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Has anyone opted to use the supplied case and leave the keyboard at home? If so does it lighten the load, reduce the bulk, and work pretty well? I realize it removes the ability to view the secondary screen, but for those who don't use the keyboard for much this seems like a way to mitigate the "pain" of carrying the thing around, especially if a bluetooth headset with caller id is used. Anyone?
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Has anyone opted to use the supplied case and leave the keyboard at home? If so does it lighten the load, reduce the bulk, and work pretty well? I realize it removes the ability to view the secondary screen, but for those who don't use the keyboard for much this seems like a way to mitigate the "pain" of carrying the thing around, especially if a bluetooth headset with caller id is used. Anyone?
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Do you have a different supplied case than the one with the Ameo?
I can't use the secondary screen with mine as the case isn't transparant.. :-/
Stock case is fine....for the moment!
Yeah ive opted to use the case without the keyboard, im finding im getting on with it well (especially since I purchased a Jabra 8010 headset, with caller id and vibrate)
This is great (altho im still getting used to 'whats that vibrating noise? oh its the headset, oops!' hehe!)
I find these work well together, it doesnt matter that I cant see the caller display thats there when the keyboards there.
As regards to typing, ive tried all of the options that are available Resco Keyboard, SPB Keyboard, the lot, and they are all ok, but i still go back to the standard keyboard on the bigger setting so the keys are easy to push. 90% of the time, with fast typing im fine, and happy not to be carrying the keyboard round, which i find worse than the onscreen keyboard.
Its not because of the feel of the keys on the hardware keyboard, its the layout. I just cant get used to it, and ive tried. I dont find it impossible to type, and I guess if i used it more then id get used to it, but the benefits of not carrying it around, outweigh the benefits of having the keyboard with me.
Id prefer a 'Skin' type of case, but even then, id be worried about the screen getting damaged, so for now, im happy to stick with the standard case that came with the Ameo.
jmdrizen said:
Do you have a different supplied case than the one with the Ameo?
I can't use the secondary screen with mine as the case isn't transparant.. :-/
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I don't have an Advantage yet. I'm in the market for a replacement for my Wizard and have it narrowed down to either the Advantage x7501 or the Nokia E90. But there are so many production problems appearing with the E90 that I'm leaning heavily toward the 7501. Plus the OS (M$), is a known evil and my software for the Wizard will mostly work fine on it. If I do buy one I will likely carry it without the keyboard so long as I can do so while keeping the screen 100% protected, just as tomchap is concerned about.
I rarely use the keyboard on my Wizard and I suspect I would not use it much with the 7501 either, mostly because I don't need to compose much on my phone, and don't browse the web much either while I'm out and about. So for me the trick will be to find a way to carry it without the kb yet keep it protected while still being able to access the it quickly when I need to look something up in a rush. I have a BlueAnt v12 with caller id, so the phone can stay cased while I'm answering calls. FWIW my idea of an ideal case would be a crystal case with a flip up screen cover.
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I am putting the phone in my pants pocket without the keyboard. With the keyboard it is too thick. Without, it 'just' fits! W/O the KB the form factor is now in that sweet spot where I don't notice the bulk as much.
Plus, I am used to graffiti text input with my old Sony Clie, Palm OS, so leaving behind the kb is not a big deal for me.
Keith Walker
Are you pocketing it while it is cased, or without? If cased, are you using the case that came in the box?
I think he puts the phone in his pocket without any case.
If so, in which direction does your screen point ?
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I think he puts the phone in his pocket without any case.
If so, in which direction does your screen point ?
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I do the same and the screen is on my body/leg.
I found that this causes a lot of wear on the screen protector (you DO have one right?)
But i was too scared to have the LCD face outward just in case of a bump.
Yes I use the leather case that the 7501 came with.
I am more worried about the camera port getting scratched than the screen, which I have a screen protector on.
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Are you pocketing it while it is cased, or without? If cased, are you using the case that came in the box?
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As an ASU student that takes a ton of notes, I am extremely pleased to shed my laptop. After acquiring an 8GB SDHC and a Stowaway Bluetooth Keyboard, I have made my Kaiser into the perfect Laptop Killer.
Here is a link to the magnificent keyboard that made this all possible:
http://www.igo.com/product.asp?sku=2524884
I got mine from J&R Electronics' website where they're offering a sale. While the keyboard is a little bit bigger than I would like, the keys are a joy to press and I can achieve up to 100 WPM after initially getting used to it for just a few minutes. It is a bit cumbersome to carry in one's pocket (it would only fit in a rear pocket of mine), but I carry it in my messenger bag since I have to take written notes and file papers throughout the day.
Either way, I'm happy to shed the few pounds of my tablet laptop.
I'd highly recommend this keyboard and am happy to say that the drivers, from what I have tested, work perfectly.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but if this is the same keyboard:
http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE
Then you have been robbed !!!
WoWOWOWOWWO!!! 80% off?!?!?! I gotta get that before Amazon runs out of stock or corrects the price. Thanks for the great find.
As for the Kaiser as a laptop killer, not quite But I suppose I can see how that can work for a college student.
Thanks for the Amazon link! I just ordered one. Which driver are you using for the Kaiser?
If that keyboard supports the HID profile you won't need a driver -- I'm using the Freedom Universal Keyboard, which supports SPP or HID. HID support is built into the WM6 stack, so you don't have to install a driver.
Yep that's the one. Oh well. Either way, I do not use the default HID driver because I like to make use of the hotkeys etc. I use the driver from igo.com.
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Yep that's the one. Oh well. Either way, I do not use the default HID driver because I like to make use of the hotkeys etc. I use the driver from igo.com.
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Damn bro i feel bad 4 u. It's alright try to get some type of partial refund or something. Checkout slickdeals.net they said it was 29.99 for a while. This post just reminded me to buy one. Anyways if you feel like it was worth what you paid even it was more than that it doesn't matter. I heard there's a dumb sticker on it can you confirm?
Mine is branded with the ThinkOutside logo on the front which isn't too bad and the standard FCC info, barcodes, etc on the back. The thing that irks me most about the keyboard is that the locking mechanism when it is folded out seems somewhat cheap (a 1cm piece of plastic). Oh, and they should have used a USB rechargeable LiPoly battery instead of 2 AAAs. The keyboard would be much more portable if the battery part was shaved off the top.
Honestly I think the thing was worth the $100 I paid for it, so I'm going to buy a spare for $30.
I have been on the Amazon uk site and they do the Think Outside keyboard for £17.99!! Think i might get one.
Think Outside Keyboard
Cant find any bluetooth keyboard anywhere else any cheaper....
Hey congrats on your find klasikahl, you've got the setup I'm hoping to use in grad school. What I'd really like to have though, along with this keyboard, is a number pad and a MoGo bluetooth mouse!
I have heard a few complaints about the keyboard though. Is it hard to remove the phone stand? Also, if you hit a key on the far left or right of the keyboard, does it all **** to one side? No biggie either way really, but I was curious.
You might want to try one of these keyboards. I have one and it works well. An alternative to the built in keyboard if you can type fast. ie 50wpm
http://www.itechdynamic.com/en/products_spec.asp?cid=7&pid=07010
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Hey congrats on your find klasikahl, you've got the setup I'm hoping to use in grad school. What I'd really like to have though, along with this keyboard, is a number pad and a MoGo bluetooth mouse!
I have heard a few complaints about the keyboard though. Is it hard to remove the phone stand? Also, if you hit a key on the far left or right of the keyboard, does it all **** to one side? No biggie either way really, but I was curious.
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It is not hard to remove the phone stand. Merely bend it back off of the keyboard (as if you're going to break it) and it will pop off before breaking any pieces. Because of the portable design, the left and right sides of the keyboard do not touch the surface beneath when the keyboard is expanded. If you hit a key on the far sides, it will likewise tilt to one side, but this is a very minimal annoyance.
I am able to type 90% of my desktop speed with this little guy. My understanding about the "virtual" optical keyboard that was posted is that the key registration is not perfect, and also there's no tactile response (the ThinkOutside keyboard's response is great).
LMAO damn man thread creator got owned bad. Thats why I always check amazon when I buy stuff to see if I can't find it for a lower price.
I liked the price so much that I bought two, one for me and one for my fiancee. Gotta love Amazon though, it took a whole week to arrive (gotta love Amazon holiday shipping)... The sticker haunted me 2x
Got mine from Amazon today, very nice design! The software really lets it do a lot. At first the Tab and Back Space Keys were stuck down but after som fiddling they now work fine. The biggest problem was removing the helpfull but stupid open/close instruction sticker that came on it, took 1/2 hour with GooGone adhesive remover....
Mine came today
Yup, based on the $29 price, I grabbed one too (actually, had a $15 off coupon sitting in my account - who knew). It came today!
Thanks for the heads up
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The biggest problem was removing the helpfull but stupid open/close instruction sticker that came on it, took 1/2 hour with GooGone adhesive remover....
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I got mine Tuesday, and had the same issue with that damn sticker. Otherwise it's great!
I bought one too. Maybe they are $29 bucks until they unload the batch with bad tape. Still a great deal.
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Yep that's the one. Oh well. Either way, I do not use the default HID driver because I like to make use of the hotkeys etc. I use the driver from igo.com.
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The Kaiser isn't listed on their drivers web page. The drivers that came on the CD (WM5) aren't working on my Tilt either. Which drivers in particular are you using klasikahl?
I D/L'd the drivers from the iGo website, they are also WM5 drivers but work fine on my Kaiser. It did ask to disable the HID driver and I said yes, then it went thru the pairing process. I had to make the KBD discoverable, pair and done. It adds a SIP keyboard choice, in fact if I have another soft keyboard selected and then open the iGo, the Kaiser will auto select the iGo SIP and take off working, very nice.
I was at OSCON a few weeks back and the thinkgeek folks were there. They had a Bluetooth Laser Virtual Keyboard hooked up & I played with is for a few seconds.
Its a bit pricey, but has anyone tried it?
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I was at OSCON a few weeks back and the thinkgeek folks were there. They had a Bluetooth Laser Virtual Keyboard hooked up & I played with is for a few seconds.
Its a bit pricey, but has anyone tried it?
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Very well!!!
bt laser kb
Just sold mine on ebay, came with my kaiser
It's a brilliant ice breaker in pubs, girls love it, but it is rubbish to actually use.
Why so? The only thing i image being hard about it is that you have to rest your palm on the ground rather than an elevated surface.
A buddy of mine had one for a while...he had nothing but good things to say
about it but i have particularly long fingers and i was tripping the key recognition for the keys below the keys i was going for. so id go to type "ASDF" for example and id get "AZSXDCFV"... but that may just be something you learn to work around in time. seemed neat though
I used to have one for my treo. Takes some getting used too, but if you can get good at it, you can type really fast.
As far as responsiveness, and accuracy, never had a problem with it.
Only problem I ever had was drifting off the home keys and typing like a row off.
Don't know if this has been mentioned before but you need not disassemble *anything* on the Kaiser (8925 / AT&T Tilt) to replace the keyboard. The keyboard has an adhesive backing. Open the slideout, then gently pry up the keypad. Don't worry if you destroy the old one. There are several layers - the key pads themselves, the rubber spongy part, the actual sensor (white layer) part, and the bottom which is a black layer with the adhesive.
I bring this up because I carefully disassembled the entire phone only to figure out that the keypad is inserted from the top (keypad) side, not attached in any way from the under side of that part of the housing.
I hope this helps somebody
I'm glad to know this! I've got a TyTN II with the standard black keyboard. I love it. So, I bought a phone on eBay that was supposed to be a real HTC TyTN II... but it is the TILT. I HATE the silver keys. I have found several sources on eBay for new keyboards, but am having trouble finding a black TyTN II board. I can find pretty easy, however, the WING keyboard. LOOKS identical...
Anyone know if it is a direct replacement?
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I'm glad to know this! I've got a TyTN II with the standard black keyboard. I love it. So, I bought a phone on eBay that was supposed to be a real HTC TyTN II... but it is the TILT. I HATE the silver keys. I have found several sources on eBay for new keyboards, but am having trouble finding a black TyTN II board. I can find pretty easy, however, the WING keyboard. LOOKS identical...
Anyone know if it is a direct replacement?
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Its not! :-( I have a wing and a tilt and I wanted to put the wing keyboard on my tilt but they are different shapes! The tilt keyboard is more rounded! I feel your pain!
Edit: Check it out found this!
http://www.ppctechs.com/HTC-Kaiser_971/repairs/inner-keyboard_1090-372.htm
thanks! i have another issue: some keys are harder to activate, mainly "g" and "y". could it be possible to clean it only and replace it? and is there a step by step manual for how to disassemble the keyboard?
thanks
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thanks! i have another issue: some keys are harder to activate, mainly "g" and "y". could it be possible to clean it only and replace it? and is there a step by step manual for how to disassemble the keyboard?
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Yes i had the same problem, also want to know whether it's true we can clean keypad contact without have to disassemble all case, pictures will be better
erwinpiero said:
Yes i had the same problem, also want to know whether it's true we can clean keypad contact without have to disassemble all case, pictures will be better
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yep same here. r, s, and spacebar give me the most trouble ( probably because they are so common. word recognition is my only workaround to this point but it is very frustrating. I guess the keyboards for the tilt dont hold up so well. I did remove and clean my t-mob dash keyboard with tuner cleaner from radioshack and it worked a treat. wish i could get a working keyboard out of my kaiser.
I was having the same problem with the w, v, and s keys and found this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2719032&postcount=1
I was planning on buying a new keyboard off ebay, but this worked like a charm.
Where can I buy a tilt replacement keyboard assembly other than Ebay, but at a similar price so I can receive it faster than if it came from China?
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thanks! i have another issue: some keys are harder to activate, mainly "g" and "y". could it be possible to clean it only and replace it? and is there a step by step manual for how to disassemble the keyboard?
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It's a rubber dome capacitance keyboard - there isn't much to clean. I ripped mine out and replaced it with one from eBay - no more pounding on the "T" key.
Problem is - my replacement keyboard is peeling up from the corners (adhesive isn't holding), so I'm going to throw another $5.00 into it and see if I can come up with a way to make the next one REALLY stay down in all 4 corners.
There are videos and manuals showing how to disassemble entire phone. Here's a link to the videos:
http://www.fonlogix.us/ATampT-Tilt-Complete-Housing-_p_548.html#
Once you watch that, I'm not sure you'll want the manual. But the 8925 service manuals are fairly easy to find in PDF format. I'll make you do the Google typing for that one.
hi, some of my keys on my tilt i have press'em harder in order for the key to work, would a keyboard replacement fix the issue?
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It's a rubber dome capacitance keyboard - there isn't much to clean. I ripped mine out and replaced it with one from eBay - no more pounding on the "T" key.
Problem is - my replacement keyboard is peeling up from the corners (adhesive isn't holding), so I'm going to throw another $5.00 into it and see if I can come up with a way to make the next one REALLY stay down in all 4 corners.
There are videos and manuals showing how to disassemble entire phone. Here's a link to the videos:
http://www.fonlogix.us/ATampT-Tilt-Complete-Housing-_p_548.html#
Once you watch that, I'm not sure you'll want the manual. But the 8925 service manuals are fairly easy to find in PDF format. I'll make you do the Google typing for that one.
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Hey there guys - how difficult of a task would it be to build a physical keyboard for the HD2, built into a case, connected through USB for the HD2?
I'm looking to the LG Versa for inspiration but have no real experience getting physical keyboards coded to work with OSs..
Was imagining how cool it would be to have the keyboard from the G1 built into a flip case for the HD2...
Is this an extremely lofty goal? Anyone out there with experience in such a matter?
I've looked at BT keyboards, but they are all way too big to be comfortably and logically integrated into a case for the HD2...
Appreciative,
Rod R.
All due respect, why not just buy a phone with a keyboard?
Do you know of any phones with the HD2's specs and screen size that have a physical keyboard that will work with TmoUS?
I came from a G1 and loved it... I love the HD2, but missing the keyboard.
If there is a phone you can recommend with the HD2's specs, screen size, looks, etc, with a physical keyboard, preferably with Android, then I'm all over it... I don't believe it exists.
Cheers-
Rod R.
MyTouch Slide is coming out in June, 3.5 inch screen and 600mhz cpu. Thats the closest to what your asking.
RodRahmani said:
Hey there guys - how difficult of a task would it be to build a physical keyboard for the HD2, built into a case, connected through USB for the HD2?
I'm looking to the LG Versa for inspiration but have no real experience getting physical keyboards coded to work with OSs..
Was imagining how cool it would be to have the keyboard from the G1 built into a flip case for the HD2...
Is this an extremely lofty goal? Anyone out there with experience in such a matter?
I've looked at BT keyboards, but they are all way too big to be comfortably and logically integrated into a case for the HD2...
Appreciative,
Rod R.
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The only way you can connect a keyboard to the hd2 would be through bluetooth. The HD2 does not have a working usb host feature right now. I've seen small bluetooth keypads that are about the same size as the HD2 that you might be able to use... but it has really small keys like on a blackberry. it's more of a thumbboard.
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The only way you can connect a keyboard to the hd2 would be through bluetooth. The HD2 does not have a working usb host feature right now.
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The last I heard (this was back in 2008), Windows Mobile doesn't offer a USB host or SDK.
Since you pointed out that this phone doesn't have one "right now" am I to assume that some WinMo phones do have it or that it is possible to have one for the HD2 in the future?
OP: I have a Dell GM952 that I use on my HD2 when I am home and texting/tweeting a lot. Haven't seen a massive battery drain like I was expecting either.
I know you are asking about HD2-sized bluetooth keyboards, and this is a full-size QWERTY, but I thought you might be interested in hearing that I don't have any problems with it.
Good info!!
The Mytouch slide is nowhere near the coolness factor of the HD2, but thanks for the heads up..
I'll look into the Dell GM952!!
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The last I heard (this was back in 2008), Windows Mobile doesn't offer a USB host or SDK.
Since you pointed out that this phone doesn't have one "right now" am I to assume that some WinMo phones do have it or that it is possible to have one for the HD2 in the future?
OP: I have a Dell GM952 that I use on my HD2 when I am home and texting/tweeting a lot. Haven't seen a massive battery drain like I was expecting either.
I know you are asking about HD2-sized bluetooth keyboards, and this is a full-size QWERTY, but I thought you might be interested in hearing that I don't have any problems with it.
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There have been many WinMo devices with USB host functionality... Athena was one of them. There were many others. The HD2 actually has the hardware to support USB host but doesn't provide power to devices connected to it. It just doesn't have the software or drivers.
Cotulla (the one who developed hspl for hd2) was working on a driver that allows usb host functionality, but you would need to provide external power to anything you attached. Theres a thread in the original Leo forum. But cotulla never released the driver as he was still working bugs out, and now it's been over a month since cotulla has signed into xda, so I don't know what happened to him. I hope everything is ok with him.
Also, I hear the USB host drivers are going to be functional in the linux port... so when android is made for the hd2, it should have usb host.(but again, external power is needed)
Check out these bluetooth keypads... you might be able to turn one of these into a "keyboard case"....
http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=7170155
http://www.buynowmobi.com/Mini-Palm...Media-Keyboard-for-PDA-PC-PS3-Cellphone-2-AAA
found these with a quick google search. theres probably more out there.
How about something like this
http://cgi.ebay.com/T2000-wifi-TV-p...d=ViewItem&pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3a5ac5c6e9
or
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-Bluetooth-...AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item563c5d9fb4
I saw these and thought the idea was pretty cool...
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http://cgi.ebay.com/T2000-wifi-TV-p...d=ViewItem&pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3a5ac5c6e9
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-Bluetooth-...AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item563c5d9fb4
I saw these and thought the idea was pretty cool...
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There you go.... that second link for the mini bluetooth keyboard would be perfect to make a keyboard flip case like the OP was thinking about. Perfect size.
RodRahmani said:
Do you know of any phones with the HD2's specs and screen size that have a physical keyboard that will work with TmoUS?
I came from a G1 and loved it... I love the HD2, but missing the keyboard.
If there is a phone you can recommend with the HD2's specs, screen size, looks, etc, with a physical keyboard, preferably with Android, then I'm all over it... I don't believe it exists.
Cheers-
Rod R.
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Gotcha. I, too came from the G1, and was worried about the lack of physical keyboard, but find I have adapted well to this.
This actually is a great idea, although it'd be kind of akward since, on a decently made, agenda-style pouch, both the keyboard and the device would sit in landscape mode, so, when trying to use the device, you'd be forced to take it out and force it to portrait mode (sure, some apps do sensor-rotate, but for the ones that don't you're screwed).
Still nice to be able to carry around a keyboard for fast typing in a nice, stylized, elegant looking pouch.
HTC's IME, which was surprisingly good on Android, is kind of frustrating to use on this device for some reason.
There's also this thing, which is exactly what you are looking for:
www egigabook com
It was discussed in this thread:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=632537
It looks very cool but god knows if they ship it anywhere outside HK. Perhaps someone can import that thing and sell it from a more european-usa friendly place.
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Nice one
http://cgi.ebay.com/LG-VX9600-Qwert...ewItem&pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2c548cef5e
I like this one too but it is made for a LG phone... To bad they don't make this for the HD2
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003TUZJN6/ref=oss_product
found this on amazon. paired easily and works well. working on making a landscape flip case.