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Stock case, no keyboard

Has anyone opted to use the supplied case and leave the keyboard at home? If so does it lighten the load, reduce the bulk, and work pretty well? I realize it removes the ability to view the secondary screen, but for those who don't use the keyboard for much this seems like a way to mitigate the "pain" of carrying the thing around, especially if a bluetooth headset with caller id is used. Anyone?
Thanks

Tref said:
Has anyone opted to use the supplied case and leave the keyboard at home? If so does it lighten the load, reduce the bulk, and work pretty well? I realize it removes the ability to view the secondary screen, but for those who don't use the keyboard for much this seems like a way to mitigate the "pain" of carrying the thing around, especially if a bluetooth headset with caller id is used. Anyone?
Thanks
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Do you have a different supplied case than the one with the Ameo?
I can't use the secondary screen with mine as the case isn't transparant.. :-/

Stock case is fine....for the moment!
Yeah ive opted to use the case without the keyboard, im finding im getting on with it well (especially since I purchased a Jabra 8010 headset, with caller id and vibrate)
This is great (altho im still getting used to 'whats that vibrating noise? oh its the headset, oops!' hehe!)
I find these work well together, it doesnt matter that I cant see the caller display thats there when the keyboards there.
As regards to typing, ive tried all of the options that are available Resco Keyboard, SPB Keyboard, the lot, and they are all ok, but i still go back to the standard keyboard on the bigger setting so the keys are easy to push. 90% of the time, with fast typing im fine, and happy not to be carrying the keyboard round, which i find worse than the onscreen keyboard.
Its not because of the feel of the keys on the hardware keyboard, its the layout. I just cant get used to it, and ive tried. I dont find it impossible to type, and I guess if i used it more then id get used to it, but the benefits of not carrying it around, outweigh the benefits of having the keyboard with me.
Id prefer a 'Skin' type of case, but even then, id be worried about the screen getting damaged, so for now, im happy to stick with the standard case that came with the Ameo.

jmdrizen said:
Do you have a different supplied case than the one with the Ameo?
I can't use the secondary screen with mine as the case isn't transparant.. :-/
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I don't have an Advantage yet. I'm in the market for a replacement for my Wizard and have it narrowed down to either the Advantage x7501 or the Nokia E90. But there are so many production problems appearing with the E90 that I'm leaning heavily toward the 7501. Plus the OS (M$), is a known evil and my software for the Wizard will mostly work fine on it. If I do buy one I will likely carry it without the keyboard so long as I can do so while keeping the screen 100% protected, just as tomchap is concerned about.
I rarely use the keyboard on my Wizard and I suspect I would not use it much with the 7501 either, mostly because I don't need to compose much on my phone, and don't browse the web much either while I'm out and about. So for me the trick will be to find a way to carry it without the kb yet keep it protected while still being able to access the it quickly when I need to look something up in a rush. I have a BlueAnt v12 with caller id, so the phone can stay cased while I'm answering calls. FWIW my idea of an ideal case would be a crystal case with a flip up screen cover.
Thanks for the replies

I am putting the phone in my pants pocket without the keyboard. With the keyboard it is too thick. Without, it 'just' fits! W/O the KB the form factor is now in that sweet spot where I don't notice the bulk as much.
Plus, I am used to graffiti text input with my old Sony Clie, Palm OS, so leaving behind the kb is not a big deal for me.
Keith Walker

Are you pocketing it while it is cased, or without? If cased, are you using the case that came in the box?

I think he puts the phone in his pocket without any case.
If so, in which direction does your screen point ?

mojo2000 said:
I think he puts the phone in his pocket without any case.
If so, in which direction does your screen point ?
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I do the same and the screen is on my body/leg.

I found that this causes a lot of wear on the screen protector (you DO have one right?)
But i was too scared to have the LCD face outward just in case of a bump.

Yes I use the leather case that the 7501 came with.
I am more worried about the camera port getting scratched than the screen, which I have a screen protector on.
Tref said:
Are you pocketing it while it is cased, or without? If cased, are you using the case that came in the box?
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Kaiser + SDHC + Bluetooth Keyboard = Never Carry a Laptop Again

As an ASU student that takes a ton of notes, I am extremely pleased to shed my laptop. After acquiring an 8GB SDHC and a Stowaway Bluetooth Keyboard, I have made my Kaiser into the perfect Laptop Killer.
Here is a link to the magnificent keyboard that made this all possible:
http://www.igo.com/product.asp?sku=2524884
I got mine from J&R Electronics' website where they're offering a sale. While the keyboard is a little bit bigger than I would like, the keys are a joy to press and I can achieve up to 100 WPM after initially getting used to it for just a few minutes. It is a bit cumbersome to carry in one's pocket (it would only fit in a rear pocket of mine), but I carry it in my messenger bag since I have to take written notes and file papers throughout the day.
Either way, I'm happy to shed the few pounds of my tablet laptop.
I'd highly recommend this keyboard and am happy to say that the drivers, from what I have tested, work perfectly.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but if this is the same keyboard:
http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE
Then you have been robbed !!!

WoWOWOWOWWO!!! 80% off?!?!?! I gotta get that before Amazon runs out of stock or corrects the price. Thanks for the great find.
As for the Kaiser as a laptop killer, not quite But I suppose I can see how that can work for a college student.

Thanks for the Amazon link! I just ordered one. Which driver are you using for the Kaiser?

If that keyboard supports the HID profile you won't need a driver -- I'm using the Freedom Universal Keyboard, which supports SPP or HID. HID support is built into the WM6 stack, so you don't have to install a driver.

Yep that's the one. Oh well. Either way, I do not use the default HID driver because I like to make use of the hotkeys etc. I use the driver from igo.com.

klasikahl said:
Yep that's the one. Oh well. Either way, I do not use the default HID driver because I like to make use of the hotkeys etc. I use the driver from igo.com.
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Damn bro i feel bad 4 u. It's alright try to get some type of partial refund or something. Checkout slickdeals.net they said it was 29.99 for a while. This post just reminded me to buy one. Anyways if you feel like it was worth what you paid even it was more than that it doesn't matter. I heard there's a dumb sticker on it can you confirm?

Mine is branded with the ThinkOutside logo on the front which isn't too bad and the standard FCC info, barcodes, etc on the back. The thing that irks me most about the keyboard is that the locking mechanism when it is folded out seems somewhat cheap (a 1cm piece of plastic). Oh, and they should have used a USB rechargeable LiPoly battery instead of 2 AAAs. The keyboard would be much more portable if the battery part was shaved off the top.
Honestly I think the thing was worth the $100 I paid for it, so I'm going to buy a spare for $30.

I have been on the Amazon uk site and they do the Think Outside keyboard for £17.99!! Think i might get one.
Think Outside Keyboard
Cant find any bluetooth keyboard anywhere else any cheaper....

Hey congrats on your find klasikahl, you've got the setup I'm hoping to use in grad school. What I'd really like to have though, along with this keyboard, is a number pad and a MoGo bluetooth mouse!
I have heard a few complaints about the keyboard though. Is it hard to remove the phone stand? Also, if you hit a key on the far left or right of the keyboard, does it all **** to one side? No biggie either way really, but I was curious.

You might want to try one of these keyboards. I have one and it works well. An alternative to the built in keyboard if you can type fast. ie 50wpm
http://www.itechdynamic.com/en/products_spec.asp?cid=7&pid=07010

ziggykd said:
Hey congrats on your find klasikahl, you've got the setup I'm hoping to use in grad school. What I'd really like to have though, along with this keyboard, is a number pad and a MoGo bluetooth mouse!
I have heard a few complaints about the keyboard though. Is it hard to remove the phone stand? Also, if you hit a key on the far left or right of the keyboard, does it all **** to one side? No biggie either way really, but I was curious.
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It is not hard to remove the phone stand. Merely bend it back off of the keyboard (as if you're going to break it) and it will pop off before breaking any pieces. Because of the portable design, the left and right sides of the keyboard do not touch the surface beneath when the keyboard is expanded. If you hit a key on the far sides, it will likewise tilt to one side, but this is a very minimal annoyance.
I am able to type 90% of my desktop speed with this little guy. My understanding about the "virtual" optical keyboard that was posted is that the key registration is not perfect, and also there's no tactile response (the ThinkOutside keyboard's response is great).

LMAO damn man thread creator got owned bad. Thats why I always check amazon when I buy stuff to see if I can't find it for a lower price.

I liked the price so much that I bought two, one for me and one for my fiancee. Gotta love Amazon though, it took a whole week to arrive (gotta love Amazon holiday shipping)... The sticker haunted me 2x

Got mine from Amazon today, very nice design! The software really lets it do a lot. At first the Tab and Back Space Keys were stuck down but after som fiddling they now work fine. The biggest problem was removing the helpfull but stupid open/close instruction sticker that came on it, took 1/2 hour with GooGone adhesive remover....

Mine came today
Yup, based on the $29 price, I grabbed one too (actually, had a $15 off coupon sitting in my account - who knew). It came today!
Thanks for the heads up

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The biggest problem was removing the helpfull but stupid open/close instruction sticker that came on it, took 1/2 hour with GooGone adhesive remover....
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I got mine Tuesday, and had the same issue with that damn sticker. Otherwise it's great!

I bought one too. Maybe they are $29 bucks until they unload the batch with bad tape. Still a great deal.

klasikahl said:
Yep that's the one. Oh well. Either way, I do not use the default HID driver because I like to make use of the hotkeys etc. I use the driver from igo.com.
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The Kaiser isn't listed on their drivers web page. The drivers that came on the CD (WM5) aren't working on my Tilt either. Which drivers in particular are you using klasikahl?

I D/L'd the drivers from the iGo website, they are also WM5 drivers but work fine on my Kaiser. It did ask to disable the HID driver and I said yes, then it went thru the pairing process. I had to make the KBD discoverable, pair and done. It adds a SIP keyboard choice, in fact if I have another soft keyboard selected and then open the iGo, the Kaiser will auto select the iGo SIP and take off working, very nice.

Thinking about upgrading from the Touch Pro 2 to HD2 - Some input!?

Hiya,
I've had my trusty Touch Pro 2 (GSM version) for some time now, I'm thinking about upgrading to the HD2. I would like some input before taking the leap! The main reason I want to upgrade is due to the lag/slowness of the HTC Touch Pro 2, this is preventing me from using the phone to its fullest, disabling a lot of functions etc just so I can try and optimize speed.
Has anyone here upgrade from one to the other, If so, How significant are the performance gains?? I'm overclocking the TP2 CPU to 710mhz, but it still seems quite slow, is the HD2 worth the upgrade from this perspective? Also - how significant is the extra ram??
My other problem is the lack of physical keyboard, the last four phones I have owned have all had physical keyboards, this Touch Pro 2 keyboard is the best by far, for anyone going from a physical keyboard to the HD2, what's your experience? does the 4.3" screen compensate for lack of a physical keyboard?
Please note: Phone will be used mainly for business purposes, i.e. emails, internet, organizer, stock quotes etc. I only very occasionally used the music player.
Thanks for any help

went from the TP2 to the HD2 about a month or two ago. The bigger screen rocks. Once you spend a little time with the capacitive display on the HD2, you'll hate having to touch the TP2s screen.
You will forever miss the physical keyboard. Not a day goes by where I'm typing out a text where I ****ing hate the damn onscreen keyboard. The arrow placement as well as the T9/ABC keys are just too damn inconvenient. I'd take the extra bulkiness anyday to get the TP2s physical keyboard on here.
I never upgraded my TP2 to 6.5 because I always read that it ate way too much memory. You won't have that issue on the HD2. It's super speedy. The onlly thing you'll experience any lag on is HTCs reworked messaging app. Luckily that can be disabled.
My only other gripe about the HD2 is that with Manila 2.5 HTC took out the battery usage statistics on the Power settings page. Other than that, take the plunge. The HD2 is a phenominal phone. Once you start using the glorious capacitive 4.3" screen, the only thing you'll miss from the TP2 is the keyboard.

so you think overall (despite the lack of keyboard) it is worth upgrading from TP2 to HD2??

join us, join us.
No really, do join us. This is one of the few true superphones out this year, and will still be relevant for at least a year.
I had a TP2 before the HD2. The HD2 is so slim compared to it. You won't notice the difference in your pocket though, it will take up slightly more room b/c of it's screen. I have to say though, that 4.3" screen really is space efficient. Screen quality-meh, just a tad better than the TP2. Comfort...TP2 feels more confortable hands down, whether its in your hand, held next to your ear, or in your pocket. Keyboard? Gosh, let's just say that if you are a very very high texter, keep your tp2, or better yet downgrade to a messaging phone..those are faster anyways. Otherwise, for occasional users, Swype makes the keyboard actually bearable. In terms of speed, HD2 blows the TP2 away. It doesn't really run stuff faster, but it is more capable of running stuff. (No freezing, soft resets, low memory, etc) But that's a major gripe of WM phones prior to the HD2. So if thats your biggest gripe, I would even more urge you to upgrade. Not to mention, you can grab one for a song these days.
Here's the thing, I know you are unsure, as you expressed in post #3. Your post asking for confirmation shows you feel the #2 post is mixed. Well let me make this clear: My post OVERWHELMINGLY tells you to upgrade.
Cheers!

hands down, lack of keyboard is worth everything else that you gain with the hd2.
going back is now simply unthinkable (particularly because of the screen and snapdragon)

Well... I'm not a particularly HEAVY texter. However, I do need to occasionally edit documents on the run/write emails. You are correct, my biggest gripe at the moment is with the whole speed thing. I want to be able to use HTC sense as it was designed without having to turn everything off to conserve CPU power/memory. I also feel restricted as I don't really install any 3rd party apps due to fear of 'cluttering'.
In saying that, the TP2 has been very trusty, other than the speed and ram issues, the keyboard has been nothing short of flawless and the stability has been impressive (coming from an Xperia with the infamous SOD issue, this TP2 has been in a league of its own).
I guess another issue which bothered me is the screen rotation time for the keyboard to switch things into landscape, that was quite an annoyance on the run.
I do keep a blackberry bold as a backup phone, so I guess if I really missing a physical keyboard that much, I can give it a whirl. So yeah.. I have gone ahead with my purchase, hopefully won't regret it! Now... time for the 'extras' - docks and such!

if it wasn't clear in my first post.... UPGRADE!!!!
seriously! though you'll miss the keyboard, the phone is still a whole new beast that you'll fall in love with. Hell, just watch a movie on the 4.3" screen & you'll be sold.
If you lived in Phoenix, AZ I'd say come & have a look at mine for an hour to help nudge over to the HD2 crowd.

I changed my phone 2 weeks ago from TP2 to HD2.
My main thing was also the keyboard. But when you rotate the HD2 you get the same keyboard, only on screen... But it works great.
I love the speed, love the big screen, dont miss my physical keyboard.
Just do it......

Touch Pro2 is a good phone. HD2 is a great phone.
My previous 2 phones both had hardware keyboards and I wondered how I would manage without when I got my HD2. It did take some getting used to and if I'm honest I can type faster on a hardware keyboard than on a touch screen. My typing speed is improving all the time though. If you cant get along with the standard SIP, Swype is uncanny in its ability to correctly guess the words you want.
My friend got a Touch Pro2 as a free upgrade and was happy until he tried my HD2. His TP2 went straight on to ebay and he now has a HD2 and is delighted.
I don't want to sound too evangelical but go for the HD2 it really is as good as everyone on here says it is.

I left the TP2 for the HD2 a couple of months ago. Wow, so much better. If you type a lot though you'll miss the keyboard. I just ordered a Mini Bluetooth keyboard that I'm hoping will make the HD2 the best of both worlds!

I forgot to mention, I really mis MS voice Command on BT. Doesn't work on the HD2. Cyberon works fine, once you add the fix here on XDA...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=593529&highlight=voice&page=5 See post #47.
Makes the HD2 finally work with BT and a Voice command app!

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I forgot to mention, I really mis MS voice Command on BT. Doesn't work on the HD2. Cyberon works fine, once you add the fix here on XDA...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=593529&highlight=voice&page=5 See post #47.
Makes the HD2 finally work with BT and a Voice command app!
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MS Voice Command v1.6.23562 works fine via bluetooth on my TMOUS HD2 with Miri & DINIK's v19 ROM.
As far as the TP2 and HD2 go, I still use both daily. The TP2 for work, due to it's keyboard, and the HD2 for personal use. IMHO, the combination of screen size, increased CPU speed, double the RAM, quadruple the ROM, along with the ability to run a well functioning Android 2.2 build, all make the HD2 the obvious winner over the TP2.
Best to all,
R

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MS Voice Command v1.6.23562 works fine via bluetooth on my TMOUS HD2 with Miri & DINIK's v19 ROM.
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No kidding?! Thanks, I'll try that setup! I've looked all over, this is the first I've found an HD2 working with MSVC over a BT headset. It really takes the command and verifies over the headset?

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No kidding?! Thanks, I'll try that setup! I've looked all over, this is the first I've found an HD2 working with MSVC over a BT headset. It really takes the command and verifies over the headset?
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Yes, MSVC works exactly as it does with my TP2 via BT. I use it with the Jabra BT3030 & BT8010 headsets, as well as the Motorola S705.
If you would like, I can attach it. It installs with an installation error, but works as intended.
Best to all,
R

Thanks! No need for the attachment, I have the cab for that version. I sincerely apreciate the offer though. I'll be trying that version soon!

If you want the most awesome Windows Mobile 6.5 device, go for it!
If you just want an awesome device, I'd pick something else.

[Multitouch] Wrong recognition

Hey guys I always knew that multitouch on HD2 isn't pefect at all, but now I noticed a peculiar behavior which I was not aware (tnx to ICS)...
enabling a function in developer settings to show pointers position I discovered that multitouch is working in a wrong way.
When you put the second finger over the screen it is recognized correctly but when you move it close to the same axis of the first one (both vertical and horizontal axis), it automatically get aligned on the same abscissa or ordinate (depends which axis was closer) even if the fingers are not aligned.
This is frustrating when I use some apps that take advantage of multitouch, such as games or emulators, because while I'm pressing a key on the screen and I need to press another one on the opposite side, but not perfectly aligned, I get a wrong recognition and often I press another key or a blank space.
I hope I was clear, but to understand better the problem you should activate that function in developer settings and try yourself.
Please give me a hope to think it is a solvable problem... maybe with a better driver :fingers-crossed:

That's just the screen I'm afraid. I've had the same issue with every ROM I've tried, and there's nothing you can do to solve it. At the very least, it's nice for me to hear some confirmation that I'm not the only one who experiences this.

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That's just the screen I'm afraid. I've had the same issue with every ROM I've tried, and there's nothing you can do to solve it. At the very least, it's nice for me to hear some confirmation that I'm not the only one who experiences this.
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I read around the forum that HD2 has hardware capabilities, so I think we need to get better input driver

The hardware doesn't support more than 2 points, and it does this rather poorly too. It's not so bad when using things like pinch to zoom or using two fingers to turn the map in Google Maps but when gaming it can be a bit of a pain. There's no driver that can increase the number of points the HW can support (if there was one then surely it would already have been implemented in Android) so afaik there's genuinely nothing that can be done about this. If there is, I'm sure someone will correct me soon.

It's a known issue and we can do nothing about it because of not so good touchscreen. Hardware problem, you know. It's present in every OS and in every ROM. For gaming I'd recommend getting a PS3 controller or using OTG cable and some other gamepads, like the X360 one.

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It's a known issue and we can do nothing about it because of not so good touchscreen. Hardware problem, you know. It's present in every OS and in every ROM. For gaming I'd recommend getting a PS3 controller or using OTG cable and some other gamepads, like the X360 one.
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Maybe you're right, an external controller is the best choice, but I don't want to bring with me other accessory when I'm outside... for the wrong recognition I think it's just driver fault because the problem is software side. When I use one finger is really precise the issue is when I try to use two fingers, because the driver is written wrong and read a fake position

Maybe this makes things a bit clearer. http://www.tactyl.com/fr/telecharger/39-drivers
Back in the days, there weren't that many "multitouch" apps out there for android.
If you look at the nexus one, it's even worse. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5puAvPqXpuc
From reading one of the booklets that came with the HD2 it all comes down to single-touch and a pinch-to-zoom gesture which both work most of the time.
Some people who developed emulators at that time, tried to avoid this "autoalignment" by putting the pads in opposite corners.
While still many people don't know that pressing on the edge of the screen, of the HD2, with at least one finger can cause
a swap in the y-axis once the second input is on the screen. (almost like in the nexus one video)
In very good light you can see this "edge-area", it's about ~4mm thick on each edge.
You can always download MVT and test it yourself. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.batterypoweredgames.mtvistest&hl=en
Some time ago tatsumaki made a decent virtual gamepad for fpse which got rid of the alignment by incorporating it in the way he/she arranged the buttons and button mask.
No one is going to fix this by a new driver,
End of story.

Keyone Keyboard as a trackpad?

My philosophy is this: you already have a device nobody really asked for in the first place, the specs are not really 'flagship', you can find probably a better Android phone for a cheaper price, but why not take it to the next level?
Trackpad: because why not?
I'm curious to know how involved it would be to develop something like this for the K1. I understand plugging a mouse and via OTG can give you the ability to view a cursor, (possible no root required?) so why can't we have that virtualized using the K1's touch sensitive keyboard? Obviously Android can pick up a generic input, and I've seen apps that (although wonky) do appear to give the ability to have a virtual trackpad. I guess the question is how the KeyOne's touch function on the keyboard actually is configured.
On the complete opposite end of the spectrum I thought about having an actual physical trackpad as an add-on on the back of the device (or any phone for that matter).
I have serious doubts this phone will be welcome here in the coming year or so. But I know it hasn't gone unnoticed and I'm sure I'm not the only one who will be asking about this. Any information would be extremely helpful as I'm just looking at a point in the right direction. I'd also love to know some thoughts and opinions on this specific question.
A touchpad on a hand held device isn't practical. I know this.