Don't know if this has been mentioned before but you need not disassemble *anything* on the Kaiser (8925 / AT&T Tilt) to replace the keyboard. The keyboard has an adhesive backing. Open the slideout, then gently pry up the keypad. Don't worry if you destroy the old one. There are several layers - the key pads themselves, the rubber spongy part, the actual sensor (white layer) part, and the bottom which is a black layer with the adhesive.
I bring this up because I carefully disassembled the entire phone only to figure out that the keypad is inserted from the top (keypad) side, not attached in any way from the under side of that part of the housing.
I hope this helps somebody
I'm glad to know this! I've got a TyTN II with the standard black keyboard. I love it. So, I bought a phone on eBay that was supposed to be a real HTC TyTN II... but it is the TILT. I HATE the silver keys. I have found several sources on eBay for new keyboards, but am having trouble finding a black TyTN II board. I can find pretty easy, however, the WING keyboard. LOOKS identical...
Anyone know if it is a direct replacement?
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I'm glad to know this! I've got a TyTN II with the standard black keyboard. I love it. So, I bought a phone on eBay that was supposed to be a real HTC TyTN II... but it is the TILT. I HATE the silver keys. I have found several sources on eBay for new keyboards, but am having trouble finding a black TyTN II board. I can find pretty easy, however, the WING keyboard. LOOKS identical...
Anyone know if it is a direct replacement?
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Its not! :-( I have a wing and a tilt and I wanted to put the wing keyboard on my tilt but they are different shapes! The tilt keyboard is more rounded! I feel your pain!
Edit: Check it out found this!
http://www.ppctechs.com/HTC-Kaiser_971/repairs/inner-keyboard_1090-372.htm
thanks! i have another issue: some keys are harder to activate, mainly "g" and "y". could it be possible to clean it only and replace it? and is there a step by step manual for how to disassemble the keyboard?
thanks
knuppelhout said:
thanks! i have another issue: some keys are harder to activate, mainly "g" and "y". could it be possible to clean it only and replace it? and is there a step by step manual for how to disassemble the keyboard?
thanks
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Yes i had the same problem, also want to know whether it's true we can clean keypad contact without have to disassemble all case, pictures will be better
erwinpiero said:
Yes i had the same problem, also want to know whether it's true we can clean keypad contact without have to disassemble all case, pictures will be better
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yep same here. r, s, and spacebar give me the most trouble ( probably because they are so common. word recognition is my only workaround to this point but it is very frustrating. I guess the keyboards for the tilt dont hold up so well. I did remove and clean my t-mob dash keyboard with tuner cleaner from radioshack and it worked a treat. wish i could get a working keyboard out of my kaiser.
I was having the same problem with the w, v, and s keys and found this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2719032&postcount=1
I was planning on buying a new keyboard off ebay, but this worked like a charm.
Where can I buy a tilt replacement keyboard assembly other than Ebay, but at a similar price so I can receive it faster than if it came from China?
knuppelhout said:
thanks! i have another issue: some keys are harder to activate, mainly "g" and "y". could it be possible to clean it only and replace it? and is there a step by step manual for how to disassemble the keyboard?
thanks
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It's a rubber dome capacitance keyboard - there isn't much to clean. I ripped mine out and replaced it with one from eBay - no more pounding on the "T" key.
Problem is - my replacement keyboard is peeling up from the corners (adhesive isn't holding), so I'm going to throw another $5.00 into it and see if I can come up with a way to make the next one REALLY stay down in all 4 corners.
There are videos and manuals showing how to disassemble entire phone. Here's a link to the videos:
http://www.fonlogix.us/ATampT-Tilt-Complete-Housing-_p_548.html#
Once you watch that, I'm not sure you'll want the manual. But the 8925 service manuals are fairly easy to find in PDF format. I'll make you do the Google typing for that one.
hi, some of my keys on my tilt i have press'em harder in order for the key to work, would a keyboard replacement fix the issue?
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It's a rubber dome capacitance keyboard - there isn't much to clean. I ripped mine out and replaced it with one from eBay - no more pounding on the "T" key.
Problem is - my replacement keyboard is peeling up from the corners (adhesive isn't holding), so I'm going to throw another $5.00 into it and see if I can come up with a way to make the next one REALLY stay down in all 4 corners.
There are videos and manuals showing how to disassemble entire phone. Here's a link to the videos:
http://www.fonlogix.us/ATampT-Tilt-Complete-Housing-_p_548.html#
Once you watch that, I'm not sure you'll want the manual. But the 8925 service manuals are fairly easy to find in PDF format. I'll make you do the Google typing for that one.
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Don't know if this has been posted yet or not (I went 3 pages back and saw nothing) but the problem with the screen alignment is that there is a sponge pressing against the digitizer.
You'll have to open your device and remove this sponge strip and the screen alignment issue will be gone.
If you have warranty on your device, it is suggested that you get it repaired through your warrant, but if your a DIY person, then go ahead and do it (opening your device will void yoru warranty).
Since i don't have a TyTn myself, i can't do a step by step guide but check this link out, there are some pictures of the process.
If this process indeed fixed the issue, then it's good to know!
Anyone here has tried it ?
I am still waiting my MDA Vario II !
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gogol said:
If this process indeed fixed the issue, then it's good to know!
Anyone here has tried it ?
I am still waiting my MDA Vario II !
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I have posted elsewhere on this board my solution - which is similar but whilst I removed the gasket I replaced it with a thicker one and firmed up the retaining clips on back of screen. Mine is still fine, but there is a lot of trial and error involved with these solutions. One site I saw was similar to the solution above - a japanese site where he found just taking out the original seal and not replacing it with anything made the problem even worse!
To be honest my personal view is (even though I did my own fix) is get it fixed/replaced under warranty. Slack keyboard maybe a different matter as the fix is rather more certain, but again if you dismantle a device to fix a slack keyboard and you did not have an alignment problem - beware the dismantling may create an alignment problem!!
Mike
What is the fix for a slack keyboard? At least half of my keys don't register after the "click".
Keyboard
rrentrop said:
What is the fix for a slack keyboard? At least half of my keys don't register after the "click".
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Sorry when I say slack keyboard I'm not refering to the missing keys or hard press issues but to the loose sliding and clicking into place mechanism of the keyboard.
Mike
So I perfect my GUI, its slick - nice fat icons for my chubby little fingers - Slide to unlock software, class! and a lovley contact scroller and MP3 scroller for easy music access...
and then, I'm in the workshop and I put a screw in my pocket - bend down to pick up something and "click", I have a brand new hole in my Touchscreen of my SPV M3100 (Heremes).
The LCD is grand - So I assume its just the membrane that was peirced and now it doesnt work, I hate using the hard buttons, and alas, im insurance free...
anyone have any idea where I can buy a replacement? in the UK prefereably - I dont want to send the phone away, as I could do it myself...
any leads would be grand - thanks
JJ McG
I bought an lcd/digitizer combo from a seller on eBay here in the states for $80 US....my digitizer was cracked but it looked easier to install as one unit (you'll see why) so I did that.
Check eBay, and keep on it. Took me about 2 weeks to find a local auction - but there were definately more on your side of the pond.
Sorry to be off topic but what contact and mp3 scroller are you using.
its called icontact - search for it on ppcwarez.org
the mp3 one is in their somewhere too..
works like Iphone,
nu screen anyone!?
Touch screen
I bought an LCD screen from this guy once, very fast service, no problem
www.cnn.cn
cheers
imteresting to see they have a gps antana for a hermies aswell, wonder if it works?
zbee said:
imteresting to see they have a gps antana for a hermies aswell, wonder if it works?
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Do not buy this thinking it will enable GPS - it won't.
Mike
mikechannon said:
Do not buy this thinking it will enable GPS - it won't.
Mike
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LOL yea he's right, all it does is increase your bluetooth GPS devices range, it's just an add-on antenna to stick on the outside of your car for better reception.
As far as the Digitizer goes, I suggest you buy an LCD with a digitzer already on it. It's very difficult to replace just the digitizer and in most cases you'll end up ruining the LCD under it while taking the digitizer off, I've tried it about 5 different times and I could never get it to work correctly, so just go with the full LCD/Digitzer already together.
First, I would like to say ello!!!
Anyway ^.^ I recently aquired a Cingular branded HTC 8125, and was wondering if anyone had a good disassembly guide(or even a bad one really) for it. The one I got has a few.... bugs. Some of which I should be able to fix... Some of which... Well ^.^'
Actually isnt the first PDA type device I've opened up... I even have the nessary tools within reach atm ^.^'' Just always nicer to know where the delicate ribon cables, or randomly held together by plastic tabs/glue spots are when going into something like this...
Anyway. Oi!
check out the service manual available from the wiki it gots the disassembaly guide its preety straight forward nothing hard to it just make sure u dont lose the screws and dont break the tabs.
Thanks, didn't notice it there.
Just a note that should probably go up somewhere, the Cingular 8125 has a slight variance to its disassembly when you get to removing the main PCB, it has a sqrew holding it down near the middle of the board that the version of the wizard that document was for lacks.
Other than that very educational. And got rid of the horrible screen corruption when the face plate buttons are pressed. Completely. ^.^' Stupid loose ribbon cables.
Hi there,
Maybe someone can explain me, where is the hermes's slide indicator (or.. I don't the correct term, sorry for my bad English). My friend gave me his phone, after he was trying to change phone's cover to original htc tytn cover (of course, top part of the case did not fit on that hermes, but bottom case fit's ok). And after he assembled all parts - phone did not recognize when you are sliding the keyboard, and the screen is not turning to landscape position.
And now I want to fix it for myself, ant had tried to search where is that indicator, which 'sees' when you slide the phone. And when I disassembled - I just cant identify that thing. Only one place in my inexperienced eye is suspicious - http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/8708/dscf7321.jpg this place, in other side of LCD, where the hinges(?) is placed. But I can't understand, how its working (I have other HTC TYTN, but it's under warranty, so I cant dissasembly it to try use other parts, o smth..).
So, I would be grateful if someone could lead me to the right road' to fix this problem... if it's possible.
Thanks,
Laimis.
Yes your friend forgot to move the screen orientation magnet from the old case to the new one!! New cases do not have the magnet attached you have to move it from the old case.
See here:
Yes and you forgot to move the screen orientation magnet from the old case to the new one!!
See here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...01&postcount=6
.... so let's hope he didn't throw away the old case!!
Dismantling Guides for Hermes / TyTn here www.mikechannon.net
Mike
Thank you, Mike!
you were right there is no magnet on the new case, so now I will wait until my friend will send me an old case.
God luck!
... good luck to you
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Inspired from members' aging x1 and SESC full of crap... I'm gladly introduce you this full guide that isn't supposed to be exposed. But IMHO, it is supposed to be known by X1 owner.
I think every X1 headset is out of warranty now. While Sony Ericsson Service Centre is always full of crap, bringing broken X1 is absolutely not good idea.
They will asking "faithful" price sometimes the price is higher than the phone itself. Shame on Sony Ericsson.
So please read this guide before you bring your phone to SESC or any Service Centre.
NOTICE: However I'm not responsible to anything. SO take on your own risk!
1. What is in your X1?
Download these pdfs to read the components in your X1
a. Component in your motherboard (Advance user)
b. Component in your handset (Moderate user)
2. How to (dis)assembly your X1?
Download there pdfs to (dis)assembly your X1 in proffesional way
a. Videos in PDF (high bandwidth ISP or no FUP ISP)
b. Pictures in PDF (low bandwidth ISP or limited quota ISP)
3. How to diagnose and repair your broken X1?
Download there pdfs to repair on yourself
a. Problem and solution related to mainboard (Advance user), (!) read "Component in your motherboard
b. Problem and solution related to phone component (Moderate use)
Additional Fixing COMMON ISSUE GUIDE
(thanks to Hkt, triondave, mymailx and russell.eclair (aka rx.eclair)
Taken from local forums and some from XDA-Developers, it's weird some of these methods are never been shared to here...
1. Broken Flex Cable
Diagnose:
a. When slide out, the digitizer (touchscreen panel) isn't working (screen might be working).
b. When slide out, the screen goes blank
c. The mic and front camera buzzing
Repair:
a. FIRST Aid, (It's temporary and somehow fail if you are not skilled, in unkown way)
First method "Tape Patching",
- You can also apply this method preventing this problem while you like using the XPERIA X1 keyboard.
- As easy as ABC, just put insulator tape on the scratch side of flex cable -see blue rectangle with red 'X' inside.
- You may put on another side but it will give a hard slide-out.
Second method "Arc Manipulator", (it's working)
- Try this when you are failing from the first method.
- You can make a very thin plastic with a proper size -see black rectangle with red 'X' inside- and the thick of the plastic should not be thicker than half height of left compartment -see gray rectangle. (I use broken Lego, about 2-3 mm thick and 1x2 cm large)
- Glued it as close as possible to the edge of the 'arc' flex cable -see yellow line.
Explanation: So even the flex cable being retracted while the slider out, the position of 'arc' flex cable is manipulated as closed slider flex cable position. You've got to be sure that the thick of the plastic will not make the flex cable out of the housing so for assurance, try to move the slide locker upside down several times -see gree rectangle.
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b. Replace with new flex cable
- search on eBay is the cheapest price. In my country, the price is usually half than local shop but need to wait several weeks.
- After buy the replacement, see the guide to assembling your phone above
How long will it last?
- It's various based on how often you slide it out
Prevention:
- refer to point a.1 (isolate the flex cable) might be useful
- slide it out smoothly (because every time you slide it out roughly, the flex cable being tracked)
- Never / once upon time to slide your X1 out.
2. Unreponsive keyboard
It's very easy to repair it...
[Tutorial] Cleaning X1 Keyboard (Disassemble)
NEVER! follow the threa that is started by hatlo0or, because it is just horrible for beginner and offensive word for some person.
3. Scratching Housing
There's no other way to make it as new, replacing the houding is quite cheap right now. I found that the price varies from 12 to 70 USD.
Which one to buy?
I bought 3 housing for me myself and 1 for my friend.
* I compare those, priced arround 12 USD is better built than priced arround 20 USD.
** the 12 USD is fitted well and the chrome is shinner than 20 USD, the 20 USD Priced is not fitted and quite tricky to assembling it.
*** However the arround 70 USD is the best because it's complete. The housing with 12 and 20 USD have no keyboard but the 70 USD is quite good with keyboard.
Now I am using the keyboard and backplate from the 70 USD priced housing. but for front case and rear case, I used from 12 USD priced housing. As soon as, bought a leather case to prevent it from scratching...
Update!4. Unresponsive Volume Key
Okay, it has been long time that I've been vacuum. After 2-3 years, my X1 has been so terribly damaged. Now, I'm gonna share something else to you all. I dunno know how much people will be helped by this thread since only 20 persons who give comment while 8000 eyes (2x 4000 ppl) read this. But who care? so far there's noone complain.
To be honest, I finally buy another brand new XPERIA X1 from local shop (old stock) with great price because my X1 is what I called "un-help-able"LOL. The problem is unresponsive volume key.
First time, I think it is caused by faulty button but I don't find it wrong after checking up. And after several days' analysis, I found that it is caused by something on motherboard (but I could not determine which one, someone know?). However, the solution is just put something (paper, clip with thickness less than half milimeter) over the USB port (there's a slight gap between the housing and USB port) so it will push down the USB Connector (and Mother board), for unknown reason, your volume key back to normal.
I'm surprised that there are still ones who use X1 since the only person I know using this X1 in my city is me... lol
I just love X1 unfortunately death Sony Ericsson just like White Star Line who make Titanic for becoming so weak.
Thanks for sharing and the credit ;-)
looking good, hope it will be kept up to date
stuck it for the time being
BR, DK
Great GUIDE,THX
Your information is very useful
Your information is very useful and I learnt much from it! Keep working...
Very usefull thread it helped me a lot when I was changing broken display for a new one
OnThomaz said:
It helped me a lot when I was changing broken display for a new one
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Hi! What instruments have you used to disassemble the phone and to change display? I want to change display touch sensor - mine is totally scratched.
J0hnTR said:
Hi! What instruments have you used to disassemble the phone and to change display? I want to change display touch sensor - mine is totally scratched.
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It is named aas digitizer not touch sensor.
It's tricky if you want to separate those parts.
You need only:
1. Micro- scissors (No idea how to say it in English) but razor blade is okay (I always used my husband's)
Just very careful to slide between the display and the digitizer or it might break your LCD as well.
Suggest you to search on youtube maybe there's no tutorial about how to replace X1 digitizer but there's a lot tutorial how to separate 'em on other models.
Just watch and learn from those videos. After you have courage, just try it. But I won't take any responsible for you acts. Because everyone's skill is different, I have no idea on yours. One advice from me is be patient and don't execute any acts until you are really sure on what you do.
VSJ said:
It is named aas digitizer not touch sensor.
It's tricky if you want to separate those parts.
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Wow. I knew it will be hard to disassemble Xperia X1..
And then I looked into the Disassembling Guide - it will be impossible to disassemble it at home!)
Thanks, will search for some repair center!
Wow,, thanks! Great one
Thx for the great GUIDE)
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The link to the 'component of the motherboard' is broken (goes to ad fly and no further). You can still find it under your My 4shared division of the website, from another download..
downloading now, thanks.
the_analyst said:
The link to the 'component of the motherboard' is broken (goes to ad fly and no further). You can still find it under your My 4shared division of the website, from another download..
downloading now, thanks.
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Sorry I don't know about that, I just copy paste the link from a local forum.
You may contact rx.eclair (kaskus) or russell.eclair (xda-developers) for questions about the link and so on
Fix Link
http://www.4shared.com/office/JVcaZCN8/component_of_the_motherboard.html
Here is the Component of The Motherboard of X1.
thanks for posting this.
It sucks having to dissasemble the phone to clean the keyboard every now and then. I wonder, is there anyway to prevent it from ever happening again?
Thanks for the extremely useful guide mate!
thanks as the aging X1 will surely need this.
Nice guide, but i still with the volume/keyboard problems...
Like some others, i have traced the proble to the motherboard, but i can't find the real cause... I think, it might be some cold solder or a faulty ground connection (this may explain why if you push the usb connector, the keys start to work again)
Great Job Bro
Great Job Bro!! Solved Problem with my X!
Thanks (;
Hi guys.
I have an old SE X1 lying around. The keyboard was not working properly, so I sent it in under warranty, but they sent it back saying I had physically damaged the screen, so my warranty was void.
When I got it back it wasn't even switching on, so I opened it up and found 2 small components broken off the mainboard. I don't know what they were but I've taken a photo of their locations, so if someone opens their phone, could they tell me what they were? It would also be brilliant if you could measure their values. I want to try soldering some replacements on...
I can't post the link to the image as an image, so I'll link it here:
dl.dropbox.com/u/98849791/DSC_1531.jpg
I'd love to get this thing working again, I miss it.
Thanks, Jodie.