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Sprint charge for 4G when there is no 4G,is this legal?

When I bought my Epic few Sprint sales rep told me that we will be getting 4G in Buffalo NY in october,here comes january still no 4G.
Well I went to sprint store and asked why they chargin me for 4G when we dont have it yet(and most times im getting 2g speed on 3g,lol).This is what they said "We are charging you for the fastest cpu,even though we dont have 4g speed the cpu pulls information so fast that its considered 4g"lmfao!So I told the dude "listen you can tell that to a child that was born yesterday" but he insisted that he knew what he was talking about,lol,in other words I dint get anywhere.Speaking to a different rep she told me something like that also,lol.And a third rep said some differet but equally outrageous sht.
So my question is:Is this legal for them to be bullshitng us like that?Because im thinking about going back to sprint store and recording that conversation,but what can I do with it?Sprint promised me 4G and on that bassis I droped Tmobile which was way faster than Sprint(5-7mbps vs sprint's 1-2mbps) and now Tmobile is even faster.So I droped my beloved tmobile and got Epic instead of Vibrant on a 4G promise and now im being charged for 4G that I dont have,lol.
Anyone have any advice?Can I return my Epic and can i be tooken off the contract and get my money back?

lots of threads online for it..basicly your SOL. its a "premium data" charge cuz your phone can do more is their recent quote. The sad thing is they are going after clearwire (which they own a major share of) because only like 10% of epic and evo owners live in 4g areas and they dont want to pay clear wire for every evo/epic. but they have no plans on removing the charge from us. So either ***** enough to get out of your contract and move to another carrier or deal with it. Also you could set you phone into roam only mode and talk non stop and DL on verizon and sprint will break the contract for you =)

Yes its legal, you signed the contract. They are being sued, so while its obvious they are charging you for 4g, they now describe the fee as paying for the advanced hardware and not actually the 4g.

muyoso said:
Yes its legal, you signed the contract. They are being sued, so while its obvious they are charging you for 4g, they now describe the fee as paying for the advanced hardware and not actually the 4g.
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For "advance hardware"lol,it says charges are for 4G.And how can they charge me for any hardware?I bought my Epic and its mine so how can they charge me for it?This is like telling a grown man about santa claus being real,lol.So they have a lawsuit already?If so how can I help.
Another question is it possible to flash my Epic to Verizon and use their LTE 4G or is it different frequency from WiMax?

lviv73 said:
For "advance hardware"lol,it says charges are for 4G.And how can they charge me for any hardware?I bought my Epic and its mine so how can they charge me for it?This is like telling a grown man about santa claus being real,lol.So they have a lawsuit already?If so how can I help.
Another question is it possible to flash my Epic to Verizon and use their LTE 4G or is it different frequency from WiMax?
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Lte and wimax are completely and utterly incompatible.
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lviv73 said:
For "advance hardware"lol,it says charges are for 4G.And how can they charge me for any hardware?I bought my Epic and its mine so how can they charge me for it?This is like telling a grown man about santa claus being real,lol.So they have a lawsuit already?If so how can I help.
Another question is it possible to flash my Epic to Verizon and use their LTE 4G or is it different frequency from WiMax?
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How can you help? Call up sprint and cancel your contract. Make it clear to them that you will not pay for a service you cannot use.
Otherwise, just pay the fee and realize that even without 4g you are getting a better deal than you would on any other wireless provider.

Darkstriker said:
Lte and wimax are completely and utterly incompatible.
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I know that I can flash Epic to Verizon,so I assume that only Verizon's 3g will function and no 4g?

lviv73 said:
I know that I can flash Epic to Verizon,so I assume that only Verizon's 3g will function and no 4g?
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The only way to do that is illegal. There is no "flashing" to verizon, as verizon does not offer the Epic. The only way to do it is by fuddling with ESN's and that is not legal.
Also, wait until you see the prices Verizon will put on its 4g service. Think they are gonna offer it for free? LOL.

lviv73 said:
For "advance hardware"lol,it says charges are for 4G.And how can they charge me for any hardware?I bought my Epic and its mine so how can they charge me for it?This is like telling a grown man about santa claus being real,lol.So they have a lawsuit already?If so how can I help.
Another question is it possible to flash my Epic to Verizon and use their LTE 4G or is it different frequency from WiMax?
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Yes they are charging you for the Premium Data Addon which all of their top end phones require...the Addon includes 4g, unlimited data, telnav gps, "honor of using a better phone on their network", "cool tax" and a few other things...its like when hotels have "Resort Fees" and include some things only 1% of the people use anyways...
Either way I personally don't mind the fee anymore..don't get me wrong I'm not exactly thrilled about it and find it dumb too..but I would rather have a $10 fee then tiered data like the other guys >.>
And yes FDD-LTE used on verizon and AT&T will be 700mhz, Wimax is 2.5ghz...

muyoso said:
How can you help? Call up sprint and cancel your contract. Make it clear to them that you will not pay for a service you cannot use.
Otherwise, just pay the fee and realize that even without 4g you are getting a better deal than you would on any other wireless provider.
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Yeah we do get best deal but not on internet speed,sometimes my 3g speed is only 70kbs and my 2g speed on ATT iphone 3g(2 years ago) was 80kbs,lol.
So yeah its the best deal unless your girfriend spends hours downloading movies feom megaupload.
Yeah I might go back to tmobile and get Vibrant,damn I realy did have high hopes for WiMax 4g but the way its lookin it might be another year or two before upstate NY gets it.

muyoso said:
The only way to do that is illegal. There is no "flashing" to verizon, as verizon does not offer the Epic. The only way to do it is by fuddling with ESN's and that is not legal.
Also, wait until you see the prices Verizon will put on its 4g service. Think they are gonna offer it for free? LOL.
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People that have sprint 4g dont pay extra for it.

OMG NOT AGAINNNNNNNNNNNN

gTen said:
Yes they are charging you for the Premium Data Addon which all of their top end phones require...the Addon includes 4g, unlimited data, telnav gps, "honor of using a better phone on their network", "cool tax" and a few other things...its like when hotels have "Resort Fees" and include some things only 1% of the people use anyways...
Either way I personally don't mind the fee anymore..don't get me wrong I'm not exactly thrilled about it and find it dumb too..but I would rather have a $10 fee then tiered data like the other guys >.>
And yes FDD-LTE used on verizon and AT&T will be 700mhz, Wimax is 2.5ghz...
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Tmobile dint have a data cap,i downloaded over 50gb one month,its unlimited.Sprint have 3 or 5gb data cap on their 3g but no data cap on 4g(convinient for them since almost nobody have 4g).

lviv73 said:
Tmobile dint have a data cap,i downloaded over 50gb one month,its unlimited.Sprint have 3 or 5gb data cap on their 3g but no data cap on 4g(convinient for them since almost nobody have 4g).
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T-mobile had a data cap of 5gb..but they dropped it in favor of throttling...aka if they see you having too much data multiple months they will throttle you...
As for sprint..they have unlimited 3g and 4g data..the data cap limits are on wireless cards..not cellphones....

They do now have a cap. All carriers have a "soft" cap, but Sprint if you have 4G doesn't have a cap. 3G has a soft cap.
bleh...

I sell phones for an indirect agent and we get grilled about that all the time. The fact of the matter is, you're usually going to pay less with Sprint, even with the Premium Data Add-on. It's for the 'big screen, fast processor, and access to the 4G network' is what I tell customers. You can look at it one of two ways- 1) They're charging you a mandatory fee for a hardware feature- not a network feature- so it's bogus. Without 4G you have no 'Premium Data' experience. 2) These two phones are far superior to any other offerings on Sprint- even the Optimus S doesn't really even come close. You're going to have a lot better internet experience than someone with one of the other phones- it will be measurably faster even on 3G.
What you have to ask yourself is- would you have a problem with them charging a lower rate for someone with a flip-phone to have unlimited internet than someone with an Android phone? If that doesn't seem to unreasonable, then realize that this isn't too much different.
In regards to the legality of it- you signed a contract, and that contract did not guarantee you would ever have WiMax in your area. The sales rep might have told you that, but it wasn't part of your contract. You can try really hard to be let out of your contract, and they might let you, but their position is (legally) sound.

Sprint doesn't have a cap for 4g because they don't know how much you use. This may have changed (doubt it), but they can't even look it up. I worked at sprint tech support for a year back when wimax was introduced to the networkm

Sprint doesn't have a cap for 3G or 4g.

blakerboy777 said:
I sell phones for an indirect agent and we get grilled about that all the time. The fact of the matter is, you're usually going to pay less with Sprint, even with the Premium Data Add-on. It's for the 'big screen, fast processor, and access to the 4G network' is what I tell customers. You can look at it one of two ways- 1) They're charging you a mandatory fee for a hardware feature- not a network feature- so it's bogus. Without 4G you have no 'Premium Data' experience. 2) These two phones are far superior to any other offerings on Sprint- even the Optimus S doesn't really even come close. You're going to have a lot better internet experience than someone with one of the other phones- it will be measurably faster even on 3G.
What you have to ask yourself is- would you have a problem with them charging a lower rate for someone with a flip-phone to have unlimited internet than someone with an Android phone? If that doesn't seem to unreasonable, then realize that this isn't too much different.
In regards to the legality of it- you signed a contract, and that contract did not guarantee you would ever have WiMax in your area. The sales rep might have told you that, but it wasn't part of your contract. You can try really hard to be let out of your contract, and they might let you, but their position is (legally) sound.
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And you have a tech job,lol.Cpu speed or ram amount dont have nothing to do with internet speed.No disrespect to you becuse youre probably reading this of sprint's manuscript.But anyone that has knowledge of electronics knows that this is bs that dont even makes sense to human brain.
I owned Behold 2 and MTS3gs with 600mhz cpu(phones half as powerful as Epic) and they both were almost as fast as sprint's 4g on tmobile's hsdpa network.You mean to tell me that sprint is charging me for 4G addon hardware inside Galaxy S Pro(Epic) that I bought and own?At least they can come up with a better sounding scam,and if sales rep promised a 4g that never came that should give a consumer a right to get out of contract.

Processor speed does affect Internet speed. You can load pages cached faster with a faster processor.

to everyone complaining about $10 add on

first of all, no sprint literature says the "$10 premium data" is for 4g access, the only reference to 4g is the phone names. I repeat, NO OFFICIAL SPRINT literature says the fee is for 4g access. You can call the charge what ever you want, but quit whining about sprint charging you for something you opted to purchase.
If you really have a problem with paying a small premium monthly for the best smartphone in the us right now, guess what you decided to buy it and sign the contract. there are plenty of other devices that do not require you to pay a premium. If you want to play, you gotta pay.
Sprint gives you unlimited data while on the sprint network, once again UNLIMITED DATA WHILE ON SPRINTS NETWORK, that includes evdo and wimax. You can make video calls while over sprints native data network, does att let you do that with the crabapple. NO, because it uses a ridiculous amount of data, the new skype app on the crabapple lets you make calls over 3g and with atts 2gb plan, it also eats those precious gigs faster than joey chestnut eating hot dogs on the 4th of july. so you pay $10 more than the base plan so $79 with UNLIMITED DATA, calls to all mobile phones in us, and messaging, as well as sprint nav (although pointless thanks to google nav). Do the math and see how much att will charge you to use 10gigs a month+unlim txt+calls+nav+insurance, $10 at that point seems petty.
There have been leaks of verizons pricing for lte access with phones and aircards, NOT UNLIMITED and more $ as well.
Also sprint plans to have every one of their cell sites supporting all of their technologies by 2015, and they do have the plans and infrastructure in place to switch to lte. Sprint owns more than twice of the spectrum that att and verizon own combined. So even when the competition can have lte up and running it will be alot more congested than sprint.
I am personally happy with the epic aside from not having newest software, but for the price i pay each month and the things i can do with my phone and not worrying about a crazy bill i wouldn't go anywhere else, but if your not happy you have choices and nobody is stopping you from getting what you feel is the best for you so quit complaining or get something different.

We don't need more of these threads. Will a mod please close them?

This general forum is just getting destroyed by people opening threads that have been hounded to death! where is the mod hiding at?
Sent from my Epic while i should be working

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We don't need more of these threads. Will a mod please close them?
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Agreed. I come here to learn new things about the Epic.. not to read about this crap..

Orbiting234 said:
My sentiments exactly. *****y whiners just need to simply STFU and get over it already!
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I completely agree with the OP, but I wouldn't go to say that all whiners need to STFU, their simply not understanding what their getting for the $10. Before signing up with Sprint, I went ahead and looked at all the other service providers plans. None even compare to Sprint. If its an extra $120 / year for Unlimited Data on one of the most badass phones that will soon have 4G in lots more areas that sounds like a steal to me. Verizon has their 4G LTE hotspot thing for like $50 / 5gb month. You could just tether your phone, get unlimited data on such a small premium and not worry about data caps. So once again I think Sprints service is a steal, we've been with Sprint for over 10 years and I have absolutely no complaints besides I agree with the OP on the late software.
Anyway stop whining about Sprints lousy $10 "Premium Data" fee. Your getting unlimited data on a top of the line phone!
-D3luSi0n4L

xTmDarren said:
Agreed. I come here to learn new things about the Epic.. not to read about this crap..
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Then move on to the next thread.

Who cares if Sprint has more spectrum, if it's not being used. who cares what Sprint charges if Wimax isn't available in ones area or you have to stand still, outside, to be able to use it.
No matter what Sprint has with Wimax, right now, it's more marketing then anything else. They've already admitted their "1st to 4G" has failed.
All I care about is being overcharged for something I can't access. And when I'm in an area where it's supposed to be available, it's so spotty, it's not even worth using. BTW, I nor anyone else on Sprint should be being charged $10 a month for premium data since we all have UNLIMITED Data. I also don't care what any other company charges since they're not the ones billing me.
In real world use, what good is a FFC on the Epic or Evo. How often does anyone use video conferencing? What makes the Epic so much better then any other Galaxy S phone in the US, a keyboard? Get real, that is a personal preference ... There's nothing more advanced about the Epic then any other Galaxy S phone. In fact, you could say the GSM galaxy S phones are better since they can do Video out. Evo ... Nothing wrong with the Droid X on VzW and where the Evo has a FFC, the Droid X has better battery life.
Bottom line is this, if you feel good about paying more then one should, go ahead and pay, but don't tell others they shouldn't complain. If you want others to accept the $10 Sprint fee, why don't you just pay it for us? If you feel Sprint's phones are so much superior then other phones on the market, good for you, but that's a personal thing.
Ok... I'm getting off my soapbox now... I think I've said enough for you to get my jest.

Love all the threads with people whining about other people whining. Vicious cycle.

Please do not make anymore ranting threads.
k thx bye!
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7 things Sprint is doing right

Some of the things Sprint now offers which, in my oppinion, sets the company apart from other cariers:
1. $125 credit for any new number ported to sprint. If you’re on a contract this will help you with that termination fee. I’ve gotten $150 for one of my friends who switched.
2. Truly unlimited data. Few months ago sprint removed their 5GB throttle and is now advertising it while others are limiting their users. This may not be true with their data devices but it’s true with all phones.
3. Free port of your sprint phone number to Google Voice. It used to cost $20 and you had to be off contract to avoid termination fees to be able to port it to Google Voice. Sprint is the first telecom company to partner with Google and offer this.
4. 30 return/cancel contract no questions asked. Again, Sprint was the first one to offer this. If you don’t like the service, they’ll take you off contract after you return the phone with no questions asked.
5. Switch plans without signing up for new contracts. Once again, another dumb rule got thrown out the window and now you can switch plans all you want.
6. Recent change in policy will now require all Sprint service stores to service rooted phones.
7. Recent change in policy will now allow you to remove some or all Sprint pre-installed apps.
And no, I’m not working for sprint.

True 4G? No, I don't think so.
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But they do charge an extra 10 dollars for 4g,and if T-Mobile does get gobbled up by att, who's to say if Verizon doesn't turn around and do the same to sprint...
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Great post, will definitely help inform people about sprint. Few things though. As far as unlimited data, the 5 gb cap still exists on 3g data, only 4g is uncapped. Also, nobody in USA has true 4g, not even Verizon's amazing LTE is true 4g. Wimax only pulls 10 Megs on average, thats about it. I think true 4g is like 4-6 x's that, or something. Either way, Sprint is not true 4g. You should also tell people the downside of sprint 4g, i.e., it really only works in cars/outside/or buildings with lots of windows. The bandwidth for Wimax doesnt penetrate at all.

I'm in Pittsburgh, so coverage isn't an issue with T-mobile, but let just say a couple things:
1. True 4g? Come on, lets be honest. If you're gonna pull that bull then Verizon is the only one with it.
2. If I remember correctly, Sprint's "4G" is actually slower than T-mobile's "3.5G", so it doesn't matter what it's called. I don't care if something's 10G if it provides lower speeds than 3G.
3. Sprint costs $40 for 4g, while right now I'm paying $20 for 4g (yeah I have a 3g phone, but that's not the point here).
4. Overall pricing is generally lower on T-mobile, so I think that's why several of us will stay. Once my contract is up 2 years from now, then I'll think about it (since a new contract would cost a lot more. Thanks AT&T&T)
That being said, I know sprint's coverage in other areas may be better, so experiences may differ. I thought I'd just offer my 2 cents

I prefer GSM phones

Sprint 4g is only $10 a month, their plans include data so its not 30 + 10. And I have to disagree with tmobile being cheaper. Sprint has unlimited plan starting at 69, add 4g you have unlimited evrything for less than 80 a month. Last time I was with tmobile I think unlimited plans were like 89 or 99. I am a huge fan of tmobile though and if they had a nexus s 4g also, I would go with them over sprint any day.
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I'm in Pittsburgh, so coverage isn't an issue with T-mobile, but let just say a couple things:
1. True 4g? Come on, lets be honest. If you're gonna pull that bull then Verizon is the only one with it.
2. If I remember correctly, Sprint's "4G" is actually slower than T-mobile's "3.5G", so it doesn't matter what it's called. I don't care if something's 10G if it provides lower speeds than 3G.
3. Sprint costs $40 for 4g, while right now I'm paying $20 for 4g (yeah I have a 3g phone, but that's not the point here).
4. Overall pricing is generally lower on T-mobile, so I think that's why several of us will stay. Once my contract is up 2 years from now, then I'll think about it (since a new contract would cost a lot more. Thanks AT&T&T)
That being said, I know sprint's coverage in other areas may be better, so experiences may differ. I thought I'd just offer my 2 cents
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Some valid points. Except that unlimited cap. The 5GB is gone. I'm not sure where you get that info.
I agree with the 4G being slow but wimax can be definitely faster than t-mobile 3.5G it's just, as I mentioned, sprint has been offering that for over a year now and has many devices on it. When a bunch of people access the same tower speeds go down. Hopefully they can expand and improve over time. So I disagree that it's all about speed. I think it's all about the technology which, with enough hardware/$$ can create a faster speeds.
As far as pricing goes... it changes from day to day but they are both competitive and offer low prices compared to the other two giants. But I think sprint's coverage all around is better. I guess it depends where you live.
Also, gsm is better in many ways but one thing it doesn't do well in contrast to cdma is switch between towers. Drive 70mph on a state highway while talking on a gsm phone and find out.

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Some valid points. Except that unlimited cap. The 5GB is gone. I'm not sure where you get that info.
I agree with the 4G being slow but wimax can be definitely faster than t-mobile 3.5G it's just, as I mentioned, sprint has been offering that for over a year now and has many devices on it. When a bunch of people access the same tower speeds go down. Hopefully they can expand and improve over time. So I disagree that it's all about speed. I think it's all about the technology which, with enough hardware/$$ can create a faster speeds.
As far as pricing goes... it changes from day to day but they are both competitive and offer low prices compared to the other two giants. But I think sprint's coverage all around is better. I guess it depends where you live.
Also, gsm is better in many ways but one thing it doesn't do well in contrast to cdma is switch between towers. Drive 70mph on a state highway while talking on a gsm phone and find out.
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It appears you are correct sir, 3g is not capped anymore either. Funny, it only lasted a few months. And it appears it was rarely enforced anyway.

I have to say I like sprint a lot. I bought the nexus s on T-Mobile after being lied to by their customer service that it was excellent cell and data coverage in my area. But after getting the phone, I had absolutely no coverage in my home....well to be honest I had 1 bar to none. Then the data was a joke...it was 2G.
I personally don't mind paying the $10 extra fee.
Sprint's plans is nice...and the 1500 minute family share plan is basically unlimited everything because you get free mobile to mobile minutes. I got ridof our house phone and got my wife and my daughter a cellphone....sprint is becoming a strong company...but this is all my opinion.
I'm sure people feel the total opposite and like T-Mobile, but to each their own.
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My biggest problem with sprint is the 3g speed ...wimax is fast but using it all the time sucks down battery...so most of the time you are using sprints slow 3g ....contrast that with T-Mobile where the speeds don't impact battery life or signal strength...on my nexus s I average 3mb down ...on sprint 3g I would be lucky to see 800kb down
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well for sprint users a reason to change to the nexus s could be to get away from the rude evo community

Something I don't understand is why people will stay in a contract for 2 years because they do not want to pay the early termination fee. I can understand if you do not have the money right now. Simple math tells you what the cheapest answer is. I will make up some fictitious numbers for my example. Which is cheaper, paying 300 dollars for the early termination fee, or paying your cellphone bill of let's say 50 dollars a month for the next 24 months. Now granted when you change carriers, your first months bill is going to be pretty high. The reason behind that is, you are paying for a phone, a prorated month, a regular month, and all the fees associated with starting a new account.
But all that added together is still cheaper than paying 1200 dollars for 2 years of service. I do understand the differences between long term and short term cost. I also understand that many people may not have enough money to make the switch now. Regardless of you switching now or later, you will still pay the same amount of money when starting a new line of service with a new carrier.

mikeyinid said:
Great post, will definitely help inform people about sprint. Few things though. As far as unlimited data, the 5 gb cap still exists on 3g data, only 4g is uncapped. Also, nobody in USA has true 4g, not even Verizon's amazing LTE is true 4g. Wimax only pulls 10 Megs on average, thats about it. I think true 4g is like 4-6 x's that, or something. Either way, Sprint is not true 4g. You should also tell people the downside of sprint 4g, i.e., it really only works in cars/outside/or buildings with lots of windows. The bandwidth for Wimax doesnt penetrate at all.
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As far as I know, no one in the world has true LTE yet. LTE theoretical shared rate is ~320 Mbit/s or ~172 Mbit/s in download and ~90 Mbit/s for upload, usually the "merchandised 4G" is a HSPA++ at 48 Mbit/s (where it can reach that rate) or some "early stage" 4G implementation as the entire standard involves deep core network changes.
At the moment it is... merchandise

Can someone explain if sprint is a mobile operator or another version of Nexus S.
I have nexus S bought with T-mobile, is it possible for me to get 4G on my phone? does it support 4G ?!?! If so, its Superb news, since we have 4G everywhere soon in Sweden.

mikeyinid said:
Sprint 4g is only $10 a month, their plans include data so its not 30 + 10. And I have to disagree with tmobile being cheaper. Sprint has unlimited plan starting at 69, add 4g you have unlimited evrything for less than 80 a month. Last time I was with tmobile I think unlimited plans were like 89 or 99. I am a huge fan of tmobile though and if they had a nexus s 4g also, I would go with them over sprint any day.
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Sprint's 69.99 is 450 minutes and unlimited data, + the $10 fee which they swear is not for 4g (and technically it's not since they slap it on all smartphones), so really their cheapest plan is 79.99 for 450 minutes and unlimited data.
T-mobile has basically the same plan for the same price, 500 minutes, unlimited data (yes you're throttled after 5gig but you're not cut off), 79.99 if you're on contract.
If you're NOT on contract (ie; you bought your phone outright), you can get the same package for 59.99 with an Even More Plus plan (basically if you aren't subsidizing your phone, and thus are not on a contract, your plans are $20 cheaper across the board). Sprint doesn't do this. Even if you finish your full contract time on sprint, you'll still pay the same 79.99 per month.
You really don't want to try and claim that Sprint is cheaper than Tmo, they are not. They're about the same if you're on a contract, and Tmo is about $20 cheaper if you're not on contract.
Ultimately in the end it boils down to who has better service in your particular area as to which carrier you prefer.
In my case, I had sprint, the voice service in my area was good, but the data speeds were terrible, so I switched to Tmo, who has excellent voice and data service where I live, and I pay less per month since I own my nexus-s.

all depends on who your calling sprint offers any mobile any time with that 450..
also for sprint family plans its 20 bucks a line +10 bucks if they are smart phones.. how much are they for tmobile?

Raver27 said:
But they do charge an extra 10 dollars for 4g,and if T-Mobile does get gobbled up by att, who's to say if Verizon doesn't turn around and do the same to sprint...
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Sprint no longer has the $10 fee
Tapa tapa tapa

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Sprint no longer has the $10 fee
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That is completely and totally false. Sorry.

Hey netarchy....
I thought tmo did away with off contract prices being 20 bucks cheaper? I can't find that anywhere on their site and I could have sworn that when I bought my nexus s the tmo reps telling me that buying it off contract won't save me on my monthly bills.
And yes sprint still hits you for the ten bucks a month.
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sprint's LTE maybe not unlimited??

if this true, i know alot of people will be leaving sprint. but it doesn't make sense, still unlimited data is the only reason to be with sprint. hopefully will be grandfather in and still have all the data we can eat.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Spri...E-could-lead-to-end-of-unlimited-data_id24120

tkeyes said:
if this true, i know alot of people will be leaving sprint. but it doesn't make sense, still unlimited data is the only reason to be with sprint. hopefully will be grandfather in and still have all the data we can eat.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Spri...E-could-lead-to-end-of-unlimited-data_id24120
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You can never be grandfathered in. When you upgrade your phone to LTE and sign a new contract it will have any new restrictions and price changes. Hopefully it will not happen but if it does they will still need to be cheaper than the competitors or their coverage issues will cause people to switch.

You can possibly just buy the phone at full price and keep your plan. Not sure how they are gonna handle the LTE guess we may find out in Jan.
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5FOOTER said:
You can possibly just buy the phone at full price and keep your plan. Not sure how they are gonna handle the LTE guess we may find out in Jan.
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Yes until your contract runs out and then they are free to change your plan or you sign a new contract with the new plan. If you upgrade riiiiiiighhhht before they change the plans then you can get almost 2 years out of it but doubt they would activate LTE and start selling LTE phones without the rates in place.

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Yes until your contract runs out and then they are free to change your plan or you sign a new contract with the new plan. If you upgrade riiiiiiighhhht before they change the plans then you can get almost 2 years out of it but doubt they would activate LTE and start selling LTE phones without the rates in place.
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that's incorrect, thats what should be the case, but its not ask anyone that had or has an data card, wifi hotspot with sprint. one day it was unlimited data the next day it wasnt. i was still under contract till next year.

tkeyes said:
that's incorrect, thats what should be the case, but its not ask anyone that had or has an data card, wifi hotspot with sprint. one day it was unlimited data the next day it wasnt. i was still under contract till next year.
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Ouch, that is worse. But doesn't it actually say unlimited data in our contract? Then that would get you out of an ETF anyway.

I don't think Sprint will get rid of unlimited data. Sprint has been advertising unlimited data for months and it is definitely a customer catcher, I mean just look at their latest commercial.
Them upgrading to LTE would simply make it even better .

Wild speculation from a no-name idiot "analyst". Did he even bother to read the executive summary of the Network Vision strategy update webcast?

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Wild speculation from a no-name idiot "analyst". Did he even bother to read the executive summary of the Network Vision strategy update webcast?
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Great post.
Let's face it, a lot of these "analyst" are just giving random thoughts based on speculation. We won't know until we get an official word, but I seriously doubt that sprint will be cutting unlimited.
Sprint has already officially said their network is handling all of it's users and not being stressed, especially with the iPhone not even touching the current 4G network, let alone LTE.

HanMan5000 said:
Great post.
Let's face it, a lot of these "analyst" are just giving random thoughts based on speculation. We won't know until we get an official word, but I seriously doubt that sprint will be cutting unlimited.
Sprint has already officially said their network is handling all of it's users and not being stressed, especially with the iPhone not even touching the current 4G network, let alone LTE.
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Sprint has promised to stay unlimited, maybe they'll throttle, but looking at their advertising campaign they better not or else they'll look like hypocrites.... Besides, if Sprint doesn't have unlimited, what's there to stay for? Nothing, and they know it.
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Ouch, that is worse. But doesn't it actually say unlimited data in our contract? Then that would get you out of an ETF anyway.
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maybe i talked to the wrong 3 ppl, it was $80 to get out of it, oh well. the crazy thing is that my clear internet is better then sprint. arent they using the same network.
the "analyst" and we doing the same thing just guessing, till sprint says their plans.

Lesser of evils: Verizon or T-Mobile?

I recently switched from T-Mobile to Verizon to get myself a Galaxy Nexus. I became severely ticked off when I found out that Verizon had messed with the wifi hotspot feature - it asked me to pay $20 per month to tether. I had been tethering for free with my Nexus One on T-Mobile. I thought phones branded as Nexus were supposed to be free from carrier modifications, but I guess that is no longer true.
This annoyance has sparked a deeper question for me of which company is the lesser of two evils, T-Mobile or Verizon. Verizon obviously has the coverage edge in the USA, but T-Mobile appears to have a less draconian business style. Being an idealist, I find it hard to give my money to Verizon. They are just too stubborn and usually do things that make me mad. T-Mobile seems a bit less harsh, but also may lack in coverage performance.
So, all of you fellow developers out there, to whom should I give my business, Verizon or T-Mobile? Please vote.

No brainer, TMOUSA!
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No brainer, TMOUSA!
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The thanks is more of a thumbs up lol
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Verizon. I can get better coverage, faster data if I wanna go 4g lte. And I can tether straight from cm7. No restrictions. Verizon is continuing to prove to me that they really ARE America's most reliable network. And I'm happy.
-My life is a shooting range, people never change-

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Verizon. I can get better coverage, faster data if I wanna go 4g lte. And I can tether straight from cm7. No restrictions. Verizon is continuing to prove to me that they really ARE America's most reliable network. And I'm happy.
-My life is a shooting range, people never change-
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I wouldn't mind Verizon, if they didn't do things like charge an extra $2 just to give them money.

MartyLK said:
I wouldn't mind Verizon, if they didn't do things like charge an extra $2 just to give them money.
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They retracted that fee because of customer backlash. You're fine.
I'm using Verizon now and am not having any issues whatsoever. Great coverage and it's only gone down maybe once the entire time that I've been with them.

CraigLloyd said:
They retracted that fee because of customer backlash. You're fine.
I'm using Verizon now and am not having any issues whatsoever. Great coverage and it's only gone down maybe once the entire time that I've been with them.
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I know the fee was retracted. But for a company to attempt that says a lot about their desired business practices.

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Verizon. I can get better coverage, faster data if I wanna go 4g lte. And I can tether straight from cm7. No restrictions. Verizon is continuing to prove to me that they really ARE America's most reliable network. And I'm happy.
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Most reliable...? Haven't they had like 3 data outages within the last month?
Yea, here's a link. http://techcrunch.com/2011/12/28/verizon-customers-dealing-with-third-data-outage-in-one-month/

If you get coverage with tmo, go tmo. It's cheaper, not as locked down, the customer service is better, it's just awesome. The second tmo gets a high end WP7 device from Nokia, I'm headed back.

T-mo USA for sure. Their CS is AMAZING compared to anyone else. Better prices, better phone selection. GMS > CDMA. Tethering is a smaller issue, but less of with T-mo. I am rocking a family plan that is custom/grandfathered thanks to T-mo. Basically unllimited everything, do't talk that much but everything is included.

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T-mo USA for sure. Their CS is AMAZING compared to anyone else. Better prices, better phone selection. GMS > CDMA. Tethering is a smaller issue, but less of with T-mo. I am rocking a family plan that is custom/grandfathered thanks to T-mo. Basically unllimited everything, do't talk that much but everything is included.
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I disagree about T-Mo's phone selection, at least here in the US. Verizon and AT&T definitely have a much larger selection. Verizon has more Androids and AT&T more WP7.

Both companies are evil. Verizon is just more likely to get away with it.

I've had my fair share of luck with VZW, but everyone has their own experiences.

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I disagree about T-Mo's phone selection, at least here in the US. Verizon and AT&T definitely have a much larger selection. Verizon has more Androids and AT&T more WP7.
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I agree. I'd actually put Verizon and maybe Sprint up there. AT&T still isn't completely on the ball with new phones. T-Mo not really up there.

Tmo.
one of the best customer service around and fair prices.
around my area I get better coverage then my friends on Verizon.
I'd have to say though far as latest phones go, Verizon has the best selection.
Tmous is getting better but not up to par to Verizon or Sprint, heck, AT&T too.
but they're starting to get pretty good phone selection as of late, which I'm happy about but definitely not there yet...
hopefully they make some serious strides on this front. it would make them complete.

T-Mobile may not be as "evil" as Verizon, but their network is an absolute joke compared to Big Red. Switching to Verizon from T-Mo was one of the best decisions that I made.

T-mobile is cheaper, and in New York, I'm pretty much covered. I've even gone so far as to get service while underground in a train station. Of course, Verizon is probably better in the coverage department.
I get 2gbs unlimited high speed data for 10$, and when that runs out, it just becomes regular internet without any extra fees. I've never went over 2 gigabytes of data. Never any lag or anything of that sort with data.
I've also been able to reduce my bill because of some unknown charges without any hassle. I've had great customer service, personally, although many others will justifiably argue otherwise.
T-mobile doesn't have the BEST arsenal of phones, but they usually get the ones I want.
I like my 60$ a month bill that includes unlimited messaging, data, and night/weekend minutes. Else where, I'd be paying close to 100$ for less than what I have now. Paying more for less doesn't sit well for me. =p

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Most reliable...? Haven't they had like 3 data outages within the last month?
Yea, here's a link. http://techcrunch.com/2011/12/28/verizon-customers-dealing-with-third-data-outage-in-one-month/
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I haven't been affected by that. When I am, ill change my stance.
-My life is a shooting range, people never change-

AT&T gave me my unlock code for my W810i over the phone. T-Mobile still hasn't email me my unlock code for my HD2 ! Been 5 days

Verizon is the most expensive and most restrictive carrier in the United States. CDMA phones are a nightmare. You can't import phones, they have the least amount of devs, they are huge into their bull**** "droid" line in which their biggest feature is a............locked bootloader! The nexus is even worse on verizon. Thicker housing, bad signal, verizon apps...Go ahead and talk about your LTE...most of us including myself get HSPA+ which is now supporting speeds up to 42 mbps. And really..with data caps, how many of us don't use wi-fi when we can? I can go on about this all day, Verizon is just that bad...