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Moved...Please, give feedback, make this forum more useful !!!!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409429

thanks Martin
you got the point , i am new here also
and from 3 days i am trying to know what you talking about and frankly some guys try to explain for me but still a lot of things are not understood
they must make a sticky thread for what Rom and how to install it and all the principles things

first port of call. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/ start reading.

ayman morsy said:
thanks Martin
you got the point , i am new here also
and from 3 days i am trying to know what you talking about and frankly some guys try to explain for me but still a lot of things are not understood
they must make a sticky thread for what Rom and how to install it and all the principles things
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haha, you joined this forum this month, and you think you can undestand it all?
I have been here a little while..I still get surprised with what I can find on this forum.
If I want to learn something new, I spend a great deal of hours trying to find something I can use, and when I find something, I spend alot of time reading up on it, searching even more in the same topic.
All in all. The wiki is not perfect, the forum is not perfect, but in my oppinion, its dam close. I know a bunch of paysites that provides alot less info then you find here.
We are a bunch of ppl who love what we are doing, but demanding more and more and more is not the way to do it.
And the funny thing here is: Imagine if you got all the answers, and are happy with it
Imagine then...In a few days, another guy ask the same question, ofcourse you help him....and then, in a few days, another thread is started with similar questions. and so on...
Then you start thinking; hmmm, maybe we should make a sticky with this info, so that the noobs dont ask so many times, I will make it easy for them.
So there..you got a sticky with the topic, and alot of good answers (now you have become a more experienced user, uyou are getting good with the terms used here, you know what stuff means, like in.ex RUU, ROM, Hard-SPL etc..)
And again, you are happy to help ppl out, you start using the language used on this forum, you use the knowlege you have mastered in some degree.
And your sticky is full of wisdom and knowlege.
But...after 50 guys have asked the same question (in many diffrent ways, nice, begging, cursing, hateful and so on) you start thinking:
Dam, will those huys never learn to read? Hell, I have given them everything I know, the best way I can.
You are starting to become lazy with posting in your sticky, cause you have done so before, so many times...even on pm (private messages) ppl are asking for personal guidence, and they need it now (and your girlfriend is waiting in the bedroom, or dinner is ready, or you need to go to work, or you have damn much stuff you need to fix with the latest w/e, and are quite finished with that old ****, cause you have moved way past that stage long time ago )
And suddenly you find yourself writing something like I am writing now...
welcome to XDA

@itje
wow. nothin more to add

m.schmidler said:
Moved...Please, give feedback, make this forum more useful !!!!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409429
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OK. we will change ALL...we will make it like in other forums...a "How 2 post" so that EVERY post looks the same...so that noob can follow...
BUT YOU check ALL NEW post if they are posted the right way.
hahahahahahaahaha
NO man. IF you cannnot follow the instructions in the threads...DO NOT FLASH!!!
I spent 1 year ONLY READING before flashing my first rom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO don´t come here with 5 posts and tell us how to do our job

Well i dont wish to be this forum like any other "plx crack this phorumzz", i think its just as it should be.
besides, when i started flashing my htc devices, it took me 10 mins to find xda-dev's, and another 30 min to figure out what buttons to press to get the stuff i wanted to have.
so dont tell us its too difficult - if youre not smart enough its not our concern.
use google for other forums if youre not pleased with the offers in here.

daschalki said:
Well i dont wish to be this forum like any other "plx crack this phorumzz", i think its just as it should be.
besides, when i started flashing my htc devices, it took me 10 mins to find xda-dev's, and another 30 min to figure out what buttons to press to get the stuff i wanted to have.
so dont tell us its too difficult - if youre not smart enough its not our concern.
use google for other forums if youre not pleased with the offers in here.
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+1
if you need something, use search and READ ALL, schmidler
i know, it takes time ...

[Q] Any news of rooting 2.2.1 update besides that chineese way ?

is tharrr any newwwssss, im kinda bored with this update

No
10Char

Kinda some promising stuff.
http://twitter.com/unrevoked

I got temp root working using the peneuter (Original version cpu instructions was wrong so use http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905183 )
I managed to downgrade by re flashing the misc partition and dropping the PC49img on. So back to tmo stock rom 2.1. Unrevoked now attempts to root and see the success message then the nand error happens as hboot is the same. Still poking about so will update if i progress...

x-member said:
is tharrr any newwwssss, im kinda bored with this update
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Not trying be a wise ass, but why didn't you root before, instead of whining now... I seriously don't get you guys. Maybe not being able to ever root your phone would be a valuable lesson in studying a little before jumping right in like a .....(I was going to type something here, but I would offend you, not that I care about that).
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

Alex_GP said:
Not trying be a wise ass, but why didn't you root before, instead of whining now... I seriously don't get you guys. Maybe not being able to ever root your phone would be a valuable lesson in studying a little before jumping right in like a .....(I was going to type something here, but I would offend you, not that I care about that).
You have already offended some. Please note that not all who asks to root Froyo updated their phone from OTA or RUU, some got their phone with the Froyo firmware already in it. So please watch before you speak. Also, not all people knows about how this things works. Most doesn't even care what their phones are and will update should an update is available believing their device will make it super. Then they'll just stumble on a forum unintentionally and started knowing stuffs like these and start loving and craving to try, but may be too late. People asking these questions should only be answered Yes or No, no side comments if it's bad to hear. Anyways, they are not pushing you, as in you to do it for them. If you say NO, then they won't bother you, will they?
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The problem appears when you say"no" to someone, they get it, but during the next week you see the board filled with topics from various people asking about rooting 2.2, because they can't be bothered in reading a measly 2 page topic where the problem is explained.
I agree that the people that bought the phone with 2.2 are not to blame about no knowing about it, but they are to be blamed about not reading before whining on the forum
So remember kids, google stuff before crying on the forums, this way you won't be insulted by bad people like me, that are only stating the obvious .
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

Alex_GP said:
The problem appears when you say"no" to someone, they get it, but during the next week you see the board filled with topics from various people asking about rooting 2.2, because they can't be bothered in reading a measly 2 page topic where the problem is explained.
I agree that the people that bought the phone with 2.2 are not to blame about no knowing about it, but they are to be blamed about not reading before whining on the forum
So remember kids, google stuff before crying on the forums, this way you won't be insulted by bad people like me, that are only stating the obvious .
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
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There shold be no one to blame in the first place because nobody committed a mistake for asking to root their phone after update. It's not a mistake, it's just that people tend to play with their phone, get more features after root, but it's not a mistake. Mistake here is to insult poor ignorant people.

yzac said:
There shold be no one to blame in the first place because nobody committed a mistake for asking to root their phone after update. It's not a mistake, it's just that people tend to play with their phone, get more features after root, but it's not a mistake. Mistake here is to insult poor ignorant people.
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No, the fact that you do something (like updating 2.2.1) without knowing the implications is a mistake, and you deserve what`s coming to you.
If you go around in life like "hurr durr a buttonz, lets push it" you are eventually gonna get burned. It doesn't take long to go around asking on Google or reading on a forum, or asking a friend what happens when you press that button. Maybe you will not find out exactly what happens when you push the button, maybe you`ll only know that starts a flame, you are responsible for getting burned. And you shouldn`t cry afterward if the injuries hurt. This example can be extended in every aspect of life and can be summarized like this THINK before you act! Some obviously don`t.
I`m not going to argue anymore, this is my final post about this subject.

Alex_GP said:
The problem appears when you say"no" to someone, they get it, but during the next week you see the board filled with topics from various people asking about rooting 2.2, because they can't be bothered in reading a measly 2 page topic where the problem is explained.
I agree that the people that bought the phone with 2.2 are not to blame about no knowing about it, but they are to be blamed about not reading before whining on the forum
So remember kids, google stuff before crying on the forums, this way you won't be insulted by bad people like me, that are only stating the obvious .
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
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if you dont want to read abount people stuck with the 2.2.1 froyo on the wildfire. Why are you visiting this tread????

matt99t said:
I got temp root working using the peneuter (Original version cpu instructions was wrong so use http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905183 )
I managed to downgrade by re flashing the misc partition and dropping the PC49img on. So back to tmo stock rom 2.1. Unrevoked now attempts to root and see the success message then the nand error happens as hboot is the same. Still poking about so will update if i progress...
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How do you use the file? I downloaded the file but i dont know how to use it? instructions please

Can you please provide us with some kind of tutorial if you successed?
Thank you

Stop being so freaking mean

Dudes, I'm all for arguing but your going a bit too far.
Recently I've seen more than plenty of people getting pissed at newbies because they ask a commonly asked question.
They don't call them newbies because they know everything I just want you to take it a bit easier on them.
Who knows that newbie might be the next Dev that amazes us.
I'm sure most of you weren't treated like **** when you first joined and asked a question or made a error...
Just calm down and remember their new and they will learn.
Thanks

P.s. I hope I don't sound like a hippie.

+1!!
Sent from Bionix powered vibrant! If I helped, hit the thanks button!

it's not really new. it's been like that in the vibrant section since i started coming to it back in like june....
but i agree.

You have some good points! At the same time some of the frustration people have on here is that people or newbies don't use yhe search option.
They go and asked the same question that was asked a page back or so!
The newbies are getting more and more lazy and aren't doing enough research before they ask a question!
I'm not an expert at any of this stuff, but when I got started with all this flashing stuff last year I did my homework are researched everything I could before I did my first flash!
If I had a question or even today when I have a question I make sure I browse the tread to see if I find the answer or use the search option before I go posting it for the 100th time!
Just my 2¢!
Rockin that Bionix V 1.2 w/ Androdena V4

funeralthirst said:
it's not really new. it's been like that in the vibrant section since i started coming to it back in like june....
but i agree.
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The interwebz has always been this way. You should of seen the G1 forums back on the day. I have noticed recently though that this happens when the natives get restless... aka: there are no new Roms or updates to flash and/or ppl check the forums way tooooo much and so it turns into the state we have now.
This will never end just to let you know. PMs and reporting post work wonders.

Know this. It isnt just these threads for this forum.
Its Apart of life and people get very fustrated with it. Case in point I had a guy call me at work and ask me how to work his computer.
Its people like this customer that make my head hurt.
He then proceed's to ask me how to get internet.
I say sir you must call att or timewarner or who ever can provide internet to you.
He then says " cant I just sign up over the internet with a credit card"
I think to myself "how in the hell are you going to sign up for internet over the internet when you do not have internet.
point of this is 1) its funny! 2) I get how you feel I use to get very fustrated with this sight. Some people just do not read or comprehend what we do. Other times I am just as dumb as they are.

xriderx66 said:
Dudes, I'm all for arguing but your going a bit too far.
Recently I've seen more than plenty of people getting pissed at newbies because they ask a commonly asked question.
They don't call them newbies because they know everything I just want you to take it a bit easier on them.
Who knows that newbie might be the next Dev that amazes us.
I'm sure most of you weren't treated like **** when you first joined and asked a question or made a error...
Just calm down and remember their new and they will learn.
Thanks
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htc2364 said:
You have some good points! At the same time some of the frustration people have on here is that people or newbies don't use yhe search option.
They go and asked the same question that was asked a page back or so!
The newbies are getting more and more lazy and aren't doing enough research before they ask a question!
I'm not an expert at any of this stuff, but when I got started with all this flashing stuff last year I did my homework are researched everything I could before I did my first flash!
If I had a question or even today when I have a question I make sure I browse the tread to see if I find the answer or use the search option before I go posting it for the 100th time!
Just my 2¢!
Rockin that Bionix V 1.2 w/ Androdena V4
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Both points, have hit the marks!
I started to search for the newbie's and just post them as answers to people that are new to this.
But if i don't have the time of my life (I have a family too, and i'm damn old for this, lol), then I would just answer but with a courteous and politely tell them to search next time.

All~G1 said:
The interwebz has always been this way. You should of seen the G1 forums back on the day. I have noticed recently though that this happens when the natives get restless... aka: there are no new Roms or updates to flash and/or ppl check the forums way tooooo much and so it turns into the state we have now.
This will never end just to let you know. PMs and reporting post work wonders.
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LOL, yeah, G1 days was...umm... let's just say, it was 'busy'. Shoot, the Symbian forums in the olden days was the same. People pester me with updates and crap, and making this change, and do that.... Oy.
I agree with All~G1, sometimes there are 'certain users' who can't take a joke, or too serious, or just plain jerk. So those I do report to Mods and it does work wonders...

The problem is that people expect everyone else to take time to help them but don't take anytime to help themselves (ie, searching for a solution before asking for one)

Ill admit I'm a noob to the android bit but to the tech or fourm world but iv learned in my years the google and forum search are your best friends when learnong something new that's how I found this site. However I have noticed that some threads on here may have 1000+ replys and the forum search here as with most boards don't always put you close to the answer you need so and I can see how other noobs who really arnt familuar with forums like this could find it overwhelimg trying to go through that amount of posts
Sent from my hero running froyo with the XDA APP

Like any forum, search is your friend. You have a problem? First search and check stickies before asking. Them are the laws of the internets plain and simple. I'm not the most educated when it comes to android, but I try and answer questions the best I can to help out. When I see pages 1,2 and three of general chat all asking for help about kies update to 2.2, I get pissed too.
I think vibrant members are on the nicer side of the spectrum.

I understand using search isn't that hard, but new users may not be familiar to vbulletin forums and search feautures, but yes most of them don't even bother.

i went from stock 2.1 to rooted 2.2 flagship v4 just by using the search button. getting pissed might be going a bit far, but they do deserve a good jerkin!

I highly doubt a newbie or n00b who expects everything handed to him and his phone to be automagically rooted and flashed with roms will be the next greatest developer and i haven't even heard anyone be called a newbie ever in any forum but i get where your coming from

whatever5 said:
I highly doubt a newbie or n00b who expects everything handed to him and his phone to be automagically rooted and flashed with roms will be the next greatest developer and i haven't even heard anyone be called a newbie ever in any forum but i get where your coming from
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Lol automagically... i'm writing that one down
Sent from Bionix powered vibrant! If I helped, hit the thanks button!

xriderx66 said:
P.s. I hope I don't sound like a hippie.
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A little bit but you are right, I don't know why but the Vibrant crowd get REALLY rough and terse...... people need to show some compassion.........we were all newbies at one time........ good post

Search really isn't that hard. I've been flashing roms on here since Bionix 4 for 2.1 and I never did so until I read the stickies and did research. It's sad that they're not used as much as they should be and it's even sadder that in this day and age, searching key phrases for specific information is still comparable to college level calculus for many internet users.
Sent from my Bionix-V powered Samsung Vibrant that I customized by actually using search intelligently and never cluttering threads. Imagine that!

i haven't been around here for so long but i already know how devs and the experienced get so easily pissed at noob questions. i refrain myself from asking questions AT LEAST in dev threads unless it's absolutely necessary and my googling and searching forums wouldn't give me any clues.
i think devs must have been pretty passionate and must have offered to help, but with growing number of noobs-not all noobs- throwing dumb questions, making threads run hundreds of pages, i understand being passionate no longer is possible

Is there a newbie or beginner section? I think I looked at the xda forum a year ago and it just overwhelmed me at one point where I just didn't care about rooting. Then I met the samsung vibrant and it frustrated me to no end where I had to start reading up a little bit.

new to android world , want to root :)

ok im new to all this android thing so bare with me
my first android phone is the SGS2 its stock 2.3.5 unlocked and i want it rooted i readed and watched videos about how to do it and i think im rdy to do it i just need help with the kernel files so i dont make a mistake by chosing the wrong ones
can some put plz the rooted kernel and the original kernel so i can remove the triangle after
preferable as atachmed both ones ty
here about phone pic
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/sc20111018172824.png

have a read of this

Darkside Agent said:
have a read of this
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im lucky you incrased your post count by 1 more usless post
if you dont want to help then dont post ffs

CF-Root, KI8 kernel, KI8 stock kernel.

Shomi87 said:
im lucky you incrased your post count by 1 more usless post
if you dont want to help then dont post ffs
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Lol, like post counts matter
If you don't want to educate yourself first and read up, then...
You know the rest

oinkylicious said:
CF-Root, KI8 kernel, KI8 stock kernel.
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tnx for help and not acting like an wiseazz like the other dude

But honestly, Darkside had a point but maybe not presented in the best way. I guess some people are tired of answering the same questions when there are clear posts/threads about it that are also easy to find.
I'm a beginner as well but I tend to look for a solution myself rather than asking. But we are all different I guess.

Such is society. The world is full of people who would prefer to have information hand fed to them. No wonder many people cannot infer from information.

Bergaliden said:
But honestly, Darkside had a point but maybe not presented in the best way. I guess some people are tired of answering the same questions when there are clear posts/threads about it that are also easy to find.
I'm a beginner as well but I tend to look for a solution myself rather than asking. But we are all different I guess.
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Your post explains EXACTLY where im coming from, thank you.
And the part about searching yourself is music to my ears.
yes, maybe i went about it the wrong way, i will admit that...BUT:
I know this isnt my forum, i have no say in anything on here at all...but its depressing having to read the same thing over and over and over - and all these threads do is push the good informative threads off the first couple of pages and makes it very hard to garner good honest information posted by people making a genuine effort to improve things for our phone.
Check the Q&A & General section, count how many ICS threads there are already...all talking about the same thing. Its like all of a sudden theres an influx of new members (probably young guys/girls) who are in a competition to feel part of something, and satisfy this need by posting threads on massive forums like this one without using the search function...that function is there for a reason, its mentioned in the rules and its just common sense to check if what you are about to post is already available...isnt it?
Maybe im completely wrong, maybe im looking at it the wrong way, but i now struggle to find anything of value on this forum because im wading through...well, you get my point....
/end rant
Shomi87 said:
tnx for help and not acting like an wiseazz like the other dude
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lol...feel superior now?

Darkside Agent said:
Your post explains EXACTLY where im coming from, thank you.
And the part about searching yourself is music to my ears.
yes, maybe i went about it the wrong way, i will admit that...BUT:
I know this isnt my forum, i have no say in anything on here at all...but its depressing having to read the same thing over and over and over - and all these threads do is push the good informative threads off the first couple of pages and makes it very hard to garner good honest information posted by people making a genuine effort to improve things for our phone.
Check the Q&A & General section, count how many ICS threads there are already...all talking about the same thing. Its like all of a sudden theres an influx of new members (probably young guys/girls) who are in a competition to feel part of something, and satisfy this need by posting threads on massive forums like this one without using the search function...that function is there for a reason, its mentioned in the rules and its just common sense to check if what you are about to post is already available...isnt it?
Maybe im completely wrong, maybe im looking at it the wrong way, but i now struggle to find anything of value on this forum because im wading through...well, you get my point....
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lol...feel superior now?
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I am not that clever, but I do know that Search & Read are the most valuable things to use this site. And if I am able to do it, then most can do as well.
I can understand if the Rooting and Flashing of ROMs was explained in a very technical way, but the posters have taken time to do step-by-step instructions. Okay sometimes for noobies it can still be confusing. I guarantee that if they read through that thread then they will have found someone already who asked that question for clarification (which will have been answered).
I am indebted to some very clever folk have developed programs or modified ROMs so that we can root and flash. And also to those who took the time to make the guides for us.
I only wish I knew how to go about learning about developing - it does seem to be a very steep learning curve.

Darkside Agent said:
Your post explains EXACTLY where im coming from, thank you.
And the part about searching yourself is music to my ears.
yes, maybe i went about it the wrong way, i will admit that...BUT:
I know this isnt my forum, i have no say in anything on here at all...but its depressing having to read the same thing over and over and over - and all these threads do is push the good informative threads off the first couple of pages and makes it very hard to garner good honest information posted by people making a genuine effort to improve things for our phone.
Check the Q&A & General section, count how many ICS threads there are already...all talking about the same thing. Its like all of a sudden theres an influx of new members (probably young guys/girls) who are in a competition to feel part of something, and satisfy this need by posting threads on massive forums like this one without using the search function...that function is there for a reason, its mentioned in the rules and its just common sense to check if what you are about to post is already available...isnt it?
Maybe im completely wrong, maybe im looking at it the wrong way, but i now struggle to find anything of value on this forum because im wading through...well, you get my point....
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lol...feel superior now?
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if its depresing for you to read it why you read it then and why post ?
just skip the thread then
and yes i feel ty

Shomi87 said:
if its depresing for you to read it why you read it then and why post ?
just skip the thread then
and yes i feel ty
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How is he supposed to know what you have posted without reading it. You may have tried searching & reading but there was a problem with actually doing the rooting.
There are a lot of folks on here that English is not their first language, so may need help with following the instructions.
If you have learned to use the best thing on this site - the Search - then his reply was worth it.

Shomi87 said:
im lucky you incrased your post count by 1 more usless post
if you dont want to help then dont post ffs
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No you're the useless one who can't read. It's in the bloody stickies FFS.
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium

olyloh6696 said:
No you're the useless one who can't read. It's in the bloody stickies FFS.
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium
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what ever i asked about the files to be sure i didnt ask for whole root procedure now gtfo

Shomi87 said:
what ever i asked about the files to be sure i didnt ask for whole root procedure now gtfo
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Oooh. You got me there.
If you can't find the kernel in the development section you obviously must be too thick. USE THE SEATCH BUTTON.
Er, no I won't 'gtfo'
You get out with your pointless posts.
And with your attitude, no one is going to help you out.
Sent from my GT-P1000 using xda premium

saying to some1 use the search button is not helping
you think idk to use the search buton ? i used it i found the files i just wanted to be sure if those r the right ones
now srsly stop posting **** i dont need your "use search button" replays

Shomi87 said:
saying to some1 use the search button is not helping
you think idk to use the search buton ? i used it i found the files i just wanted to be sure if those r the right ones
now srsly stop posting **** i dont need your "use search button" replays
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Clearly you didn't use the search button, or you'd have found the answer quickly. Or if you bothered to check the stickies for the kernels, or read through the thread.
If the files have already been posted by the developer and confirmed working, why are you asking people if its 'safe'?
And yes, asking people to use the search button is useful, if you even bothered to read the XDA rules.
Sent from my GT-P1000 using xda premium

blow me ?
10characters dooh

Shomi87 said:
saying to some1 use the search button is not helping
you think idk to use the search buton ? i used it i found the files i just wanted to be sure if those r the right ones
now srsly stop posting **** i dont need your "use search button" replays
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I have to agree with Olyloh6696 on this one. The advice given was quite acceptable. Everyday new threads are started for no reason when the info is already available. Some people just want to be spoon fed simple information. Maybe they are in a rush to solve their problem and decide why spend hours looking when I can just start a new thread and ask. Only problem is; hours of other peoples time is waisted looking at threads like this one.

Shomi87 said:
blow me ?
10characters dooh
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You have a very cocky attitude. No one will want to help you in the future.
'Blow me' possibly the worst insult I have ever heard.
And you've used it twice before you edited your other post.
Ha.
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium

First day ATT SG4 Questions

I previously had an htc vivid that I s-off'd and rom'd alot and before that I had a samsung infuse and I remember roming on the infuse to be pretty easy. So where do i start? I want to install cm10.1 nightly but I just got my phone today and I have no idea how to root or get cwm on it

VinnyCh4se said:
I previously had an htc vivid that I s-off'd and rom'd alot and before that I had a samsung infuse and I remember roming on the infuse to be pretty easy. So where do i start? I want to install cm10.1 nightly but I just got my phone today and I have no idea how to root or get cwm on it
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Start with these three threads, but don't limit yourself to them. You will find many useful links within those threads to help you as well. Good luck.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2301762
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2312444
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2295557

WTH, scott. you fast.
Good info as always

TheAxman said:
WTH, scott. you fast.
Good info as always
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I bet 90% (or more) of all "Help me!" type posts can be resolved with those few threads. Maybe another 5% need to be directed to another thread or two, and only the last 5% or so actually require more information than what has already been posted. If people would follow the XDA rules, search, and read what is easily available, most of them wouldn't have problems in the first place...much less need to make posts about them time after time. This forum has evolved nicely and people have taken their time to put together guides, solve problems, and create helpful posts. It is a slap in the face of those people when others don't take the time to read the information they made available. I see it all of the time, people saying, "but this is Q&A, I should be allowed to ask questions yadayadayada...). For some reason, to them, Q&A means I don't need to search, read, or learn, I can just ask a question that has been asked 20 times already (usually still on the first page) and people must flock to me with easy answers on silver platters! Of course, that is assuming they even put the question in the Q&A forum to start with. For some reason, they think they are above the rules or they are so special the rules don't apply to them. Q&A (according to XDA) exists to help AFTER someone has already searched and read on their own...not as a substitute for doing so. And saying, "but I searched", when it is obvious that no searching or very little searching was done only makes them a liar as well.
At most, people should only need to be directed to this information (existing threads). If they choose to ignore this help or if they think they are too important to take the time needed to read and learn...too bad. Fortunately, most accept the help and take advantage of the information, others, well I guess they just need to sit around, all butt-hurt, with their bricks. :laugh:
And to those that get butt-hurt...No, I'm not a Mod and I'm not affiliated with XDA, I just follow the rules that I agreed to when I signed up...just like everyone else is supposed to. DO you?
...and this isn't necessarily directed at the OP, I just happened to say it in this thread.

This is not unique to XDA. People on all forums ask before trying to find the answer. It doesn't matter how much good info is posted, most users want to be spoon fed instead of trying to learn on their own.
Even with power of Google, we see people post " how do I ....." On forums first, when the same query on google will give instant answers.
I can't explain it, but we are all witness to it.

alphadog00 said:
This is not unique to XDA. People on all forums ask before trying to find the answer. It doesn't matter how much good info is posted, most users want to be spoon fed instead of trying to learn on their own.
Even with power of Google, we see people post " how do I ....." On forums first, when the same query on google will give instant answers.
I can't explain it, but we are all witness to it.
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Does not excuse it in the slightest. Anyways I'm happy for the OP choosing the S4 but this is getting quite repetitive and needs to stop :/
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+1 to all
A lot of members like Axman have invested many hours in writing great "noob" threads. Very well done and easy to understand. What I never get is why folks invest a lot of money in this phone, and others, and don't want to spend time educating themselves on how to root it and flash roms.

Thermalwolf said:
Does not excuse it in the slightest. Anyways I'm happy for the OP choosing the S4 but this is getting quite repetitive and needs to stop :/
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Where have you been? Haven't seen you around in awhile.
Agreed though, getting old. Same issue, different name.

TheAxman said:
Where have you been? Haven't seen you around in awhile.
Agreed though, getting old. Same issue, different name.
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Life, and AOKP has been keeping me quite content but yea long time no see, glad to see familiar faces
Decided I should drop by more to help with these QA threads hahaha
To the OP now, don't think we hate you or anything, it's just you put like NO EFFORT into researching. The QA forum is here to help issues beyond just getting started.
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I started those guides thinking that everyone would be talking about flashing roms, whats cool, whats not, and so on, made them so anyone new could even understand, I must have forgotten that people just want to get a phone and start rooting and such, without reading because his buddy said it was cool to root and flash roms, even told him, here go to this site and get roms, and flash them. Then the process starts, a continuous posts of I can't , and it won't questions.
What gets me, you know they are not searching, because the post right above theirs has their problem right in the thread title. Saw one of those yesterday somewhere.
Ka dumb a$s, duh!
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Btw .. OP, I am going to apologize for semi hi-jacking your thread. It was wrong. Sorry sir. Seriously.

I think by now the OP has read your Guide, plus others and is now running and enjoying a custom rom--

rugmankc said:
I think by now the OP has read your Guide, plus others and is now running and enjoying a custom rom--
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This! Also I got very intimidated by all the people screaming at me. I did a bunch of research before I asked the question and was still confused hence the question I'm not an xda idiot but the s4 was already very big in modding when I joined whereas the infuse and vivid had just started to get cwm and root when I got them so I grew with the romers I apologize for looking so nooby since reading the first post I now have a auto Loki cwm and root access and am running the Google edition ROM thank you all for the suggestions and links
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Glad you got it--
Don't feel bad sometimes we need to vent--nothing personal
I came here in early May from the One S and close to 3.5 years of flashing HTC devices with the advantage of unlocked bootloaders thru fastboot. But, still felt like a noob here--still do--
Odin/Kies/Loki were all new. Esp loki. I have spent hundreds of hours reading probably a couple thousand posts. Still learning. It does take a lot of effort to figure this out for some of us--like me.
But, a good investment as one needs to not only know how but why--to not lose a pricey phone--
Welcome to the S4--Unbelievable Phone--:good: