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If you haven't heard of it already, Apple has slapped HTC with a lawsuit today for violating ~20 patents.
They're trying for a permanent injunction to disallow any future HTC handset imports into the US.
Wow. Seems like someone's scared. What do you guys think about this?
If this keeps me from getting my Supersonic, so help me...
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news/rotten-apple-htc-sued-over-20-patents/
Whoops, just saw a similar post a few below mine...I skimmed at first and didn't see anything...mods please delete this
what did we expect steve jobs is a douche... apple is scared of android and its biggest phone producer of android devices. This is why I hate apple, they reinvented the game and now are doing what they hate microsoft for. Tryin to control the market and make **** stagnant an dull
I posted this same response on SprintUsers but I'm so disgusted with this I couldn't help but copy and paste it here.
"How very pathetic.
The only Apple product I have ever bought was my girlfriends iPod.
It's not enough that they have sold more phones than anyone now they want to monopolize the market?
I hated having no option but to install itunes just to be able to use her ipod. Just sad.
Apple is going on my boycott list along with McDonald's, WalMart, and a few others.
Whether they win or lose this suit it's official; I will NEVER purchase another product made by Apple, ever."
Just a heads up, the mods already locked one topic about this in this forum as another topic about it existed elsewhere:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=640835
**** Apple.
They are looking for a permanent injuction, which could affect future sales of phones here.
I am so sick of Apple.
Check this
http://gizmodo.com/5483914/steve-jobs-1996-good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal
The guy is a ****ing prick.
I am selling my macbook and ipod as soon as I find decent alternatives.
I wish Google OS was polished and out.
Apple got it's paradigm to replace MSDOS from Xerox, Google it.
How quickly they forget, if it wasn't for the gift from Xerox, apple wouldn't be.
So it seems a new industry of bootlegged / home brew phones could be around the corner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU <----- Steve Jobs is a cockbite.
I don't understand why they're going after HTC and none of the 25 or so other companies doing the exact same thing.
gthing said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU <----- Steve Jobs is a cockbite.
I don't understand why they're going after HTC and none of the 25 or so other companies doing the exact same thing.
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Cause apple invented touchscreens, downloading apps, muti-touch....lol.
apple is salty because they became a victim of their own success...and now they are nervous that everyone is going to surpass them...which google will
gthing said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU <----- Steve Jobs is a cockbite.
I don't understand why they're going after HTC and none of the 25 or so other companies doing the exact same thing.
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HTC is the big money in the Android game right now, they'll sue Moto next. Apple wants to ride the Android train, but Apple users just typically aren't smart enough for a device smarter than them.
Konikub said:
Cause apple invented touchscreens, downloading apps, muti-touch....lol.
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Wow....guess I don't know as much about technology as I thought. Cause I was downloading applications on Windows 3.11 with 28.8 kb/s internet connection back in 93 or so....Didn't know apple invented that. Guess I need to start paying more attention. And I thought I was playing video poker on touchscreens and signing for packages on a touch-pad quite a while back too. Apple kicks ass, inventing all this **** and keeping it on the DL.
this is fun. apple has filed anything and everything under patents. people wonder why no one can beat the iphone. a device that cant even multitask. my moto razr did better than the iphone. the problem is that the fine line between profit and loss is extremely small when you get sued and knowing how apple goes about things they will take htc for the profit they earned. i have faith though. htc has some very very talented people including lawyers. they didnt implement the technology that apple patented without knowledge of how to beat it.
thats my .02 cents.
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this is fun. apple has filed anything and everything under patents. people wonder why no one can beat the iphone. a device that cant even multitask. my moto razr did better than the iphone. the problem is that the fine line between profit and loss is extremely small when you get sued and knowing how apple goes about things they will take htc for the profit they earned. i have faith though. htc has some very very talented people including lawyers. they didnt implement the technology that apple patented without knowledge of how to beat it.
thats my .02 cents.
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they didnt implement the technology that apple patented without knowledge of how to beat it.
TRUE. i was thinking the same thing..
yea apple is feeling the pressure from google and HTC so they are going to go after HTC ... HA
apple taking on htc and nokia is a mistake i hope the judge ***** slaps apple
The stupidity of Apple never ceases to amaze me. Palm had touch screen technology LONG before Apple, yet you don't see Palm crying like little *****es. I hope Nokia, MS, Google, Palm, and Cisco all take turns telling Steve Jobs to STFU and then hopefully his turtleneck would strangle him for us.
Wishful thinking.
haha yea hopefully the judges all had bad experiences with iphones cauwse then they will hop in the STFU setve line
pseudoremora said:
The stupidity of Apple never ceases to amaze me. Palm had touch screen technology LONG before Apple, yet you don't see Palm crying like little *****es. I hope Nokia, MS, Google, Palm, and Cisco all take turns telling Steve Jobs to STFU and then hopefully his turtleneck would strangle him for us.
Wishful thinking.
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OMG Does he ever change clothes! lol One can only hope that that stupid looking turtleneck will get wrapped up tight in his sleep one night ( as he tosses and turns, loosing sleep because Android is kicking his beloved iphones ass) and choke him to death.
im suprised they didnt go for palm first...cause didnt a bunch of apple devs go to palm a couple years back?
I wouldn't call it technology more like. features
BrianDigital said:
I wouldn't call it technology more like. features
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well according to patents, "multitouch"
"A computer-implemented method for use in conjunction with a computing device with a touch screen display comprises: detecting one or more finger contacts with the touch screen display, applying one or more heuristics to the one or more finger contacts to determine a command for the device, and processing the command. The one or more heuristics comprise: a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a one-dimensional vertical screen scrolling command, a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a two-dimensional screen translation command, and a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a command to transition from displaying a respective item in a set of items to displaying a next item in the set of items."
which is a technology for some reason. funny as hell that steve jobs is listed as one of the inventors. i think htc beat this lawsuit by only implementing while you perform an action and as you see that is not in the patent. so the only time multitouch is used is when it detects two fingers moving away or towards one another which is not a command.
gotta love America
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/27/palms-matias-duarte-has-joined-google-as-user-experience-direct/
Intetresting.....
This will definitely make gingerbread and later versions more polished and shiny
Bring on the card-like multitasking!
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Bring on the card-like multitasking!
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That would be amazing! Let's hope he integrates this into future Android revisions!
Making things worse, Matias doesn’t generally roam from company to company alone. When he left Danger for Helio, he brought members of his team. When he left Helio for Palm, he brought members of his team. When he leaves, a good chunk of his team tends to go with. Neither Palm nor Google has confirmed any shifts beyond Matias; with that said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Palm lost 2-3 more designers to Google in the coming weeks, if they haven’t already.
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/05...to-the-google-android-team-others-may-follow/
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Interesting to say the least. Good for Android.
I think we know why Google didn't buy Palm now.
halorin said:
I think we know why Google didn't buy Palm now.
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Screw patents and brand history...just buy out the talent.
Buying Palm would have given them patents and designers.
This move can potentially bring the designers.
Either way HP loses no ?
google to hp -
"burns, don't it?"
Thank god.. like really, our UI definitely needs any overhaul it can get - I love how Apple has designed their (multiple) UIs, and I love what HTC has done with Sense, and their plethora of devices.. but Vanilla just doesn't have the aesthetics to entirely appeal to me..
It's not polished, clean, how to say.. sleek, delicious? I don't really know, but I do know that it can (and hopefully will) be improved.
Sorry if it is off topic but a 4g blackberry tablet with a dual core processor what do you guys think
http://now.sprint.com/playbook/
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BlackBerry? That's unexpected.
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BlackBerry? That's unexpected.
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It's been known for a while now. Well, except Sprint officially carrying it. But um, who'd want a RIM product? iOS, Android, and WP7 are going to have the most support by both developers and community.
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It's been known for a while now. Well, except Sprint officially carrying it. But um, who'd want a RIM product? iOS, Android, and WP7 are going to have the most support by both developers and community.
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Yeah, I did some research and it was supposed to be WiFi only and/or allow tethering to an existing BB phone to power the tablet.
Smart of them to change their minds, they would not be able to compete without data. 4G can't hurt.
idk it is a blackberry and running their os. could be drama in the long end, but if the hardware is in there for 4g, that makes me believe that you could set it up as a phone with a dialer... could be a combo of old school meets new school.
a Blackberry tablet ...
... who was the fool at Sprint who green-lighted backing this hot mess? RIMs target audience and the typical tablets target audience aren't even close to the same focus groups ... a square peg/round hole failure. Has RIM ever competed in the home user space? Apple at least has worked in that arena, Google clouds absolutely everything, RIM does ... well ... email.
I predict failure here.
looks nice probably be nice for corporate email? I just do not want a tablet tied to contract and do not want some just no name tablet.
From what I hear there's no built in support for calendar or email - those features won't work unless tethered to a blackberry. The os is actually supposed to be pretty impressive though.
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The tablet looks well built..i hate blackberry os, but i would consider rocking this. I signed up for alerts.
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a Blackberry tablet ...
... who was the fool at Sprint who green-lighted backing this hot mess? RIMs target audience and the typical tablets target audience aren't even close to the same focus groups ... a square peg/round hole failure. Has RIM ever competed in the home user space? Apple at least has worked in that arena, Google clouds absolutely everything, RIM does ... well ... email.
I predict failure here.
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To answer that question I'd have to say yes! I love that there is this huge envisioning by the tech world that BB is only used by businesses.
BB may not do nearly as much marketing and focus on non-business users, but I can say that 35-45% of my friends have a BB as their PERSONAL phone. Not because all of the "business" advantage, but because BB makes attractive, ergonomic, simple to use phones and people do buy them. Not to mention brand recognition, how many people do you know that wouldn't know what "blackberry" is?
Now ask that same person about "android" or "WP7"...
The re-written BB OS is actually pretty sleek looking IMO, so I wouldn't say it's a completely horrible idea for Sprint to take this on. Plus many of the businesses would certainly fall into the potential for stocking these up given their employees are all robots equipped with BBs...
Meh...
Just because it's not Google/Apple/Microsoft doesn't mean it won't be a success or that it's a "hot mess".
Les we forget that RIM was top of the mobile world for a long time.
mattykinsx said:
Meh...
Just because it's not Google/Apple/Microsoft doesn't mean it won't be a success or that it's a "hot mess".
Les we forget that RIM was top of the mobile world for a long time.
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RIM is a sinking ship. Of all the OS', BBOS is destined to have the least support from developers. Their SDK is also based on AIR/Flash, a dying platform if I ever seen one.
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RIM is a sinking ship. Of all the OS', BBOS is destined to have the least support from developers. Their SDK is also based on AIR/Flash, a dying platform if I ever seen one.
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I think with a nice breath of fresh air they can be a competitor again.
Having the user base, even though it is dwindling, definitely puts them in a good position still.
I think it's really silly to count anyone out at this point in any mobile business, ESPECIALLY tablets.
Per example, Android was practically NOTHING last year...
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Per example, Android was practically NOTHING last year...
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The difference is that Android was a startup that was growing from nothing. RIM is a dinosaur that is dying and making mistakes by frantically looking for solutions.
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The difference is that Android was a startup that was growing from nothing. RIM is a dinosaur that is dying and making mistakes by frantically looking for solutions.
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I can come up with 100 logical reasons why Android shouldn't be where it's at right now.
I think this tablet could help revive BB.
And I certainly don't think it's silly for Sprint to carry it.
With the lack of Sprint news from CES I was very surprised by this move.. Of all the tablets with that mobile focus mentioned a few months ago the PlayBook was the one I was most excited about. Unfortunately I doubt it will be a star by the time it releases as I've already seen a number of tablets from CES that would mop the floor with the PlayBook.
It'll be 4-6 months before we make another mover forward with a new halo handset IMO.
I would buy one of the blackberry tablets before I bought a crummy apple tablet... Apple is a joke and there os is even more of joke... But android on the other hand is far superior to any other tablet out there. If the android tablets didnt exist I would definitley buy a blackberry tablet though.
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Award Tour said:
The difference is that Android was a startup that was growing from nothing. RIM is a dinosaur that is dying and making mistakes by frantically looking for solutions.
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Apple was a dying dinosaur before Steve Jobs came back and then they came up with new computer designs and took off with the ibook, ipod, etc.
http://www.phonedog.com/2011/02/27/apple-testing-ios-pattern-lock-screens-on-internal-apps/
really?
Meh, Android copies IOS, IOS copies Android. Makes everyone happy in the end.
dcontrol said:
Meh, Android copies IOS, IOS copies Android. Makes everyone happy in the end.
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except apple sues google (or android indirectly) lol
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-HTC-smartphone-allegedly-copying-iPhone.html
one of the case was copying the slide to unlock feature
I love how this is related to the Vibrant 3G.
SamsungVibrant said:
I love how this is related to the Vibrant 3G.
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Smartass android=vibrant
Or you didnt know the vibrant was an android?
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Doesn't bother me.at all. Its nice to see apple trying something different.
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anthonys2r said:
except apple sues google (or android indirectly) lol
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-HTC-smartphone-allegedly-copying-iPhone.html
one of the case was copying the slide to unlock feature
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I LOL'ed on the statement!
Apple sues everyone
There not much I would want from the iPhone4/iOS that I'd want Google to copy/"incorporate" into Android.
The Copy&Paste and text magnification when hovering over comes to mind...
And I do prefer the App Store layout/format over Android Market
But still, nothing beats the freedom of a rooted android
Everyone knows
Apple is the company that is first with everything, even if another company makes it much earlier.
Just be grateful that they made the iPhone and iPad in the first place. If not we'd still be stuck using ****ty blackberries or WinMo phones.
Quick timeline:
Computers suck
Apple copies Xerox gui Makes Macintosh
Microsoft copies apple makes Windows
Hello linux gui
Apple makes newton pda/tablet nobody cares?
Palm makes miniature pda/tablet better hardware/software
RIM works with enterprises and ruins thumbs
Microsoft shrinks Windows, still using stylus
iPhone - capacitive touch/thumbs around the world are happy plus install apps directly from handset
Android - iPhone like/different/needs lots of polish
Palm Pre - awesome
iPad
bazillion other tablets.
Apple might copy a lot of stuff but it seems like they are the ones who get copied first.
But you said yourself they copied Xerox gui.
thegreatcity said:
But you said yourself they copied Xerox gui.
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Yes I know but you know what I'm saying. Who knows what Xerox was doing with their UI. Xerox pc's - doubt it.
Newton reference surprised me. Most people have never heard of it. My parents had 2 of them. Lol.
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Yes I know but you know what I'm saying. Who knows what Xerox was doing with their UI. Xerox pc's - doubt it.
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Or maybe they were waiting all along to unveil the Xerox God Phone.
Paging Dr B said:
Just be grateful that they made the iPhone and iPad in the first place. If not we'd still be stuck using ****ty blackberries or WinMo phones.
Quick timeline:
Computers suck
Apple copies Xerox gui Makes Macintosh
Microsoft copies apple makes Windows
Hello linux gui
Apple makes newton pda/tablet nobody cares?
Palm makes miniature pda/tablet better hardware/software
RIM works with enterprises and ruins thumbs
Microsoft shrinks Windows, still using stylus
iPhone - capacitive touch/thumbs around the world are happy plus install apps directly from handset
Android - iPhone like/different/needs lots of polish
Palm Pre - awesome
iPad
bazillion other tablets.
Apple might copy a lot of stuff but it seems like they are the ones who get copied first.
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Apple is good at claiming they made it first. The first GUI was by Stanford Univ. Plus the mouse was not an Apple invention either, Tablets were not an Apple invention BUT.......... Apple is very good at marketing and providing the central use applications that most will use and makes those very user friendly.
But as far as innovation, and being first, just not factual.
Besides that imitation is considered flattery in some circles, Apple has to go with the market or die off Just Like Nokia is currently.
oka1 said:
Apple is good at claiming they made it first. The first GUI was by Stanford Univ. Plus the mouse was not an Apple invention either, Tablets were not an Apple invention BUT.......... Apple is very good at marketing and providing the central use applications that most will use and makes those very user friendly.
But as far as innovation, and being first, just not factual.
Besides that imitation is considered flattery in some circles, Apple has to go with the market or die off Just Like Nokia is currently.
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While true, and I HATE apple's marketing gimmicks, I still think that the iPhone and the iPad were innovative. I'm sure most people who used a smartphone prior to the iphone will agree. The same goes for tablets, most of them just suck and are plagued with OS issues. I'm sorry but Windows wasn't meant to be on a tablet.
I wasn't claiming that apple invented the wheel. I'm saying that apple took the wheel, made it easy to use, look nice, perform great, and gave everyone else a formula to follow. And they did.
But back on topic, yes they all steal ideas from each other. They have to.
I just hate Apple because they act like everything they make is like the second coming of Jesus.
CrazyCharlie said:
I just hate Apple because they act like everything they make is like the second coming of Jesus.
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I hate the apple fan-boy who believes it. Back when I had my G1 and ATT was airing those commercials that would show apps and say "only on an iphone" I would yell at my tv because my G1 did those things too. Their marketing is brilliant because they target un-tech savvy yuppies. You'd think other tech companies would spend a little dough on marketing.
A guy in my office was trying to tell me that his iPhone4 has an unbreakable gorilla screen (lol @ gorilla screen). "So, OMG I can drop it on the floor and it wont break" as said in a very flamboyant voice. Me being me, I had to burst his bubble. "Uh, it's still just glass, it'll break".
I do love my iPad but there's plenty of room for improvement, and I didn't pay for it so I get a pass.
Apple themselves have had a rocky history, but have had some good products.
The IPOD really did make apple rise from the dead if you think about it. Before that they were doomed for dust, and not a kid on the planet cared to have an apple computer. Now everything is Apple mania, with everyone buying Apple computers also... For what reason you'd use a Mac is beyond me?
Linux or Windows are both so much better than whatever OS apple is using these days.
But honestly HERE IS WHY APPLE GETS COPIED!!! Think about it... First the IPod... the largest MP3 player with that cool circle track thingy it was just so convenient. Then... Why not make it a phone too? So out comes the IPhone. Now the IPad.
I think the idea really behind the IPad and now other tablets like it, are for it to eventually become the next laptop. Todays laptops are big and bulk, and we have to start somewhere. I give it not to long and you will see bigger tablets, with faster processors, able to play games, and probably even run Windows 7.
Apple isn't dumb, but the Android OS makes their Iphone look like ****. All I gotta say is.. Got widgets on your iphone? Nope!
Apple is kind of like the "standard maker"
It sets a standard and then its competitors try to beat it.
Thats how life is, and thats how the world goes round.
In the end, its all good for us consumers. We get tons of options.
Patents on small things like the "slide to unlock" i admit, are stupid, how else can you freaking unlock a phone?
They copy each other, polish it, and make it their own.
Tbh, Windows shouldn't even have gotten into the Phone business, i mean their their popular, most percentage of humans love em' and use their computers.
They should have stayed at building their OS better, and simplified, Windows IS complicated for someone who doesn't know **** about tech.
They need to also make their updates more simplified, my old PC if i try to update it using Windows Updater or something it says i have to update 4000 something files.
I left my computer on for 2 whole days, i usually don't leave it on over-night unless if i'm downloading something important and big... and in that 2 days it updated like ... 20? files..??
I'm on windows right know though
Every company can be sued for their whole freaking company. It's called setting a Precedent.
Should George Washington come back from the dead and sue all the presidents for stealing his "so help me god" line?
http://www.ifans.com/blog/26252/
Found this yesterday. Why is Apple so (derogatory term)? What do u guys think? I personally love android and I have an ipod touch which even when u jailbreak and mod isn't nearly as customizable
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That's crazy!!! How can apple patent data structure. Or whatever the hell they did. I swear apple is skynet. Apple sucks I will never buy any apple product. +1 to the zune (forget iPod)
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Apple is running out of ways to innovate I think so is going after the competition.
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Apple is running out of ways to innovate I think so is going after the competition.
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More or less this. Apple isn't used to real competition and they are getting desperate.
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Lol there just mad cus every new htc phone blows the iphone out of the water! They always try to innovate something thats been done.like there dual core chip sucks compared to the evo 3 d chip or other dual core phones and tablets.moneyhungry company wants all the money and to eliminate the competition noooot gunna happen i personally hate apple products theres too much to list about why they are overpriced and old technology that they claim to be breaking lol for example a 3k laptops p.c vs a macbook pro is not even a laughing matter its sad the p.c is way ahead in technology apples just trying to make people feel safe with there ****ty operating system that if u ask me sucks!!
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http://www.ifans.com/blog/26252/
Found this yesterday. Why is Apple so (derogatory term)? What do u guys think? I personally love android and I have an ipod touch which even when u jailbreak and mod isn't nearly as customizable
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After reading both patents and the portions of the claims made by Apple, I suppose the ITC is right. HTC does infringe on the patents, but so does every other computer and smartphone manufacturer.
In the first patent, what Apple seems to have been allowed to process is the method by which a computer can search for, identify, and allocate actions to strings of data in a system comprising of a processor, ram, and disk storage. Kind of like the context menu used in every operating system produced today that has a graphical interface.
The second patent is a little harder to understand. It claims that Apple's people invented what boils down to symmetric multiprocessing using a WAN, so long as the device being used to process this plurality of realtime services to and from a number of independent applications and devices is embodied by a hardware device with programmable software. Which also sounds like just about any computer currently made.
I think the ITC will overrule the initial decision, given that both of these patents are old and these practices are in use worldwide by every computing company. If this were upheld, I can't think of a single smartphone manufacturer that would be allowed to import devices anymore.
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Apple is running out of ways to innovate I think so is going after the competition.
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I think this is squarely an attack on free culture and open source software. I mean, I don't see why WP7 isn't infringing on these patents either.
When your competitor is open source and royalty-free, the only way to compete is by making a better product. Although others may disagree, I think Android is a far superior product - Apple's operating system has to run on about 10 devices, a lot of which are no longer supported - and since it's open source, its mindshare is essentially infinite, and it will continue improving beyond Apple's products.
Apple's other problem is their walled-garden approach. The reason they lost all their mindshare is because they choose not to produce something viable for a wide-range of devices. That's the primary reason they lost so much mindshare and market share. They introduced a market and immediately cordoned themselves off to a corner of it before they even had any competitors! The door was wide open for a competitor and of course, Google stepped in. There were others of course, like HP, Palm, maybe Intel and Microsoft but they never got their act together. I still shed a tear every time I think of Nokia and Symbian.
Let's not forget that these inventions are mind-numbingly obvious. If someone texts you a number, obviously you would want to call it or save it, right? Not to mention that email clients and webbrowsers have been autoformatting websites and email addresses since the dawn of time, so there's ubiquitous prior art out there. The first patent should be struck down immediately. I don't even know what the second patent is supposed to be, but it sounds really vague and BS.
Finally, what HTC says is true. It's sad that Apple's wasting not only their own resources, but all their enemies' resources as well on legal fees. What this is showing is that patent litigation is hampering innovation rather than stimulating it. In a fast-moving field like mobile development, where products are long since obsolete once they expire, software patents make no sense, they only hamper innovation, and they should be banned.
I agree, anyone ever thought of submitting a formal response to the lawsuit. I'm sure it it went to every xda forum we could a bunch of support. Its not perfect but its how out law system works. Lol, the ball has to start somewhere ya know?
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I agree with the point that Apple is not being innovative and scared of the competition. IOS hasn't changed at all, the devices are all by Apple and they are too locked down. Android is open source there are a good number of manufacturers which give ppl options. I own an iPod touch and its nice for playing music but theres really nothing to it. Most ppl who own apple products don't know anything about them. I know a lot of ppl who think that since its called iPhone 4G, they get 4G data. Now I can say that Apple started a huge thing with capacitive screens and the whole touch screen and apps, but a good business should keep coming up with new things instead of saying here's what we made, this is all you get, and everyone thinks its the best.
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