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Windows Mobile 6.1 on T-Mobile G1

Hi all,
I've a really silly question: Is it possible to install Windows Mobile on T-Mobile G1 Phone?
Kind regards,
Heinz Kohls

Before some of the "think they are better then the world" people come on here and post to you in a rude manner, search. Its your friend and will answer most questions you have about the phone, if by chance you dont find your answer, then its ok to post asking about it.
While I see a lot of people on these boards helping people, I also see people that forget they were once an idiot as well.. its not the amount of posts you have, its not really even what you do for the community.. its equally important how you choose to interact with other, equal members.
So again, use the search feature on the forums. You will find what you seek.

Thanks, but I am not worked up over anything. No need to relax, I simply posted to him in a civil manner and told him to search for it, its best to point out how to do something for yourself, then to have the info given to you. In the future if he wants/needs more info he now knows how to find it.
I see your in NC, I am assuming thats Wlimington NC? I am in Raleigh myself.

I don't get it...
Why is it of such interest to put WinMo on the G1 in the first place?
Why not just get a Wing or Fuze or something? The G1 is unique because of Android. If it came with WinMo 6.1 do you think that it would sell as well as the other phones out there that do? I would honestly be more interested in putting Android on my Wing then WinMo on my G1 and I don't even know Linux! But that's just me.

Actually, I'd say the equivalent to the G1 with WinMo would be the HTC Touch Pro. For the G2, it'd be the Touch Diamond.

The interest is in the hardware. The G1 is 3G compatible and has built-in GPS (kinda) To top it off, it's CHEAP (but that price is from the Google subsidy.)
I haven't kept up with what tmo is offering lately, but when it was released, the G1 was the only tmo phone that had those, and it's been a wish for the diehard WM fans to have it on the G1 since it was released.
I'd say "don't worry." There will be spiffier, new, WM phones that have what you need.

beartard said:
The interest is in the hardware. The G1 is 3G compatible and has built-in GPS (kinda) To top it off, it's CHEAP (but that price is from the Google subsidy.)
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Good points, T-Mobile's selection hasn't been that great recently. Hopefully they will get the Touch Pro2.
P.S. The G1 has full GPS, don't know what you mean by "kinda".

Well it might never be made to run natively but this looks promising:-
http://www.androidauthority.com/ind...s-ce-and-android-on-a-phone-at-the-same-time/
and some info from the actual developers:-
http://www.vmware.com/technology/mobile/
Looks like its going to be offered to handset manufacturers only but im sure it won't be long til someone "acquires" a copy from somewhere!
OSX on G1 anyone? lol

Binary100100 said:
Why is it of such interest to put WinMo on the G1 in the first place?
Why not just get a Wing or Fuze or something? The G1 is unique because of Android. If it came with WinMo 6.1 do you think that it would sell as well as the other phones out there that do? I would honestly be more interested in putting Android on my Wing then WinMo on my G1 and I don't even know Linux! But that's just me.
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its quite simple why, (for me it is)
i would not want to run only windows mobile on my g1, but android simultaniously with wm.
why cause i travel allot, i need a good gps device with no data fees. like a dedicated gps software but built in to my phone, so i do not need to take all the hardware with me everry time i go away.
i am from belgium and its quite expensive for mobile internet over here.
we dont even have an unlimited data plan for fixed internet, so forget mobile.
the roaming charges are also quite expensive, i would love a good gps software for the g1.
for me now this is the main reason why would do this.
if you have an alternatif, that would be good for me.

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P.S. The G1 has full GPS, don't know what you mean by "kinda".
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I said "kinda" because I've been let down in a pinch more than once by the insane warmup time for the G1's GPS. I never had trouble with an external, bluetooth GPS receiver on a Dash, for example.

want to come over to the HTC world from Blackberry...but..

i was wondering who in here has come over to this phone from a blackberry.
likes? dislikes?
i have been reading some on here about the "lag" with the HTC HD2. is this true? all the reviews i read say nothing about it. and i do not like a laggy phone. and disabling Sense makes no "sense" to me...
also, is there alot of customizations that can be done? how about updates? are they common like on a blackberry? will win7 mobile be able to be run on this? hows the battery life compared to the iphone? (that is why i dont have an iphone any more, i cant stand the battery life)
i LOVe the looks of that phone...
Thanks all!

I jummped the Blackberry ship for the HD2 last week.
I wont be able to answer ALL your questions 100%, but I will be able to help.
Lag, If you use your task manager and close the unused programs, then you *shouldnt* have any lag. I am still using the stock phone settings from T-Mo. and I am not seeing any lag at all just by closing the app/programs this way.
Customizing, The phone is still new, and the devs here are working hard to push out new stuff all the time. But the phone is VERY customisable. If your comfy working with DLL and CAB files you can change the layout/colors/buttons/exctra of the dif screanes and apps.
WP7, As of right now.. No. But the devs here are working on it, as well as the Droid os.
While Blackberry has updates offten, it still upto the provider to push em out to the end users, and T-Mo, is the worst at doing so. But you can get all the updates/mods/apps from the devs here.
Batterie life can be awesome, or it can be the bane of your phone. lol. If you keep task manager clean, the batterie will last for wat feels like for ever. I ran both of the Transformer movies from start to credits, played on the internet a bit, and made a few calls, and still had a lot of bat strength left. but if you run a lot of apps in the back ground, and dont keep your task manager clean, you will charge your phone 2x a days.
Over all im loving this phone. I have a ton to learn about it still, but it is a great phone.
My $.02
Wolfee

Thank you so much for your reply. that helped alot.
i just sold 2 of my BB's, so i am looking now at buying one i cant wait

I have to say with my blackberry experience with the one I carry around for work, a Nextel 8350i. being the network admin for the company I work for, and I also work with the BES server software. they can get pretty laggy as well at times. especially when there is alot of background data transfer going on to the BES server.
In the end i prefer my HD2 to blackberry. I consider the BB a good platform for someone who wants something that just works, and arent very technically minded like the people I work with. I can already imagine the issues Id run into trying to introduce the WinMo platform there.
WinMo is good for technical users that like to tweak and customize and can live with or work around the occasional bug, and are able to figure things out for themselves or with the help of a support forum like this
I would never recommend WinMo for someone that requires hand holding with anything technical/computer related. it just becomes too much of a hassle and waste of time for me having to support them.

great post...that makes me feel better to. i feel the same way, i have owned alot of blackberrys and they do lag alot more.
and i am one who LOVES to tinker with things..so i am thinking i might like this better...are there ways to recover if you play TO much and brick your phone?
also i cant seem to find any screen shots of what the sms inbox looks like? was wondering. is it threaded messages?

IF you successfully install HSPL, the chances of really "bricking" your HD2 are pretty low. The worst thing you can do "brick" a TMOUS HD2 is to flash an incompatible Radio (one with ...51... in the identifier string). As long as you stay with T-Mobile compatible Radios/ROMs, you should be fine.

dvigue said:
great post...that makes me feel better to. i feel the same way, i have owned alot of blackberrys and they do lag alot more.
and i am one who LOVES to tinker with things..so i am thinking i might like this better...are there ways to recover if you play TO much and brick your phone?
also i cant seem to find any screen shots of what the sms inbox looks like? was wondering. is it threaded messages?
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Yeah, it has threaded sms messages. And there are almost always ways to recover your phone from bricking it, unless you flash the wrong radio, like he said in the post above. Just don't flash ones with .51 in them and your fine. Odds are you won't even need to flash your radio, so it's nothing to worry about. Good luck with your new HD2. Its the most versatile, powerful phone when you learn to use it well.

Yeah, I was a fellow BlackBerry user. I've had 2 in past... and my most recent device was the BlackBerry 9700.
I certainly miss the days where I'd manage to squeeze 70 hours out of a single charge cycle.
But nevertheless, I am absolutely in love with the HD2. Plus, I've owned countless HTC products, and I'm always left satisfied and smiling...
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
(I couldn't help myself...)

i JUST got it! walmart had one left and i had a gift certificate. omg i love it alreay, and i have not even started to play with it. Guys i need your help...
what do i do first? updates? how do i know what updates to do? are there any tutorials in here i can read about noobs? i want to make sure mine is up to date for sure...but so far i love it. what a nice screen and feel...
LOVE IT!

I just upgraded from a Blackberry curve, and from an IT professional's standpoint, I love this phone. The ability to tinker, the software community here, multimedia capabilities, and the tools built in (wifi access point, slacker, etc.) are a welcome breath of fresh air to having a smart phone.

i have been looking and reading, but im getting a little confused. where do i go to find any updates for my phone? i cant seem to find any on the HTC website?

dvigue said:
i have been looking and reading, but im getting a little confused. where do i go to find any updates for my phone? i cant seem to find any on the HTC website?
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Try this:
http://www.htc.com/europe/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=297&act=sd&cat=all
But, I am not sure whether they are for EU or US versions.
EDIT: Just realized the link is for the EU version...here is the link for the US version....no updates ATM but keep an eye out
http://www.htc.com/us/support/t-mobile-hd2/downloads/

oh ok, that is what i wondered...so there are NO updates for the tmobile version? is that becasue i already have a newer ROM with all those updates on it? my rom is Dated 2/22/10 and is version 2.10.531.1 (82076) WWe
is this because the tmobile version just came out?

dvigue said:
oh ok, that is what i wondered...so there are NO updates for the tmobile version? is that becasue i already have a newer ROM with all those updates on it? my rom is Dated 2/22/10 and is version 2.10.531.1 (82076) WWe
is this because the tmobile version just came out?
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For this to be a smooth transition you must realize this is a completely different experience. There will not be a lot, if any, official updates. What there will be is unofficial/leaked updates that are implemented in custom (cooked) roms. Some of these will be leaked from Microsoft and some will be released from HTC but TMobile USA will most likely not leak any. Don't panic though, because this is why we love XDA Devs so much.
You will need to read MSkips tutorial on flashing HardSPL. HSPL will allow you to flash these custom roms and a few other things. These custom roms will often be cutting edge so read which ones you really want because some will simply be going for speed, others looks and others stability. There are some great cooks around here who actually combine all three.
I write this because you are already panicking on a lack of updates. That's just not how it works here so you have to let it go. You don't find the same OS version on every model like in BlackBerry or Iphone over here. Older models are having roms cooked for them that include what only the new ones have out the box because many of the older phones here don't have the memory or are simply out of the loop for the carrier and HTC. My 8525 was like that. I'm just explaining so you understand the landscape better.
The best way to succeed here is to search and ask questions once you can't find the answers. Most of the stuff you have questions about has been asked and answered before (most but not all). Make sure to read in this forum and the other HD2 forum because the phones aren't that different. If you have a question or concern about a specific program or rom make sure you ask the question in that thread and not create a new thread.
Welcome to WinMo and XDA Devs. Also our TMo USA HD2's do have the latest official updates.

Hope your htc hd2 blows up! The starter of this thread is a joke! He bothers me for two days texting me as early as 5am saying he wants the phone please dont sell, as he's waiting for the money. We make a deal after going back and fourth on text messages. He tells me a few hours later he's not buying because he bought it locally at walmart. WHAT A PATHETIC JERK!! I ^&%^ wasted my time taking pix to send him just for him to take this whole thing as a JOKE! I lost out on another potential deal because this idiot agreed on buying it. BE AWARE of this LOSER!!!

addicus said:
For this to be a smooth transition you must realize this is a completely different experience. There will not be a lot, if any, official updates. What there will be is unofficial/leaked updates that are implemented in custom (cooked) roms. Some of these will be leaked from Microsoft and some will be released from HTC but TMobile USA will most likely not leak any. Don't panic though, because this is why we love XDA Devs so much.
You will need to read MSkips tutorial on flashing HardSPL. HSPL will allow you to flash these custom roms and a few other things. These custom roms will often be cutting edge so read which ones you really want because some will simply be going for speed, others looks and others stability. There are some great cooks around here who actually combine all three.
I write this because you are already panicking on a lack of updates. That's just not how it works here so you have to let it go. You don't find the same OS version on every model like in BlackBerry or Iphone over here. Older models are having roms cooked for them that include what only the new ones have out the box because many of the older phones here don't have the memory or are simply out of the loop for the carrier and HTC. My 8525 was like that. I'm just explaining so you understand the landscape better.
The best way to succeed here is to search and ask questions once you can't find the answers. Most of the stuff you have questions about has been asked and answered before (most but not all). Make sure to read in this forum and the other HD2 forum because the phones aren't that different. If you have a question or concern about a specific program or rom make sure you ask the question in that thread and not create a new thread.
Welcome to WinMo and XDA Devs. Also our TMo USA HD2's do have the latest official updates.
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Great info....i really enjoyed your post...I cant wait to strart learning more and more about this phone. I really lucked out. My local walmart had only 1 left, and i had a gift card so i got it at a good price. I have had the iphone and this is so much better....i cant wait to start to customize it...
Thanks gang!

jain75 said:
Hope your htc hd2 blows up! The starter of this thread is a joke! He bothers me for two days texting me as early as 5am saying he wants the phone please dont sell, as he's waiting for the money. We make a deal after going back and fourth on text messages. He tells me a few hours later he's not buying because he bought it locally at walmart. WHAT A PATHETIC JERK!! I ^&%^ wasted my time taking pix to send him just for him to take this whole thing as a JOKE! I lost out on another potential deal because this idiot agreed on buying it. BE AWARE of this LOSER!!!
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I really don't know what to say about this. Did I talk with him about buying his phone yes, did we talk back and fourth all day about it? yes. Isn't that what craigslist is all about? bartering, making deals etc? it was at the last moment when i found out a local walmart had one HD2 left at the same price he was selling it at, and i had a gift card so it was even cheaper, and it was 5 min from my house (for returns etc) so that is why i backed out. I am in no way a "scammer" because of this. sorry, im not.
I apologized multiple times, and he wont accept, so there is no more that I can do. I even tried a few contacts to see if they would buy it from him. I cant do any more...
on a positive, Jain75 was Very good with communication, and answered all my questions i had about the sale. he did take multiple pictures for me like i had asked. I had asked for all of that, because i was sending someone 450 dollars whom i did not know, so i wanted all the proof that the phone was legit that i could get. and he did give that all to me.
again, i feel really bad, but what else can i do? i have had MANY MANY people say "yeah ill buy that, let me get back to you" and i never hear back. at least i told him the truth,....

I just recently came over from a blackberry storm 2 to hd2 April 1. Let me say that the HD2 is a totally different experience from blackberry. I loved how the blackberry managed my business OTOH it sucked for pleasure. With the HD2 you get both business and pleasure.
HTC blows blackberry out of the water to me, at least this hd2 does. By that I mean large screen, plenty of themes, apps, etc. Not the same old tired interface as blackberry. It has NO LAG WHATSOEVER. This phone has all my needs met and more.
Only thing about windows is you have to find roms,apps, etc instead of it being in a central location.
I will be using this phone for awhile, t-mobile is crappy in my area so I unlocked to at&t.

I carry a BB Tour and a HD2 right now.
The only two things I like about the BB over the HD2 are the battery life of the BB and the keyboard. I HATE the HD2 on screen keyboard. Even swipe blows.
But if you are anything like me, it's all about the Apps (quality Apps, that is). The HD2 is my media phone, hands down (better than my iPhone). The BB is the work horse and back up music player.

HotShotAzn said:
I carry a BB Tour and a HD2 right now.
The only two things I like about the BB over the HD2 are the battery life of the BB and the keyboard. I HATE the HD2 on screen keyboard. Even swipe blows.
But if you are anything like me, it's all about the Apps (quality Apps, that is). The HD2 is my media phone, hands down (better than my iPhone). The BB is the work horse and back up music player.
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I hate the onscreen keyboard too lol. I have been trying to find another input keyboard that somewhat resembles blackberry.
Actually this HD2 can do it all. Give it a try. I use it for my business and media. I plug my phone up to my car everyday for media and it charges it as well.

Why Android???

Honestly!...
Why should I flash "googles" Android into my Bad Ass HD2???
No Joke! I need to know what all the fuss is about...

Why you ask? Well for a number of reasons. A search will tell you all of that as im sure this question has been asked over and over lol.

If you need to ask...
Seriously, why don't you just try it? You're not flashing anything. You won't lose any of your current information. I was enjoying the hacked versions of WinMo on my HD2, but now with Android I don't feel I need to ever go back.

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If you need to ask...
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This.
If you need to ask you don't belong in this forum section. Please go back to WinMo.

If you need to ask you don't belong in this forum section. Please go back to WinMo.[/QUOTE]
lol

Let's be nice. Android is pretty limitless many things can be added. Winmo is sorta outdated. Right now winmo has a lot of community support but that's just not enough. Try it . Dont expect anything and see what you get.
Biggest problem I see is winmo users go into android expecting the same experience.
sent from my hd2.

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Funny one
topic: some things are better with android, some arent. I think the interesting fact is to chose the operating system YOU want to use.
You can compare it with the operating system situation on your PC. Some people want to use Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, MacOSX,.....

I think it's a perfectly legitimate question: Not everyone has the love of digital adventures, tweaking or driving someone with more knowledge up the wall we do.
Why not just say what you like about Android? Unless you're not sure....well?
I enjoy reconfiguring my phone. I must have flashed custom WinMo ROM's a hundred times and radios tens of times. Configuring script to put my applications back the way they were, testing the build for smooth operation, stability and features had been a thrill of mine...my hobby, I guess you'd say, since the HD stemming from late 2008.
Android just kind of picks up where Winmo left off. I'm using Elegancia ROM and have been for months. It works great with the Android offerings.
Is Android better? If that's your question, then in my opinion, WinMo is better than Android on the HD2 as of this writing, by Android on this device is catching up incredibly fast.
Maybe you'll like it, maybe not. If your interested enough to chance getting flamed, then you are most likely a candidate to give it a go.

3 simple reasons
1. faster internet browsing
-android have simply a faster browsing experience for me, faster than opera on wm anyday
2. market
-the abundance of customization and application in the android market vs the wm store is like comparing a walmart to a gas convience store for choice of app and avaibility of apps
3. utility
-android simply utilize our screen and hardware much more efficently than windows. try the foursquare app on windows, and then try the foursquare app on android, it's like comparing a dirt road to a 5 lane highway in terms of usability and speed

audscott said:
I think it's a perfectly legitimate question: Not everyone has the love of digital adventures, tweaking or driving someone with more knowledge up the wall we do.
Why not just say what you like about Android? Unless you're not sure....well?
I enjoy reconfiguring my phone. I must have flashed custom WinMo ROM's a hundred times and radios tens of times. Configuring script to put my applications back the way they were, testing the build for smooth operation, stability and features had been a thrill of mine...my hobby, I guess you'd say, since the HD stemming from late 2008.
Android just kind of picks up where Winmo left off. I'm using Elegancia ROM and have been for months. It works great with the Android offerings.
Is Android better? If that's your question, then in my opinion, WinMo is better than Android on the HD2 as of this writing, by Android on this device is catching up incredibly fast.
Maybe you'll like it, maybe not. If your interested enough to chance getting flamed, then you are most likely a candidate to give it a go.
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perfectly put but still deserved a flame or two lol

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This.
If you need to ask you don't belong in this forum section. Please go back to WinMo.
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LMAO
To the OP: Exactly what everyone else said (apart from infiniteecho)
Try it and see. Nothing to lose except maybe half an hour of your time.
As said above its 'hoarses for coarses'. I wasnt expecting much from Android because Minmo did everything I needed +more, plus it looked ok visually IMHO using CHT etc.
But android just feels slicker somehow...plus I'm not yet missing any of the features that I thought I really loved in winmo. Just the fact of having a good Market is a BIG plus for some people (myself now included although I always thought I'd never care for thousands of mainly pointless apps )....Android is generally a LOT more finger friendly than any 6.5.x build..... the list goes on.
Personally I am becoming a convert FAST. I will almost deffinately switch soley to Android when a proper android rom is released.
Dual booting is great and its always nice to have the option of two O/S's, but I find myself wanting to see Winmo less and less everytime I wake my new Android phone from its beuty sleep I just dont love Winmo like I used too lol.
But the only way you will ever really know is if you try it for yourself go on you (probably) wont be dissapointed.

WinMo stock = sack of **** on the HD2, you have to hack and slash away until you eventually get something that works. Then, and only then can you continue to play around with it.
Android, out of the box it works, and your free to play around with it and make it your own. If it wasn't for Android my HD2 would have be sold.
The touch screen and general Windows Mobile performance just pissed me off, you could triple the power of the HD2 and you still wouldn't get a smooth, slick experience.
Phil

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perfectly put but still deserved a flame or two lol
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LOL,
hmmm... yeah true it was flameworthy I suppose

NATIVE FULL ADOBE FLASH 10.1! Only available in Android.

memin1857 said:
NATIVE FULL ADOBE FLASH 10.1! Only available in Android.
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Reason enough for anyone imo.

lonelykatana said:
Reason enough for anyone imo.
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1+ on this one!

Thousands of apps straight from the marketplace, as opposed to a few hundred you have to get off the internet.
Oh, and flash.
Android is so good, why the hell did htc ship the hd2 with winmo?
Also hats off to the devs for making this possible, to use android on the best phone out there!

Good One.
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If you need to ask you don't belong in this forum section. Please go back to WinMo.
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Please go back to WinMo...too funny.

i like android because of the limitless apps, you'll never need for anything again for a phone. the market was the main reason for me because most apps are free, now google maps include free navigation! windows mobile who? lol plus even with android being ported to our hd2 it out performs windows mobile, less freezes and errors. programmed to work better! internet browsing, smoother and faster. once u learn all the features and how to use widgets u will like wmo less and less. i never seen myself becoming a fan of android when i was solely against it when i had touch pro 2

Me??? Because WinMo is Sh*t. If I couldn't have loaded Android on this HD2... it would have been on Craigslist an hour after I got it.
Unless of course bloated, clunky, slow, crashing, lack luster garbage is someone's thing... l would advice them to stay away from Android.
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Windows 6.5.X ROM ?

the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!

Have you ever thought of searching it?

eazy2001x said:
the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
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So you want to downgrade the Epic by installing WM6.5 on it? Just wait until the 7 Pro comes out, for the sake of sanity..please?

eazy2001x said:
the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
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SWITCH, you won't regret it

amosher13 said:
SWITCH, you won't regret it
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x2, there are several WM converts on here that can assist you if you are looking for specific functions..Android has everything, just about.

mekeke said:
Have you ever thought of searching it?
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Yes i did..
scriz said:
So you want to downgrade the Epic by installing WM6.5 on it? Just wait until the 7 Pro comes out, for the sake of sanity..please?
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I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(

I switched from a TP2, and if you search my name you can see how I went from all WM to several Android phones, and I went back in the Rhodium forums and had discussions about WP7, WM6.5, and Android compared.
I had no intention of switching. I had no interest in WP7. I loaded Android ROMS onto my Rhodium for fun. In our discussions I decided all hardcore WM fans shoudl naturally migrate to Android. The reason is because WP7 is not the XDA Windows that WM was. However Android is. It is like WM in that you can customize everything. It is unlike it only in the fact that we customize here more out of fun than need, because Android is way more inherantly stable. However everything from the dialer, to the lockscreen, to the homescreen, is natively customizable. You just download, install, and hit the 'default' check.
I would suggest you load an Android rom on your Rhodium and check it out.
BTW... I ended up with an Epic 4g bc it was most similar to the Rhodium, however HTC has done amazing work with Sense on Android. It's not a cover on Android, its its own system.

eazy2001x said:
Yes i did..
I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(
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After making the switch to Android from the TP2, holy crap is WinMo garbage. Android is so much ridiculously better.

eazy2001x said:
I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(
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Why so resistant to change? Do you miss the days of the telegraph? Do you wish you could drive a Model T? Flawed logic and resistance to advancement and change is just ludicrous. You may have liked WinMo 6.5, but it's a dead OS. Either go Android, WP7, or just get a plain non-smartphone ffs.

It's easy to find the ROM.
The real question is how are you going to install with your Windows 3.1 computer?

So the answer to my question is?? There is no WM 6.5.X rom?

no. there is not.

Hey, don't be so tough on the guy. I can see where he's coming from...
I was a Windows mobile guy myself (going back before it was put on a phone), and it wasn't easy to just give it up. What got me to switch... was playing with Android before even thinking of making a purchase.
I played around with the Android SDK Virtual for a few days (which I quickly realized was gimped until you start adding the Market and all the apps), but even with just the very basic shell, it was completely functional - moreso than WM.
So, my suggestion is to play with Virtual machine on your PC, or find a friend who will let you fiddle around with their phone. I'm pretty sure you will quickly change your mind.

I had to read this thread. My first thought when I saw the title was that it was a joke. I had come to the conclusion that I would keep my TP2 forever with the Energy roms on it... now it's a whole new world out there and I'm looking forward to all the developers here providing all the "play with" fun I can handle and not just making my phone work. The Epic is wonderful hardware...why hold it back?

Wait.. this was a serious post?.. dude trust me i came from a touch pro 2.. i flashed pretty much every single rom that was made for it an none of them come close to being as good as the epic stock.. i hve no doubt in my min you wont regret the switch
Tapatalkin' it from my EPIC 4g

eazy2001x said:
the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
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While we are asking silly questions, is there anyone that can port a Rom of Windows Me for the Epic, so I can take a great OS and replace it for a giant steaming pile of crap.

There isn't one, and I don't think it's going to happen.
Windows Mobile is just dead. Microsoft killed it when they decided to ditch it for WP7.
It may be possible someone can get WP7 to run WM programs in some of compatibility layer similar to wine for unix. Of course in that same token, ARM is ARM, it should be similarly possible to get WM running in a virtual machine on Android, but a lot less likely. Mostly because, even though WP7 isn't WM, it is in fact still running on Windows CE.
So hypothetically it could be as simple as copying over some dll's from WM. It'll probably be a lot harder than that, and quite possibly too hard for the dev community that's left clinging to WM.
Unlike some people here, I have a lot of respect for your position. WM is an OS written for a handheld computer that had a phone added to it as an afterthought. I liked this, because I used it on PDA's before that. I even remember telling people, "one day your PDA, cell phone, and music player will all be the same thing".
While I'm just being silly, I tell you what I'd really like to see, and that's a netbook with a "snap in" (a piece of hardware) handset. We're already carrying around 5" devices, let's go on up to a netbook size, but have the phone part detachable. At this point I almost feel silly carrying around a laptop AND a smartphone, because there's so much redundancy. I'll just put the netbook in a manpurse and be done with it.
So anyway, back on topic, no there's not a WM ROM for the Epic, and I seriously doubt there will ever be. The reason simply boils down to drivers. There won't ever been any drivers written for Galaxy S hardware for WM, and writing drivers is really tough stuff. There probably aren't even that many people who know how to write WM drivers from scratch, let alone in the dev community. And it would take so many man hours you'd really need a team to do it before the hardware reached obsolescence.
You really have three options at this point. The first is to wean yourself off WM. Android really, really is linux running on a phone, with a pretty GUI. The GUI is so good that, until you really dig down into it, it's hard to realize that. Think about what you like about WM, and then see if you can get the same functionality out of Android. Almost everyone does if they give it an honest try.
The second is to see what Microsoft is going to offer you in terms of continued support for WM. There's some talk about them separating consumer mobile Windows (WP7S) from business mobile Windows. Motorola did the ES400, and more might follow. But that could be a tougher pill to swallow than swapping platforms. (More info here.)
The third is rely on the dev community to get virtualization or a compatibility layer for WP7 going, and hopefully mod the UI.
That's really it. I wish you the best. I decided like a lot of people here to swithch to Android, and I haven't regretted it one bit. The Epic is an amazing device. There's an Android learning curve, but it's really not that bad.

thank you for your reply.. Ill just wait it out for the next big thing like the TP3 and hope that it comes out W/O Win7. also thank you to anyone who gave me a simple answer to my question.. "NO"..

eazy2001x said:
Ill just wait it out for the next big thing like the TP3 and hope that it comes out W/O Win7.
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Never buying a new phone again eh?

I just stumbled on this thread... HA. I came from the mogul->tp->tp2 and I am so glad I am rid of windows mobile. My wife has my old tp2, and I hate working on it now. Roms w/ android are just better all around.
Anything wimo can do android can do better.

Hugely Disappointed in the HD2 - Finally Selling It

after selling my iphone, i've had this hd2 for 3 months. i customized it as much as possible. i thought i was getting the best phone in the world - i was dead wrong. the hd2 falls WAY short of my expectations. for one, the battery is horrible - lasts 1 day with some use. on the iphone, my batt lasted 2 days with lots of use.
another issue was scrolling, like scrolling through tons of albums. the albums would have to refresh as you scrolled - very slow. on the iphone, the ablums appeared as fast as you scroll. and the menu and typing was not as responsive as the iphone.
but what clinched it for me was the lack of important apps. for some unknown reason, theres no nyc subway map for the hd2 - thats unbelievable!! why is that?? on the iphone, theres literally DOZENS of them.
i know i'm comparing the hd2 to the iphone. but when youre justified in trashing a product, you got no choice but to compare it to something else.
i was thinking about installing android on it.. but android has a windows '95 look to it. the icons look so old and doesnt look as modern as other phone o/ses.
anyway, i'm highly disappointed in the hd2. the only good thing about it is the screen size, thats all. i'm finally selling it - good riddance.
my phone of choice now is the iphone 4... cant wait to get it and feel free again!!!

koolxx said:
after selling my iphone, i've had this hd2 for 3 months. i customized it as much as possible. i thought i was getting the best phone in the world - i was dead wrong. the hd2 falls WAY short of my expectations. for one, the battery is horrible - lasts 1 day with some use. on the iphone, my batt lasted 2 days with lots of use.
another issue was scrolling, like scrolling through tons of albums. the albums would have to refresh as you scrolled - very slow. on the iphone, the ablums appeared as fast as you scroll. and the menu and typing was not as responsive as the iphone.
but what clinched it for me was the lack of important apps. for some unknown reason, theres no nyc subway map for the hd2 - thats unbelievable!! why is that?? on the iphone, theres literally DOZENS of them.
i know i'm comparing the hd2 to the iphone. but when youre justified in trashing a product, you got no choice but to compare it to something else.
i was thinking about installing android on it.. but android has a windows '95 look to it. the icons look so old and doesnt look as modern as other phone o/ses.
anyway, i'm highly disappointed in the hd2. the only good thing about it is the screen size, thats all.
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Your frustrations are the result of your ignorance, not the phone.
Obviously you are unware that Android has literally hundreds of themes that change the way the icons look. You can also add/change widgets and pretty much anything about your UI. You can also tweak settings to get better battery life. You have no clue how to operate Android, I'd suggest you learn before dismissing it.
As far as WM6.5 is concerned, it is an outdated OS with a lack of apps. It has some awesome features, but apps is not one of them. Android will have MORE apps all around than iOS in about 2 months at the current rate and already has more free apps.
You also dismiss WP7, which has growing development and will give you that modern UI you are looking for, if you think Android's icons are anachronistic you should abhor iOS icons, check out Metro UI, you'll love it.
If you are too lazy to learn how to fully utilize this amazing machine, then I suggest you sell your HD2 and go get an iPhone.

koolxx said:
i know i'm comparing the hd2 to the iphone. but when youre justified in trashing a product, you got no choice but to compare it to something else.
i was thinking about installing android on it.. but android has a windows '95 look to it. the icons look so old and doesnt look as modern as other phone o/ses.
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I know they say not to feed the trolls but... Ha.. HAHA.. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
That made my DAY...

orangekid said:
Your frustrations are the result of your ignorance, not the phone.
Obviously you are unware that Android has literally hundreds of themes that change the way the icons look. You can also add/change widgets and pretty much anything about your UI. You can also tweak settings to get better battery life. You have no clue how to operate Android, I'd suggest you learn before dismissing it.
As far as WM6.5 is concerned, it is an outdated OS with a lack of apps. It has some awesome features, but apps is not one of them. Android will have MORE apps all around than iOS in about 2 months at the current rate and already has more free apps.
You also dismiss WP7, which has growing development and will give you that modern UI you are looking for, if you think Android's icons are anachronistic you should abhor iOS icons, check out Metro UI, you'll love it.
If you are too lazy to learn how to fully utilize this amazing machine, then I suggest you sell your HD2 and go get an iPhone.
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calling someone a name here is a violation of forum rules. dont do it again. its so easy to mock someone over the net. but you wouldnt dare say that to my face... and you know it.

karendar said:
I know they say not to feed the trolls but... Ha.. HAHA.. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
That made my DAY...
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the only troll here is you, for inciting such activity. and your immature behavior proves it.

alright, i'm going to give my hd2 one more chance.. i'll install android.. but on 2 conditions:
1) that i install an android o/s that has excellent batt life and thats fast.
2) that i install a skin for it that looks like stock 6.5.
if any SERIOUS (note the quotes) members here want to recommend any versions based on these conditions, i will install it.

koolxx said:
after selling my iphone, i've had this hd2 for 3 months. i customized it as much as possible. i thought i was getting the best phone in the world - i was dead wrong. the hd2 falls WAY short of my expectations. for one, the battery is horrible - lasts 1 day with some use. on the iphone, my batt lasted 2 days with lots of use.
another issue was scrolling, like scrolling through tons of albums. the albums would have to refresh as you scrolled - very slow. on the iphone, the ablums appeared as fast as you scroll. and the menu and typing was not as responsive as the iphone.
but what clinched it for me was the lack of important apps. for some unknown reason, theres no nyc subway map for the hd2 - thats unbelievable!! why is that?? on the iphone, theres literally DOZENS of them.
i know i'm comparing the hd2 to the iphone. but when youre justified in trashing a product, you got no choice but to compare it to something else.
i was thinking about installing android on it.. but android has a windows '95 look to it. the icons look so old and doesnt look as modern as other phone o/ses.
anyway, i'm highly disappointed in the hd2. the only good thing about it is the screen size, thats all. i'm finally selling it - good riddance.
my phone of choice now is the iphone 4... cant wait to get it and feel free again!!!
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Just for grins, I looked up subway software for WM, found this in a few seconds:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-tag-subway.html
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-visitor-guide-subway-new-york-weekend-2-06a.html
And those are freeware. I'm not sure you looked in the right places.
EDIT: There were also some WP7 titles, but I was looking at WM.
As to scrolling through titles, yes the Iphone will be better there, it is a consumer phone not a pocket PC.

koolxx said:
calling someone a name here is a violation of forum rules. dont do it again. its so easy to mock someone over the net. but you wouldnt dare say that to my face... and you know it.
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To be quite honest, he did not even call you a name . He said you were ignorant. Thats a verb not a noun. Either way, I agree with him wholeheartedly.
This phone is not like any other (not any I know of in this exact replica), it comes with Windows Mobile, but yet you can put almost anything you want on it OTHER than Windows Mobile. Know ANY phone that can do that? No Android phone will run Windows Mobile (not that I think anyone would want to - just saying).
Not to re-state what orange had stated but, you can try Android for FREE. You can try Ubuntu ON YOUR PHONE, for FREE. You can TRY Windows Phone 7, for FREE. Dont have to 'upgrade' (pay 100's) just to TRY the NEW Windows OS...makes sense to me .
Can you do that with the iPhone? No, impossible. You can get a jailbreak that will do what exactly? Get you some apps and wallpapers that you cant do/get normally. How fun.
Not putting down the iphone at all, just stating the FACTS.
Someone once said, ohhh android has all junk apps. For 1, you have to look. For 2, more are free than paid. For 3, iOs you have to pay for what, 75% of what you want to use? Android you can purchase plenty too, and get great apps, but some really nice ones for free where on ios you have to pay...nice
Please do try Android before you dismiss the wonderful phone. Windows Mobile I will agree, was absolutely junk on this phone, I honestly changed (back in the android-sd days where we were booting android from WINDOWS on our SD card. - how awesome) as soon as I could. Never went back. Now, its an Android phone, TRY IT OUT.
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As for the best android? Well, TBH, its different for everyone. Its a WHOLE NEW GAME. Just look at the android section under the HD2 here. Its LOADED with various ROMS, which is WHY ITS AWESOME! You have so many options its crazy. Windows Mobile, you had almost none (various themes, about it). You can almost never brick this phone. READ READ READ ALL the Noob guides, they will point you in the right direction. Flashing an updated radio, bootloader, then rom. Once you figure it out, anytime you want to 'try' something new, it takes all of 10 min., 5 to download the ROM, 5 min for it to install. Thats it.
My bad for long post. Just trying to push ya back over the fence. Its not a bad phone by any means, its a piece of [excellent] hardware (very good for multitasking). Try some new software.

Your right the hd2 is crap. I have a iPhone 3g 8gb in great condition. Jail broken with old fully flashable firmware. Trade ya for your hd2.
“We are legion,”

theslam08 said:
To be quite honest, he did not even call you a name . He said you were ignorant. Thats a verb not a noun. Either way, I agree with him wholeheartedly.
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I think thats the end of that argument because I doubt he can come back from facts.
I have no idea how a iphone kid can come here and bash the HD2. Then again I actually wont go into any of that since you guys already nailed it right on the head.
Love this phone and even though I am still on winmo I am still in love with it.....down the road I'll go droid HD2.

koolxx said:
calling someone a name here is a violation of forum rules. dont do it again. its so easy to mock someone over the net. but you wouldnt dare say that to my face... and you know it.
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Your a TIT!
Please PM me and ill give you my home address, You can come round and I'll say worse directly to your face
If you haven't got the intelligence to realise you are ignorant and are missing out on an amazing device I pitty you very much.

It's not the phone's fault. It's yours for trading your blessed iPhone for that sucky HD2. I mean really? You traded a holy iPhone for some piece for garbage? Man, that's the stupidest thing I've ever read.
I mean like dude, don't you know the iPhone is the absolutely best phone you can get? Whatever the version may be. I mean the 1st gen iPhone blows the galaxy s 2 any day.
Anyways enough with my trolling. xD
It is your fault really, you should recognize your needs and desires first. Judging from your personality, attitude, experiences and desires, the iPhone is obviously your device. You don't want to customize, you don't want to hack, so obviously you want a device just to use. So in other words, why the hell did you get a device that wasn't meant for you? Next time, think about what you want before you get it.

From what I've read it's an excellent phone if you're willing to go through the motions and change it. I'm not sure what you have done with it but I'm sure if you had the time you could change it to how you want it.
However, the beauty of the iPhone ( and it's biggest problem) is that it's so controlled that you can have a perfectly consistent experience and it takes little effort (though I would argue the same with WP7, though it has fewer apps).
However if you really do not want it I'm curious as to what kind of HD2 you have and how much you are willing to sell it for.

WOW!!! you are going to sell out ur hd2!!! ... i cant believe it ..i have made up my mind to never sell it (it will like go into the world phone museum cuz this is the device is the starting point of all these new ones) this is the best phone i have ever used cuz it is higly customizable (except for on winmo) ..i am currently on android (NAND) as far as u r searching for a nice rom i would suggest hyperdroid cm7 ...its a pitty that u want to sell ur hd2!!
EDIT:: n what u saying huge battery drain... i just loose 5% in 7 hours of standby and my phone lasts full 1.5 days with heavy usage

Also, if you have problems with the battery life you can get a larger battery ( they do exist and you can get them for reasonable prices on eBay and the like), so you do have options available.
I would suggest to save you the potential of regret to at least try other options like Android ( on which there are a number of excellent launchers that can suit your needs well) and WP7 ( which I personally think has an exquisite UI) on your phone.

siddharth singh said:
WOW!!! you are going to sell out ur hd2!!! ... i cant believe it ..i have made up my mind to never sell it (it will like go into the world phone museum cuz this is the device is the starting point of all these new ones) this is the best phone i have ever used cuz it is higly customizable (except for on winmo) ..i am currently on android (NAND) as far as u r searching for a nice rom i would suggest hyperdroid cm7 ...its a pitty that u want to sell ur hd2!!
EDIT:: n what u saying huge battery drain... i just loose 5% in 7 hours of standby and my phone lasts full 1.5 days with heavy usage
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Hey...can you please tell me...what ROM you have on your HD2 ? Android NAND ?

stevedebi said:
Just for grins, I looked up subway software for WM, found this in a few seconds:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-tag-subway.html
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-visitor-guide-subway-new-york-weekend-2-06a.html
And those are freeware. I'm not sure you looked in the right places.
EDIT: There were also some WP7 titles, but I was looking at WM.
As to scrolling through titles, yes the Iphone will be better there, it is a consumer phone not a pocket PC.
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hi, stevedebi. thanks for replying. i checked out the apps a while ago. theyre old as hell. but i was checking out some android apps. heres one i checked out:
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-episode6-android-nycsubwaymap-wE.aspx
it looks modern. i'll be installing android just for the hell of it and download some apps and judge for myself. so lets see.

theslam08 said:
To be quite honest, he did not even call you a name . He said you were ignorant. Thats a verb not a noun. Either way, I agree with him wholeheartedly.
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'ignorant' is a verb??? looks like someone here needs english lessons..try learning english before correcting someone who was born in england. and why are you defending him?? you sound interested.
This phone is not like any other (not any I know of in this exact replica), it comes with Windows Mobile, but yet you can put almost anything you want on it OTHER than Windows Mobile. Know ANY phone that can do that? No Android phone will run Windows Mobile (not that I think anyone would want to - just saying).
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huh??
Someone once said, ohhh android has all junk apps. For 1, you have to look. For 2, more are free than paid. For 3, iOs you have to pay for what, 75% of what you want to use? Android you can purchase plenty too, and get great apps, but some really nice ones for free where on ios you have to pay...nice
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thats funny, when i had my iphone i never paid a penny for my apps... i got them off the net.
Please do try Android before you dismiss the wonderful phone. Windows Mobile I will agree, was absolutely junk on this phone.
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wait a minute... if you agree with me about the windows mobile o/s, then why are you bashing me? i dont get it, but to each their own.
My bad for long post. Just trying to push ya back over the fence. Its not a bad phone by any means, its a piece of [excellent] hardware (very good for multitasking). Try some new software.
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and thats why i've requested advice on android builds before i sell off my hd2.

tageeboy said:
Your right the hd2 is crap. I have a iPhone 3g 8gb in great condition. Jail broken with old fully flashable firmware. Trade ya for your hd2.
“We are legion,”
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come on, grow up.

grifter024 said:
I think thats the end of that argument because I doubt he can come back from facts.
I have no idea how a iphone kid can come here and bash the HD2. Then again I actually wont go into any of that since you guys already nailed it right on the head.
Love this phone and even though I am still on winmo I am still in love with it.....down the road I'll go droid HD2.
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i think grifter has a new fan (or possibly more than that.. ha ha), but again, to each their own.
i have no idea how an hd2 nerd can come here and bash the number one phone in the world. but then again, i wont go into that since you guys agree that windows mobile is crap.. but he stilll thinks it isnt for some fanboy reason. gotta feel sorry for the runt.
i love the iphone.. its fast and smooth.. i'll install droid tomorrow and judge it for myself.