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hey guys, i think i am trying to to install a new rom. what i am trying to do is dual boot wm 6.5 and android, if thats possible, i have tried searching for stuff, but i get not enough info in some places, and too much in others, here are some links to stuff i have found so far:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733752&highlight=registry+editor
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653614&highlight=android
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7088391&postcount=4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732380
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=609477
can anyone help me out with this? its a lot of info for me, and i dont know what to do/ look at
i have read all the newbie and noob posts out there, so dont tell me to go read them
id like someone to tell me exactly what to download and how to run it to effectivly get android running on my device, dual boot if possible, id like to keep wm 6.5 but also have android. id also like to have a back up rom that is completly "stock" unless a hard reset will erase everything and put it back to "stock" incase i need to sell the device, or just go back.
im sure i am missing a few things, so any help would be greatly appreciated, i really need to get this done, because as of right now, i am not to happy with my device with just wm 6.5 and i cant afford to take a loss and sell it back...
i also may be wrong with some of my terminology, so what i understand is with dual booting i can run wm 6.5 just like i have now and use CHT and stuff, or i can run an android UI like the real android devices?
like i said, any help would be greatly appreciated, and i really need to get this accomplished,
thanks,
PBLeonidus
come on, now one knows how to get android running on their device?
please, i need help with this!
also, how or where can i get a registry editor? preferably a .cab file?
dont worry i got it working. thanks for all the help from those that posted! (obviously being sarcastic as no one posted anything)
if any one wants to know, i used max energy Co0kie Energy ROM
with the latest froyo stone android file thing
and a dual booter, ran into a few issues, but got it working
pbleonidus said:
dont worry i got it working. thanks for all the help from those that posted! (obviously being sarcastic as no one posted anything)
if any one wants to know, i used max energy Co0kie Energy ROM
with the latest froyo stone android file thing
and a dual booter, ran into a few issues, but got it working
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wow, you expect us to solve all your problems in 24 hours, on the weekend no less? How much do you think we are getting paid for this?
Glad you got it figured out. Next time, you could try posting in the regular hd2 section as well, seems to be more traffic there.
pbleonidus said:
dont worry i got it working. thanks for all the help from those that posted! (obviously being sarcastic as no one posted anything)
if any one wants to know, i used max energy Co0kie Energy ROM
with the latest froyo stone android file thing
and a dual booter, ran into a few issues, but got it working
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So you're bothered by the fact we didn't give you the answers quick enough, to something that you obviously had the ability to work out on your own? That points to the fact you didn't do enough to help yourself, before posting your question...something the rules here specifically address.
sirphunkee said:
So you're bothered by the fact we didn't give you the answers quick enough, to something that you obviously had the ability to work out on your own? That points to the fact you didn't do enough to help yourself, before posting your question...something the rules here specifically address.
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i did several hours of searching before i posted this, and after a lot of dead ends and frustration, i posted the question, but i continued to search after i posted, which led me to my answer.
and i dont think you guys get paid anything, i just would have expected at least one person to post something, helpfull or not, i just found it weird that no one said anything, not even "i am interested in this as well" or something like "good luck" that i see in other posts....
There's nothing weird you just don't have enough patience to wait for replies. Anyways, good to see that you actually utilized the search function. There's a dedicated android on hd2 forum here on xda. You should have posted your question there.
pbleonidus said:
i did several hours of searching before i posted this, and after a lot of dead ends and frustration, i posted the question, but i continued to search after i posted, which led me to my answer.
and i dont think you guys get paid anything, i just would have expected at least one person to post something, helpfull or not, i just found it weird that no one said anything, not even "i am interested in this as well" or something like "good luck" that i see in other posts....
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sent from android on hd2 using xda app
pbleonidus said:
and i dont think you guys get paid anything, i just would have expected at least one person to post something, helpfull or not, i just found it weird that no one said anything, not even "i am interested in this as well" or something like "good luck" that i see in other posts....
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We dont. It was sarcasm. Hes saying hes not getting paid to help you, so dont get upset when you dont get an answer... This is the internet. Dont expect things from anyone. Just relax and wait. Sometimes, depending on the question, it can take days, weeks to get an answer. If you need people to hold your hand and wish you luck, try the Disney forum.
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We dont. It was sarcasm. Hes saying hes not getting paid to help you, so dont get upset when you dont get an answer... This is the internet. Dont expect things from anyone. Just relax and wait. Sometimes, depending on the question, it can take days, weeks to get an answer. If you need people to hold your hand and wish you luck, try the Disney forum.
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haha, very funny, i know it was sarcasm, i just gave a serious answer...
i didnt expect anyone to hold my hand or give me an answer, i just would have thought some one would have something about something, like i said before, a lot of times people say good luck, or id be intersted in this too... i found it weird that no one said anything. i know you guys are mad because you couldnt understand my sarcasm, and that i was able to figure it out for myself. how come when i needed help no one said anything, but now that i have it figured out, you guys rant about me wanting everything handed to me, when thats not the case?
mods, please close thread, i got the problem fixed, and there is no need for this thread anymore...
pbleonidus said:
dont worry i got it working. thanks for all the help from those that posted! (obviously being sarcastic as no one posted anything)
if any one wants to know, i used max energy Co0kie Energy ROM
with the latest froyo stone android file thing
and a dual booter, ran into a few issues, but got it working
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and i didnt mean anything negative by this, i wasnt mad at anyone, i was just trying to be a little funny by throwing some sarcasm in there...
i am terribly sorry that you guys have no sense of humor and couldnt understand that... i though forums where supposed to be friendly, and people were supposed to be able to say funny and or sarcastic things without somone jumping on their back...
once again, please close thread.
it's all good in here man. We all just get a little bit of newbieitis where the only cure is to lash out at the newbs.
There is a lot to learn on this forum and by the time you learn it all, your device is out of date.
It seems you wanted to figure it all out in a night. Been using WinMo for about 2-3years now and I still don't have a clue most of the time.
pbleonidus, if that comment was just tongue-in-cheek, then it's all good, no harm no foul. Those types of comments are near-impossible to tell the difference between light-hearted and just disrespectful....and believe me, we get FAR more of the latter type in here...and that does tend to strike a bit of a raw nerve with those here who go to a lot of effort to help others.
So, a lesson in this for all of us: you're apparently not the type of snarky jerk that we run across so often, and we're not always able to generate answers as quickly as you might expect. Cool? Cool.
I'll get this thread closed for you.
Thread closed as requested.
WB
Is there a way to resign the APKs generated by Googles App Inventor? (if you change, say the icon)
Couldn't you just use the testsign.jar?
evilkorn said:
Couldn't you just use the testsign.jar?
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I don't know what this is.
You mean I should change the name of the apk to testsign.jar? Or is it something I should find somewhere?
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=testsign.jar
Thanks for nothing.
If anybody actually wants to help feel free to post.
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Thanks for nothing.
If anybody actually wants to help feel free to post.
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...be nice. He was trying to help.
Ok, so I just done a search for "testsign android" and the 1st link is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3175518&postcount=2
.... I think that'l help.
ddotpatel said:
...be nice. He was trying to help.
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No. Helping would be saying "You do this "insert explanation". Just posting that is trolling. He might as well have posted "oil platform, platypus, beetle" it tells me nothing, and I have no idea what it is and searching for it is no help at all. As always if people don't want to help that's fine but they should shut up then.
ddotpatel said:
Ok, so I just done a search for "testsign android" and the 1st link is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3175518&postcount=2
.... I think that'l help.
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That thread is about making a theme, I don't want to make a theme. I want to sign an apk (actually I want to change an ICON but someone says you have to sign the apk whatever that means).
(Also note first line: "you will need a working knowledge of android, adb,how to resign apk's" - I don't have that, I don't have that, I don't know how to do that!)
Anyway, unsubbing this thread.
Perhaps the problem was using "sign" in the subject.
I shall make a new post with a more newbish title.
@Kermode
You want to do something, but don't want to get knowledge on how to do that, because this is too much for you. Not everything could be explained in two words.
If it means reading hundreds of threads with hundreds of irrelevant and offtopic messages, yes then it is too much for me. If it meant reading a concise page with only relevant information, perhaps it wouldn't be too much.
And whilst two words are enough for nothing, everything can be reduced to a relatively short core meaning.
Ok, I think easiest way is to:
unzip apk file
find and replace an icon
remove META-INF dir
zip everything back and name it as *.apk
sign it: you could search for testsign tool or look here: http://d.android.com/guide/publishing/app-signing.html . Most important for you are "Obtain a suitable private key" and "Sign your application with your private key".
Kermode said:
If it means reading hundreds of threads with hundreds of irrelevant and offtopic messages, yes then it is too much for me. If it meant reading a concise page with only relevant information, perhaps it wouldn't be too much.
And whilst two words are enough for nothing, everything can be reduced to a relatively short core meaning.
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PEOPLE like you really piss me off on forums...you dont bother looking up information like you should, your very disrespectful, and from what ive seen your an all around! Sorry for my language MODS but someone has to say it. You should learn your spot and if you wanna learn how to resign then look as there are plenty of threads. You just want someone to give you everything and do it the easy way. Sometimes in order to do things you must do your homework which apparently you cant do.
For the way you acted to the other guy i would suggest that NO ONE help this guy and let him learn how to do it by himself Since he pretty much just said he isnt gunna look through threads he wants it handed to him(look at the post above)!
PEOPLE like you disgust me!
@OP:
Sufficient responses have been provided to an improperly titled thread.
XDA is about knowledge and experiences whilst using a particular device, application, or custom (tweak) work. As such, you will encounter numerous posts in threads that may provide less relevance than others within the same thread - it is your responsibility to "filter" past such posts ... this is no different than any other Forum you may frequent.
Additionally, there is an option in your profile to view up to 50 posts/screen page ... this greatly helps filter more content at once.
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Ive never been this frustrated in trying to find how to guides before. Damn it Im just trying to figure out how to install MIUI on my bell sgs2 stock ugkg2 2.3.3 phone. Do I need to update my firmware first and if so with which one since there isnt a bell sgs2 update yet and once i download this firmaware, how the heck to I extract it since they have a password and samsung-firmwares.com does not work for password. /end rant
First you need a rooted kernel which you have to flash with odin. Either cf-root or hellcats or nimph kernel. The first thing after using are rooted is to BACKUP YOUR EFS FOLDER! Then boot into cwm and install MIUI zip from there.
There is a QA thread here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1238494
For guide on how to flash the kernel have a look in cf-root kernel thread. For easy efs backup use hellcats application or manually do it, with the instructions in the relevant thread.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium
Great thanks for the reply but how do I extract KG6 2.3.4 firmware? All the firmware Ive downloaded through Samfirmware.com so far has asked for a freaken password!?!?! and I dont have the slightest clue on where to find this password. Ive tried samsung-firmwares.com without any luck..../frustrated tweeker
Daniels45 said:
Great thanks for the reply but how do I extract KG6 2.3.4 firmware? All the firmware Ive downloaded through Samfirmware.com so far has asked for a freaken password!?!?! and I dont have the slightest clue on where to find this password. Ive tried samsung-firmwares.com without any luck..../frustrated tweeker
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That's because, as you said, you are a bloody noob. If you would have spent more than 20 seconds looking, you would have either find the password (even with google, the first result has it), either the thread explaining how to install it.
These forums have thousands (guessing) of members, imagine if everyone were an idiot like you, and posting **** like this, they would have to close it down.
password is: samfirmware.com
MIUI install instructions are here
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That's because, as you said, you are a bloody noob. If you would have spent more than 20 seconds looking, you would have either find the password (even with google, the first result has it), either the thread explaining how to install it.
These forums have thousands (guessing) of members, imagine if everyone were an idiot like you, and posting **** like this, they would have to close it down.
password is: samfirmware.com
MIUI install instructions are here
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Its responses like this that show me how classless this place has become. Who the hell do you think you are ? Dont you think I havnt googled for the password first before asking here ?!?! I dont need 12 year old immature snob insults. Rather Im looking for mature, friendly, understanding responses from ADULT people who understand what it is to be a noob and that fast answers are not always easy to find, espeicailly when your new to the world of Android tweaking....thakns for nothing chump.!
Clicky here.
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Clicky here.
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Yes Im a newb and yes being a newb makes me look like Im an idiot to you know it alls but does that mean you have to be an asshole ?? I saw that video and I laughed my ass off but still, I dont wanna spend weeks looking for information that can be given in minuts !! I tried looking for quick and easy answers but nothing quite comes cloes to what i looking for. Just trying to fing the freaken password to extract kg6 firmware was a bloody pain in the but....btw samfirmware.com does not work
Daniels45 said:
Its responses like this that show me how classless this place has become.
Unfortunately its true driven mainly by users who wont search and fail to read instructions and want it all handed to them on a plate with repetitions of the same questions day after day .
I see no way around this problem as FAQS etc and rules are not read so the genuine user who asks a question as you did gets treated as if they could not be bothered to search read etc .It is partly due to the number of twelve year olds with Smartphones .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1238494
jje
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JJEgan said:
Daniels45 said:
Its responses like this that show me how classless this place has become.
Unfortunately its true driven mainly by users who wont search and fail to read instructions and want it all handed to them on a plate with repetitions of the same questions day after day .
I see no way around this problem as FAQS etc and rules are not read so the genuine user who asks a question as you did gets treated as if they could not be bothered to search read etc .It is partly due to the number of twelve year olds with Smartphones .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1238494
jje
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The problem Im having is first Im clueless in regards to android phones and 2nd lots of the information Ive been able to find in regards to rooting/upgrading firmware/updating roms are conflicting so that makes me insecure (I dont wanna brick my phone) 3rd I havnt been able to find...so far...explicit information that enables me to download and extract firmware with password for my bell ugkg2 SGS2.
Looks like Im gonna stick with stock till I can find a guide that goes through all the loops that a canadian bell user like me has to go through to upgrade firmware to 2.3.4 and upgrade to the latest MIUI.....
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As a fellow Canadian and a fellow user of the Samsung Galaxy S2 from Bell, I know these phones inside and out due to hours and hours and hours and hours and weeks and days and more hours and more hours and more hours......of research. I have no problem helping you out unlike that other character who is too much of a prick to help anybody out. Let me know if you still need my help. I don't mind taking you under my wing and showing you the ropes of our beasts and the wonderful world of Android.
jaybeno said:
As a fellow Canadian and a fellow user of the Samsung Galaxy S2 from Bell, I know these phones inside and out due to hours and hours and hours and hours and weeks and days and more hours and more hours and more hours......of research. I have no problem helping you out unlike that other character who is too much of a prick to help anybody out. Let me know if you still need my help. I don't mind taking you under my wing and showing you the ropes of our beasts and the wonderful world of Android.
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Thanks man for being a NICE guy...something people around here need to work on...Ok heres what Im trying to do. I wanna install the latest MIUI rom but from what Ive read, its needs 2.3.4 firmware. I downloaded KG6 firmware but Im unable to extract it du to password limitations and thats where Im stuck at.
Daniels45 said:
Thanks man for being a NICE guy...something people around here need to work on...Ok heres what Im trying to do. I wanna install the latest MIUI rom but from what Ive read, its needs 2.3.4 firmware. I downloaded KG6 firmware but Im unable to extract it du to password limitations and thats where Im stuck at.
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Bro, if you want MIUI you have to do TWO simple simple things from your stock bell state
go look for cfroot kernel thread (ill try to find it and link it for you) use the ones for kG2 firmware, this will root your phone and install CWM (the recovery needed to flash custom roms) this will root your phone on the bell firmware no stock required!
once this is done, download the latest miui zip, put on phone sd. boot into recovery and flash that mofo
You actually dont need stock/ kg6 at all to flash custom roms, but it is nice to learn how to use it for the sake of going back to stock!
I'm not changing my mind. They can take all noobs under their wings, but when I see incompetent idiots like you, I can't control myself. The password is on the same download page you got the file from, and I've already told you. You're here because you're bored, and you want attention, and you spent less than one minute searching for your answer. I know I am aggressive sometimes, but I do help people who put in some effort for something they want. I am also a beginner, so I'm not patronizing you, but what you failed to achieve has nothing to do with android at all. Now stop being a moron and creating a drama.
TheSaw said:
I'm not changing my mind. They can take all noobs under their wings, but when I see incompetent idiots like you, I can't control myself. The password is on the same download page you got the file from, and I've already told you. You're here because you're bored, and you want attention, and you spent less than one minute searching for your answer. I know I am aggressive sometimes, but I do help people who put in some effort for something they want. I am also a beginner, so I'm not patronizing you, but what you failed to achieve has nothing to do with android at all. Now stop being a moron and creating a drama.
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I understand you, but you shouldnt be this agressive. You could ignore this or just tell him to read the faq at samfirmwares. Just my opinion.
Daniel, posts like yours looks like spam as there is tons of posts asking for the same thing over and over. Try to read a bit more, start with the faqs.
About root and roms, start reading:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1134290
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075278
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1130951
Good luck
TheSaw said:
I'm not changing my mind. They can take all noobs under their wings, but when I see incompetent idiots like you, I can't control myself. The password is on the same download page you got the file from, and I've already told you. You're here because you're bored, and you want attention, and you spent less than one minute searching for your answer. I know I am aggressive sometimes, but I do help people who put in some effort for something they want. I am also a beginner, so I'm not patronizing you, but what you failed to achieve has nothing to do with android at all. Now stop being a moron and creating a drama.
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I sort of have to agree with you minus the aggressive attitude. If you can't answer normally then simply don't answer. You're not only making yourself look like a F*cking idiot to about everyone that reads on these forums, but you are also making the community look bad and there are quite a few wonderful people on these boards.
On a side note, I am a newbie to when it comes to android systems (btw there is a difference between a Noob and Newbie, to bad most people don't remember that) but I did manage to root my phone and figure out how to install stock roms and other roms, within 15 minutes of searching. There are plenty of guides here on XDA telling you what flashing is, what roms are, what kernals are, what odin is for, what root system to use (CF-Root) etc.
Its not that hard, so i do agree with you on that.
Syrellaris said:
(btw there is a difference between a Noob and Newbie, to bad most people don't remember that)
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I wasn't aware of this. Care to enlighten this senior gentleman? I'm not down with you young hipsters...
And I agree 110% with TheSaw - the OP wants spoonfeeding and has the cheek to "rant" about it. "Spending weeks searching"!!?? Oh behave...
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I wasn't aware of this. Care to enlighten this senior gentleman? I'm not down with you young hipsters...
And I agree 110% with TheSaw - the OP wants spoonfeeding and has the cheek to "rant" about it. "Spending weeks searching"!!?? Oh behave...
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<PSA>
Newbie: Someone new to something, just starting out, learning.
Noob: Someone whos been around for a while and just wont learn, someone who needs spoon feeding, someone who doesnt want to help themselves.
We are all Newbies at some point, some get better, others turn into noobs.
</PSA>
Okay, I apologize for my aggressive behavior. I did however help him in my first post after ranting. And yes, I do know the difference between "noob" and "newbie", and I give him credit for correctly categorizing himself in the "noob" group in his thread's title. And on that note... it's common sense and forum rules not to create threads with titles like this. I'm just really not patient with people, sorry
Over and out, carry on without me.
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Okay, I apologize for my aggressive behavior. I did however help him in my first post after ranting. And yes, I do know the difference between "noob" and "newbie", and I give him credit for correctly categorizing himself in the "noob" group in his thread's title. And on that note... it's common sense and forum rules not to create threads with titles like this. I'm just really not patient with people, sorry
Over and out, carry on without me.
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You can have a go at the ten identical posts today What Rom /best rom/which rom /recommended rom
I have learnt to move past a post if i consider the user to be lazy and not bothered to read etc .But not always i am afraid .
jje
I fear for your phone.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium
Dono what I'm doing wrong this time... Cannot install CWM.
Used to do it in no time... Now getting massage "USB connection failed".
Ran Task 29... Installed Magldr... Can access SD card through USB MassStrg...
Used to run MIUI 29.0 ROM on this phone, wanted to install Sensation 2.2 .....OUT of luck.... CWM doesn't install... WHAT I'm doing wrong????
Please, any Ideas.....
Everything appreciated!!!!
explain the problem more, please? Are you saying you CAN flash magldr, (not that you should need to, all you should have needed to do was repartition, and maybe not even that, depending on the rom sizes) but you CANT flash cwm?
full step by step with as much detail as poss, please.
"Please......HELP!!"
*sigh* yet another ridiculous title for a topic. This is getting really old now but.. A topic title needs to be descriptive about the topic, please use some common sense ffs. What you do think thsi place would look like if all the n00bs who need help posted titles with "omg plz hlp" or "please help urgent" etc etc etc.
To answer your question, you need to partition your device. Do this with HD2 Toolkit which is in the sticky topics.
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explain the problem more, please? Are you saying you CAN flash magldr, (not that you should need to, all you should have needed to do was repartition, and maybe not even that, depending on the rom sizes) but you CANT flash cwm?
full step by step with as much detail as poss, please.
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Will give a step by step of what's going on with the installation.
Thank you for your help.
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"Please......HELP!!"
*sigh* yet another ridiculous title for a topic. This is getting really old now but.. A topic title needs to be descriptive about the topic, please use some common sense ffs. What you do think thsi place would look like if all the n00bs who need help posted titles with "omg plz hlp" or "please help urgent" etc etc etc.
To answer your question, you need to partition your device. Do this with HD2 Toolkit which is in the sticky topics.
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Smart, eh??? What would be yer title???? HD2 screwed??? LOL
Dude, that my 2nd HD2, also have a Sensation, Viewsonic G-tab.... Need I say more??? All rooted or running custom ROMs...
HD2 Toolkit is the bread and butter, so.... yer a little too late with that advise...
Have a good day....Next time.... Do not want to help...... Just don't waste forum's space.....
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Smart, eh??? What would be yer title???? HD2 screwed??? LOL
Dude, that my 2nd HD2, also have a Sensation, Viewsonic G-tab.... Need I say more??? All rooted or running custom ROMs...
HD2 Toolkit is the bread and butter, so.... yer a little too late with that advise...
Have a good day....Next time.... Do not want to help...... Just don't waste forum's space.....
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Yes I am smart, smart because I have common sense enough to know how to title a topic, which you obviously lack judging from the actual title of this topic and your recent reply.
Common sense dictates that the title of this topic describes this topic. "Plz help" or "hd2 screwed" does not describe your topic. For example "Issues installing CWM, Help required" or something along those lines actually describes your topic.
This makes it easier for people browsing pages and also keeps the section organized aswell as helps others searching topic titles. What do you think a page would look like if all we had was n00bs posting crap titles like this all the time?
Please say that you now understand, because there is no other way of trying to explain the simple concept.
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Yes I am smart, smart because I have common sense enough to know how to title a topic, which you obviously lack judging from the actual title of this topic and your recent reply.
Common sense dictates that the title of this topic describes this topic. "Plz help" or "hd2 screwed" does not describe your topic. For example "Issues installing CWM, Help required" or something along those lines actually describes your topic.
This makes it easier for people browsing pages and also keeps the section organized aswell as helps others searching topic titles. What do you think a page would look like if all we had was n00bs posting crap titles like this all the time?
Please say that you now understand, because there is no other way of trying to explain the simple concept.
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Though common sense "dictates" that a thread with proper subject naming will yield better results and not piss off the XDA gods... it also dictates that if you want someone to do something, it's better to suggest than bark.
You could have done several things differently:
1 - not replied to the thread, because you were annoyed by the poster's lack of proper subject line
2 - bit your tongue and replied with an answer to the question. (I would not have bitten mine)
3 - SUGGESTED that a better subject line is the way to go.
A little guidance and suggestion goes a long way... and if it's too much for you to do, then it's best to not vent your frustration at the next person to trigger it.
Having said that... OP... a better subject line would have prevented this entire unfortunate discourse.
anseio said:
Though common sense "dictates" that a thread with proper subject naming will yield better results and not piss off the XDA gods... it also dictates that if you want someone to do something, it's better to suggest than bark.
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I dont agree. The only way these people take notice if if you bark and speak bluntly.
This is the reason why a XDA n00b video was created and shown to new members upon registration.
TheATHEiST said:
I dont agree. The only way these people take notice if if you bark and speak bluntly.
This is the reason why a XDA n00b video was created and shown to new members upon registration.
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You weren't blunt. You were rude. There's a difference.
Here's what you wrote:
*sigh* yet another ridiculous title for a topic. This is getting really old now but.. A topic title needs to be descriptive about the topic, please use some common sense ffs. What you do think thsi place would look like if all the n00bs who need help posted titles with "omg plz hlp" or "please help urgent" etc etc etc.
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Now, let's remove your rudeness and condescension:
... A topic title needs to be descriptive about the topic...
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A "blunt" approach:
Please remember forum rules and include a descriptive topic title.
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See? To the point... and even a "please" included. Not a bit of any holier-than-thou-I'm-tired-of-stupid-n00bs attitude.
anseio said:
Though common sense "dictates" that a thread with proper subject naming will yield better results and not piss off the XDA gods... it also dictates that if you want someone to do something, it's better to suggest than bark.
You could have done several things differently:
1 - not replied to the thread, because you were annoyed by the poster's lack of proper subject line
2 - bit your tongue and replied with an answer to the question. (I would not have bitten mine)
3 - SUGGESTED that a better subject line is the way to go.
A little guidance and suggestion goes a long way... and if it's too much for you to do, then it's best to not vent your frustration at the next person to trigger it.
Having said that... OP... a better subject line would have prevented this entire unfortunate discourse.
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I absolutely agree with you, anseio .
If someone makes a mistake, just out of desperation.. Meaning no harm or carrying no bad intentions.. should that person get his head bitten off or just guided to better way to phrase his request??? Just a "common sense" thrown by
TheATHEiST dictates either skip the thread if you don't like the
title... Or please explain what I've done wrong and I would learn from there.
By the way, TheAtheist.... I do mod a great site and NEVER in my experience I bark at the peeps who unintentionally make wrong choices of wording....
That's not the way you lead the people, if you claim to be a big GURU... So it's in yer soul to be mean, Or ya woke up the wrong way..
And PLEASE TheAtheist no more suggestions..... I will figure everything out... Not the first time and hope not the last.... It's all the learning curve....LOL
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I absolutely agree with you, anseio .
If someone makes a mistake, just out of desperation.. Meaning no harm or carrying no bad intentions.. should that person get his head bitten off or just guided to better way to phrase his request??? Just a "common sense" thrown by
TheATHEiST dictates either skip the thread if you don't like the
title... Or please explain what I've done wrong and I would learn from there.
By the way, TheAtheist.... I do mod a great site and NEVER in my experience I bark at the peeps who unintentionally make wrong choices of wording....
That's not the way you lead the people, if you claim to be a big GURU... So it's in yer soul to be mean, Or ya woke up the wrong way..
And PLEASE TheAtheist no more suggestions..... I will figure everything out... Not the first time and hope not the last.... It's all the learning curve....LOL
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Don't worry about him, he's partially right about the descriptive part but tends not to help people, just shout at them because he is, of course, perfect.
Oh, and about your issue, I don't see what you're doing wrong, try starting over with a Task 29? Maybe try redownloading the files, may have been a bad download?
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Don't worry about him, he's partially right about the descriptive part but tends not to help people, just shout at them because he is, of course, perfect.
Oh, and about your issue, I don't see what you're doing wrong, try starting over with a Task 29? Maybe try redownloading the files, may have been a bad download?
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Thank you very much!!! That makes me feel A LOT better. Not all of the people in the world are MEAN!!!! By the way... Fixed my HD2!!!!!
As I tell my folks at the site.... Read..... Read..... And when yer eyes start bleeding.. Read some more!!!!
Just lost some crucial info on partition!!!!
Thank you very much, all people!!!
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Thank you very much!!! That makes me feel A LOT better. Not all of the people in the world are MEAN!!!! By the way... Fixed my HD2!!!!!
As I tell my folks at the site.... Read..... Read..... And when yer eyes start bleeding.. Read some more!!!!
Just lost some crucial info on partition!!!!
Thank you very much, all people!!!
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As much as I hate to say it, TheAtheist clearly posted in his first post on the thread to check the partitioning
Nigeldg said:
As much as I hate to say it, TheAtheist clearly posted in his first post on the thread to check the partitioning
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You are absolutely correct!!! And I do appreciate your input.....
Listen here... Step in my shoes.. Me been married for 30 years....
When my ol' lady comes with a great solution, but starts yelling(as she usually does...LOL). My first response is: SCREW YOU.....
And I come up with the way to make it my way.... So... He WAS not near the way I've done it. Partition the way he suggested didn't not work.. PERIOD!!!
HD2 Tool had nothing to do with my problem..
Although I do appreciate your reply, CWM not installing is something out off his field of expertise....
Thank you!!!
Please read the Forum Rules before posting. Use search function, use clear and descriptive title, keep discussion about HD2 android, all members are expected to read and adhere to the XDA rules. Thanks in advance. Thread closed.
hay
kindly tell me a simple to partioin my nexus one for ics.
am i partioin any nexus model with blackrose.
sorry for my english
waiting for help
Check it here.. There is different thread for installing blackrose as well.. Try finding out.. simple instructions are in below thread..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1270589
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I would say u need to be a bit careful wid blackrose. Cos its not as easy like flashing a rom. I would recommend you to go thru the blackrose thread carefully to make things clear. If u get any doubts u can ask it and clear things out
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There should be CLEAR instructions in the OP of the Blackrose thread. This **** is ridiculous.
What do I need? Do I need the Android SDK? If I do, can I install it on a seperate drive? I don't need ****e clogging up my SSD. No one has stated I need the SDK, hence why I haven't bothered with it. If it is needed, then my point about none of it being CLEAR is reinforced.
Been trying to figure this **** out for hours. Seen countless numbers of posts with people trying to give instructions. I try these things to find that I have missed something because I can't complete a step or some other problem.
And did I mention how helpful the installation video was in the OP? Really good stuff, that.
Any actual help will be appreciated. Gonna jump off the nearest cliff if someone suggests to read through the thread again. Which seems to be the only thing that people like to tell others in these "help" threads.
Cheers.
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There should be CLEAR instructions in the OP of the Blackrose thread. This **** is ridiculous.
What do I need? Do I need the Android SDK? If I do, can I install it on a seperate drive? I don't need ****e clogging up my SSD. No one has stated I need the SDK, hence why I haven't bothered with it. If it is needed, then my point about none of it being CLEAR is reinforced.
Been trying to figure this **** out for hours. Seen countless numbers of posts with people trying to give instructions. I try these things to find that I have missed something because I can't complete a step or some other problem.
And did I mention how helpful the installation video was in the OP? Really good stuff, that.
Any actual help will be appreciated. Gonna jump off the nearest cliff if someone suggests to read through the thread again. Which seems to be the only thing that people like to tell others in these "help" threads.
Cheers.
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I think you will get an earful from other members after they read your post. Calm down and don't vent your anger on this portal. If the instructions from the OP are not clear, just ask and we will help you.
Adster3000 said:
There should be CLEAR instructions in the OP of the Blackrose thread. This **** is ridiculous.
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Should be? Really? Says who? Take your entitlement straight to the door. People here are doing things for free and sharing their knowledge... and you are demanding to be spoon-fed it.
Adster3000 said:
What do I need? Do I need the Android SDK? If I do, can I install it on a seperate drive? I don't need ****e clogging up my SSD. No one has stated I need the SDK, hence why I haven't bothered with it. If it is needed, then my point about none of it being CLEAR is reinforced.
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Do you know what the SDK is? If not, maybe you should read up on what it is and why you would need it.
No, you do not need the SDK installed. You do need the drivers for your device installed though, both for fastboot and normal mode.
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Been trying to figure this **** out for hours. Seen countless numbers of posts with people trying to give instructions. I try these things to find that I have missed something because I can't complete a step or some other problem.
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Hours? When I got my first smartphone many years ago, I spend months lurking around this site trying to take in as much knowledge as I could before even attempting to flash anything. I wanted to make sure that I understood everything I was doing before doing it -- I did not want to blindly follow someone's step by step.
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And did I mention how helpful the installation video was in the OP? Really good stuff, that.
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You're lucky you even got a video.
Adster3000 said:
Any actual help will be appreciated. Gonna jump off the nearest cliff if someone suggests to read through the thread again. Which seems to be the only thing that people like to tell others in these "help" threads.
Cheers.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
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Should be? Really? Says who? Take your entitlement straight to the door. People here are doing things for free and sharing their knowledge... and you are demanding to be spoon-fed it.
Do you know what the SDK is? If not, maybe you should read up on what it is and why you would need it.
No, you do not need the SDK installed. You do need the drivers for your device installed though, both for fastboot and normal mode.
Hours? When I got my first smartphone many years ago, I spend months lurking around this site trying to take in as much knowledge as I could before even attempting to flash anything. I wanted to make sure that I understood everything I was doing before doing it -- I did not want to blindly follow someone's step by step.
You're lucky you even got a video.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
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Insulting people always helps!
taodan said:
I think you will get an earful from other members after they read your post. Calm down and don't vent your anger on this portal. If the instructions from the OP are not clear, just ask and we will help you.
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This is much more helpful. My apologies.
If I were the one creating these sorts of things for others (and myself,) I'd very much like it to be as simple as possible for the end-user. I'd like as much support as possible and I would be isolating the majority by making it more difficult than it could be. I shouldn't need a developer's knowledge to be able to take advantage of a developer's work.
I'm sure I just missed something simple. It wasn't the drivers. After I installed them and tried the Blackrose exe again, it stops at "waiting for device." Read through some of the thread, not understanding half of it, as you would expect, and didn't come across anything that could have helped me with my problem.
Any ideas?
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If I were the one creating these sorts of things for others (and myself,) I'd very much like it to be as simple as possible for the end-user. I'd like as much support as possible and I would be isolating the majority by making it more difficult than it could be. I shouldn't need a developer's knowledge to be able to take advantage of a developer's work.
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I think what you posted above is where the problem is. People here are not creating things here for others. They are developing something, and sharing it with others.
And I guess, you didn't read the comment in the link in my previous post. Otherwise, it probably would have been more clear.
I'm not trying to insult. On the contrary, I am trying to help you figure it out, not have someone figure it out for you, in the spirit of xda-developers, not xda-support-desk.
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I'm sure I just missed something simple. It wasn't the drivers. After I installed them and tried the Blackrose exe again, it stops at "waiting for device." Read through some of the thread, not understanding half of it, as you would expect, and didn't come across anything that could have helped me with my problem.
Any ideas?
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It's funny, but I remember more than one individual having the same issue in the Blackrose thread. And I remember mentioning to at least one individual that they could try to flash Blackrose manually, instead of using the installer. But maybe you missed that. Or did you not read the entire thread?
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But maybe you missed that. Or did you not read the entire thread?
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lol, seriously?
There are 956 posts in the Blackrose thread alone. Expecting someone to read EVERY single post and absorb all of that information at one time is a bit proposterous. I'd bet it'd take a good 3-4 hours to just read that single thread.
I'm not saying we should spoon feed the newbs (especially the ones who can't follow simple instructions, like not posting a question in a forum with a big sticky at the top that explicitly says "WARNING - DO *NOT* POST QUESTIONS IN THIS FORUM - only tips/info/etc."), but at what point do we say... hey, this is how you do it, these 900 posts don't matter, or are outdated, or are duplicate questions...
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lol, seriously?
There are 956 posts in the Blackrose thread alone. Expecting someone to read EVERY single post and absorb all of that information at one time is a bit proposterous. I'd bet it'd take a good 3-4 hours to just read that single thread.
I'm not saying we should spoon feed the newbs (especially the ones who can't follow simple instructions, like not posting a question in a forum with a big sticky at the top that explicitly says "WARNING - DO *NOT* POST QUESTIONS IN THIS FORUM - only tips/info/etc."), but at what point do we say... hey, this is how you do it, these 900 posts don't matter, or are outdated, or are duplicate questions...
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I WAS being serious. Maybe it's just me, but I like learning, and I like helping those who like to learn. And don't tell me it's because people don't have time to read them...I work 60-70 hours a week, take post-graduate classes, raise 3 kids (which includes going to soccer games, homework, skating and dance lessons), and I still have time to read some threads, write up some guides, and help others.
If I want to flash something, I read the entire thread, so I learn from others' mistakes. When I had my Nexus One and I wanted Blackrose, I read every post in that Blackrose thread, up until I replaced the N1. I guess I have a hard time understanding someone who doesn't, and then complains that the guides should be better, and saying "this $%!& is ridiculous".
One of the things people need to develop skills for, if they're doing anything technical, is SEARCH. It helps a lot to filter out the crap, because it's indeed impossible or at least unreal to read threads of 300+ replies. But searching helps. Noobs should start working on their google-fu.
I agree that Blackrose thread isn't the simplest around. But just think - it's not more and not less, but bootloader replacement! The very thing that noobs SHOULD NOT TOUCH until they understand what they're doing.
So, the first response should be - if you don't understand how to do something, STAY AWAY UNTIL YOU DO. And indeed, go vent somewhere else. This isn't a forum for pleasing users.
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and I still have time to read some threads, write up some guides, and help others.
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Ha.
Forget I asked, then.
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Ha.
Forget I asked, then.
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So let me get this straight: You are looking for help (despite not having read the Blackrose thread), I give you two suggestions (check you driver install and flash the modified hboot manually, both are in the Blackrose thread), and you are still flippant and not happy?
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