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Good idea or bad idea? HTC mulling own phone OS

Looks like HTC is considering creating their own smartphone OS:
http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=5814
Good idea or a bad one? I vote bad since it does nothing but dilute the market even further. And while their Sense UI on WinMo may be buggy because of the fact that it runs on top of WinMo, it's not encouraging to see that they haven't found a way to fix the problem with their text messaging app after all this time.
And who will write apps for that OS?

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Bad Idea.
Android is too new to just write it off at this point in the game. I know it has its issues, but I personally think it's the future.
Windows Phone 7 is brand-spankin' new. I don't like it, considering all that I've heard about it. Like how they plan to lock it down. But if they can get a decent app store up and running, they could be competing with Apple very quickly. Never count Microsoft out. Google made that mistake and now look at Bing.
iPhone OS 4.0: Apple pretty much just granted 90% of the wishes that people harbored. Sure, it's still locked down, but my friends swear by their iPhones. Personally, I can't stand 'em. I even gave my 2yo daughter my iPod Touch (2nd Gen), no joke.
Maemo and Nokia are now in bed together, which means that Android is in for a world of hurt, at least in Japan and Europe.
Too many cell phone manufacturers roll their own OS. This is always a problem with people like me, who want to be able to control their phones.
If HTC were to release the OS source code, I would be happy to give it a shot. Unfortunately that only happens when the OS is based on an already-open system, like Linux
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Ack, looks like I can't add it after I create it. Perhaps a mod can add it for me.

HTC is currently believed to be the leader in the pack of companies that are expressing interest in buying Palm, now that it's officially accepting offers.
WebOS is a great operating system just looking for some proper hardware and market penetration...and we all know who has plenty of both!

sirphunkee said:
HTC is currently believed to be the leader in the pack of companies that are expressing interest in buying Palm, now that it's officially accepting offers.
WebOS is a great operating system just looking for some proper hardware and market penetration...and we all know who has plenty of both!
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+1
WebOS, under proper management and direction, and coupled with HTC's literal hardware design genius could be something I'd consider serious potential competition for Android.

Android phones outsell iPhone 2-to-1

source: http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ones_outsell_iPhone_2_to_1_says_research_firm
now that is music to my ears
Take that apple!
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Apple is getting the same treatement as before, they open the market and gets beaten by the "open" side!
Android FTW!

AllGamer said:
source: http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ones_outsell_iPhone_2_to_1_says_research_firm
now that is music to my ears
Take that apple!
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Analysts explained the Android boom by pointing out the plethora of manufacturers that equip their smartphones with Google's mobile operating system, and highlighting their availability on all the major U.S. carriers.
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It was bound to happen sooner or later.

why does it makes you so happy? i just dont get it

mike.sw said:
why does it makes you so happy? i just dont get it
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Because everybody wants to make sure that they bought the best smartphone of the universe, therefore they need constant reassurances like this, so that there is no need for any fear or envy.
BTT:
Well, Android vs. iPhone marketshare doesn't say anything really. I mean, Apple is competing with four iOS devices against (insert number here) Android devices. And now there are only 3GS and 4 available at high prices, whereas Android devices are much more affordable.
So this news makes the same sense as saying that BMW has a much higher market share than Porsche.

but did you know that apple had their highest revenue last quarter?
but it includes all their products, with the highest percentage from IPAD.
their iphone sales also is of high numbers.
they just have really good marketing that people(with no technical experience mostly) tend to buy them forgetting their flaws.
not that our phones don't...
as was stated by XQC, selling more android phones than iphones is surely because there are a lot more manufacturers that offer it to the public.
of course, I really would want to see apple's sales decline in the near future...

lemmy_0 said:
but did you know that apple had their highest revenue last quarter?
but it includes all their products, with the highest percentage from IPAD.
their iphone sales also is of high numbers.
they just have really good marketing that people(with no technical experience mostly) tend to buy them forgetting their flaws.
not that our phones don't...
as was stated by XQC, selling more android phones than iphones is surely because there are a lot more manufacturers that offer it to the public.
of course, I really would want to see apple's sales decline in the near future...
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That doesn't mean much.. It actually turns out that RIM had it's biggest earnings too, as well as many other companies. In fact, RIM reckons Apple used earlier figures from other companies during their bragging, which is why they appeared so awesome. in comparison to other companies.
It's more likely iPhone sales are slowing down at the moment, and Apple simply gained bigger profits per device during that period.
The reality is,

Well to be fair apple only has 1/2 iphones out vs 10bilion android phones, and they're just so much more profitable because their current customers would probably still buy the new iphone even if it was $1000. They just have such a high retention rate, and keep getting new customers who want apple because their products look nice, and they have been told it's easier to use.
They get incredible word of mouth advertising from their customers.
And i mean, every company use weird numbers for their competition, but it seems very clear to me that apple is very dirty with this (i.e: device activation vs android...)

I an happy because apple slowing down and android rise means I can choose from many manufacturers.
Also apple is distorting consumer which has to be stopped. Their success is due to extensive advertisement which portrayed apple product users as trendy and cool. That's cheap way to sell product. Also they focus more on looks than quality which will degrade quality of the product and consumer's expectation overall. For example nano has one of the worst sound quality yet it is dominating mp3. As more nano is being sold, consumers care less about sound quality which in fact is the most important for mp3... And quality of mp3 in general has gone down for all mp3. Same applies to phone. People are happily buying phone that drops call.... People are starting not to care what's important and are just trying to be cool....
These were what apple was doing over past few years. I an very happy to see that it is finally ending..
I am sensing apple's draconian era coming down and era where users can voice and innovate is coming. These all makes me happy
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this is because the fruit yet to show its true color!
lets see what happen in 2011 with this:
http://www.examiner.com/iphone-games-in-long-island/apple-ordeing-25-million-verizon-iphones

lifeisjustgreat said:
this is because the fruit yet to show its true color!
lets see what happen in 2011 with this:
http://www.examiner.com/iphone-games-in-long-island/apple-ordeing-25-million-verizon-iphones
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This doesn't explain how android dominate in other country than us.
World best ufc champion can not win a fight against 5 people. Even kindergartners can figure that out.
Btw apple is not worlds best champion in any way. Just used that analogy to prove a point.
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XQC said:
BTT:
Well, Android vs. iPhone marketshare doesn't say anything really. I mean, Apple is competing with four iOS devices against (insert number here) Android devices. And now there are only 3GS and 4 available at high prices, whereas Android devices are much more affordable.
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Exactly - the news posted in the first post mean... nothing or at least nothing good for Android-based smartphones, because Apple holds 1/3 of the market whilst 2/3 belongs to the number of other brands.
This is the reason they had the best revenue ever.
Anyway I can't understand one thing. Why people still want to pay huge amount of money for Apple devices (average price of iPhone 4 16GB is 1.3-1.5 times higher than SGS 16GB).
I know that owning a device with beaten apple logo makes people dignified, maybe that's it...
I am an open adversary of Apple because of their policies - as far as I can remember you need a MacOS-family system to develop applications for iOS.
Android apps may be developed under any OS.
Correct me if I am wrong.
To square up I would hardcode a 'feature' for the Eclipse ADT plugin to make it not working with MacOS versions of Eclipse
Sincerely,
Android Dev

ca7846 said:
This doesn't explain how android dominate in other country than us.
World best ufc champion can not win a fight against 5 people. Even kindergartners can figure that out.
Btw apple is not worlds best champion in any way. Just used that analogy to prove a point.
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other than US, which country android has domination ? at least not here in my country as i see all are fruits around. many still do not know what android is.
btw, i am in singapore.

Sweet! but it was inevitable to begin with...

ca7846 said:
I an happy because apple slowing down and android rise means I can choose from many manufacturers.
Also apple is distorting consumer which has to be stopped. Their success is due to extensive advertisement which portrayed apple product users as trendy and cool. That's cheap way to sell product. Also they focus more on looks than quality which will degrade quality of the product and consumer's expectation overall. For example nano has one of the worst sound quality yet it is dominating mp3. As more nano is being sold, consumers care less about sound quality which in fact is the most important for mp3... And quality of mp3 in general has gone down for all mp3. Same applies to phone. People are happily buying phone that drops call.... People are starting not to care what's important and are just trying to be cool....
These were what apple was doing over past few years. I an very happy to see that it is finally ending..
I am sensing apple's draconian era coming down and era where users can voice and innovate is coming. These all makes me happy
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Apple is the first and only company to use marketing to portray their products as "trendy or cool"
Also a lot of people buy apple products because many of them buy Apple products because *gasp* they like the products, the iPhone 4 is a very good product, the antenna issue is not as big a deal as some people want it to be.
The sound quality of an nano is more than good enough for most people, most people can't (and don't want to) tell the difference between two different mp3 players. Their quality control when it comes to interface has been way higher than android (though android is catching up).
Despite what android fan-boys want to believe they have been an incredibly innovative company over the last few years and the high controls they have over their products does have it's advantages (disadvantages as well of course).

nothing to do with that really.
it's just sad to see all your family and friends want to buy an iphone just because it's an iphone
it's like you see your friends being brainwashed and you can't do crap about it, to stop them from being sheeps taken to the cull
many times i ask my customers or friends "why do you need to buy an iphone?"
the typical answer is "i don't know, it's cool" ....
then another relevant question to bring out the light
"what are you going to do with the iphone" typical answer "duh, what do you use a phone for? make phone calls, and listen to music"
then i go "that's my point, any phone can do that now in days, why does it needs to be an iphone?" ... their answer again "i dunno"
i give that to apple, they have a very good marketing team, that knows how to brainwash people without them even knowing it... sigh... -_-
XQC said:
Because everybody wants to make sure that they bought the best smartphone of the universe, therefore they need constant reassurances like this, so that there is no need for any fear or envy.
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TNStrangelove said:
Apple is the first and only company to use marketing to portray their products as "trendy or cool"
Also a lot of people buy apple products because many of them buy Apple products because *gasp* they like the products, the iPhone 4 is a very good product, the antenna issue is not as big a deal as some people want it to be.
The sound quality of an nano is more than good enough for most people, most people can't (and don't want to) tell the difference between two different mp3 players. Their quality control when it comes to interface has been way higher than android (though android is catching up).
Despite what android fan-boys want to believe they have been an incredibly innovative company over the last few years and the high controls they have over their products does have it's advantages (disadvantages as well of course).
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Thanks for your reply. You have just confirmed my argument about apple's distortion by being a prime example.
How a phone is good quality if it can't make call? What is the PHONE? What you are saying is that "hey that car got a good design both exterior and interior, nice wheels, spacious room. It's a good quality even though it can't run." Yes it might not happen to everybody. However, would you purchase that car if you had the prior knowledge that the car have a chance that it might not run? You did for iphone...
This is apple's distortion. They are good at interface and some cool features, I admit that. Users are clouded by these features, and design so they start not to care about what's really important. The phone has to be able to make a phone call. A phone having a slight chance of not able to make a phone call is simply unacceptable. Just as car with malfunctioning engine is not acceptable.
I have other arguments about nano and extensive advertisement, but they are irrelevant to this forum so I will stop here.
BTW I am not an android fan boy. I am just anti-apple. I am using android because I am not distorted by apple.

for a good laugh heres the Android vs Iphone cartoon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bcryQUuDwM
* i absolutely despise iphones with a passion, the only apple product i currently hold is an ipod nano. I bought it because of formfactor (slim) specifications. Which is also the reason i bought the SGS, cause there both slim.

Well, it surely is good to see people not blinded by the fruit!
I too despise the iDevice with a passion, but the main reason I like that Android outsells iPhone is because it will bring more apps, more developpers, more choice, more for us!

AllGamer said:
nothing to do with that really.
it's just sad to see all your family and friends want to buy an iphone just because it's an iphone
it's like you see your friends being brainwashed and you can't do crap about it, to stop them from being sheeps taken to the cull
many times i ask my customers or friends "why do you need to buy an iphone?"
the typical answer is "i don't know, it's cool" ....
then another relevant question to bring out the light
"what are you going to do with the iphone" typical answer "duh, what do you use a phone for? make phone calls, and listen to music"
then i go "that's my point, any phone can do that now in days, why does it needs to be an iphone?" ... their answer again "i dunno"
i give that to apple, they have a very good marketing team, that knows how to brainwash people without them even knowing it... sigh... -_-
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and this is not a brainwash?
i often ask people why they want android... you know the answers right?
1) it's not apple
2) it's "open"
LOL.
of-course android is outselling ios.
apple never try to dominate the market.
apple does make some good things and all this smartphone touchscreen market is pretty much invented by apple.

Some of you are morons....

I say this as someone who has great experience with multiple operating systems from windows 3.1 on, Mac, Linux, and stuff even older.
A heck of alot of the complaints I see belong in the realm of, "It doesn't make toast", well guess what it's not a toaster.
1. It doesn't run my favorite APP from my cell phone.
It's not a effing cell phone, when I switched from windows 3.1 to windows 98, guess what, some of the programs I had didn't run any more, that didn't mean that windows 98 was bad, just that the program was not designed with that operating system in mind and it took a while for the programmers to catch up.
2. It's not a PC.
Ya and guess what, it's not a toaster or a effing laptop, nor a fridgerator. If you are trying to run an application such as RDP that was built for a PC interface with a mouse and keyboard, guess what, it is probably going to be more difficult to use, you could buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to make it easier, but then it's not a tablet anymore, it's an effing 10.1 inch screen with a keyboard and mouse (ass monkey).
3. It's not perfect, or It doesn't come with flash, or the SD card is not enabled.
Holy ef, you knew when you bought the dammed thing that it was a new device and new operating system, did Microsoft ever get it right on the first try, did apple (please somebody argue that and I will be forced to bring up the first Mac crap operating system problems and iPhone 4).
4. Wait there are no tablet apps.
Do you remmber the Ipad release, they also had very little actual tablet apps, but they also had some of the iPhone apps that worked and people were willing to wait on the tablet apps to surface, guess what, we live in the same reality, not effing wizard of Oz land, although I do think you've been tripping among the poppies a little too much.
5. Hey, wait a sec I saw a post you made that said some bad things.
No ass monkey, I pointed out some problems I personal had using the device to 10 tenths of its ability, and I said that and mentioned that I fully expected most of the problems to be fixed with software updates, which I AM WILLING TO WAIT FOR! because I DID NOT EXPECT PERFECTION!
6. Well I expect perfecton,.
Well great then, as a video I once saw said (internet help desk), go buy an effing apple, it's a computer made for morons, I mean daddy's. They lock you into their hardware, their software, and their apps, guess what, eventally, more apps will be available for the more open system, has to be that way, and you will be stuck in the prison that is apple, don't drop the soap.
That is all.
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this summarizes a good amount of people that post in the xoom section of these forums

But...but...but...my XOOM DOES make toast!

richardjr said:
I say this as someone who has great experience with multiple operating systems from windows 3.1 on, Mac, Linux, and stuff even older.
A heck of alot of the complaints I see belong in the realm of, "It doesn't make toast", well guess what it's not a toaster.
1. It doesn't run my favorite APP from my cell phone.
It's not a effing cell phone, when I switched from windows 3.1 to windows 98, guess what, some of the programs I had didn't run any more, that didn't mean that windows 98 was bad, just that the program was not designed with that operating system in mind and it took a while for the programmers to catch up.
2. It's not a PC.
Ya and guess what, it's not a toaster or a effing laptop, nor a fridgerator. If you are trying to run an application such as RDP that was built for a PC interface with a mouse and keyboard, guess what, it is probably going to be more difficult to use, you could buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to make it easier, but then it's not a tablet anymore, it's an effing 10.1 inch screen with a keyboard and mouse (ass monkey).
3. It's not perfect, or It doesn't come with flash, or the SD card is not enabled.
Holy ef, you new when you bought the dammed thing that it was a new device and new operating system, did Microsoft ever get it right on the first try, did apple (please somebody argue that and I will be forced to bring up the first Mac crap operating system problems and iPhone 4).
4. Wait there are no tablet apps.
Do you remmber the Ipad release, they also had very little actual tablet apps, but they also had some of the iPhone apps that worked and people were willing to wait on the tablet apps to surface, guess what, we live in the same reality, not effing wizard of Oz land, although I do think you've been tripping among the poppies a little too much.
5. Hey, wait a sec I saw a post you made that said some bad things.
No ass monkey, I pointed out some problems I personal had using the device to 10 tenths of its ability, and I said that and mentioned that I fully expected most of the problems to be fixed with software updates, which I AM WILLING TO WAIT FOR! because I DID NOT EXPECT PERFECTION!
6. Well I expect perfecton,.
Well great then, as a video I once saw said (internet help desk), go buy an effing apple, it's a computer made for morons, I mean daddy's. They lock you into their hardware, their software, and their apps, guess what, eventally, more apps will be available for the more open system, has to be that way, and you will be stuck in the prison that is apple, don't drop the soap.
That is all.
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Jesus Christ, another sane one on this forum.
I must say I completely agree.
To the rest, you realize the negativity from your posts are driving away developers from this device don't you? They don't want to be mired with insipid, childish comments.
There ARE workaround for everything, and if there aren't its our job to come up with it. Case in point-> Google Voice guy that did the titanium backup-good on you man.

BlazinGTI said:
Jesus Christ, another sane one on this forum.
I must say I completely agree.
To the rest, you realize the negativity from your posts are driving away developers from this device don't you? They don't want to be mired with insipid, childish comments.
There ARE workaround for everything, and if there aren't its our job to come up with it. Case in point-> Google Voice guy that did the titanium backup-good on you man.
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I think its the price that is driving away developers.
And there are valid criticisms of the device just like any device. That is all.

richardjr said:
I say this as someone who has great experience with multiple operating systems from windows 3.1 on, Mac, Linux, and stuff even older.
A heck of alot of the complaints I see belong in the realm of, "It doesn't make toast", well guess what it's not a toaster.
1. It doesn't run my favorite APP from my cell phone.
It's not a effing cell phone, when I switched from windows 3.1 to windows 98, guess what, some of the programs I had didn't run any more, that didn't mean that windows 98 was bad, just that the program was not designed with that operating system in mind and it took a while for the programmers to catch up.
2. It's not a PC.
Ya and guess what, it's not a toaster or a effing laptop, nor a fridgerator. If you are trying to run an application such as RDP that was built for a PC interface with a mouse and keyboard, guess what, it is probably going to be more difficult to use, you could buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to make it easier, but then it's not a tablet anymore, it's an effing 10.1 inch screen with a keyboard and mouse (ass monkey).
3. It's not perfect, or It doesn't come with flash, or the SD card is not enabled.
Holy ef, you knew when you bought the dammed thing that it was a new device and new operating system, did Microsoft ever get it right on the first try, did apple (please somebody argue that and I will be forced to bring up the first Mac crap operating system problems and iPhone 4).
4. Wait there are no tablet apps.
Do you remmber the Ipad release, they also had very little actual tablet apps, but they also had some of the iPhone apps that worked and people were willing to wait on the tablet apps to surface, guess what, we live in the same reality, not effing wizard of Oz land, although I do think you've been tripping among the poppies a little too much.
5. Hey, wait a sec I saw a post you made that said some bad things.
No ass monkey, I pointed out some problems I personal had using the device to 10 tenths of its ability, and I said that and mentioned that I fully expected most of the problems to be fixed with software updates, which I AM WILLING TO WAIT FOR! because I DID NOT EXPECT PERFECTION!
6. Well I expect perfecton,.
Well great then, as a video I once saw said (internet help desk), go buy an effing apple, it's a computer made for morons, I mean daddy's. They lock you into their hardware, their software, and their apps, guess what, eventally, more apps will be available for the more open system, has to be that way, and you will be stuck in the prison that is apple, don't drop the soap.
That is all.
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You mad bro?
I love my Xoom but you're just regurgitating feelings at this point
BTW your point about RDP... it's really not bad if you dont have a mouse provided you don't expect the freakin world out of it. Getting into quickbooks is great from it, save my file as a PDF to my intranet and then pull it up from the tablet browser and e-mail it to the customer

muyoso said:
I think its the price that is driving away developers.
And there are valid criticisms of the device just like any device. That is all.
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That too definitely, the WiFi version will hopefully bring these guys on board.
Google has been doing everything in its power to sway these guys to the point of giving away Xoom's at the developer summit.

richardjr said:
I say this as someone who has great experience with multiple operating systems from windows 3.1 on, Mac, Linux, and stuff even older.
A heck of alot of the complaints I see belong in the realm of, "It doesn't make toast", well guess what it's not a toaster.
1. It doesn't run my favorite APP from my cell phone.
It's not a effing cell phone, when I switched from windows 3.1 to windows 98, guess what, some of the programs I had didn't run any more, that didn't mean that windows 98 was bad, just that the program was not designed with that operating system in mind and it took a while for the programmers to catch up.
2. It's not a PC.
Ya and guess what, it's not a toaster or a effing laptop, nor a fridgerator. If you are trying to run an application such as RDP that was built for a PC interface with a mouse and keyboard, guess what, it is probably going to be more difficult to use, you could buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to make it easier, but then it's not a tablet anymore, it's an effing 10.1 inch screen with a keyboard and mouse (ass monkey).
3. It's not perfect, or It doesn't come with flash, or the SD card is not enabled.
Holy ef, you knew when you bought the dammed thing that it was a new device and new operating system, did Microsoft ever get it right on the first try, did apple (please somebody argue that and I will be forced to bring up the first Mac crap operating system problems and iPhone 4).
4. Wait there are no tablet apps.
Do you remmber the Ipad release, they also had very little actual tablet apps, but they also had some of the iPhone apps that worked and people were willing to wait on the tablet apps to surface, guess what, we live in the same reality, not effing wizard of Oz land, although I do think you've been tripping among the poppies a little too much.
5. Hey, wait a sec I saw a post you made that said some bad things.
No ass monkey, I pointed out some problems I personal had using the device to 10 tenths of its ability, and I said that and mentioned that I fully expected most of the problems to be fixed with software updates, which I AM WILLING TO WAIT FOR! because I DID NOT EXPECT PERFECTION!
6. Well I expect perfecton,.
Well great then, as a video I once saw said (internet help desk), go buy an effing apple, it's a computer made for morons, I mean daddy's. They lock you into their hardware, their software, and their apps, guess what, eventally, more apps will be available for the more open system, has to be that way, and you will be stuck in the prison that is apple, don't drop the soap.
That is all.
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and this justifies all the Xoom shortcomings how?
the fact is that while what you mentioned is partly true, a device that cost on excess of $800 should not be half-baked. there some issues with the xoom as there were some issues with the ipad however, for a device that was suppose to dethrone the ipad it has fallen way short.

Dont know about toast but mine makes home made icecream.

neonflx said:
and this justifies all the Xoom shortcomings how?
the fact is that while what you mentioned is partly true, a device that cost on excess of $800 should not be half-baked. there some issues with the xoom as there were some issues with the ipad however, for a device that was suppose to dethrone the ipad it has fallen way short.
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Then don't buy it.
I don't like many of the short comings of the new electric cars that are coming out, so I didn't buy one. I also don't hang out at the electric car forums complaining about them. But that's just me...

arrtoodeetoo said:
But...but...but...my XOOM DOES make toast!
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ROFL Funny Stuff!

My account is old, but I lurk more than post (this'll be my 5th since creating the account in Dec 2007.) I haven't been reading here much lately because I got my N1 decked out and set up how i want it many moons ago. ROM Manager spoonfeeds me my CM RCs and stables and I go about my bidness, so I haven't been reading posts around here in several moons.
But I recently became a happy little Xoom owner so I've been dropping by for answers and tips over the weekend. And I've been a little concerned with the quality of the traffic in the Xoom section. As if mainstreamy publications' websites have been sending people here. Or maybe even links somewhere on AOL pointing to these forums.
Too bad the Xoom launch wasn't as low key as the N1 launch was. Too much mainstream media attention and twitter giveways brings in the unwashed masses.
So I was very relieved to see this aptly ranting post. The post and supportive responses have reassured me that the inmates have not actually taken over the asylum. It's good to see there are still people helping each other do stuff with their devices and that the complaining and trolling from fans of other OSes are indeed exceptions, not the norm.
so... yeah.

Well said. I have noticed the downward spiral on the xoom boards as well. With that being said, everyone needs to take a deep breath, understand that we all knew about what was going to be available at launch. Even before the hardware was released, I saw a difference in posts on these boards. Look, if you're unhappy with your purchase, them take it back... too easy. This board isn't for complaining about the xoom, that's the official motorola boards, so go there and talk to people who might care if you return it.
I am very impressed with my xoom, and cannot wait for it to mature beyond its current form.

Once some of the hype and crap dies down, all the trolls will leave too, and it will be just like any other device board. Just give it a little time for people to get the devices and post real things on these boards.
Maybe eventually it will move away from "omg I Love/Hate my Xoom" and "Xoom vs. iPad, Fight!" threads.

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Look how happy people are because of honeycomb... xoom is bi-winning
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Ha! Speak for yourself as you certainly don't speak for me. I don't need someone to explain it for me so does that make you the moron?

The main reason devs are staying away is that asop code from google hasn't been released yet.
We need to keep the pressure up on them moto and google or we'll be waiting 6 months or more for these fixes, like we had to wait for flash to drop with are og droids.
I'm still waiting for gingerbread to drop on my droid 2. I'll probably won't see it before I buy a new phone.
The squeaky wheel gets greased. Silent patience gets ignored. That's just the way the world works.
Just look at the healthcare debate. More attention was paid to hysterical teabaggers than to reasoned argument to the point where real healthcare reform was nearly totally neutered.
Had the og droid release been as bungled as the xoom, moto would be bankupt by now, and iOS would be the number one smartphone OS.
Google and Motorola got to get their asses in gear, before all this bad word of mouth kills high-end android tablet sales for the near future, and all that's left of the android tablet market is rooted nooks, and low end shoddy chinese tablets.
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BlazinGTI said:
That too definitely, the WiFi version will hopefully bring these guys on board.
Google has been doing everything in its power to sway these guys to the point of giving away Xoom's at the developer summit.
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Google does that often... When the Nexus 1 came out, they gave out a couple thousand as I recall...
And, the flood of tablets are coming. The app builders will build as soon as possible so they can be the first available. The developers know android is an extremely viable market. there is a great future ahead on the big screen... Give a couple months. Even the venerable iplate had many growing pains when first released but most people forget that.

kurttrail said:
The main reason devs are staying away is that asop code from google hasn't been released yet.
We need to keep the pressure up on them moto and google or we'll be waiting 6 months or more for these fixes, like we had to wait for flash to drop with are og droids.
I'm still waiting for gingerbread to drop on my droid 2. I'll probably won't see it before I buy a new phone.
The squeaky wheel gets greased. Silent patience gets ignored. That's just the way the world works.
Just look at the healthcare debate. More attention was paid to hysterical teabaggers than to reasoned argument to the point where real healthcare reform was nearly totally neutered.
Had the og droid release been as bungled as the xoom, moto would be bankupt by now, and iOS would be the number one smartphone OS.
Google and Motorola got to get their asses in gear, before all this bad word of mouth kills high-end android tablet sales for the near future, and all that's left of the android tablet market is rooted nooks, and low end shoddy chinese tablets.
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AOSP ASAP
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Loving mine!
richardjr said:
I say this as someone who has great experience with multiple operating systems from windows 3.1 on, Mac, Linux, and stuff even older.
A heck of alot of the complaints I see belong in the realm of, "It doesn't make toast", well guess what it's not a toaster.
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Well said! I don't get these people its like they think something else is miles ahead of Xoom. There isn't! the Ipad is the Ipad and I am not going to get into comparing the two. Yea the Xoom is expensive, yes it's cutting edge so it's not as polished. The Xoom is great hardware it's tough for anyone to say it's not wicked fast, the battery life is good, the screen has the highest resolution of ANY tablet. It's only going to get better once the software matures a little.
They all claim they are going to return it, what are they going to get after they return it thats better? Are they just feeling a little remorse because they really couldn't afford it to begin with? You have to pay to play, the "best" computer equipment is always at a premium.
I am tickled pink with mine, and sure when someone else comes out with a better tablet (they will) I will want that one but for now I am loving being on the cutting edge and being there at the start even if it does cost me.
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Steve Jobs says: iQuit

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As Reuters reports and Apple has confirmed, Apple CEO Steve Jobs is stepping down from his leadership position. Apple's Board of Directors has named Tim Cook the company's new CEO. Jobs has been elected Chairman of the Board.
"I have made some of the best friends of my life at Apple, and I thank you all for the many years of being able to work alongside you," Jobs wrote in his resignation letter.
Below is Apple's official press release on the announcement (via Business Wire):
Apple’s Board of Directors today announced that Steve Jobs has resigned as Chief Executive Officer, and the Board has named Tim Cook, previously Apple’s Chief Operating Officer, as the company’s new CEO. Jobs has been elected Chairman of the Board and Cook will join the Board, effective immediately.
“Steve’s extraordinary vision and leadership saved Apple and guided it to its position as the world’s most innovative and valuable technology company,” said Art Levinson, Chairman of Genentech, on behalf of Apple's Board. “Steve has made countless contributions to Apple’s success, and he has attracted and inspired Apple’s immensely creative employees and world class executive team. In his new role as Chairman of the Board, Steve will continue to serve Apple with his unique insights, creativity and inspiration.”
“The Board has complete confidence that Tim is the right person to be our next CEO,” added Levinson. “Tim’s 13 years of service to Apple have been marked by outstanding performance, and he has demonstrated remarkable talent and sound judgment in everything he does.”
Jobs submitted his resignation to the Board today and strongly recommended that the Board implement its succession plan and name Tim Cook as CEO.
As COO, Cook was previously responsible for all of the company’s worldwide sales and operations, including end-to-end management of Apple’s supply chain, sales activities, and service and support in all markets and countries. He also headed Apple’s Macintosh division and played a key role in the continued development of strategic reseller and supplier relationships, ensuring flexibility in response to an increasingly demanding marketplace.
Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world, along with OS X, iLife, iWork and professional software. Apple leads the digital music revolution with its iPods and iTunes online store. Apple has reinvented the mobile phone with its revolutionary iPhone and App Store, and has recently introduced iPad 2 which is defining the future of mobile media and computing devices.
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The Wall Street Journal published a letter from Steve Jobs announcing his resignation:
PRESS RELEASE: Letter from Steve Jobs
August 24, 2011–To the Apple Board of Directors and the Apple Community:
I have always said if there ever came a day when I could no longer meet my duties and expectations as Apple’s CEO, I would be the first to let you know. Unfortunately, that day has come.
I hereby resign as CEO of Apple. I would like to serve, if the Board sees fit, as Chairman of the Board, director and Apple employee.
As far as my successor goes, I strongly recommend that we execute our succession plan and name Tim Cook as CEO of Apple.
I believe Apple’s brightest and most innovative days are ahead of it. And I look forward to watching and contributing to its success in a new role.
I have made some of the best friends of my life at Apple, and I thank you all for the many years of being able to work alongside you.
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According to Reuters, Apple shares fell following the announcement.

Hopefully I won't get shunned by the community for this, but I'm actually a little disappointed.
I do really like Apple products, and I think without Jobs, they're going to become less of a competitor in the future. Less competition can make Android handset makers lazy because they aren't trying to steal the iPhone business.
And it's definitely going to hurt the tablet market. I like some of the newer tablets, but IMO, the iPad is still the best available right now. And if the iPad slows down, the tablets won't be in a hurry to catch up.
Maybe I'll be wrong. And maybe you guys won't hate me for that rant.

godsmacked4653 said:
Hopefully I won't get shunned by the community for this, but I'm actually a little disappointed.
I do really like Apple products, and I think without Jobs, they're going to become less of a competitor in the future. Less competition can make Android handset makers lazy because they aren't trying to steal the iPhone business.
And it's definitely going to hurt the tablet market. I like some of the newer tablets, but IMO, the iPad is still the best available right now. And if the iPad slows down, the tablets won't be in a hurry to catch up.
Maybe I'll be wrong. And maybe you guys won't hate me for that rant.
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Nope, I agree. If I had a choice I would go with the iPad.
I think he was just done. Everyone gets burned out eventually. We're better for what he brought us. Honestly I'm a little sad now for the Mac world.

godsmacked4653 said:
Hopefully I won't get shunned by the community for this, but I'm actually a little disappointed.
I do really like Apple products, and I think without Jobs, they're going to become less of a competitor in the future. Less competition can make Android handset makers lazy because they aren't trying to steal the iPhone business.
And it's definitely going to hurt the tablet market. I like some of the newer tablets, but IMO, the iPad is still the best available right now. And if the iPad slows down, the tablets won't be in a hurry to catch up.
Maybe I'll be wrong. And maybe you guys won't hate me for that rant.
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Jobs is a -EDIT- socialist corporate dictator in the stylings of a 1939-1945 German politician or a Stalin-era Soviet autocrat. I'm quite certain he hasn't killed anyone or tried to exterminate anything... except the competition, through any means possible.

wildstang83 said:
I think he was just done. Everyone gets burned out eventually. We're better for what he brought us. Honestly I'm a little sad now for the Mac world.
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Yeah he has pancreatic cancer so it's not exactly like he's tired of it, he's not healthy enough and probably some days unable to think at full capacity because of treatments.
Jobs is a NAZI.
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Obvious stupidity right there.
Apple has brought some amazing products and though I don't agree with the way they handle control over their products they still were and are pioneers in the portable MP3 player, smartphone and tablet world.

loonatik78 said:
Jobs is a NAZI.
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No, he is a very very wealthy business man. Are you even old enough to know the true meaning of that word? Thats pretty offensive to thtow that around, you look like a complete idiot.
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POQbum said:
Apple has brought some amazing products and though I don't agree with the way they handle control over their products they still were and are pioneers in the portable MP3 player, smartphone and tablet world.
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+1 on that. I prefer Android, (obviously) but Apple started the non-business smartphone thing which opened up the market for Android.
The control thing is also an issue with me, but you can't argue with results. Apple is successful and tons of people use their stuff. They're obviously doing something right.

That blows man.
At least he'll have a more hands-on connection with the board of directors though.

donnyp1 said:
No, he is a very very wealthy business man. Are you even old enough to know the true meaning of that word? Thats pretty offensive to thtow that around, you look like a complete idiot.
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I'm old enough to remember what it was like to screw around on computers with dual 5.25 drives and monochrome screens, as well as the days Jobs was flying the Jolly Rodger over the headquarters of Apple. He's NOT an electronics innovator, he never was! Waz was the innovator! He screwed around with some code and got Apple where it is today though an overwhelmingly adversarial mode of management and leadership. I remember the Apple II... and do you know why? Because my dad was a developer on Unix platforms most of my life and the machines I played with at home as a kid blew those heaps of crap out of the water. Machines like the Leading Edge and the Compaq Deskpro series of 286 and 386 machines. Am I the ONLY one that knows where the GUI for the Mac came from??? It's not like Apple invented it! They basically STOLE it! Not that Gates is a whole lot better, but gimme a break people! Jobs is quite possibly the most cut-throat, aggressive man to ever rise to corporate power!
Does he have a vision? Yup. Is he successful? Sure is. Would I EVER buy an Apple product? Absolutely not. I don't like the philosophy of Steve Jobs. I don't like his management. I don't like his character. I don't like his history. I don't like the path he's led computing down in many regards. I don't like his belief in the "walled garden" user experience. If someone wants to argue Jobs hasn't run Apple as a dictator, you have NO legs to stand on. Through sheer force of personality, that man has pitted people against people like pit bulls in a dog fight. He's put his vision and his philosophies ahead of even the good of that company, which is how his ass got tossed the first time before he founded NeXT, which would certainly have gone belly up if not for a buy-out from Apple!
As for the fool who called my likening him to a NAZI stupid, consider that Jobs is WIDELY regarded as a man who'd sell his own mother to get the next iPhone out of development. He's a political and organizational socialist, in much the same style as NAZI and Soviet leadership. His cult of personality fits right in with them too. He's got this vision of an Apple world, and an Apple experience, but I can't see where he's ever given a damn about people's lives. The guy is only alive today because he bought his way onto every organ transplant list in the United States to get his liver!
Hate on me all you want, but I'm right. I don't like the guy. I've just explained why. If you've got a problem with this, do the RIGHT thing and PM me. Don't turn this into some flame war. I won't be back to this thread to be tempted.

Wow to both the previous comment and Steve Jobs stepping down.

loonatik78 said:
Jobs is a NAZI.
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well thats a harsh comment personally i like apple products and ios would i buy one instead of an android device? probably why? because android basically came from ios if you look at android and ios and compare how theyve grown everytime ios grows android seems to grow also there would be no android without ios without ios we would still be on cupcacke....what jobs has done with apple is awesome hopefully him backing down doesnt effect their products.

That's quite a surprise for the man that changed the way we saw the computer, literally.
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I like Apple products because of two things:
1. It's more techno gadgetry to play with.
2. Their shiny.

loonatik78 said:
I'm old enough to remember what it was like to screw around on computers with dual 5.25 drives and monochrome screens, as well as the days Jobs was flying the Jolly Rodger over the headquarters of Apple. He's NOT an electronics innovator, he never was! Waz was the innovator! He screwed around with some code and got Apple where it is today though an overwhelmingly adversarial mode of management and leadership. I remember the Apple II... and do you know why? Because my dad was a developer on Unix platforms most of my life and the machines I played with at home as a kid blew those heaps of crap out of the water. Machines like the Leading Edge and the Compaq Deskpro series of 286 and 386 machines. Am I the ONLY one that knows where the GUI for the Mac came from??? It's not like Apple invented it! They basically STOLE it! Not that Gates is a whole lot better, but gimme a break people! Jobs is quite possibly the most cut-throat, aggressive man to ever rise to corporate power!
Does he have a vision? Yup. Is he successful? Sure is. Would I EVER buy an Apple product? Absolutely not. I don't like the philosophy of Steve Jobs. I don't like his management. I don't like his character. I don't like his history. I don't like the path he's led computing down in many regards. I don't like his belief in the "walled garden" user experience. If someone wants to argue Jobs hasn't run Apple as a dictator, you have NO legs to stand on. Through sheer force of personality, that man has pitted people against people like pit bulls in a dog fight. He's put his vision and his philosophies ahead of even the good of that company, which is how his ass got tossed the first time before he founded NeXT, which would certainly have gone belly up if not for a buy-out from Apple!
As for the fool who called my likening him to a NAZI stupid, consider that Jobs is WIDELY regarded as a man who'd sell his own mother to get the next iPhone out of development. He's a political and organizational socialist, in much the same style as NAZI and Soviet leadership. His cult of personality fits right in with them too. He's got this vision of an Apple world, and an Apple experience, but I can't see where he's ever given a damn about people's lives. The guy is only alive today because he bought his way onto every organ transplant list in the United States to get his liver!
Hate on me all you want, but I'm right. I don't like the guy. I've just explained why. If you've got a problem with this, do the RIGHT thing and PM me. Don't turn this into some flame war. I won't be back to this thread to be tempted.
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There are definitely some valid points there. There are several fallacies, too.
Was Jobs an overbearing ****? Probably. In a social settings, that's terrible. In a business setting? It's genius.
Apple's "walled garden" creates an unparalleled experience for the consumer. Set yourself up with a nice Mac, an iPhone and an iPad, and see how easy it is to stream media to every room in your house, your TV, etc. On top of that, everything in uniform and is actually held to, if nothing else, an aesthetic standard. The apps are interface are very high quality and 99% work just as they should, all the time. I, for one, am very envious of that.
My Incredible doesn't play nice with Windows all the time. Sometimes I download what sounds like a really cool app, only to find out the interface sucks or it crashes all the time because the developer hasn't updated it for Gingerbread. I can't expect my phone to stay updated, because technology moves incredibly fast and Verizon is greedy and holds out on said updates, as we've all seen recently here. With an Apple product? I'll get the same update as everyone else, the day it comes out, and it won't involve Verizon forcing me to have Slacker radio installed on my phone.
Google (and Microsoft, Nokia, whoever) can try as hard as they want to stomp out that "walled garden," but that simplicity and efficiency is totally unmatched on any other platform. For the average, not-so-tech-savvy user, (parents, girlfriends, that one dumb friend) putting them in a walled garden is genius. They can't break anything.
Personally, I think that's what Steve Jobs is leaving behind; an amazing marketing strategy and a fully realized vision of a simplified automation of technology aiding the average person in their everyday life. Not "being a big mean Nazi at the head of a company."
PS.
Just for reference, I love my Incredible, I had a Moto Droid before it, and my next phone will hopefully be an EVO 3D. I use Google Music and Banshee, and I dual-boot Win7 and Ubuntu. I'll probably have a Google TV by the end of the year. I am by no means an Apple fanboy. Don't even have an iPod. I'm just calling it how I see it.
/rant
Edit: I would like to add in wildstang's excellent point.
Apple products are shiny.

godsmacked4653 said:
There are definitely some valid points there. There are several fallacies, too.
Was Jobs an overbearing ****? Probably. In a social settings, that's terrible. In a business setting? It's genius.
Apple's "walled garden" creates an unparalleled experience for the consumer. Set yourself up with a nice Mac, an iPhone and an iPad, and see how easy it is to stream media to every room in your house, your TV, etc. On top of that, everything in uniform and is actually held to, if nothing else, an aesthetic standard. The apps are interface are very high quality and 99% work just as they should, all the time. I, for one, am very envious of that.
My Incredible doesn't play nice with Windows all the time. Sometimes I download what sounds like a really cool app, only to find out the interface sucks or it crashes all the time because the developer hasn't updated it for Gingerbread. I can't expect my phone to stay updated, because technology moves incredibly fast and Verizon is greedy and holds out on said updates, as we've all seen recently here. With an Apple product? I'll get the same update as everyone else, the day it comes out, and it won't involve Verizon forcing me to have Slacker radio installed on my phone.
Google (and Microsoft, Nokia, whoever) can try as hard as they want to stomp out that "walled garden," but that simplicity and efficiency is totally unmatched on any other platform. For the average, not-so-tech-savvy user, (parents, girlfriends, that one dumb friend) putting them in a walled garden is genius. They can't break anything.
Personally, I think that's what Steve Jobs is leaving behind; an amazing marketing strategy and a fully realized vision of a simplified automation of technology aiding the average person in their everyday life. Not "being a big mean Nazi at the head of a company."
PS.
Just for reference, I love my Incredible, I had a Moto Droid before it, and my next phone will hopefully be an EVO 3D. I use Google Music and Banshee, and I dual-boot Win7 and Ubuntu. I'll probably have a Google TV by the end of the year. I am by no means an Apple fanboy. Don't even have an iPod. I'm just calling it how I see it.
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Edit: I would like to add in wildstang's excellent point.
Apple products are shiny.
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ok..... I was tempted and came back.
I will agree with every point you just made. I don't see how it conflicts with anything I said, either. And yeah.... they sure are shiny!
That said, the guy really did run the place into the ground before he was expelled. He's effectively destroyed Apple as a legitimate computer company today. Anything running OSX is obsolete before it hits the shelves. OSX, itself, is obsolete and poorly maintained. Apple USED to be something to lust over in computers, and then they got wierder, and weirder and more expensive, and the walls of that garden nearly crushed them. I think the cold hard reality is that their stuff is overpriced for what you get, it's becoming more a pain in the ass to use, ESPECIALLY if you don't want to become "one with the Steve Jobs way", and if they continue down a path of eco-system isolation, you're going to eventually see an Apple that looks like it did in the G4 era. And nobody ever thought that giant would go bust 5 or 6 years before that! ....they're already going down the road of weird proprietary connectors again! I think he's been lucky as much as "visionary".

He ran it into the ground?
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-has-more-cash-on-hand-than-the-us-government-2011-7 then how do they have more money than the federal government? That isnt running it to the grou.d.
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loonatik78 said:
Jobs is a -EDIT- socialist corporate dictator in the stylings of a 1939-1945 German politician or a Stalin-era Soviet autocrat. I'm quite certain he hasn't killed anyone or tried to exterminate anything... except the competition, through any means possible.
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Corporations and socialism don't mix.
You don't know what socialism actually means. To help you along with your education, here's the definition:
Socialism - an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled cooperatively
You can dislike somebody without stooping to calling them a Nazi or socialist, especially when they don't carry any of those traits- and in this case the total opposite traits. Apple is as capitalistic as they come.
// After already going back and forth with you in a couple of threads before, I'm tired of it. So I won't reply to whatever rebuttal you have, no matter how offensive, pretentious or ill-informed it is.
I hope Steve Jobs gets better and people like you educate themselves.

donnyp1 said:
He ran it into the ground?
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-has-more-cash-on-hand-than-the-us-government-2011-7 then how do they have more money than the federal government? That isnt running it to the grou.d.
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I was actually going to point this out. Apple is an extremely wealthy company.
Not sure how everything Apple makes is "obsolete as soon as it hits the shelves," either. Their retina display is head and shoulders above nearly every other handset screen available. OS X is more or less leading in terms of desktop interface. Windows and even some Linux distros are copying the OS X desktop. And the iPad still pretty much beats every other tablet by miles.

loonatik78 said:
. . . He's effectively destroyed Apple as a legitimate computer company today. Anything running OSX is obsolete before it hits the shelves. OSX, itself, is obsolete and poorly maintained. . . I think the cold hard reality is that their stuff is overpriced for what you get, it's becoming more a pain in the ass to use ...they're already going down the road of weird proprietary connectors again! . . .
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The original iPad was all about proprietary connectors, as are most of their portables. But, the marketplace supports their interfaces rather robustly.
Their Macs have all sorts of interfaces and are again industry-supported to a wide degree.
You're offering zombie Apple-hating points that have been spouted for many years, yet Apple's been doing generally quite well for some time.
Although, it seems you don't even know the difference between a German Nazi (i.e., National Socialist German Workers) Party and actual socialism. "Socialist" was placed in the Nazi Party name to lure in the real socialists (who were considered enemies of the party's goals), if I recall correctly.
So, perhaps I should suspect your similarly "off" assertions about Apple's successes and Steve Jobs role, as well.
And, I don't even like Apple products.
- ooofest

I'm not a fan of Apple products either, but from a competition standpoint, it's a necessary evil. The more competition, the better for the consumer. But from a business standpoint they just aren't open enough to be compatible with a corporate windows network.

Goodbye ASUS and Android

No more ASUS for me

Never posted before, but what a silly post. Perhaps Microsoft should not develop any further versions of windows as it will 'harm' their past users? Perhaps no-one should develop any new technology as some will be left behind, perhaps we should have stuck to bows and arrows? It is well known that Android is a more fragmented eco system than Apple. Perhaps you should have thought about this more and researched your purchase a little better. You sound more suited to Apple quite honestly, fanboy in the making.

Meh. Whatever. Have fun with Apple. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".

just lou said:
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Yes, i opened the thread believing it contained something positive regarding Asus and Google. Instead i was rewarded with petty drivel.

If you're looking for somebody to talk you out of it (which you must be, you wouldn't have made a post otherwise), don't bother looking. We don't need you to stay. Go ahead and jump.
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just lou said:
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Lol...funny i was thinking something similar. Funny thread.
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baseballfanz said:
to me the TF was a "good buy"
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had to thank that 1 lol
i love my TF ICS or not

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
I find it funny about his complaints of Asus/Android. It's not a flaw of Android by any means.
Should Android stop releasing operating systems? No! They have nothing to do with hardware. Their goal is to develop competent software with reasonable releases, and they do that.
This intermediate time of merging the software onto the hardware? Yes, it is annoying, but it's expected. Android releases their software at the same time to EVERYONE. It takes time to develop the OS for a product. This time exists in Apple products as well most likely, but Apple has the fortunate benefit of not releasing the software until AFTER it has been fitted for the limited number of devices they control, because they are both a hardware AND software company.
Give it time. ICS will be here eventually. I'm patient. In the meantime, I will keep running paulbrennan's build and enjoy what we already have.

2011CorvetteZR1 said:
I, for one, have had enough with Android and Google. Android/Google are forever building new versions of code that manufacturing companies can not keep up with.
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And what do you think, other developers do what? Apple does the same (no wonder the old iPhones aren't supported by iOS4 and 5), just like Microsoft, Samsung, Nokia, etcetera.
New codebase is the key to the future - with new functions built in, it can be a more widespread generic base, where manufacturers have less to modify to make their own taste. And manufacturers aren't able to keep up? Seriously, if they only made a device tree, and sent it to Cyanogen Team with a few test devices, they'd have more profit than ever. They could keep up, and they are not willing to do so because then the newer devices wouldn't sell. Just like Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, etc.
Manufacturer's are not going to spend profits on older products, they already got your money! Why is Google forever coming up with new versions? Android is in developement and always trying to be like Apple. I am an android developer and thought I would be happy with developing for 50% of the market users. 50% of the market users but in the corporate world the ratio is much different.
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The Android Market has millions of devices connected (I recall someone saying over 300million). So to target only the 50%, you'd have to make an application what is useful for almost everyone. Then count with the other devs who thought about the same, and you'll drop below 20% in the most optimistic case. You can never reach 50% if you're not a name already (like EA Games, Gameloft, and other huge companies). Or if you can't afford heavy marketing, adverts, etc.
Companies that provide employees with phones and tablets is where Apple rules. Why is that? Apple products are just better. They are not cheap plastic, creaky things where every one if different and not hardly one is on the same version. I do not have an iPhone because I refuse to pay carrier's pricing but all I want from a phone is phone calls, gps, access to emails, and some web browsing.
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WRONG. Companies buy iPhones for their employees because they have contracts with a given carrier. They get them in huge numbers for cheap, because Apple is pushing them (the carriers). They get huge bonuses just because that, not to talk about a lot bigger user base.
Apple things don't rule. They are made of the same plastic, metal, and other parts (ICs, SoCs, etc), as 99% of these are manufactured in China, even assembled in China! There was a picture, where it showed that the same factory was producing iPhones on a line, and next to it were cheap tablets and phones and mp4 players, and they were using the same material, electronics, etc.
At Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, and so on, you're paying for the brand - actually, some of the Chinese stuff can be better for half the price. Justsayin'
Phones are not game systems or video players - I am not going to watch a full length movie on a 4" screen.
Tablets on the other hand might be video players and I might play a game and I certainly will surf the web and read emails.
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Phones aren't, you're right, but when you're on the bus for 30mins, sitting in a line for the dentist, and so on, you can't have your xbox, ps3, wii with you. But you have your phone. So it's a fine time to watch a short movie (an episode of some series, etc), or play something funny (Angry Birds for an example).
Tablets are the same, except bigger, and you can use them as a smaller form PC or laptop.
I do not have an iPAD because I thought android was better. It is not and is always trying to one up Apple but Google can not even catch up to Apple nevermind get ahead of them.
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Then you think wrong. Both sides have their own pros and cons, but Google is definitely ruling Apple with Android, for the first time. There were more Android phone activations just during the holidays, than iPhone sales during a YEAR.
I had high hopes for ICS but doubt it will ever come on h/w that I already own - thanks ASUS, but I understand. Why no ICS yet? Because ASUS is working on their next device as they try to make a better product than Apple.
Interesting, first you say Google shouldn't make updates, now you cry for not getting one?
If ASUS cant take google code and get it ported into a device and not have problems then why are they selling the product. The prime GPS stinks but they continue to sell them, ASUS fixed the problem by repacking the PRIME but not retrofitting the nonworking Primes. We pay for their development, they are not looking back - profits comes from new sales.
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Asus won't release ICS until they get enough sales of the Prime first. You DID NOT pay for their development, there was no word about providing further updates in the future (there was a part, where it said, that Asus MAY send updates) for sure in the contract, you simply purchased the device, with the actual software on it. About Prime problems, yes, it's a concern they won't retrofit the problematic ones, but I'm sure they will come around that sooner or later.
I am saving for an iPAD and will keep the Android toys around for the kids. ASUS finally made me see the light.
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Okay then Apple boy. All of your sentences were just words from someone's mouth who bought an Asus Transformer expecting iPad features. I can tell you for sure: YOU WON'T GET THEM. This is not frikken Apple, this is ANDROID. Learn the difference between an open source, community driven operation system, and a closed source licensed and overpriced product.
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It's obvious that Android wasn't made for you. You people have to understand just some people think they like something but really don't. Try out apple, see how restricting they are. Maybe you will see their "light"

just to say.........if Apple was the bomb then why do people feel the need to jailbreak.........i think the term says it all. Freedom over the system to change what they want to try make it better ( sounds familiar ).......and get free **** of course (coughfilesharecough get it right up you )
just outta curiosity.........whys the logo got a mouldy half eaten granny smith on it anyway rather than a fully glorious golden delicious?
hmmm

Go for Apple, sell your transformer and give it a shot.
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I'll take that tablet off Ur hands since u don't want it..........
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I was about to post that. It might be nvflashable, which is more than you can say about mine

His ratio of posts is like 20-1 whining about ICS not being here to actual non-ICS posts..lol
I guess he bought the TF101 expecting it to be ICS any day, if you purchase an item with above reasonable expectations, when you get disappointed it is your own fault.
Lesson? Study the device you purchase better before you purchase next time.
LOL and after getting reamed for such a thoughtless post he edited it to remove all the thoughtlessness haha

Probably all talk. He will keep the tablet I'm sure.

2011CorvetteZR1 said:
No more ASUS for me
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I remember reading your post saying you own that car. You don't need the money.
So is your tf nvflash capable and how high does it clock ?
Mine has bad light bleed etc and well a swap or upgrade would be nice
Then you can sell and buy a nice shiny new ipad 2s
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