmmm this goldcard method sounds promising! ill check it out! thanks for that Gajet!

giopirolli said:
hmmm this goldcard method sounds promising! ill check it out! thanks for that Gajet!
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Hey buddy, did you manage to flash your rom then?
Like you I'm very new to this scene (coming from an iphone) so just wanted to know if you had successfully flashed your rom. Which rom did you use because I can see a lot of different versions of this 1.48 and don't know which one to use.
Surely if you flash your rom and it shows the youtube app as well as copilot, tmobile will void your warranty wont they???

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Erm you can flash the newly "released" Official HTC WWE ROM using the goldcard method. I did so on my T-Mobile HD2. The benefit of doing so is to regain the applications T-Mobile removed like You-Tube, CoPilot trial and Jetcet print. Also you get the advantage of being able to flash future patches directly from HTC, instead of waiting for T-mobile to get their hands on them and break it.
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I agree ...flashed my o2 locked phone yesterday

Double post pls discard

babyshaq said:
Hey buddy, did you manage to flash your rom then?
Like you I'm very new to this scene (coming from an iphone) so just wanted to know if you had successfully flashed your rom. Which rom did you use because I can see a lot of different versions of this 1.48 and don't know which one to use.
Surely if you flash your rom and it shows the youtube app as well as copilot, tmobile will void your warranty wont they???
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Hey...i havent given it a go yet! as im new to this i decided to just play around with some little tweaks....like changing my taskbar and modifying some other options...like removing the "scroll down for more options" button during a call so the options are always present..........before i attempted anything big like flashing my ROM! lol
not sure regarding the warranty issue....id think so....tho if i had to send it in for repair (touch wood i wont) then id just restore it back to its original version 1st....

TartanArmy said:
I agree ...flashed my o2 locked phone yesterday
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hey......to which version? 1.48? noticed any improvements?

2.5 OTA update for G1 mid january

http://droidheaven.com/2009/12/12/g1-and-mytouch-3g-to-get-2-5-update-in-january/
just when i thought my g1 was getting out dated and they where going to stop giving us updates.
Even though our Devs are hard at work to get 2.0 and 2.1 working, and for the most part they are very quick and reliable but dont have a working camera unless htc gives us camera drivers we are screwed. but i came across this today and i now have hope. i was going to buy a nexus next month but now that its confirmed that we are getting a 2.5 OTA update i see no need in upgrading just wait until Cyanogen Drizzy or JAC (where are you MLIGN???)get a hold of this one
sorry mods if you think this doesnt belong PLZ move

is this for real?
I don't want to sound like a sceptic, but this sounds scetchy.

let me get this straight....
their new $500 phone is only gonna have 2.1 but the 'outdated' G1 will get 2.5....
....not a hope in hell of them doing that
i will eat my hat if we have 2.5 on the G1 before january is out....
hopefully my hat will taste good...id love this to be true....but its unlikely

Well.......
According to Eugene373 they have the camera drivers, but will not release them just yet...
Only a matter of time!

garok89 said:
let me get this straight....
their new $500 phone is only gonna have 2.1 but the 'outdated' G1 will get 2.5....
....not a hope in hell of them doing that
i will eat my hat if we have 2.5 on the G1 before january is out....
hopefully my hat will taste good...id love this to be true....but its unlikely
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If you have the new flavored hats, you might go back for seconds. I'm sure the G1's "2.5" will be 2.0 with flash if it even comes out.

Bit offtopic but isn't flash just an application, technically a browser addon?
It wouldn't need to be in a rom, just on the android market as "Flash" or included in an update to the browser application.

If you piece all the rumors and truly confirmed info from those that get the leaks, the G1 is getting an update sometime in January/February to 2.0/2.1/2.5... something with a 2 at the front. Wow! Such shocking news "confirmed" by an un-named "source" on a site that has also "confirmed" in the past we would be getting 2.0 then 2.1 and now 2.5.

I made a Post with the exact same topic so a mod please lock it/delete it.
The g1/mytouch is not getting android 2.5 it is getting 2.0/2.0.1
They got the mytouch version working but the damn unrooted g1 just doesn't have the space for it so we have to wait so they can slim it down.

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http://droidheaven.com/2009/12/12/g1-and-mytouch-3g-to-get-2-5-update-in-january/
just when i thought my g1 was getting out dated and they where going to stop giving us updates.
Even though our Devs are hard at work to get 2.0 and 2.1 working, and for the most part they are very quick and reliable but dont have a working camera unless htc gives us camera drivers we are screwed. but i came across this today and i now have hope. i was going to buy a nexus next month but now that its confirmed that we are getting a 2.5 OTA update i see no need in upgrading just wait until Cyanogen Drizzy or JAC (where are you MLIGN???)get a hold of this one
sorry mods if you think this doesnt belong PLZ move
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sounds like the cupcake rumor mill all over again...

I dont trust this one bit

2.5? What is that exactly?
Honestly, it's getting annoying to see specific releases of Android for specific phones (e.g., 2.0 for Droid, 2.1 for N1). It's almost like after 1.6, the releases started to become phone specific rather than generic.

JAguirre1231 said:
If you have the new flavored hats, you might go back for seconds. I'm sure the G1's "2.5" will be 2.0 with flash if it even comes out.
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Hopefully its Android 2.1 with Flash but ughh damn it I don't wanna wait! My hat is strawberry!

I am a Rep for T-mobile i would like to know where he got the info on that. thats the first i have heard of anything like that.

Murd3r3d said:
I am a Rep for T-mobile i would like to know where he got the info on that. thats the first i have heard of anything like that.
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So you guys will have a update for Mytouch 3G though?
Or will it get discontinued along with G1?

Murd3r3d said:
I am a Rep for T-mobile i would like to know where he got the info on that. thats the first i have heard of anything like that.
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And congratulations for violating streamline policy. Better hope your coach/senior doesnt see you tossing that around. I watched LOTS of people get fired for doing that back when I was a TMO FCR.

Murd3r3d said:
I am a Rep for T-mobile i would like to know where he got the info on that. thats the first i have heard of anything like that.
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And you won't be the first to hear of it either. I promise you, as hard as it is to believe, that HTC and TMO upper management are the first to know. Next up are leaks from devs for HTC to media. Then official confirmation from TMO to the media. Then, about a week after that, if not longer, reps are informed. Don't say otherwise, since some of us work in the business as well, likely for much longer, and have seen how this works.
Reps are always left in the dark until the very end. It is stupid, since reps deal with the public face to face and can make a selling point out of a bunch of the stuff that is kept in the dark, but it is the way it is.

2.5?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHA!!! You gotta love rumors. The update coming out in January, if any update at all, will more then likely be 2.0 with or without flash. If it's that easy for people to post rumors regarding android, why doesn't someone post something regarding android 17.1 (wedding cake). It's the merge of iPhone & Android!!!! ROTF!

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And you won't be the first to hear of it either. I promise you, as hard as it is to believe, that HTC and TMO upper management are the first to know. Next up are leaks from devs for HTC to media. Then official confirmation from TMO to the media. Then, about a week after that, if not longer, reps are informed. Don't say otherwise, since some of us work in the business as well, likely for much longer, and have seen how this works.
Reps are always left in the dark until the very end. It is stupid, since reps deal with the public face to face and can make a selling point out of a bunch of the stuff that is kept in the dark, but it is the way it is.
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I agree 100%!!! I work for a cable provider, who will remain nameless, and we (reps) are always the last to know about anything. You have no idea how many times a customer called and informed me of a new process/website/service. It amazes me. The front-line associates are ALWAYS the last to know!

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I agree 100%!!! I work for a cable provider, who will remain nameless, and we (reps) are always the last to know about anything. You have no idea how many times a customer called and informed me of a new process/website/service. It amazes me. The front-line associates are ALWAYS the last to know!
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Yeah, I work for a cell phone provider, and we get a launch email about a week before the phone launches. I usually know sooner because I am one of the testers for smart phones, but I don't even get all of them, and if I am not testing it I don't know anything until that email... plus, even as a tester, I only get about a 4 week heads up, which is about 2-3 months behind the management picking our phones.
Worst of all, when we do new promos/plans we get our launch info the day before and thus have about 18 hours to read and figure out the new promos, come up with a selling strategy and figure out what sort of customer it is right for.

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sounds like the cupcake rumor mill all over again...
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Did you read the comments? "I just talked to a t-mobile rep. he said he never heard of the update and there is no documents.
But he did tell me that there is an update coming and it is coming quickly"

Can't stand all the problems on the N1!

I am about to sell my nexus one and get a g1 again or a cliq, I can't stand my phone losing service so much, not sending text messages, and having to turn on and off just to get my service to work again, I thought this was a "super phone"!?!?
anyone else tired of the N1?

No. I don't have those problems. Maybe you can call tmobile about it and have them do a service test in your area.

are you rooted by any chance? If so, why not flash a new radio?

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No. I don't have those problems. Maybe you can call tmobile about it and have them do a service test in your area.
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^^^What this guy said.^^^
Nice first post, by the way.

definitly not having those problems
get in touch with tmobile and/or htc

Yes go to a Cliq and get more problems =P

kuchtaa said:
I am about to sell my nexus one and get a g1 again or a cliq, I can't stand my phone losing service so much, not sending text messages, and having to turn on and off just to get my service to work again, I thought this was a "super phone"!?!?
anyone else tired of the N1?
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It is the best phone available right now and most probably, will be for the next 6 months.... the problems u described is service related, so say "I'm going to switch my service provider" instead of "I'm going to switch my phone"
You're the first person who would be switching from N1 to G1 or Cliq .....

Yeah, it's an awful phone, I'll give $250 for it just to end your frustration.

Strange, I'm on a different network, in a different country, and I too suffer from data "freeze".
only way to fix is power cycle or airplane mode and back...

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It is the best phone available right now and most probably, will be for the next 6 months.... the problems u described is service related, so say "I'm going to switch my service provider" instead of "I'm going to switch my phone"
You're the first person who would be switching from N1 to G1 or Cliq .....
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This post is everything I wanted to say. Don't downgrade yourself to a lower phone because you are having lousy service provider issues - even though I love T-mobile, it may just not be for you. I do believe though you are trying to be a forum "troll".. (thread starter).

Well the SMS not sending (and having to reboot to fix) seems to be an issue with the OS from what I have been reading.

Meh.. I'm willing to bet that the op either needs to do a factory reset or exchange his phone if it's defective. Obviously his experience is far from typical.

Yeah I haven't had any of these issues, my N1 gets the same signal and speedtest results as my G1. If T-Mob is the problem in your area then a new phone likely wont resolve your problems, if you really think its the phone try a factory reset and see if you still have these issues or if an application you installed is causing them. If you really want to get a new phone go for it, but I think your experience will be less than stellar after using the N1. If you want to sell it let me know how much.

its kinda weird for me, I can receive all the MMS I want but my phone will not send anything MMS, via WIFI or EDGE (ATT). It all worked when I got my phone but since flashing different roms it has been reduced to only getting MMS.. APN's are correct also
any idea's?
-Charlie

Welcome to xda. Most are not having any of your issues (the Nexus Rocks). Where are u located & are u on tmob? stock rom? Provide more specifics & check out their existing threads.

its not that bad. I have a few little issues but I still love it.

trinode said:
Strange, I'm on a different network, in a different country, and I too suffer from data "freeze".
only way to fix is power cycle or airplane mode and back...
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It's the same for me, very annoying.
Will try a new radio, if that doesn't help...I guess the N1is gone

dont forget the ****ty touch screen >/

kuchtaa said:
I am about to sell my nexus one and get a g1 again or a cliq, I can't stand my phone losing service so much, not sending text messages, and having to turn on and off just to get my service to work again, I thought this was a "super phone"!?!?
anyone else tired of the N1?
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I sure as hell was. And you're right, until android is stable and dependable there's little about it that's super.
Keep in mind many of the issues can be fixed with software updates.
Other than the market, data, sms, browser, camera and ram issues, the others are relatively minor though admittedly abundant. I have issues daily but I stopped wanting the next iPhone (or older android version) when I stopped expecting my nexus to be as stable as Windows is on my desktop and laptop. I wanted the nexus to be a little computer which made all the shortcomings really frustrating.
But Google wants a large stake in the mobile operating system industry and the nexus is their chance to shine.
The nexus one has great hardware and its googles baby, it should receive the majority of androids attention.
So if you don't want to root the nexus, which was fun with the old g1 but now id like a phone I don't have to fix my self with weekly or even daily Rom updates (which i completely understand is an awesome and valuable option but I think those who root have very few issues and are largely intolerant of people who want fixes but don't want to root, like me : / ),
I understand that its bizarre that there are so many problems but don't jump ship, when Google finally starts addressing all of the issues you'll be satisfied. Think of this phone as beta, that's what i have learned to do, because it has enormous potential! So give it at least until Google gets an update out which really should be soon.

I don't get it.. I'm not rooted and I don't have any of these issues.. is my phone a factory freak or something?

8 days in...

and i'm not sure i'm keeping it.
Crashes/locks up once a day. Pulling the battery is the only cure.
Opera crashed and I had to delete and re-install twice.
It looks glorious. The screen and animation is really amazing.
But the functionality is getting to me. I screen lock, and somehow hear clicking in my pocket. The browsing is tedious. Facebook app sucks. No "like" option. Trying to read replies to status updates is terrible.
Mail is not how I like it. Can I delete a bunch of messages at once? I can't see how...
If I return it, I have no idea what I would get...N1? BB Bold 9700?
My iPhone 2G was slow, with no VV, GPS, or 3G but I miss it.
I REALLY wanna like this phone. I kinda do... But I only have 5 days left to decide if I'm sticking with it.
Disclaimer: this is my 1st WinMo phone. I have no idea how to fix stuff or mod it to my liking. XDA forums seem way over my head.
Joe

i was almost on the same boat as you until i found some nice replacements apps and mods from the open market. if your phone begins to lag be sure to check your task manager. secondly, download a maintenance app called "free ram" from the open market. i use both daily. i also reboot my phone at least once a day to prevent lag. (basically every morning). i thought this was normal for all smartphone users.
also, download the facebook replacement app from the open market. it'll update your current facebook app to view and make replies.
secondly, do the same for google from the open market. it will add pinch to zoom features as well as google buzz. the latest update i believe is version 4.0 or higher.
hope some of this helps..

Also, you can disable HTC Sense in the homescreen. I just did it and my phone is beginning to make me very happy. This thing is blazing fast now.

i would recommend getting a custom ROM, but if you're using the T-Mobile US 1024 version be careful. i have never experinced lock-ups whatsoever for the last 3 months ive been using my phone

Am I the only one here? My HD2 NEVER crashed, hanged locked... got it from more than one month and it works perfectly and I use it for work, internet, games, mail, sms, mms and other stuff...
I'm starting to think that all people around here that start crying saying the HD2 is buggy maybe are a bunch on "LUSERS" that cry to their system administrator at work because "my computer is broken"...
bah...
never had a single problem with my wonderfull HTC HD2

appoggio said:
Am I the only one here? My HD2 NEVER crashed, hanged locked... got it from more than one month and it works perfectly and I use it for work, internet, games, mail, sms, mms and other stuff...
I'm starting to think that all people around here that start crying saying the HD2 is buggy maybe are a bunch on "LUSERS" that cry to their system administrator at work because "my computer is broken"...
bah...
never had a single problem with my wonderfull HTC HD2
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good for you.

appoggio said:
Am I the only one here? My HD2 NEVER crashed, hanged locked... got it from more than one month and it works perfectly and I use it for work, internet, games, mail, sms, mms and other stuff...
I'm starting to think that all people around here that start crying saying the HD2 is buggy maybe are a bunch on "LUSERS" that cry to their system administrator at work because "my computer is broken"...
bah...
never had a single problem with my wonderfull HTC HD2
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Way to engender community spirit LOL. MMV, milage may vary. The phone has been out for about 6 months now (except TMobile US), multiple production runs, with various stock and custom ROMS and versions of software running on them. Users range from people who have used and tweaked Windows Mobile devices for years to ex iPhone Users to those who have never needed to do more than insert a SIM card. With great power comes great responsibility and these devices have great power. Some people report no problems, some people report great problems, but some people use it as a telephone, others use it as a laptop replacement. As a member of this community I like to think that I help support users with less experience than myself. Yes, it can get frustrating sometimes when people don't RTFM or search the forum's before posting. It's frustrating when you see someone slagging off HTC and the HD2 because they didn't bother looking at the specifications or read reviews before buying. It is also obvious however that 6 months ago the original HD2 was buggy but successive ROMS and hotfixes have resolved most of the issues (again, milage may vary). Unfortunately those users who bought the device with contracts and are locked into their service providers cannot always get access to the latest stock ROMS so are forced to use custom ROMS (which can be daunting to some people) or put up with the issues.
Good luck to those who have never had a problem with their phone. For those of you that do have issues, I am sure that members of this forum will continue to try and help respond to any questions you have. Just please read your manual and search the forum before posting, mention your ROM version and remember that this forum is made up of many cultures and humour does not always translate. What might seem like funny to one person mighty appeare arrogant and aggressive to others (again, milage may vary).
I thought this was going to be a short post when I started, sorry.

I have seen many problems listed here as I started coming down here (from Rhodium and Wizard forums) BEFORE I got my device. While I was waiting for it to delivered I had already downloaded custom rom, hot fixes, spl, etc. I am OCD and have RFD (rom flashing disorder), so I wanted to be prepared. People really should be better consumers and read.....lots.

appoggio said:
Am I the only one here? My HD2 NEVER crashed, hanged locked... got it from more than one month and it works perfectly and I use it for work, internet, games, mail, sms, mms and other stuff...
I'm starting to think that all people around here that start crying saying the HD2 is buggy maybe are a bunch on "LUSERS" that cry to their system administrator at work because "my computer is broken"...
bah...
never had a single problem with my wonderfull HTC HD2
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Me too, had it since November. Absolutely love it.

Thanks for the advice. I use the task manager every couple of hours to close out programs. listen, I wanna love it. I really do. But the freezes and slow downs are frustrating.
Yes, I'm an iPhone user, but I'm not helpless. I just don't know anything, yet, about Windows Mobile. The HD2 hardware and HTC Sense attracted me to this phone.
Open Market? Is that different from the MARKETPLACE on my phone?
As far as deleting all mail, this is the 2nd instance where there were other options below the screen when selecting MENU. I just didn't scroll down...rookie mistake.
Thanks again. I'll keep at it with your suggestions.
Much appreciation for the constructive help here.

jdzialak said:
Thanks for the advice. I use the task manager every couple of hours to close out programs. listen, I wanna love it. I really do. But the freezes and slow downs are frustrating.
Yes, I'm an iPhone user, but I'm not helpless. I just don't know anything, yet, about Windows Mobile. The HD2 hardware and HTC Sense attracted me to this phone.
Open Market? Is that different from the MARKETPLACE on my phone?
As far as deleting all mail, this is the 2nd instance where there were other options below the screen when selecting MENU. I just didn't scroll down...rookie mistake.
Thanks again. I'll keep at it with your suggestions.
Much appreciation for the constructive help here.
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Hi, Open Market is indeed different from Marketplace. It's an app (OMarket) for the http://www.freewarepocketpc.net site.
Regards.

If you can't get along with your HD2, get an HTC Desire (Nexus One). Almost the same as the HD2 hardware-wise, but much better software.
You get lots of *good* apps, like on your iPhone and you won't get all the lock ups and bugs.
(I know, there are lots of apps for WM as ell, but as has been said, they mostly suck, when compared to their iPhone/Android counterparts).
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and i'm not sure i'm keeping it.
Crashes/locks up once a day. Pulling the battery is the only cure.
Opera crashed and I had to delete and re-install twice.
It looks glorious. The screen and animation is really amazing.
But the functionality is getting to me. I screen lock, and somehow hear clicking in my pocket. The browsing is tedious. Facebook app sucks. No "like" option. Trying to read replies to status updates is terrible.
Mail is not how I like it. Can I delete a bunch of messages at once? I can't see how...
If I return it, I have no idea what I would get...N1? BB Bold 9700?
My iPhone 2G was slow, with no VV, GPS, or 3G but I miss it.
I REALLY wanna like this phone. I kinda do... But I only have 5 days left to decide if I'm sticking with it.
Disclaimer: this is my 1st WinMo phone. I have no idea how to fix stuff or mod it to my liking. XDA forums seem way over my head.
Joe
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C:Sharp! said:
If you can't get along with your HD2, get an HTC Desire (Nexus One).
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Just in case there is any confusion, the Nexus One and HTC Desire are not the same phone. The Nexus One is apparently nearly half a milimeter thinner than the Desire Slashgear has a comparison of both devices here: http://www.slashgear.com/htc-desire-vs-google-nexus-one-2074966/.

Mass complaint to sprint

Hi,
I am one of the stupid guys that upgraded to 2.1. got my phone 2 days ago, so didn't know about anything. i think we should write in their forum or costumer support or something to complain about the crappy update, and i am sure they will find a way for everybody to downgrade. i called c/s they said that there is no way to downgrade and i should call htc. i am sure that if everyone went to the sprint stores and complained about all the stuff that is wrong they would have to deal with a lot of people which they probably don't want to do, so i am sure they will find a solution

iliapiano said:
Hi,
I am one of the stupid guys that upgraded to 2.1. got my phone 2 days ago, so didn't know about anything. i think we should write in their forum or costumer support or something to complain about the crappy update, and i am sure they will find a way for everybody to downgrade. i called c/s they said that there is no way to downgrade and i should call htc. i am sure that if everyone went to the sprint stores and complained about all the stuff that is wrong they would have to deal with a lot of people which they probably don't want to do, so i am sure they will find a solution
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what? i updated to the ruu 2.1, and my phone is fine? what are you going on about?

iliapiano said:
Hi,
I am one of the stupid guys that upgraded to 2.1. got my phone 2 days ago, so didn't know about anything. i think we should write in their forum or costumer support or something to complain about the crappy update, and i am sure they will find a way for everybody to downgrade. i called c/s they said that there is no way to downgrade and i should call htc. i am sure that if everyone went to the sprint stores and complained about all the stuff that is wrong they would have to deal with a lot of people which they probably don't want to do, so i am sure they will find a solution
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What problems are you having??? My wife upgraded from stock 1.5 to stock 2.1 without any issues.......

runsoverfrogs said:
what? i updated to the ruu 2.1, and my phone is fine? what are you going on about?
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I believe he RUUd and wants to root and install custom roms. Therefore he wants everyone to complain about problems that dont exist so we can downgrade to 1.5 and root again. Problem is Sprint will not do this cause it will be a lot of work to do something that does not benefit them at all. Besides they took more flack from users wanting 2.1 that they wont be effected by the small amount of users that want to downgrade.

Sounds like the OP is just mad that they didn't research before updating their two-day old device.
Here's what I get from the original post:
Hi,
I am one of the stupid guys that upgraded to 2.1. got my phone 2 days ago, so didn't know about anything. i think we should write in their forum or costumer support or something to complain about the crappy update, and i am sure they will find a way for everybody to downgrade. i called c/s they said that there is no way to downgrade and i should call htc. i am sure that if everyone went to the sprint stores and complained about all the stuff that is wrong they would have to deal with a lot of people which they probably don't want to do, so i am sure they will find a solution
Edited for brevity:
"Hi,
I am one of the stupid guys, got my phone 2 days ago, didn't know anything. i think we should complain about the update, i am sure there is no way to downgrade and i should deal with no solution."

Jye75 said:
Sounds like the OP is just mad that they didn't research before updating their two-day old device.
Here's what I get from the original post:
Hi,
I am one of the stupid guys that upgraded to 2.1. got my phone 2 days ago, so didn't know about anything. i think we should write in their forum or costumer support or something to complain about the crappy update, and i am sure they will find a way for everybody to downgrade. i called c/s they said that there is no way to downgrade and i should call htc. i am sure that if everyone went to the sprint stores and complained about all the stuff that is wrong they would have to deal with a lot of people which they probably don't want to do, so i am sure they will find a solution
Edited for brevity:
"Hi,
I am one of the stupid guys, got my phone 2 days ago, didn't know anything. i think we should complain about the update, i am sure there is no way to downgrade and i should deal with no solution."
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Another one who just blindly downloads and flashed without research......Will they ever learn???

OMG, this is so tempting. But I'm excercising self restrain by posting only the following...
LOL!!!

OP, the best thing you can do for now is just wait for root to happen for ya

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iliapiano said:
Hi,
I am one of the stupid guys that upgraded to 2.1. got my phone 2 days ago, so didn't know about anything. i think we should write in their forum or costumer support or something to complain about the crappy update, and i am sure they will find a way for everybody to downgrade. i called c/s they said that there is no way to downgrade and i should call htc. i am sure that if everyone went to the sprint stores and complained about all the stuff that is wrong they would have to deal with a lot of people which they probably don't want to do, so i am sure they will find a solution
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There's nothing wrong the official 2.1 update, As far as Ive seen, its Fast, Works great, Its Android, Go back to a dumb phone, Your issues will be solved
LMAO

Hi, I work for Sprint, account services to be specific. Give us a call, well take care of you.

I want to cry about something

Kcarpenter said:
I want to cry about something
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If you dont get back to work you'll be able to cry about being unemployed!!
hahaha

nebenezer said:
If you dont get back to work you'll be able to cry about being unemployed!!
hahaha
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I KNOW IT! THIS PLAY HAS RUINED ME!

You ever just felt... alone?

Kcarpenter said:
I want to cry about something
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You could always cry about your wife's apparent lack of sex-drive (though, I secretly theorize that this has more to do with your strangely miscolored wenis than anything....)

tejasrichard said:
You could always cry about your wife's apparent lack of sex-drive (though, I secretly theorize that this has more to do with your strangely miscolored wenis than anything....)
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It will be made up for tonight, I have already had confirmation of that I love picture messages.

Kcarpenter said:
It will be made up for tonight, I have already had confirmation of that I love picture messages.
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HAHAHA
(imaginary high-five)

HLOL, lemme guess...was it a pic of a fifth of vodka, some handcuffs, and a handfull of rohypnal?
EDIT:OH NO, Nebs! You didn't tape arms to your monitor, too, did you?
Edit2: oops. Just remembered that we're not in off-topic. Sorry. As you were.

to the OP. what seems to be the problem? do you speak English if so elaborate.the original 2.1 is probably just as good as the 2.1 cooked roms are. for a "play toy" android and the hero are fun. as far as getting work done they are worthless even winmo is better for business. part of this is sprints ****ty call lag.. the BT stack is a joke... whats are your problems those are but a few of mine.