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Hi all, I have a frustrating problem with my Cingular 8525. I just formatted the comp and installed Vista Ultimate on it fresh. I downloaded WMDC but I can't get it to recognize my phone for the life of me. It keeps saying "connecting" forever and never does. I have done all sorts of installs, re-installs, hard resets, but I can't get it to detect at all! Can anyone help? Thanks in advance.
NYKUNLV said:
Hi all, I have a frustrating problem with my Cingular 8525. I just formatted the comp and installed Vista Ultimate on it fresh. I downloaded WMDC but I can't get it to recognize my phone for the life of me. It keeps saying "connecting" forever and never does. I have done all sorts of installs, re-installs, hard resets, but I can't get it to detect at all! Can anyone help? Thanks in advance.
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first try to install the driver of your device.. go to device manager and look for unknown device at OTHERS..
good night and good luck
The driver is installed... it displays HTC USB Sync. I am getting frustrated . Stupid Vista.
USE the search function dude
Hermes vista config guide
Also make sure you dont have any firewalls active. I have had issues syncing my phone with my computer when using AVG's firewall. I simply disabled the firewall and it fixed my problems.
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USE the search function dude
Hermes vista config guide
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I already tried that guide... still not working. Ill try disabling the firewall
go to settings->connections->usb to pc and then check Enable Advanced network functionality.
If that doesn't work remove/uninstall htc sync device, unplug device and plug in device to reinstall the htc sync device after you have set the usb to pc connection settings.
Also try using a different USB cable and plugging it into a different port, you never know, it could just be something defective.
But I'm putting my money on the firewall
I had a problem connecting my 8525 to my Vista machine. It would say connecting but it would never finish 'connecting'. It took a while but finally I figured out what was causing it. It was the 'recording' .wav files in the notes directory that were causing the issue. If you have any .wav files in your notes directory I'd suggest moving them to say your SD card or deleting them. That fixed the 'connecting' problem for me and since I did that it's been syncronizing fine ever since.
I tried everything listed in here at once.... something worked I should have done each step by step to pinpoint what exactly... but its working now. Thanks everyone!
NYKUNLV said:
I tried everything listed in here at once.... something worked I should have done each step by step to pinpoint what exactly... but its working now. Thanks everyone!
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Same for me. I had a load of problems getting the Mobile Device Center working with my HTC TyTN. First I was unable to even install the driver when I first connected my device. The "add new hardware" wizard always tried to connect to Windows Update and install an updated driver which then failed. The solution was to let it fail and manually install an older driver from the list using the icon in Device Manager. After that I could start Windows Update and download the latest update.
Then I had the same problems as you describe. When I started WMDC it just hung while displaying "Connecting". Looking in the task manager I noticed that the wmdc.exe process was consuming more and more memory, up until something like 250 MB, after which WMDC just showed "Error". Finally I got it to work. It is hard to pinpoint exactly what I did to fix it. I know that the "advanced network features" under USB in connection settings on the TyTN need to be ticked and the device showing as a Windows Mobile Device instead of HTC USB Sync.
Initially I did a hard reset of the TyTN. Further, I manually unistalled and reinstalled the driver in Device Manager a couple of times. I tried to reboot both the computer and the TyTN several times. Also, I did restart the "Windows Mobile-based device connectivity" service after plugging in the cable. Finally it just recognized my device and I could setup the partnership. Now I can sync over bluetooth too and skip the cable.
HTC phone support was not very helpful with this problem. "We will call you back". Yeah right.
Mobile cofiguration:
Dopod 838 Pro
LVSW 4/17/07 WM6
Hard SPL
PC configuration:
Windows Vista Business Edition
I encountered the same problem. Currently able to sync back by hard resetting my device. The USB to PC connection on settings does not appear to affect the sync problem.
I suspect that the problem arise when I originally sync with an XP machine.
What worked for me was to enable the advanced usb setting on the phone as mentioned...then while the phone is still plugged in, I removed everything associated with the phone from device manager on the pc. Once that was done, I unplugged the cable, waited a few seconds, and plugged it back in (with the advanced usb settings still checked.) Worked like a charm with WMDC.
I had problems with all sorts of "connectivity" in Vista, including connecting up my Trinity, and setting up my xbox 360 as a media extender.
As soon as I uninstalled MS One Care it all started working.
Hi,
My hdd gave up in my laptop other day bought another 1 installed vista
now im having connection problems both with bluetooth and via usb with my
t-mobile ameo
does any 1 know if there is a update some where to get them working again
ive done a windows update and installed windows mobile device centre
thanks
Im running Vista business edition and had no problems at all - even updated my rom!
What do you get when you plus the Ameo in? Does it show up in the Device centre?
sync centre has just got the usual offline folder
windows mobile device centre 6.1 has the mobile device settings and the not
connected bit at the bottom
its so weired it all synced b4 theres nothing different installed setup etc...
on the device it says "to synchronize this device, you must install activesync 4.5 or newer on your desktop computer"
thanks
How Wierd.... mine lliterally just fired up autoomatically.
In your PPC, go to SETTING -> CONNECTIONS -> USB TO PC. Untick the "ENABLE ADVANCED NETWORK FUNCTIONALITY". Remove the connection by unplugging your USB cable and the plugging it again. No guarantee this will work, but you may try.
IT Works
i tried the unticking the advance option still didnt work...
i thought about the user account control in vista this came as my mobile
data card for my laptop wasnt installed correctly and after checking out the
install log and it saying access control n a load of other stuff saying
permission denied etc.... i thought id turn vistas user account control off this
fixed my data card problem ......i then pluged my t-mobile ameo in and hey
presto it picked it up as a black HTC Advantage due to my mobile 6 rom
upgrade
I believe Active Sync won't work on Visat, you need Mobile Device Center, available here
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ea-9df9-4920-af33-3a0e2e4e7beb&displaylang=en
Makes sense as I have crappy user control switched off as it annoyed me greatly!
Vista Utlimate Connects but refuses access.
This solution worked instantly for us.
cayotte said:
In your PPC, go to SETTING -> CONNECTIONS -> USB TO PC. Untick the "ENABLE ADVANCED NETWORK FUNCTIONALITY". Remove the connection by unplugging your USB cable and the plugging it again. No guarantee this will work, but you may try.
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We had downloaded the upgrade device driver and the Windoze Vista replacement for ActiveSync... as Vista dictates on first connection.
We got the sound effect acknowledging USB connection, but Windoze Mobile Device Centre obstinately ignored the connection.
We tried the tricks suggested by the mages and sages, like adding ports etc. to the firewall, and deleting the driver in the Vista Device Manager... forcing it to re-install. None of it worked for the Ameos.
We removed the Mobile Device Centre and the upgraded driver, resolving to connect to the Ameos only via our XP Tablet instead.
It seemed that the USB connection was being made, but something else was blocking it.
Then this possible solution (reproduced here) caught our eye.
It was the work of a moment to follow the path and remove the check in that item.
Imagine our surprise and delight when we connected to Windoze Vista Ultimate again... and remember that there is no upgraded driver or Mobile Device Centre installed now... and we got the "what shall I do with this device" dialogue box. We checked the item to open the device in a folder each time and... it did... and does... just that.
We do not need synchronisation for our use of the Ameos since all of the significant email and document traffic occurs on the laptops and Tablet, but we can appreciate why someone would want that Mobile Device Centre to be re-installed. We won't be doing that anytime soon though.
Congratulations to you cayotte, and this forum as a whole.
BTW, I read about the problems folks have with the Microdrive. We have two Ameos. One works great with the Microdrive, the other one does not, and we have to leave it for data files only.
The older unit is the one which works well.
We already had the User Account Control turned off so I cannot say if that had any effect.
QF
cayotte said:
In your PPC, go to SETTING -> CONNECTIONS -> USB TO PC. Untick the "ENABLE ADVANCED NETWORK FUNCTIONALITY". Remove the connection by unplugging your USB cable and the plugging it again. No guarantee this will work, but you may try.
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Hi,
after upgrading my unbranded HTC Tytn to more recent WM5 version through official ROM upgrade from HTC (italian version QTEK_405), the activesync connection only works if I connect via Bluetooth or IR.
The USB connection doesn't seem to work anymore.
Activesync seems to try to connect, but after a while I get the "cannot establish a connection..." message.
Checking the Network Connections on the PC, it looks like there is in/out traffic packets on the device, but nothing else happens.
Also tried on another PC and same behaviour.
Activesync version is 4.5 build 5096.
Any idea also how to test that USB connector is working properly, to narrow down the problems ?
Thanks in advance
Did you try disabling the "Enable Advanced Network Functionality" checkbox in START-SETTINGS-CONNECTIONS-USBtoPC?
Also if your are running WinXP or Vista... with your phone connected with the USB cable. Check in the Device Manger, for any "unknown devices". Select them and remove.
Now disconnect your phone from your computer. Then do a "Soft" reset on your phone. Now reconnect through the USB and does it recognize it as a ppc device?? now try to ActiveSync again!!
Stuart
dgaud007 said:
Did you try disabling the "Enable Advanced Network Functionality" checkbox in START-SETTINGS-CONNECTIONS-USBtoPC?
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Yes, no success.
I can see in the Device manager that the network card is replaced by a USB device, but nothing happens on Activesync side.
scl_electronics said:
Also if your are running WinXP or Vista... with your phone connected with the USB cable. Check in the Device Manger, for any "unknown devices". Select them and remove.
Now disconnect your phone from your computer. Then do a "Soft" reset on your phone. Now reconnect through the USB and does it recognize it as a ppc device?? now try to ActiveSync again!!
Stuart
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Tried that.No unknown devices.
I've uninstalled the newtork card corresponding to the Tytn, disconnected and soft reset the device.
It seems to reinstall it properly, but still same behaviour.
One thing that makes me wonder is why the device shows as Windows Mobile-based device #3.
Anything I can do to celanup this ? It looks like it's got some old device hanging.
What about ActiveSync on the ppc? Do you have the "Synchronize all PC's using this connection" checkbox checked? Does it point to "USB" below the checkbox? What do you have in that MENU-CONNECTIONS... screen on the PPC?
Damn it Ive been having one problem after another with my 8525 just when I think things are going good there is another set back.
My phone wont sync to my computer anymore. I have Schaps 4.20 installed and I installed the cube earlier today just to see what it was like because I was going to upgrade to shaps 4.3. Now its time to upgrade and when I connect my phone to my pc i get a message that says "usb device not recognized"
What the heck is going on?
I uninstalled the cube from my ppc did 2 soft resets, restarted my computer and it still wont recognize my pcc
Im getting a message that says "one of the devices attached to this computer has malfunctioned, and windows does not recognize it"
It goes on to say "Try reconnecting the device. If windows still does not recognize it, replace the device."
None of this sounds good. Im stressing out!
After two hard resets I finally got it to accept Shaps 4.3 rom. It still wouldnt do it after the 1st and 2nd hard reset but for some reason, the last time I connected it via usb, it worked.
THANK GOD! I dont know what happened and why it wouldnt connect but Im happy I fixed.
Activesync 4.5 Stuck saying "Synchronizing"
The post above saying:-
Did you try disabling the "Enable Advanced Network Functionality" checkbox in START-SETTINGS-CONNECTIONS-USBtoPC?
was the solution to a major headache I was having with Activesync 4.5 on a new HTC TYTN II connecting via USB. It would sit stuck with the sync indicator turning / swirling and a message saying synchronizing, but would not be doing any synchronisation!
I disabled the "Enable Advanced Network Functionality" in START-SETTINGS-CONNECTIONS-USBtoPC it it immediately began synchronising. Thought I would enable it again and it went back to just hanging there, definately needed to be disabled to rectify the problem.
Thanks.
ianb-uk said:
The post above saying:-
Did you try disabling the "Enable Advanced Network Functionality" checkbox in START-SETTINGS-CONNECTIONS-USBtoPC?
was the solution to a major headache I was having with Activesync 4.5 on a new HTC TYTN II connecting via USB. It would sit stuck with the sync indicator turning / swirling and a message saying synchronizing, but would not be doing any synchronisation!
I disabled the "Enable Advanced Network Functionality" in START-SETTINGS-CONNECTIONS-USBtoPC it it immediately began synchronising. Thought I would enable it again and it went back to just hanging there, definately needed to be disabled to rectify the problem.
Thanks.
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I have to disable that on both my wizard and my trinity when syncing with either my XP computer with active sync 4.5 or my Vista computer which comes with WM Device Centre. The problem is since putting an otherwise rather excellent 6.1 rom on the trinity, nothing happens at all with that option disabled. With it enabled it connects but has the problem described above. On my wizard a message pops up when it establishes a connection, nothing happens on the trinity though. It was fine before with the original ROM. I am using [WWE][20-10-08]NiAx Trinity 6.1.70 BlueAngel - OS & SYS 20748 [ONLINE] any thoughts on what could be going wrong here?
Ive bought a netbook running windows 7 starter, now my hd2 wont connect with windows mobile device center.
I originally set up the pc synch(activesync) with an xp laptop and now it wont connect with the windows 7 netbook.
The phone is telling me to install activesync , but i cant because i have to install the newer windows mobile device center WTF
Ive deleted the old connections on activesync on my phone.
Is there something new to download to my hd2?
Any advice?
Thanks
windows mobile device centre does the same as activesync. it is the new name for activesync used on win 7.
i use the starter edition also on my netbook and cannot get mobile devicecentre installed for some weird reason. probably a problem on my netbook
started using ms myphone for the things i used mobiledevice centre for.
There must be way to connect the phone to a Windows 7 starter netbook.
I plan on doing a hard reset and want to preserve all my bookmarks, and also want to flash a ROM , I'm sure ill need to sync my phone to a computer for that?
The phone keeps telling me to install activesync on my pc even though I have to use wmdc.
When I reinstall wmdc on the netbook I keep getting an error and it won't install properly.
It says device manager not installed, or something like that .
It's a bloody mystery!
for flashing a rom you do not need activesync or mobile device centre. I flash my phone from my laptop without. just put the phone in bootloader and you can flash a rom as normal using the custom ruu. alternatively you can flash from memory card.
think ms myphone can backup that also but you have to check to make sure.
on my sig there is a flashing guide, in it there is a download for win 7 windows mobile device center run it and you should be good to go
this has been discussed so often, if you had taken the time to search there would be no need for that thread!
It so easy, just use windows update to download the driver and windows mobile center and that's it. If it doesn't work you are doing it wrong because it works for everybody else that way!
pabloh999 said:
Ive bought a netbook running windows 7 starter, now my hd2 wont connect with windows mobile device center.
I originally set up the pc synch(activesync) with an xp laptop and now it wont connect with the windows 7 netbook.
The phone is telling me to install activesync , but i cant because i have to install the newer windows mobile device center WTF
Ive deleted the old connections on activesync on my phone.
Is there something new to download to my hd2?
Any advice?
Thanks
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Leave ytour phone, as the problem appears to be with the netbook. make sure your netbook is not connected to the internet, then disable all the security and see if WMDC recognises your phone.
Thanks for the respones, ill try those tips when I get a chance later in the day.
Apologies for starting a new thread if its been discussed many times before.
Right, i think ive tried everything.
Hard reset my hd2
Uninstalled wmdc
Did every windows update available
re-installed wmdc with webroot antivirus turned off and internet access turned off.
And it still wont recognise the hd2
When its installing the driver on my netbook for the hd2 it keeps getting an error - it says "unidentified device : device unplugged" even though it is plugged in and screen is on.
The phone will connect to my netbook for the disk drive option and the internet sharing option, so i dont think its a problem with the hd2 usb connection
Its a real mystery, anyone out there able to crack this one?
have you tried this?
settings, menu, all settings, connections, USB to PC, uncheck "enable faster data sync", click done.
when I did that, my HD2 finally connected to PC after DAYS of trying!
Yep! I sure have
The computer is just is not seeing my phone with the the activesync option, but it is seeing the phone with both the disk drive and internet sharing options.
When i try un-install wmdc some errors keep popping up, i have to manually go into the task manager and kill 2 .exe active files otherwise it wont uninstall, very strange indeed
Maybe it could be a usb port issue, but i have tried all 3 usb ports on my netbook.
Hi pabloh999,
I potentially have a fix for you. I experienced the same errors as you tried all you have and eventually found a fix - by accident!
Set to airplane mode on & then off. After this my connections & syncs were fine.
Let us know how you go.
pabloh999 said:
Yep! I sure have
The computer is just is not seeing my phone with the the activesync option, but it is seeing the phone with both the disk drive and internet sharing options.
When i try un-install wmdc some errors keep popping up, i have to manually go into the task manager and kill 2 .exe active files otherwise it wont uninstall, very strange indeed
Maybe it could be a usb port issue, but i have tried all 3 usb ports on my netbook.
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Tried that and - nothing!
Its just not recognising my phone, its saying "device unplugged"
I even turned off the charging function when plugged into a pc, just in case that was draining too much juice from the usb port.
No problem solvers out there??
I am thinking now it could be a problem with the usb ports on my netbook.
On one of my million attempts i got a windows error message saying that i should use a high speed usb port, and it gave me a list of "high speed" usb ports on my computer.
I dont know how to use this information because it doesnt physically show which of my 3 usb ports is the "high speed one(s)"
I thought the three of them are the same?
I tried updating the usb drivers to no avail
Fu**ing pissin me off!
Sync with Win 7
Same problem here, Tried everything on the web and on XDA and still cant sync.
Is this a Microsoft Problem, Oh by the way dont agree with d3l1
Ican still sync with my old XP laptop, but my new Win 7 is crap... (Both are Asus machines)
Any pointers would be welome. Ta.
I know that other people are having similar problems with Android phones, but I just got a Wildfire today and it doesn't get detected.
I have Windows 7 x86, HTC Sync 3.0.5422. I am running HTC Sync as administrator with disabled AV and Firewall. I am using the back USB ports. I don't see any other options in HTCSync than Help and About. HTC is appearing in Devices and Printers normally.
It also comes in Device Manager under
- Disk Drives as HTC Android Phone USB Devices
- portable Devices as D:\ (next free letter drive)
Anyone has any ideas?
Thanks
When you first connect your phone to the computer, make sure that you enabled "usb debugging". Once this is done, you should not have any more problems.
To activate usb debugging, just go settings -> applications > usb debugging.
Hope this helps.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
I had the same problem on x64. Couldn't get it to work till I was so frustrated about it and gave up. I think there is a problem with the usb drivers.
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Enabling USB debugging allows me to connect. But as soon as it looks like syncing, the wildfire comes up with "prepairing SD card" and it disconnects
Very frustraiting
fishb00n said:
I had the same problem on x64. Couldn't get it to work till I was so frustrated about it and gave up. I think there is a problem with the usb drivers.
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Works fine for me on 7 x64.
I did install the drivers from the SD card earlier though for development.
I had similar problems - which all disappeared when I used a different usb port. The one's at the front of my PC just didn't work. Ones at the back worked fine.
Skye Menjou said:
Works fine for me on 7 x64.
I did install the drivers from the SD card earlier though for development.
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I know it should work. but I can't find out what exactly is causing this behavior - and that sickens me Cause usually I get everything to work =]
I did uninstall everything that had to do with HTC. Sync App, Drivers, everything. Rebooted and tried from scratch.
I saw that Windows Update automatically downloads drivers for the Wildfire as soon as it detects it on USB. I had no chance to abort that so that I could install the Stock HTC drivers that came on the SD Card.
As soon as Windows said the device should be ready to use, I installed Sync again and tested if sync was working. Didn't work. Then I installed HTC drivers from SD Card. Tried if it works. Nothing. Rebooted. Tried Again. Nothing. USB Debugging on. Nothing. USB Debugging off. Nothing ... I don't know any further
Skye do you have installed the HBOOT driver from unrevoked along with the HTC drivers? Could it be possible that they both interfere somehow? Or is this not possible at all.
I don't use the HBOOT drivers since I don't have my device rooted.I can see that it could have an effect.
I'll check the device name, hardware id and driver version for the ADB tomorrow and we shall compare it with yours.
i had same problem, turned out it is firewall blocking (least for me), disabled security suite and all works fine. i had f-secure internet security
Plug in using rear USBs
Well, plugging in using the rear USBs worked for me. Slightly inconvenient. Maybe they're trying to sell more docks...
Change USB "Charge Only" to USB "HTC Sync"
I have a super simple solution to try that worked for me.
When getting the HTC Sync "no device connected" error message, you must change the phone's USB setting from "charge only" to "HTC Sync", if it's not already done.
I noticed that my "notifications panel" at the top of the screen said "Charge Only" next to a USB symbol.
To make this change on the T-Mobile MyTouch 3g Slide, I opened the notifications panel (with your finger, pull down the bar at the top of the screen). Then, I clicked on USB "Charge only" bullet and changed it to "HTC Sync". Voila, the next time I plugged in my phone, HTC Sync recognized it, the phone app of HTC Sync found the HTC Sync on my computer, and gave me options for syncing.
I didn't need to uninstall or reinstall HTC Sync, move drivers, use msconfig to prevent programs from starting up, etc.
new2android1 said:
I have a super simple solution to try that worked for me.
When getting the HTC Sync "no device connected" error message, you must change the phone's USB setting from "charge only" to "HTC Sync", if it's not already done.
I noticed that my "notifications panel" at the top of the screen said "Charge Only" next to a USB symbol.
To make this change on the T-Mobile MyTouch 3g Slide, I opened the notifications panel (with your finger, pull down the bar at the top of the screen). Then, I clicked on USB "Charge only" bullet and changed it to "HTC Sync". Voila, the next time I plugged in my phone, HTC Sync recognized it, the phone app of HTC Sync found the HTC Sync on my computer, and gave me options for syncing.
I didn't need to uninstall or reinstall HTC Sync, move drivers, use msconfig to prevent programs from starting up, etc.
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Thanks alot!!! This just saved me so much trouble!!!
Sync screen minimized - shows device connected, but can't open Sync screen
thearif said:
When you first connect your phone to the computer, make sure that you enabled "usb debugging". Once this is done, you should not have any more problems.
To activate usb debugging, just go settings -> applications > usb debugging.
Hope this helps.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
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I have the HTC Merge from U.S. Cellular. I had used HTC Sync without too many problems when I was on XP until the last update. That always connected but would not sync, giving me an error every time [1000 general error]. The fix was to re-install the version before, and don't upgrade even when you get a notice that an upgrade is available.
As soon as I moved to Windows 7, and used the same process, Sync on my PC would flash on, then show disconnected, and then minimize. The icon in the system tray showed a connection, and my phone shows a connection. But there is no way that I have found to get the main window open on the PC, and set the options for what I want to sync!
HTC has been no help at all.
Has anyone found a way to view the Sync software screen on the PC after moving to Windows 7... or 8?
Crossing my fingers - hoping there's a solution!
I had a similar problem, but just had to update htc drivers and reboot then it worked perfecto hope youv'e gotten it sorted out mate.
BatEarsJoe said:
I had a similar problem, but just had to update htc drivers and reboot then it worked perfecto hope youv'e gotten it sorted out mate.
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Joe,
Do you know which versions of the HTC drivers worked for you? I'm hoping that your solution works for me!!:fingers-crossed:
I think I got them off a thread in the sensation forum, when I'm next at a computer I'll have a look for.them, if not I'll UL them for you
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Joe,
Do you know which versions of the HTC drivers worked for you? I'm hoping that your solution works for me!!:fingers-crossed:
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Try these: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=37437438
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2126036
If these don't work then ill go through my history and find the exact ones, let me know if they worked
BatEarsJoe said:
Try these: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=37437438
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2126036
If these don't work then ill go through my history and find the exact ones, let me know if they worked
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Joe,
I gave these a try, and I still have the same issue. HTC Sync loads for a second, then flashes "No device connected" and disappears. The icon in the system tray shows a connection, and I can tell the phone to sync, but after checking my calendar for a test appointment that I changed, nothing changed on the phone. Since HTC Sync won't open, I can't adjust the settings to make sure it is set up correctly.
Very frustrating! Wish they would update their software!