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Froyo Touch Screen Fix?

I suppose the rumors weren't true, then?

halorin said:
I suppose the rumors weren't true, then?
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I saw someone on here posting a quote about the multi-touch fix... lemme find it
by Paul22000:
Also "A scale gesture detector API provides improved definition of multi-touch events."
I wonder if that means the N1's multitouch axes will be fixed for gaming!

halorin said:
I suppose the rumors weren't true, then?
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since nobody has froyo yet, we dont know if it was fixed or not. i really hope they did though.

Thanks for the responses, guys. I guess in hindsight it might have been good to leave out any negative things in such a positive conference.
But still, some mention would have been comforting.

halorin said:
Thanks for the responses, guys. I guess in hindsight it might have been good to leave out any negative things in such a positive conference.
But still, some mention would have been comforting.
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I feel the same way halorin. It's natural to voice displeasure over something important missed in an update (I would have loved 360* rotation, colored trackball, fm radio, etc) but I know your happy about the update when it does occur and a great guy to have on the forum
All progress is still progress toward perfection, no matter how small.

Thing is, they were just demoing the OS, not device specific things like the N1's trackball & whether it has working FM etc.

Very valid point, Rusty.

Yup, each device will have their own seperate updates with device exclusive things.

Rusty! said:
Thing is, they were just demoing the OS, not device specific things like the N1's trackball & whether it has working FM etc.
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*in Kramer voice* ........ you just blew my mind...

ap3604 said:
I saw someone on here posting a quote about the multi-touch fix... lemme find it
by Paul22000:
Also "A scale gesture detector API provides improved definition of multi-touch events."
I wonder if that means the N1's multitouch axes will be fixed for gaming!
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That quote is from the highlights web page:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.html
The axis problem can never be fixed 100% because the hardware doesn't report enough info to do it for all cases, but currently it is pretty bad and I think better drivers/software could get it close. I believe that Cyanogen's ROMs have had some tweaks that have greatly improved its responsiveness for some time now so perhaps the Android engineers adopted similar fixes. It will hopefully get good enough over time that you'd have to know exactly how the sensors work and deliberately try to fool the drivers in order to get it confused.

I tested a nexus one on froyo today at google i/o, some things that were absent, colored track ball, touch screen wise they didn't have any multi touch analysis program installed, but just pinching around I don't detect any notable differences, so i'm guessing no to those 2 features on nexus, at least on their current build

I was also at I/O and while I did play with a few different Nexus Ones that were loaded with FroYo, I was unable to determine if any screen fixes were applied.
I asked a few times and each time I was politely told that they could not talk about anything that was not already made public (fair enough btw).
However, pinching and zooming on maps seemed to be smoother (not sure if it just my impression or some actual change) and it seemed to respond overall to my finger movements more smoothly.
Also, some games that I demoed on a few different Nexus Ones did employ finger gestures and those games functioned flawlessly from the touch perspective.
I am not sure that translates into any real fix or just my biases, but I am putting it out here for whatever it is worth.
Dan

dan1431 said:
I was also at I/O and while I did play with a few different Nexus Ones that were loaded with FroYo...
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Did you notice if there was 360 rotation? ie could you flip it from 12 to 3 O'Clock clockwise and get it to rotate to landscape when in a rotating app like Maps?

logger said:
Did you notice if there was 360 rotation? ie could you flip it from 12 to 3 O'Clock clockwise and get it to rotate to landscape when in a rotating app like Maps?
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I hate to admit this, but I did not even think about testing that feature.
Dan

Dorick said:
I tested a nexus one on froyo today at google i/o, some things that were absent, colored track ball, touch screen wise they didn't have any multi touch analysis program installed, but just pinching around I don't detect any notable differences, so i'm guessing no to those 2 features on nexus, at least on their current build
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Dorick, by any chance have you noticed wifi-n connection?

I'm almost certain from the API improvement and UI modifications listed on the Android SDK site that we have a software fix for the crazy multitouch issue.
Having said that, it means the screen won't go crazy when the paths "swap". But, it's still limited to two touchpoints and not 10 like the 3000 series screen.
A fix is a fix though. =)

Personally if the have fixed up pinch zooming somewhat and made it smoother that will cover me 99% of the way as I use the device so that will be pretty much a fix assuming we actually see it in the official N1 rom.

HD2 Multi Touch?

Sorry that I keep asking noob questions today! I was wondering does the HD2 have multi touch in Android? Dont really care about Windows mobile. For stuff like pinch to zoom in browser or games like Nova with need multi touch?
Thanks.

Pinch to zoom on browser, maps ect. Yes.. as far as the game Idk..
Sent from my HTC Vision HD2

edit: never mind my previous post. forgot we were talking about android.
afaik multitouch on hd2 with android works pretty good everywhere. cant remember any games in particular, but it works everywhere else that it should work

runningdap said:
well, the answer is both yes and no...
hd2's captive screen allows multitouch, but because winmo is a really old OS they didn't really updated it so that it supports multitouch 100%.
On the other hand, if you run android on hd2, you can see multitouch working pretty good though.
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Great thanks to both of you that is great to hear! If someone wants to tell me it works in games too I would be super happy. Not just Nova that was just the first multi touch game that came to mind.

multitouch works with newton cradle at least.

HD2 Does not support True multi touch. As you can see when you touch both finger on screen then when both finger on the same line your multi touch will freeze. USe market multitouch visulisation 2 to test it and you will know what i mean.

i think it assumes two fingers but more it doesn't work. does desire hd solve this isue?

devilonline said:
i think it assumes two fingers but more it doesn't work. does desire hd solve this isue?
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Yes, the DHD is able to recognize up to 4 fingers and thus 4 different moves.
That's because of the built in clearpad 3000. It even supports up to ten fingers. But this depends on the driver.

the quest for 720p recording

Ok forum, the hd2 has gone long enough with its crappy VGA limited video recording. There is no need to ask if the hardware supports it because we all know it can. Contrary to popular beliefs hd2 owners must remember that the hd2 is a software sandwich. To the core it is using HTC SOFTWARE AND DRIVERS THEN AFTER THAT.....windows 6.whatever is placed to interact with the now easier to work with software to hardware communication enviorment (thanks to HTC ) and after that we have our nicely polished sense ui interface floating over it all.this is why going from a HTC sense shortcut to and HTC application is ALOT smoother than HTC sense to winmo (without a mask). Why am I telling you guys this? Because most hd2 users are unaware how this process even works. I did not create this thread to hear questions of "why can't we get this working on our hd2? D: I know blahblahblah phone that can ....." if you read enough threads you will see that is not what contributes to solving the answer. What does is trying your own experiments with solving the problem and reporting your method and experience with the thread you are concerned with.
Now that that's. Said, lets move on to our main topic. There are many presumed. Ways to go about trying to enable HD recording including redgistry editing, writing new applications, or where I am looking into, writing additional camera drivers. As of now it stands that there is no alternative camera application for the hd2 and I have a pretty good idea why. Any. App you. Download from the marketplace. Or wherever only needs the camera to take a picture of whatever so that it can utilize the file itself afterwards. There is nothing that involves the live use of the camera itself. This also gives you and idea of how this camera app sits within the software itself. To any chefs that may read this, next time your ROM cooking make a duplicate of your camera software and share it with this thread for users to experiment with(that's if you an isolate it with your kitchen). With that said, afterwards, those who are seriously looking into solving this problem should also get some driver knowledge under their belt. With this you can actually contribute by experimenting on your own with the camera software. Remember if you want a solution its best to tackle the problem yourself. It gets things done alot faster because you are not as reliant on OTHERS to come up with the next big thing.

This is communicate a lot of times in the past, no feedback/changes at this time

From what I've read, WM 6.5 doesn't support 720p video recording. The only way forward for 720p on the HD2 is WM7 or Android. For now, Android is the closest... there are several Android ports available already and video recording is already working up to 800x480.

1080p would be better..... haha, why not 1080p? ur all hopeless lol

wow OP, such a well thought out post, and then posted in the wrong forum!!!
I am of the impression that if 720p recording was possible on the hd2, the great developers of xda would have done it by now.

nrfitchett4 said:
wow OP, such a well thought out post, and then posted in the wrong forum!!!
I am of the impression that if 720p recording was possible on the hd2, the great developers of xda would have done it by now.
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It's true but if the hd2 was an android phone 720p recording would be no problems cause they have the drivers for that. Windows mobile doesn't support that resolution but android or windows phone 7 do. It's all about the drivers there is no driver for windows mobile 6.5 that includes that feature. This feature is all up to windows to support not htc.

Sadly this is an illusion winmo can't support it. The device can play back 720p videos. And it is capable of recording as well. The way this works is that winmo simply is a mediator between your files and digital interaction with the hardware. It controls what is on and what is off however is NOT responsible. For intaking data from the camera device itself. That is where the difference lies between a device like the Neo touch and the hd2(as far as playback is concerned) but like I said beforehand, it all comes down to editing the camera application Itself. As for ..720p on android builds, you need to remember that these are essentially roms. From other devices ducktaped by Linux on the device. Its the equivalents of cutting an oak down to the exact size of an apple tree but you may never get apples from it nomatter how identical it looks. Granted there are still improvements. To be made but as it stands 720p recording still needs more looking in to by both our current developers and those to be aka YOU GUYS. so time to crack open your programming Theory books.....
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impossible?
720p recording needs to be developed From my point of view it's only matter of software that will provide this function. Many times I saw that miracles tend to happen in xda forum so I'm very optimistic of this topic. I think that it's right topic, because a lot of people look here for new roms, so the answer will come more quickly what is cotulla's opinion?

there is more information about 720p camera recording
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719315&highlight=720p

Yes I know that threads purpose was moved here in a more focused manner of enabling the stock hd2 not android. If you can see I've already tagged the thread up and and as for cotulla, he is very busy with yet another ground breaking project of running windows mobile 7 on the hd2. It would be great if we had his support however there are times in life we have to figure things out without an XDA legend holding our hands.
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ian_uk1975 said:
From what I've read, WM 6.5 doesn't support 720p video recording. The only way forward for 720p on the HD2 is WM7 or Android. For now, Android is the closest... there are several Android ports available already and video recording is already working up to 800x480.
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Wrong, here is why: when you go to home depot and buy a washing machine, can you carry it home? Not unless your Superman. You need a strong truck that can carry it for you. Winmo can't handle 720p files by itself, that's where HTC drivers and a 1ghz processor compensate. On the device itself winmo just has to know what goes where and "how to drive the truck"
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Multitouch problems...

Hi,
how is your experience with multitouch on the HD2? For me many games with multitouch don't work correct. Multitouch zooming works, but also doesn't really really work perfect.
How is your experience? Is this a hardware problem of the HD2 as WM6.5 didn't support multitouch so this wasn't necessary? Or is this a driver problem that might be improved by other WP7 roms?
max

maxpg said:
Hi,
how is your experience with multitouch on the HD2? For me many games with multitouch don't work correct. Multitouch zooming works, but also doesn't really really work perfect.
How is your experience? Is this a hardware problem of the HD2 as WM6.5 didn't support multitouch so this wasn't necessary? Or is this a driver problem that might be improved by other WP7 roms?
max
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WP7 is designed for 4 point multitouch and the HD2 is only 2 point. Just dont put your fingers so close together.

For me it doesn't even really work with 2 Fingers. When I have a game where i have to press a "button" for right and another "button" on the other end of the screen to jump this doesn't really work...

jase33 said:
WP7 is designed for 4 point multitouch and the HD2 is only 2 point. Just dont put your fingers so close together.
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you really don't know what you are talking about , how an os with 4 point multitouch won't recognize two points accuratly , it is just driver issue

[Q] Multitouch

no news about multitouch fix?

nikola360 said:
no news about multitouch fix?
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I personally think its very unlikely you will get any fix, the reason being, we are not ment to have this on our devices, we have slight differences to our phones that will complicate things. Multitouch its self is very different on teh HD2, being only 2 fingers.
WP7 isnt like WM, as it stands you cant chop and change ROMS, to make newer/more stable ones

dazza9075 said:
I personally think its very unlikely you will get any fix, the reason being, we are not ment to have this on our devices, we have slight differences to our phones that will complicate things. Multitouch its self is very different on teh HD2, being only 2 fingers.
WP7 isnt like WM, as it stands you cant chop and change ROMS, to make newer/more stable ones
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yet .

Not sure the hd2 will ever have more than 2 point multitouch, its a hardware issue, the wp7 phones all have at least 4 point multitouch.
Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express

THUDUK said:
Not sure the hd2 will ever have more than 2 point multitouch, its a hardware issue, the wp7 phones all have at least 4 point multitouch.
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ir's not 4 point we're going for, it's stable working 2 point that we want. By the time 4 point is actually useful and common, all of the current WP7 devices will have obsolete hardware anyways

THUDUK said:
Not sure the hd2 will ever have more than 2 point multitouch, its a hardware issue, the wp7 phones all have at least 4 point multitouch.
Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express
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On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))

avpenkov said:
On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))
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yes and who is going to develope and release a driver for an old device that isnt even supposed to have WP7 on it?
at the very best, we can get a driver that is pretty much compatible with our device but since its not for our device we cant expect it to work properly.

avpenkov said:
On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))
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The digitizer itself is limited to two point multi-touch. Its a hardware limitation not a software one, and it isn't anything that can be patched with a driver.

No, the two point multi-touch is software limited. See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651877
Is it possible to make a new driver for WP7 on the HD2?

Hawkon said:
No, the two point multi-touch is software limited. See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651877
Is it possible to make a new driver for WP7 on the HD2?
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No it is hardware limited, that post has been proven wrong.
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avpenkov said:
On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))
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Since when has Android working 4 point multitouch on Leo? At least for me not even 2 Point multitouch is working perfectly fine on Android e.g. the axes problem...

Hawkon said:
No, the two point multi-touch is software limited. See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651877
Is it possible to make a new driver for WP7 on the HD2?
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Did you actually read that post? The proof in that post is the word of some random customer service rep. While every actual developer who has worked with the HD2 touchscreen, including cotulla, who wrote the drivers for android port, have said that they are sure that it's a hardware limitation of 2 point multitouch.

Ok, sry. I just took a quick look at it, but anyways, the driver for WP7 is a bit buggy when using 2 fingers.
On my device it often jumps back and forth...

I find it truly amazing anyone would be interested in WP7 on the HD2 without a usable multitouch at least partly working. Having to press both fingers on the screen at exactly the same time makes playing even the most simple multitouch games almost impossible and even browsing and photo viewing becomes a chore. Then you have current fundamental omissions like copy/paste and you are left with a phone operating system which is little more than a joke when used on the Leo.
Still, each to their own but if you like the interface that much just use Launcher 7 on Android.

^Why are you here? Just looking for an opportunity to slate wp7?^

No, I'm discussing the subject at hand, which is multitouch and WP7's lack of it when run on the Leo.
Hope that helps.

Pagnell said:
No, I'm discussing the subject at hand, which is multitouch and WP7's lack of it when run on the Leo.
Hope that helps.
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im just sick of hearing about how much better android is in these forums

Pagnell said:
I find it truly amazing anyone would be interested in WP7 on the HD2 without a usable multitouch at least partly working. Having to press both fingers on the screen at exactly the same time makes playing even the most simple multitouch games almost impossible and even browsing and photo viewing becomes a chore. Then you have current fundamental omissions like copy/paste and you are left with a phone operating system which is little more than a joke when used on the Leo.
Still, each to their own but if you like the interface that much just use Launcher 7 on Android.
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multitouch works ok in many games and apps I think... I'll have to do some testing to make sure, but I thought it was only when trying to pinch to zoom that you had to get both fingers on screen at once. The multitouch on the HD2 doesn't really ruin much on WP7... I usually don't notice. But maybe I'm just not trying enough apps.