Didn't see this posted and it looked fairly interesting so here you go.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/22/android-2-2-spotted-in-analytics-data-running-on-magic/
Dude. Seriously. If 2.2 hits the market before the hero gets 2.1, Sprint and HTC are going to look like fools. And have some SERIOUSLY pissed off customers on their hands. Maybe if THEY thought about putting their apps in the market instead of trying to implement them into the software at release (as the article mentions google is planning to do), maybe their wouldn't be such a lag in updates.
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Dude. Seriously. If 2.2 hits the market before the hero gets 2.1, Sprint and HTC are going to look like fools. And have some SERIOUSLY pissed off customers on their hands. Maybe if THEY thought about putting their apps in the market instead of trying to implement them into the software at release (as the article mentions google is planning to do), maybe their wouldn't be such a lag in updates.
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100% Agree with you on that, hopefully google keeps there word with this updating situation.
I will laugh so hard if 2.2 comes out when the Hero gets 2.1... one reason I'm ditching Sense UI on my next phone and getting the Nexus instead of the EVO.
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I will laugh so hard if 2.2 comes out when the Hero gets 2.1... one reason I'm ditching Sense UI on my next phone and getting the Nexus instead of the EVO.
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I agree with your points, but 4g, front camera and a huge screen are forcing me to get an evo.
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I agree with your points, but 4g, front camera and a huge screen are forcing me to get an evo.
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Between the price and just my horrible experience with Sense UI with my Hero, I dont know I guess its just drawing me away... and I'd really miss having a trackball if I had an EVO too.
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I agree with your points, but 4g, front camera and a huge screen are forcing me to get an evo.
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+10. Living in an area that is completely covered by 4g makes this purchase damn near compulsory. Though I must admit....no one would have to twist my arm very hard to convince me to buy the evo, lol!
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the only thing sprint hasnt told us about the evo is the 4g to my knowledge is going to be limited to certain kb's, not sure of the number yet not sure if this is even true but def a rumor from my friend that works at sprint, while 3g on the evo will be unlimited but they are selling 4g by the gb i think, like for an extra 10 bucks on top of your data plan it gives you 4g but its limited, i use my hero as a modem so that would suck if i got an evo. idk yet i guess we will see in due time.
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the only thing sprint hasnt told us about the evo is the 4g to my knowledge is going to be limited to certain kb's, not sure of the number yet not sure if this is even true but def a rumor from my friend that works at sprint, while 3g on the evo will be unlimited but they are selling 4g by the gb i think, like for an extra 10 bucks on top of your data plan it gives you 4g but its limited, i use my hero as a modem so that would suck if i got an evo. idk yet i guess we will see in due time.
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What they told me is that 4G will be unlimited and the 3G is limited to like 5GB or something like that. I've heard that from multiple people... just what I've heard so far.
4g will be unlimited and 3g is capped at 5gb. I work for dealer who sales sprint and that thats the norm for data. 3g is capped because we dont own all parts of that network, where as 4g is ours with Clear, so yeah
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4g will be unlimited and 3g is capped at 5gb. I work for dealer who sales sprint and that thats the norm for data. 3g is capped because we dont own all parts of that network, where as 4g is ours with Clear, so yeah
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Yayy! I was right, lol.
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the only thing sprint hasnt told us about the evo is the 4g to my knowledge is going to be limited to certain kb's, not sure of the number yet not sure if this is even true but def a rumor from my friend that works at sprint, while 3g on the evo will be unlimited but they are selling 4g by the gb i think, like for an extra 10 bucks on top of your data plan it gives you 4g but its limited, i use my hero as a modem so that would suck if i got an evo. idk yet i guess we will see in due time.
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Actually, the rumor I heard from someone at Sprint (not a store employee) is that it will be exactly like the current 4G plans... unlimited 4G, 5GB limit on 3G. The only thing they are currently wrestling with is pricing on the voice + data plans.
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Actually, the rumor I heard from someone at Sprint (not a store employee) is that it will be exactly like the current 4G plans... unlimited 4G, 5GB limit on 3G. The only thing they are currently wrestling with is pricing on the voice + data plans.
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Wait do we currently have a 5gb cap on out heros for 3g cause I can hit 5gb
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When I bought my Epic few Sprint sales rep told me that we will be getting 4G in Buffalo NY in october,here comes january still no 4G.
Well I went to sprint store and asked why they chargin me for 4G when we dont have it yet(and most times im getting 2g speed on 3g,lol).This is what they said "We are charging you for the fastest cpu,even though we dont have 4g speed the cpu pulls information so fast that its considered 4g"lmfao!So I told the dude "listen you can tell that to a child that was born yesterday" but he insisted that he knew what he was talking about,lol,in other words I dint get anywhere.Speaking to a different rep she told me something like that also,lol.And a third rep said some differet but equally outrageous sht.
So my question is:Is this legal for them to be bullshitng us like that?Because im thinking about going back to sprint store and recording that conversation,but what can I do with it?Sprint promised me 4G and on that bassis I droped Tmobile which was way faster than Sprint(5-7mbps vs sprint's 1-2mbps) and now Tmobile is even faster.So I droped my beloved tmobile and got Epic instead of Vibrant on a 4G promise and now im being charged for 4G that I dont have,lol.
Anyone have any advice?Can I return my Epic and can i be tooken off the contract and get my money back?
lots of threads online for it..basicly your SOL. its a "premium data" charge cuz your phone can do more is their recent quote. The sad thing is they are going after clearwire (which they own a major share of) because only like 10% of epic and evo owners live in 4g areas and they dont want to pay clear wire for every evo/epic. but they have no plans on removing the charge from us. So either ***** enough to get out of your contract and move to another carrier or deal with it. Also you could set you phone into roam only mode and talk non stop and DL on verizon and sprint will break the contract for you =)
Yes its legal, you signed the contract. They are being sued, so while its obvious they are charging you for 4g, they now describe the fee as paying for the advanced hardware and not actually the 4g.
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Yes its legal, you signed the contract. They are being sued, so while its obvious they are charging you for 4g, they now describe the fee as paying for the advanced hardware and not actually the 4g.
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For "advance hardware"lol,it says charges are for 4G.And how can they charge me for any hardware?I bought my Epic and its mine so how can they charge me for it?This is like telling a grown man about santa claus being real,lol.So they have a lawsuit already?If so how can I help.
Another question is it possible to flash my Epic to Verizon and use their LTE 4G or is it different frequency from WiMax?
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For "advance hardware"lol,it says charges are for 4G.And how can they charge me for any hardware?I bought my Epic and its mine so how can they charge me for it?This is like telling a grown man about santa claus being real,lol.So they have a lawsuit already?If so how can I help.
Another question is it possible to flash my Epic to Verizon and use their LTE 4G or is it different frequency from WiMax?
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Lte and wimax are completely and utterly incompatible.
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For "advance hardware"lol,it says charges are for 4G.And how can they charge me for any hardware?I bought my Epic and its mine so how can they charge me for it?This is like telling a grown man about santa claus being real,lol.So they have a lawsuit already?If so how can I help.
Another question is it possible to flash my Epic to Verizon and use their LTE 4G or is it different frequency from WiMax?
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How can you help? Call up sprint and cancel your contract. Make it clear to them that you will not pay for a service you cannot use.
Otherwise, just pay the fee and realize that even without 4g you are getting a better deal than you would on any other wireless provider.
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Lte and wimax are completely and utterly incompatible.
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I know that I can flash Epic to Verizon,so I assume that only Verizon's 3g will function and no 4g?
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I know that I can flash Epic to Verizon,so I assume that only Verizon's 3g will function and no 4g?
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The only way to do that is illegal. There is no "flashing" to verizon, as verizon does not offer the Epic. The only way to do it is by fuddling with ESN's and that is not legal.
Also, wait until you see the prices Verizon will put on its 4g service. Think they are gonna offer it for free? LOL.
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For "advance hardware"lol,it says charges are for 4G.And how can they charge me for any hardware?I bought my Epic and its mine so how can they charge me for it?This is like telling a grown man about santa claus being real,lol.So they have a lawsuit already?If so how can I help.
Another question is it possible to flash my Epic to Verizon and use their LTE 4G or is it different frequency from WiMax?
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Yes they are charging you for the Premium Data Addon which all of their top end phones require...the Addon includes 4g, unlimited data, telnav gps, "honor of using a better phone on their network", "cool tax" and a few other things...its like when hotels have "Resort Fees" and include some things only 1% of the people use anyways...
Either way I personally don't mind the fee anymore..don't get me wrong I'm not exactly thrilled about it and find it dumb too..but I would rather have a $10 fee then tiered data like the other guys >.>
And yes FDD-LTE used on verizon and AT&T will be 700mhz, Wimax is 2.5ghz...
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How can you help? Call up sprint and cancel your contract. Make it clear to them that you will not pay for a service you cannot use.
Otherwise, just pay the fee and realize that even without 4g you are getting a better deal than you would on any other wireless provider.
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Yeah we do get best deal but not on internet speed,sometimes my 3g speed is only 70kbs and my 2g speed on ATT iphone 3g(2 years ago) was 80kbs,lol.
So yeah its the best deal unless your girfriend spends hours downloading movies feom megaupload.
Yeah I might go back to tmobile and get Vibrant,damn I realy did have high hopes for WiMax 4g but the way its lookin it might be another year or two before upstate NY gets it.
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The only way to do that is illegal. There is no "flashing" to verizon, as verizon does not offer the Epic. The only way to do it is by fuddling with ESN's and that is not legal.
Also, wait until you see the prices Verizon will put on its 4g service. Think they are gonna offer it for free? LOL.
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People that have sprint 4g dont pay extra for it.
OMG NOT AGAINNNNNNNNNNNN
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Yes they are charging you for the Premium Data Addon which all of their top end phones require...the Addon includes 4g, unlimited data, telnav gps, "honor of using a better phone on their network", "cool tax" and a few other things...its like when hotels have "Resort Fees" and include some things only 1% of the people use anyways...
Either way I personally don't mind the fee anymore..don't get me wrong I'm not exactly thrilled about it and find it dumb too..but I would rather have a $10 fee then tiered data like the other guys >.>
And yes FDD-LTE used on verizon and AT&T will be 700mhz, Wimax is 2.5ghz...
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Tmobile dint have a data cap,i downloaded over 50gb one month,its unlimited.Sprint have 3 or 5gb data cap on their 3g but no data cap on 4g(convinient for them since almost nobody have 4g).
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Tmobile dint have a data cap,i downloaded over 50gb one month,its unlimited.Sprint have 3 or 5gb data cap on their 3g but no data cap on 4g(convinient for them since almost nobody have 4g).
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T-mobile had a data cap of 5gb..but they dropped it in favor of throttling...aka if they see you having too much data multiple months they will throttle you...
As for sprint..they have unlimited 3g and 4g data..the data cap limits are on wireless cards..not cellphones....
They do now have a cap. All carriers have a "soft" cap, but Sprint if you have 4G doesn't have a cap. 3G has a soft cap.
bleh...
I sell phones for an indirect agent and we get grilled about that all the time. The fact of the matter is, you're usually going to pay less with Sprint, even with the Premium Data Add-on. It's for the 'big screen, fast processor, and access to the 4G network' is what I tell customers. You can look at it one of two ways- 1) They're charging you a mandatory fee for a hardware feature- not a network feature- so it's bogus. Without 4G you have no 'Premium Data' experience. 2) These two phones are far superior to any other offerings on Sprint- even the Optimus S doesn't really even come close. You're going to have a lot better internet experience than someone with one of the other phones- it will be measurably faster even on 3G.
What you have to ask yourself is- would you have a problem with them charging a lower rate for someone with a flip-phone to have unlimited internet than someone with an Android phone? If that doesn't seem to unreasonable, then realize that this isn't too much different.
In regards to the legality of it- you signed a contract, and that contract did not guarantee you would ever have WiMax in your area. The sales rep might have told you that, but it wasn't part of your contract. You can try really hard to be let out of your contract, and they might let you, but their position is (legally) sound.
Sprint doesn't have a cap for 4g because they don't know how much you use. This may have changed (doubt it), but they can't even look it up. I worked at sprint tech support for a year back when wimax was introduced to the networkm
Sprint doesn't have a cap for 3G or 4g.
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I sell phones for an indirect agent and we get grilled about that all the time. The fact of the matter is, you're usually going to pay less with Sprint, even with the Premium Data Add-on. It's for the 'big screen, fast processor, and access to the 4G network' is what I tell customers. You can look at it one of two ways- 1) They're charging you a mandatory fee for a hardware feature- not a network feature- so it's bogus. Without 4G you have no 'Premium Data' experience. 2) These two phones are far superior to any other offerings on Sprint- even the Optimus S doesn't really even come close. You're going to have a lot better internet experience than someone with one of the other phones- it will be measurably faster even on 3G.
What you have to ask yourself is- would you have a problem with them charging a lower rate for someone with a flip-phone to have unlimited internet than someone with an Android phone? If that doesn't seem to unreasonable, then realize that this isn't too much different.
In regards to the legality of it- you signed a contract, and that contract did not guarantee you would ever have WiMax in your area. The sales rep might have told you that, but it wasn't part of your contract. You can try really hard to be let out of your contract, and they might let you, but their position is (legally) sound.
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And you have a tech job,lol.Cpu speed or ram amount dont have nothing to do with internet speed.No disrespect to you becuse youre probably reading this of sprint's manuscript.But anyone that has knowledge of electronics knows that this is bs that dont even makes sense to human brain.
I owned Behold 2 and MTS3gs with 600mhz cpu(phones half as powerful as Epic) and they both were almost as fast as sprint's 4g on tmobile's hsdpa network.You mean to tell me that sprint is charging me for 4G addon hardware inside Galaxy S Pro(Epic) that I bought and own?At least they can come up with a better sounding scam,and if sales rep promised a 4g that never came that should give a consumer a right to get out of contract.
Processor speed does affect Internet speed. You can load pages cached faster with a faster processor.
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tell sprint to change something in our plans so i can get out for free. then i can move to a real carrier then!
fixxxer2008 said:
tell sprint to change something in our plans so i can get out for free. then i can move to a real carrier then!
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I'll let em know as soon as I go back to work Monday.
use prl 00001 and torrent alldata discs, you will get dropped with no etf
how much of a battery drain is that app lol
NewZJ said:
use prl 00001 and torrent alldata discs, you will get dropped with no etf
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yeah after 2-3 months of using it.
fixxxer2008 said:
tell sprint to change something in our plans so i can get out for free. then i can move to a real carrier then!
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A real carrier?
Is that one without unlimited data? [att]
Or one with throttled data after so much usage? [verizon, tmobile]
Or one that is far behind when it comes to coverage? [tmobile]
Oh, did I mention for $40+ / month more?
...not sure how you define "real"....
oh, is time a factor? use your phone to host a wikileaks server
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A real carrier?
Is that one without unlimited data? [att]
Or one with throttled data after so much usage? [verizon, tmobile]
Or one that is far behind when it comes to coverage? [tmobile]
Oh, did I mention for $40+ / month more?
...not sure how you define "real"....
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funny Tmobile has just as much coverage or a bit more than sprint and is a bit cheaper too in my area but i like my evo to much atm
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funny Tmobile has just as much coverage or a bit more than sprint and is a bit cheaper too in my area but i like my evo to much atm
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Actually they don't and they're $5 less a month for 450 minutes, unl text and thorttled data. That is of course if you don't mind losing your any mobile any time minutes and free GPS.
CheesyNutz said:
funny Tmobile has just as much coverage or a bit more than sprint and is a bit cheaper too in my area but i like my evo to much atm
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Sprint's coverage is actually second to Verizon...and that's barely.
At&t is right behind that.
Tmobile is way behind, although A LOT BETTER than it was only a few years ago.
Please keep in mind that when you look at tmobile and verizon's map on their website it states:
Portions of the maps include networks operated by our roaming partners;
This is not true for Sprint's.
DirtyShroomz said:
Actually they don't and they're $5 less a month for 450 minutes, unl text and thorttled data. That is of course if you don't mind losing your any mobile any time minutes and free GPS.
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Individual plans their prices stack up better against Sprint...
Family plans...no one comes close to Sprint's prices for the same services.
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A real carrier?
Is that one without unlimited data? [att]
Or one with throttled data after so much usage? [verizon, tmobile]
Or one that is far behind when it comes to coverage? [tmobile]
Oh, did I mention for $40+ / month more?
...not sure how you define "real"....
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i despise sprint and their lack of decent phones minus the year old evo. t-mobile has a great lineup and ill be moving there as soon as i can. just have to find a way to get out of two eft fees first.
sprint has massive coverage, they roam with verizon but I haven't been in many areas that didn't have sprint, and I be everywhere 4 my job
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funny Tmobile has just as much coverage or a bit more than sprint and is a bit cheaper too in my area but i like my evo to much atm
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t-mobile is a very good carrier with better prices than sprint currently. they just get a bad rep but they have an impressive lineup of phones. i really want that new lg phone.
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i despise sprint and their lack of decent phones minus the year old evo. t-mobile has a great lineup and ill be moving there as soon as i can. just have to find a way to get out of two eft fees first.
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Your emotional dislike or like doesn't define "real".
Lack of phones?
The Evo shift, Evo and Epic lineup against everything that is out....will that be changing soon with the CES phone's being released?
Yes.
Will it last very long?
No.
Sprint's delay in releasing new phones is likely due to the situation they are having choosing lte or sticking with wimax, due to the financial issues with Clear.
But they're coming.
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t-mobile is a very good carrier with better prices than sprint currently. they just get a bad rep but they have an impressive lineup of phones. i really want that new lg phone.
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Tmobile's coverage, less the coverage providing including other's networks, is significantly less than Sprint/Verizon/At&t.
Their prices are barely, if at all, cheaper than Sprint's and that only is true if you're talking about individual plans.
But not always true....my girlfriend's individual plan with T-mobile is $85 / month.
More expensive Sprint.
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Sprint's coverage is actually second to Verizon...and that's barely.
At&t is right behind that.
Tmobile is way behind, although A LOT BETTER than it was only a few years ago.
Please keep in mind that when you look at tmobile and verizon's map on their website it states:
Portions of the maps include networks operated by our roaming partners;
This is not true for Sprint's.
Individual plans their prices stack up better against Sprint...
Family plans...no one comes close to Sprint's prices for the same services.
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Yup, that is correct, and on contract their plans are $79.99 for 500 minutes, unl text and data, which is the same exact price as Sprint, except Sprint gives you any mobile anytime. Their no contract prices are a little less than that, but of course phone cost is full retail price.
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Yup, that is correct, and on contract their plans are $79.99 for 500 minutes, unl text and data, which is the same exact price as Sprint, except Sprint gives you any mobile anytime. Their no contract prices are a little less than that, but of course phone cost is full retail price.
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Don't forget that "unlimited data" is throttled after so much usage.
I don't care what anyone says, T-Mobile might have throttled data, but at it's worst HSPA+ is numerous times better than WiMAX. Not to mention the fact that it doesn't cause your phone to chug your battery like WiMAX does.
http://phandroid.com/2011/02/10/4g-speed-tests-show-samsung-galaxy-s-4g-as-winner/
My co-worker's MyTouch 3G is always about 2 MBPS faster than my EVO on 4G.
I think we can support sprint till we are yellow in the logo but it won't change the fact that tmobile might be better for him, sprint isn't the best for everybody I admit though it's right for me and most of you.
let him go, he will be back for the evo 2
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I don't care what anyone says, T-Mobile might have throttled data, but at it's worst HSPA+ is numerous times better than WiMAX. Not to mention the fact that it doesn't cause your phone to chug your battery like WiMAX does.
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Don't know about battery usage but I can honestly say that HSPA+ is pretty terrible in the three personal examples [friends that have it] comparable to even Sprint's 3g.
I don't know if it's just our area Detroit suburbs or what but it's ****in' slow here.
Just watched a demo of the MOTO Atrix dual core....wow the scrolling is horrible. Side by side with the Epic, the differences are HUGE! It's hard not to smile knowing that the EPIC still dominates even dual core offerings.
I noticed it's an ATT "4G" phone, so after going to ATT site and clicking their 4G link, it took me to a map of blue colored coverage, which oddly enough looks EXACTLY like their 3G coverage. Upon further examination, that's EXACTLY what they show you, the 3G coverage. There are but a small handful of cities that actually implement TMOs HSPA+ '4G'. Just like apple, att using their 'full of ****' marketing practices. It's really sad how much $ apple and att has made selling inferior hardware and service for twice that of which I pay for the Epic on Sprint.
I have 2 Epics, with unlimited everything (except the landline 1500min pool), and both phones plans combined is cheaper than 1 iphone with unlimited everything, except the 4GB worth of data. And that's 3G data!
Man that's so sad. I can't believe how many fools there are out there.
Samsung can't get Froyo right to save their life, but even the Eclair Epic is a better choice than the Atrix.
Atrix makes sammiches tho
Atrix? Meh.
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Just watched a demo of the MOTO Atrix dual core....wow the scrolling is horrible. Side by side with the Epic, the differences are HUGE! It's hard not to smile knowing that the EPIC still dominates even dual core offerings.
I noticed it's an ATT "4G" phone, so after going to ATT site and clicking their 4G link, it took me to a map of blue colored coverage, which oddly enough looks EXACTLY like their 3G coverage. Upon further examination, that's EXACTLY what they show you, the 3G coverage. There are but a small handful of cities that actually implement TMOs HSPA+ '4G'. Just like apple, att using their 'full of ****' marketing practices. It's really sad how much $ apple and att has made selling inferior hardware and service for twice that of which I pay for the Epic on Sprint.
I have 2 Epics, with unlimited everything (except the landline 1500min pool), and both phones plans combined is cheaper than 1 iphone with unlimited everything, except the 4GB worth of data. And that's 3G data!
Man that's so sad. I can't believe how many fools there are out there.
Samsung can't get Froyo right to save their life, but even the Eclair Epic is a better choice than the Atrix.
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i have both the epic and the atrix
the epic has its winning points and the atrix has its also
the att 4g coverage is 3x better then sprint service in phoenix
its all personal opinion of what people think
i love the atrix 4g and dont really care for the epic because i live in a blind spot but i love the work that is done with the roms
Good.luck with the custom kernels on the atrix.
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Atrix > Epic > Evo
Multi-cores are the future, lets not have a redundant debate on how multi-cores aren't useful until apps and games are optimized for them, we all know how that ended up when PC's went multi-core; And lets not be like the EVO folks who were in denial when the Epic came out.
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i have both the epic and the atrix
the epic has its winning points and the atrix has its also
the att 4g coverage is 3x better then sprint service in phoenix
its all personal opinion of what people think
i love the atrix 4g and dont really care for the epic because i live in a blind spot but i love the work that is done with the roms
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That I agree about the service here... T mobile 3G is faster than our 3G...
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Atrix > Epic > Evo
Multi-cores are the future, lets not have a redundant debate on how multi-cores aren't useful until apps and games are optimized for them, we all know how that ended up when PC's went multi-core; And lets not be like the EVO folks who were in denial when the Epic came out.
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i am in denial but I cant wait till cm7 gets here for my girls phone
My friend who I have known for 8 years bought the Atrix with the Dock and everything spending $500+. Personally, I would have not invested so much in a device that is not going to easy to make custom kernel's for. Matter of fact, its a locked boot loader which means you are screwed. Even Cyanogen himself said today that he would support the device had it not been for that fact. Still, its kinda cool, but makes developing for it a lot ( LOT ) harder than it should be.
Yet they make the XOOM developer friendly. Go figure, why would they not choose this with the phone? Do we have the provider to blame? Is it what they want for their phone systems, or are we just being put to a test to see how far developers can push the envelope with the newest phones to make custom roms/kernels?
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My friend who I have known for 8 years bought the Atrix with the Dock and everything spending $500+. Personally, I would have not invested so much in a device that is not going to easy to make custom kernel's for. Matter of fact, its a locked boot loader which means you are screwed. Even Cyanogen himself said today that he would support the device had it not been for that fact. Still, its kinda cool, but makes developing for it a lot ( LOT ) harder than it should be.
Yet they make the XOOM developer friendly. Go figure, why would they not choose this with the phone? Do we have the provider to blame? Is it what they want for their phone systems, or are we just being put to a test to see how far developers can push the envelope with the newest phones to make custom roms/kernels?
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Not the first moto device with a locked boot loader, anything and everything is hackable. Period.
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Yet they make the XOOM developer friendly. Go figure, why would they not choose this with the phone? Do we have the provider to blame? Is it what they want for their phone systems, or are we just being put to a test to see how far developers can push the envelope with the newest phones to make custom roms/kernels?
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XOOM is a "flagship device" all of google's flagship devices are the first to ship with the OS and are VERY developer friendly so far the list is G1,Droid,Nexus 1, Nexus S, XOOM
Honestly, I can not stand AT&T. They have the same pricing as Verizon, yet they're inferior (network wise) to Sprint. The only reason they had a chance in the mobile market industry is because of the iPhone (which I still prefer Android over).
Now that Verizon has iPhone, ATT will probably be bought out by another carrier, or something weird.
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i have both the epic and the atrix
the epic has its winning points and the atrix has its also
the att 4g coverage is 3x better then sprint service in phoenix
its all personal opinion of what people think
i love the atrix 4g and dont really care for the epic because i live in a blind spot but i love the work that is done with the roms
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LOL -- ATT....did someone just defend ATTs service???
Sprint's CLEAR division has LTE in Phoenix running 100Mb down and peak 47Mb uploads.........ATT probably runs their whole network off of one of the LTE connections.
There will always be someone who lives in a dead zone. WiMax ins't there yet, but between Sprint and Verizon's networks, Phoenix couldn't be covered any better. Roms allow for forced roam, which I had on my WinMo 6.5 phone.....and could switch between networks and roam 3G if I had a Sprint issue. It made for the most robust phone I've ever seen anyone in possession of (TP2 was quad band).
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That I agree about the service here... T mobile 3G is faster than our 3G...
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Their 'enhanced' 3G is quite fast....Got over 5Mb on my sisters Samsung Tab sitting 100ft in front of the tower....2Mb up. Damn't Sprint, unlock our WiMax UPLOAD already.......bandwidth is clearly available up and down, it won't do jack to the network if they let us full duplex. I mean, it's a phone..... I couldn't imagine FB pic uploads swamping the network with just a fraction of the HD YouTube streaming
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Honestly, I can not stand AT&T. They have the same pricing as Verizon, yet they're inferior (network wise) to Sprint. The only reason they had a chance in the mobile market industry is because of the iPhone (which I still prefer Android over).
Now that Verizon has iPhone, ATT will probably be bought out by another carrier, or something weird.
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Fck att,i hope they go under.Their costumer support is the worst,when I had iphone 3gs they acted like they were doing me a favor by me staying with them,lol.
I had tmobile and sprint since then and both of these carriers are light years ahead in terms of everything,dont know about verizon but I havent heard nothing bad about them.
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Fck att,i hope they go under.Their costumer support is the worst,when I had iphone 3gs they acted like they were doing me a favor by me staying with them,lol.
I had tmobile and sprint since then and both of these carriers are light years ahead in terms of everything,dont know about verizon but I havent heard nothing bad about them.
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sprints customer service in stores sucks big time **** and thats another reason why i left.
some of the employees are just braindead and dont what is right or left
att and verizon are the best right now and because they know what they are doing and thats why they are so big
sprints barely getting its stupid company ass back in gear after all the years it was behind and watch it fall back down soon
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sprints customer service in stores sucks big time **** and thats another reason why i left.
some of the employees are just braindead and dont what is right or left
att and verizon are the best right now and because they know what they are doing and thats why they are so big
sprints barely getting its stupid company ass back in gear after all the years it was behind and watch it fall back down soon
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Almost all store employees are dumb at any carrier.
What counts for sprint and tmobile is that they dont disconnect your service if you dont pay wkthing 2-3 days.I can be 2 weeks late with sprint and not get charged extra and not even have a warning from sprint.
Plus on sprint and tmobile I can download 80gb of movies a month,they dont have data cap.So if you use your phone as your primary internet then tmo and sprint is only choices.
I just wish I dint leave tmobile for sprint because speed was way faster on tmobile,and my promised sprint's 4g never came.
Yeah your ridge about Tue paying the.bill late. I've been late before and they don't even care.
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Yeah your ridge about Tue paying the.bill late. I've been late before and they don't even care.
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The atrix is a far more powerful device, but the first true dual cores will be powered by omap4 and perhaps 3rd Gen snapdragons or tegra3's. That's when it all really begins.
I'm moving to Verizon because of complicated reasons. What phone should I get? I freaking love my evo and I have no clue what to get.
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Get a "full featured" flip phone so you dont have to worry about going over your limited data plan.
Thunderbolt seems like the obvious choice. It is the HTC flagship phone for Verizon. It is the Evo on steroids I believe
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Get a "full featured" flip phone so you dont have to worry about going over your limited data plan.
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Haha, I'll just get a env3. Oh yeah , look at me now 0.0
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Thunderbolt.
Obviously you should get the Droid X 2
Unless you live in an LTE area, and are dying to have your battery absolutely demolished. Then, you should get the Thunderbolt.
The Thunderbolt really is an Evo on steroids, as lehalter said, and I think it's Verizon's best phone right now. The Droid Charge (Samsung) is nice too, but especially if you like Sense, Thunderbolt is the way to go. My dad just got it after having the original Droid, and he's really happy with it.
I'd have a hard time buying anything that's not LTE compatible on VZW right now, unless you live in the middle of nowhere and aren't likely to see LTE in the next 2 years. VZW's LTE network is everything we wish Sprint's 4G network was (well, except for cheap and soon, unlimited). That would knock the Incredible 2 and Droid X2 off my list, personally.
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If he has Verizon now, he can get true unlimited data.
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If he has Verizon now, he can get true unlimited data.
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Maybe unlimited but throttled at the same time.
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Maybe unlimited but throttled at the same time.
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I don't think it's conclusively been shown that Verizon is throttling LTE if you go over a certain cap. I honestly don't know the details, but I think it's safe to say that one would be better off getting on VZW now before the "unlimited" plan really does go away.
In any event, the OP said he needs to move to VZW and probably doesn't need us to try to talk him out of it. I think the question is just which VZW phone is going to be best for an Evo lover, and I think the Thunderbolt is a pretty clear choice.
I'd get the Droid charge.
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I don't think it's conclusively been shown that Verizon is throttling LTE if you go over a certain cap. I honestly don't know the details, but I think it's safe to say that one would be better off getting on VZW now before the "unlimited" plan really does go away.
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They have openly admitted they throttle.
They've said its only the "top 5%"
(Whatever thats supposed to mean)
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i just left verizon.. data throttling was pi$$ing me off, i use about 10 to 13 gigs a month and that was without tethering...
on the note of throttleing.. big v woiuld actually shut off my 3g connection and id be stuck with 1x for the rest of the day... also they are not friendly to tetherin.... DO NOT MAKE THIS INTO A TETHERING FIGHT
back to the original topic...
i personally would go with the thunderbolt... even though it is "old tech" just to lock in the 4g unlimited now.
before anyone starts in... verizon's ceo has already announced that tiered data will start this summer... which so happens to be right before the dual cores hit...., and their dual core lte phones just so happened to have been "delayed" for "further testing".....whatever .......
Again i would stick with thunderbolt... DO NOT GO TO MOTO... moto has awesome phones and i hate to say it but personally any moto phone is 10 times better in hardware and some software than anyone else right now... however they all have encrypted bootloaders..
this means that yes you can have root access, however what this means is that ther are NO TRULY CUSTOM ROMS... think cyanogenmod and asop... also NO kernels, and no truly great upgrades...
dx is much better that evo .. however it is ristricted due to the encrypted bootloader... and no the bootloader will not be broken ....
plain and simple switch now to make sure you get unlimited 4g, or wait and take a chance, also again i would rec thunderbolt do to at least htc at this time is listening to its customers....
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Obviously you should get the Droid X 2
Unless you live in an LTE area, and are dying to have your battery absolutely demolished. Then, you should get the Thunderbolt.
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First off... If he never wants to mod anything on his phone then yes, he should get something made by Motorola. Second... All he has to do is shut off the extra radio to save power. You do know that you are on the Evo section of the forum right? Most people on here have their WiMax radios turned off because they don't get WiMax in their area. The X2 only scores about 500-600 higher than the Thunderbolt on quadrant... and it has an entire extra core. Motorola can do better than that.
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i just left verizon.. data throttling was pi$$ing me off, i use about 10 to 13 gigs a month and that was without tethering...
on the note of throttleing.. big v woiuld actually shut off my 3g connection and id be stuck with 1x for the rest of the day... also they are not friendly to tetherin.... DO NOT MAKE THIS INTO A TETHERING FIGHT
back to the original topic...
i personally would go with the thunderbolt... even though it is "old tech" just to lock in the 4g unlimited now.
before anyone starts in... verizon's ceo has already announced that tiered data will start this summer... which so happens to be right before the dual cores hit...., and their dual core lte phones just so happened to have been "delayed" for "further testing".....whatever .......
Again i would stick with thunderbolt... DO NOT GO TO MOTO... moto has awesome phones and i hate to say it but personally any moto phone is 10 times better in hardware and some software than anyone else right now... however they all have encrypted bootloaders..
this means that yes you can have root access, however what this means is that ther are NO TRULY CUSTOM ROMS... think cyanogenmod and asop... also NO kernels, and no truly great upgrades...
dx is much better that evo .. however it is ristricted due to the encrypted bootloader... and no the bootloader will not be broken ....
plain and simple switch now to make sure you get unlimited 4g, or wait and take a chance, also again i would rec thunderbolt do to at least htc at this time is listening to its customers....
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So verizon would cut down your unlimited usage? WTF
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So verizon would cut down your unlimited usage? WTF
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Obviously you should get the Droid X 2
Unless you live in an LTE area, and are dying to have your battery absolutely demolished. Then, you should get the Thunderbolt.
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yea the battery normally sucks but i rooted my buddies and tweaked it a bit he is now getting 8 - 9 hours ( LoL) with moderate usage
he was getting 5 - 6
depends where you live. if you are in a 4g area, get a Droid Charge... the screen alone will win you over and it gets better battery life than the thunderbolt.
If no 4g, get the incredible 2.
Be warned however, Verizon is having lots of issues with their 4g network and/or 4g handsets.
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depends where you live. if you are in a 4g area, get a Droid Charge... the screen alone will win you over and it gets better battery life than the thunderbolt.
If no 4g, get the incredible 2.
Be warned however, Verizon is having lots of issues with their 4g network and/or 4g handsets.
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4G is in its infancy. No one has all the bugs worked out of there 4G . Give it a couple more years and it will be like 3G
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That's the plan well plan on getting a sprint phone w ics and LTE lol
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Keeping the faith on CM9.
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Without a doubt there will be a port for ICS on this phone. Money has it that even the G1 will get a working port.
Even if there isnt a port, I plan on keeping my evo until Sprint rolls out their LTE network and the new phones are out.
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Even if there isnt a port, I plan on keeping my evo until Sprint rolls out their LTE network and the new phones are out.
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That is my plan also.
My plan as well. I am not the type that needs to get a new phone at the drop of a hat, but when LTE rolls out on Sprint, that will be my queue.
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The only way I'll give my evo up is if they get any kind of towers up in my area beside the junk 3g service i get now. I'm just glad I can get wifi, in just about every inch of my town that is unsecured.
I'm keeping my EVO until i have the money to switch to AT&T for the Galaxy Nexus.
Sorry that you want to go to AT&T. Been there done that. And there is a reason why I am with Sprint now.
For the people waiting for the new phones, you wont get unlimited internet since you will have to change your plan.
And yes the EVO will get ICS. HTC may even release a version for it. They just have not committed to it yet. But don't get your hopes up.
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Sorry that you want to go to AT&T. Been there done that. And there is a reason why I am with Sprint now.
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I dunno what you experienced, but everyone around me in Dallas with AT&T is pulling 5mb+ on 3G. My buddy at A&M says he's pulled even faster speeds down there. Unlimited data doesn't mean squat at less than 150kbs.
Nope. Ill probably downgrade to a 3g only phone or even VirginMobile. I use like 600MB per month cuz im always on a wifi.
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Nope. I'd start working on the ICS build myself.
And even though this isn't the case, and CM9 is all but guaranteed to show up on the Evo (as it's in the top 3 devices they have users for, iirc), I'm still planning on helping out.
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For the people waiting for the new phones, you wont get unlimited internet since you will have to change your plan.
Source??
This is the only differentiator Sprint has and the only thing keeping me from heading to Verizon who has significantly better coverage in my area (even with my Airvana at home).
I don't see anything that says you lose unlimited internet for upgrading your phone and why would you need to change plans anyway??
Or are you saying Sprint isn't getting the new phones? or that you'll have to change plans when LTE rolls out?
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Don't really care much for ICS but I will be keeping my Evo until Sprint releases a decent WP7 LTE capable phone. (if ever)
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For the people waiting for the new phones, you wont get unlimited internet since you will have to change your plan.
Source??
This is the only differentiator Sprint has and the only thing keeping me from heading to Verizon who has significantly better coverage in my area (even with my Airvana at home).
I don't see anything that says you lose unlimited internet for upgrading your phone and why would you need to change plans anyway??
Or are you saying Sprint isn't getting the new phones? or that you'll have to change plans when LTE rolls out?
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He is talking about if u jump from sprint to Verizon since they don't have unlimited nor does anyone else n no way to get it and if ur not going to use 2 gigs. does the speed matter? I know it helps with youtube vids or whatever but youtube lags n sucks even on cable or dsl. What ull be able to load web pages faster woo exciting.
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HTC may even release a version for it. They just have not committed to it yet. But don't get your hopes up.
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Never happen.
CM9 or a good AOSP are our best bet. I've been giving the GS II 4G a long hard look, but a nice AOSP ICS build with 4G working would keep me happy for a while longer.
I'd dump Sense for ICS AOSP easy.
Hey, if ICS never get ported maybe we can hold out for Jelly Bean (j/k)
My EVO does everything I need it to do and I don't see any compelling reason to upgrade until sprint flips on the LTE switch in my area and pushes out a decent ICS/LTE phone. Of course by the time that happens Google will be prepping Marshmallow for release... I'm on wifi 99% of the day, though I can appreciate peeps agrivation with Sprint that do rely on mobile data. I suspect my EVO 4G will die with only about 5 minutes of Wi-Max use to it's credit. That makes me face a little.
Read today that the nexus 1 will not get an official release of ics due to hardware. Adreno 200 issues? I don't know. I'm sure there will be a port though.