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The best thing about Opera for me is the tabs, which is a godsend for GPRS usage. However due to the lastest version of Opera being a buggy piece of crap (worse than the beta imo), i am forced to use IE again.
I remember reading something about a program that added tabbed browsing to IE, but have forgotten what it's called. Does anyone have any idea's?
PIEPlus 2.0
are you using any other programs on the background?
Opera final has been very stable for me, it does not lock up when loading pages like the beta, doesnt have the landscape change mode bug as well.. Double spacing bug is also gone... The rendering is simply amazing and comes close to my desktop version of firefox easily! :shock:
I got my device overclocked, though (240mhz), and i dont have much else installed like themes memory-hogging apps like wisbar advance 2.
I used it for 2 days almost all the time and i was so impressed i didnt even wait for the trial to run out, i already bought it. Very very impressed with it.
spb pocket plus does it and a lot of other stuff
ftxbrowser is a free pie addon with tabs - see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=44177&highlight=
a bit old but still works and you dont have that annoying keyboard popup problem!
zeuzinn said:
are you using any other programs on the background?
Opera final has been very stable for me, it does not lock up when loading pages like the beta, doesnt have the landscape change mode bug as well.. Double spacing bug is also gone... The rendering is simply amazing and comes close to my desktop version of firefox easily! :shock:
I got my device overclocked, though (240mhz), and i dont have much else installed like themes memory-hogging apps like wisbar advance 2.
I used it for 2 days almost all the time and i was so impressed i didnt even wait for the trial to run out, i already bought it. Very very impressed with it.
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No, nothing else running. Takes 30+ seconds to load up and then constantly freezes on pages for a few seconds or just crashs. I'm not the only one either. Shame, because it does render pages much quicker than IE and copes with java better too
MultiIE v4.0.d71
MultiIE v4.0.d71 does a nice job.
http://www.multiie.info/
Hey, I was just wondering what you guys thought the best WM6 browser was. I'm currently running Picsel and besides the long page load times, it's going great. It also eats up an unhealthy amount of memory so I was wondering if anyone managed to expand the system memory. I've heard mixed opinions about different Opera versions as well as Webby so any experienced reviews on those would be awesome as well. Of course Deepfish is great but still can't get my hands on it, so oh well.
im running opera mobile 9.5 and love it, havent had a memory problem yet, and rite now there isnt a way to expand memory w/o taking the device apart
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im running opera mobile 9.5 and love it, havent had a memory problem yet, and rite now there isnt a way to expand memory w/o taking the device apart
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i tried 9.5 and it sucks on m ogul icons are so big i liked the older version
much better
opera 9.5 renders nicely, but it is slow and as the previous poster said; most icons and menu options don't work (as it's made for a VGA device).
I'd stay with Opera 8.5 which works very nicely.
im using skyfire and its been working great. havent run out of memory yet while using it. and it supports flashlite 3 so it fully works with things like youtube
Y'all must have the wrong version of Opera 9.5. There's plenty of post about it. There's a QVGA cab made, the works just fine on the Mogul.
I too use Skyfire, and it seems like the best option for pages with animation, video, sound, flash, etc.
Opera, is very nice though. I wish, it played flash and stuff like Skyfire.
I'm running both Skyfire and Netfront v3.5. Netfront seems to be a little quicker, though skyfire works pretty well, just takes some time to render the different zoom levels.
Going to have to try the latest versions of opera mini/mobile since I haven't used them in a while.
Using Skyfire and Netfront 3.5. Skyfire is great for multimedia, but doesn't seem to handle downloads yet, while Netfront 3.5 is great at downloading but is pretty disabled because it's still in the technical preview phase...I do want to try the camera-based navigation when it launches though! Haven't tried Opera in a long time.
Where do you find this Skyfire?
you have to be on a waiting list for skyfire. go to their website, skyfire.com, and you can sign up, but ive been waiting for months and havent received my invite yet. itll be a while but sign up now.
dzuchowski said:
i tried 9.5 and it sucks on m ogul icons are so big i liked the older version
much better
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you must have tried the vga version, i have the qvga and its quick and looks greaT!!
so far ive used the majoity of the versions of Opera ad i must say that the 9.5 is working great. there are a few problems but they r minor and b fixed w a few taps. as for Skyfire...i just signed up back in early april so i dont expect to get my invite for another couple months since there r ppl on here saying that theyve signed up months and months ago. btw, ive heard rumors of a web browser called "Re-vmp'd". its supposed to be an almost exact duplicate of the 3G iphone browser...no sure how accurate that info is but its worth a shot.
L8rz,
Kaz
The ipone uses a mobile version of Safari. it works well, but doesn't have flash support, so hopefully they added that in with the version that ships with the 3g iphone.
Skyfire doesn't render jack. It just pushes pre-rendered images to your phone; the faster your internet the faster skyfire is. (Also consider their server speeds etc)
I'm also pretty sure flash works the same way, it's just streaming video/audio. At least this is the feel I got based on average latencies of either technology.
It does burn ~9mb of ram though, but remains fairly constant there. It may use less on the release version after they switch out of debugging releases.
I use Safari. there is an open source port of it availale on sourceforge.net made for wm5/6
friguy33 said:
you have to be on a waiting list for skyfire. go to their website, skyfire.com, and you can sign up, but ive been waiting for months and havent received my invite yet. itll be a while but sign up now.
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"waiting list"? lol....i got it from softpedia.com (freeware download). totally legal, and publicly available. (see attachment)
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"waiting list"? lol....i got it from softpedia.com (freeware download). totally legal, and publicly available. (see attachment)
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im curious, what username and password are you using to log into the the skyfire browser. that is of course, assuming that your leet googling skills have allowed you to realize that the skyfire browser, even the one linked, is a closed beta, only available to beta testers. yes, you can download it, no you cant use it...
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im curious, what username and password are you using to log into the the skyfire browser. that is of course, assuming that your leet googling skills have allowed you to realize that the skyfire browser, even the one linked, is a closed beta, only available to beta testers. yes, you can download it, no you cant use it...
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if you signed up on their site a month or two ago, you can use the login credentials you provided then. if you didnt sign up for the beta, then yeah, you are right, the CAB is useless to you. i logged in with the credentials i supplied 3 months ago, im using it. nothing to write home about. crashes when i go to any site that has an animated GIF, lol...great browser.
As funny as this sounds I have tried many of the programs previously listed. I am back to using PIE! Not without some additional programs though.
I have a program called MultiIE that enhances PIE to allow much more in the way of options. Best about this program is that it adds TABBED browsing to PIE! And yes it works but EATS memory like candy. Downside is that its not free.
I also swear by TCPMP & FlashVideoBundle. While not full flash will at least work on YouTube and several other select sites. Best about these is the ability to download & save any YouTube videos you want.
These programs ONLY work with PIE. That's why I've stuck with it.
Yea still
There is no browser that is capable as skyfire, supports flash 7, 8, and 9. Browses faster than piscel, ie, netfront. Smoothest page navigation by far. It just lacks a few features, but keep in mind it is a beta. But I wouldn't trade it for all the other browsers. If I didn't have skyfire I would settle for netfront but it seems to eat crazy ram. You have to close it before phone is fully functional again.
I post this here and not in the General section, because I'm interested specifically about best configuration for the X1.
What is your configuration in opera:config? Any secrets or tips? How to achieve best performance? Fast, responsive and lag free Opera? How to fix the annoying crashes? Etc, etc, etc.
Anything that comes to mind peeps. Post it for the win!
Just curious - is there a reason you're using 9.5 versus 9.7?
Anyways, I changed the adaptive zoom to 480 to make verticle reading much nicer.
Under performance, I increased "the Max Connections Server" to 12-16, "Max Connections Total" to 32, and disabled "Reduce Max Persistent HTTP Connections"
Turning on "Automatic memory cache" under user prefs made Opera non responsive and crash happy.
Other than that - it runs well; hasn't crashed on me yet.
Yeah I actually use Opera 9.7 which is much superior,
besides it has a screwed upload.
In 9.7 increased possible tabs open to 5,
plus changed:
Go to "User prefs"
3) Uncheck "UAProf URL enabled" to disable mobile view
user agent
spoof user agent "2" for smalller font....
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Just curious - is there a reason you're using 9.5 versus 9.7?
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Because 9.7 sucks at the moment IMHO. It is not user friendly at all. I am not going to be a beta tester lol.
Thanks for the tips .
P.S. MORE TIPS NEEDED!!!!!!!!!
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Just curious - is there a reason you're using 9.5 versus 9.7?
Anyways, I changed the adaptive zoom to 480 to make verticle reading much nicer.
Under performance, I increased "the Max Connections Server" to 12-16, "Max Connections Total" to 32, and disabled "Reduce Max Persistent HTTP Connections"
Turning on "Automatic memory cache" under user prefs made Opera non responsive and crash happy.
Other than that - it runs well; hasn't crashed on me yet.
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Sorry to go off topic, but to you guys using 9.7b, what bugs are introduced, and what features do we lose that we had before? I'm guessing volume button zooming, and smooth touchpad scrolling are two features that get lost...unless you hack them back in.
I've always had issues when changing from the oem Opera version on past HTC devices, so that's why I'm asking, and that's why I haven't bothered to upgrade, and maybe whey orelsei hasn't either.
Back on topic, how do you get the scrolling rate to be go further/faster in Opera with each finger flick?
The biggest difference was the hardware button scrolling, but i found the overall hw acellerated scrolling more preferable. Just a personal preference.
The only bug I've noticed repeatedly is sometimes when clicking that star button for your favorites, it opens up with a scroll bar on the right. When that happens, I am unable to scroll down the list via finger - dpad only. This seems to happen when Opera is still loading a page and I suddenly click the menu tab and click favorites. (or so I've noticed)
Odd bug, if I use the HW keyboard to type in something at the address or search bars, pressing the enter key just dismisses the bar and opera switches back to full screen reading. I need to actually press the graphical button on the screen to get Opera to open the address/search I typed in. I'm not sure if that's how it's supposed to work though.
doministry's tips are cool though - I hate it when some websites insist they show you the mobile version regardless of your prefereces.
Off topic, but Opera Mini 5 is MUCH fasterif you use that turbo mode setting. It's on average +2x faster on my X1 than Opera 97b1 with Turbo mode on. I with 97b was that fast... can't have everything I guess.
So to you guys using OperaMobile 9.7:
how to set the browser to store downloads to Card?
Lately everything is stored to internal memory, even when I choose a memory card!
@orelsi
Well, you must admit with 9.5 we were also beta testers!
As for 9.5 vs 9.7, I appreciate much faster menus and less crashes
(however the flash support is still a pain...)
By using UserScript you can hide the adverts in 9.7 (and I'm guessing 9.5)
http://blog.artesea.co.uk/2009/08/ad-free-mobile-browsing.html
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So to you guys using OperaMobile 9.7:
how to set the browser to store downloads to Card?
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When you are talking about downloads .... I was trying to setup default download folder to storage card\downloads, but with no success. Every time I have to change from internal memory to storage card, then change folder for downloads. It makes me crazy Any idea how to make it automatically choose specified folder for all downloads?
Great tips and info guys! That's exactly what I meant for this thread. I guess it should be about all Opera version not 9.5 only. The more, the better .
@ doministry
I mean that 9.7 is still in beta, while 9.5 is a finished product. I have no doubt that I will change to 9.7 when the final product arrives.
@ sonus
I have noticed that the stock Opera build is the most stable one as well.
MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!
doministry said:
Yeah I actually use Opera 9.7 which is much superior,
besides it has a screwed upload.
In 9.7 increased possible tabs open to 5,
plus changed:
Go to "User prefs"
3) Uncheck "UAProf URL enabled" to disable mobile view
user agent
spoof user agent "2" for smalller font....
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Can i use my hw-keyboard everywhere with 9.7?
Can you scroll with the optical button?
btw, you can set the max number of tabs with the :config (mentioned in the first post) easily (in every version).
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Yeah I actually use Opera 9.7 which is much superior,
besides it has a screwed upload.
In 9.7 increased possible tabs open to 5,
plus changed:
Go to "User prefs"
3) Uncheck "UAProf URL enabled" to disable mobile view
user agent
spoof user agent "2" for smalller font....
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How did you get 5 tabs available on Opera 9.7? I still can only open 3.
Looks like I found it.
Opera:Config > User Pref > Maximum Allowed Tabs > 10
I can open 10 tabs now! Not that I will need it though, but cool nonetheless.
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How did you get 5 tabs available on Opera 9.7? I still can only open 3.
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In any and every version of Opera (even the desktop version) type Opera:config in the address bar, and you'll get the option to edit just about anything you could ever desire, including the max tab number. Do a search for tabs in the Quick Find that comes up, and you'll see what you can edit as far as tabs go. FYI, a restart of Opera might be required to have changes go into effect (I don't recall, since its been a while since I toyed with the config setting).
Anyone tried Opera 9.7 build 35432 or 35443?
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Can i use my hw-keyboard everywhere with 9.7?
Can you scroll with the optical button?
btw, you can set the max number of tabs with the :config (mentioned in the first post) easily (in every version).
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You can use hw-keyboard everywhere.
Scrolling - I don't know, never tried it really,
but as I remember it scrolls through links...
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Yep, the srolling goes through links..
@orelsi
LOL, Opera Mobile 9.5 was never a finished product!
It was also always beta!
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You can use hw-keyboard everywhere.
Scrolling - I don't know, never tried it really,
but as I remember it scrolls through links...
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Thanks doministry,
so i'll give it another shot.
Although I like the "normal" scrolling with the O-Button.
Is the D-Pad doing a "normal" scroll then or is it jumping from link to link as well?
I'm asking because I customized my 9.5 build a lot and now (sort of) migrating to 9.7 is just a pure hassle if it doesn't work the way I like it in the end.
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Thanks doministry,
so i'll give it another shot.
Although I like the "normal" scrolling with the O-Button.
Is the D-Pad doing a "normal" scroll then or is it jumping from link to link as well?
I'm asking because I customized my 9.5 build a lot and now (sort of) migrating to 9.7 is just a pure hassle if it doesn't work the way I like it in the end.
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No there's no "normal" scroll here.
I use 9.7 'cos it's waaaay faster in UI/menus.
And less crashing than 9.5.
The ony single reason why I still use 9.5 sometimes
is the upload photos on my blog.....
Honestly can't wait to see a final
with hopefuly Flash 10.1 there.
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I did, I cooked them in my rom but both are giving problems with the hardware keyboard.
doministry said:
No there's no "normal" scroll here.
I use 9.7 'cos it's waaaay faster in UI/menus.
And less crashing than 9.5.
The ony single reason why I still use 9.5 sometimes
is the upload photos on my blog.....
Honestly can't wait to see a final
with hopefuly Flash 10.1 there.
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My 9.5 (16702) stopped crashing after I ran the "fixOperaFlash.exe".
And can display all webpages PIE can, but much faster.
Only thing is hw-keyborad is not working in forms (in opera ui it does, dunno why).
But no "normal" and therefor fast scrolling (9.7) s*cks as well IMHO.
I'm not using the opera UI/menus very often.
having to flick between 4 different browsers on my phone as not one of thems really any good....
opera 10: looks nice and sharp, quick but is well and truely let down with the default screen image size and zoom options, no pinch to zoom and vids wont play.....useless
opera 9.7: looks good with nice default screen size. has pinch to zoom but is pretty dreadfull to use, you do the finger motion and you end up nowhere near where you need to be. again, vids wont play.....useless
skyfire: looks ok but its pretty jittery and nowhere near as fast as opera. no pinch to zoom and the zooming options are nothing to write about but at least it plays vids.
ie: hardly ever use this one as its so slow.
appart from browsing i think the phone is pretty sweet, its just a real shame using the internet is (for me) becoming a pain. whats your thoughts guys....?
I think Opera Mobile is amazing. I couldn't fault it in any way. Why does everyone complain about no pinch to zoom when a swift double tap works better.
with Opera 10 you only have to tap once to zoom in!
its so smooth, the scrolling is as smooth as butter and its so fast.
sure not playing flash is a pain, but its not essential, especially if youre complaning that you cant watch youtube on your browser when youve got an app for just that
Opera is gorgeous, fast, so fast... and completely flawless.
I'm using the 9.7 build that comes standard on the T-Mobile USA model. I also tweaked tons of the Opera cache settings, page loading, thumbnail, and zooming functions as well.
I think your alone on this one bud.
opera is badass by its self. opera 10 is freakin sweet.
btw ... why so many complaints about a sweet ass phone?
each to their own bud. its just a useful feature. on opera 10, when i tap to zoom its still sometimes hard to hit links or page numbers as it still too small. altering the zoom is hit an miss as if you make the zoom bigger it ends up too large for the screen. if i had pinch to zoom could make links and what not just a bit bigger.
i dont like the fact i cant play youtube vids on opera either, my phone from 3 years ago could do it........
opera 10 runs very slick but has major flaws, just my opinion.
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Opera is gorgeous, fast, so fast... and completely flawless.
I'm using the 9.7 build that comes standard on the T-Mobile USA model. I also tweaked tons of the Opera cache settings, page loading, thumbnail, and zooming functions as well.
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can you say what you have done tweak wise? i never seem to get a browsing experience to match my mates iphone...which im sure you can understand is annoying
IE seems pretty damn fast to me. I accidentally made it default and was shocked at how usable it was.
Opera 9.7 - not jittery, but i never use the pinch to zoom...ever. but I do use it because it launches and runs more snappily for a quick browse. it's lighter in resources.
Mobile 10 - my default. it takes longer to load than 9.7 and no pinch, but flash plugin works, double tap to zoom with reflow usually works. rendering good. fast, speedy. and page rendering without checkered boxes as in 9.7 or IE. Fab. Not perfect, but pretty damn good.
Never even needed to install skyfire after mobile10.
Why not try iphone instead? Or Android? I hear their browsers are even better
Just remember, technology is always work in progress. No browser, even on the desktop, is perfect. And I'm surprised they ALL work as well as they do on winmo - browsing is better on winmo than iphone and android. That was one reason that swayed me to winmo.
What do you suppose the better alternative is?
The iPhone browser?
I have an iPhone and its browser has nothing on Opera 10...even with pinch to zoom.
At least you have options. Flash isn't even an option on the iPhone!
I guess that I'm in the minority but I like IE best. The zoom on the Opera just isn't as easy to use as IE's slider control but maybe I just havn't used Opera enough. I also have an iPhone 3GS and while I like the browser and touchscreen response better, in every other category the HD2 wins hands down.
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having to flick between 4 different browsers on my phone as not one of thems really any good....
opera 10: looks nice and sharp, quick but is well and truely let down with the default screen image size and zoom options, no pinch to zoom and vids wont play.....useless
opera 9.7: looks good with nice default screen size. has pinch to zoom but is pretty dreadfull to use, you do the finger motion and you end up nowhere near where you need to be. again, vids wont play.....useless
skyfire: looks ok but its pretty jittery and nowhere near as fast as opera. no pinch to zoom and the zooming options are nothing to write about but at least it plays vids.
ie: hardly ever use this one as its so slow.
appart from browsing i think the phone is pretty sweet, its just a real shame using the internet is (for me) becoming a pain. whats your thoughts guys....?
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are you using the Latest Stock WWE 1.66 ROM
Opera Browsing here is second to none!
Maybe Opera Mini 5 is a good choice for you. Blazing fast, though no flash.
BTW: Opera Mobile 10 does support flash: settings - enable plugins - ready and IE also, to a certain extent, supports flash.
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are you using the Latest Stock WWE 1.66 ROM
Opera Browsing here is second to none!
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yeah im using the latest rom bud. dont get me wrong, opera 10 is very fast and slick but just seems set up wrong for the screen size.if there was a zoom slider like in ie that would be sound enough. as it is, opera10 seems unfinished. also, not been able to view embedded videos on most sites is just complete madness. I know some people are saying "well hd2 already has a decent youtube app, use that", but what goods that when the video I might wanna watch is embedded in a page that wont allow me to view it....?. it all just seems like such a wasted opportunity on such a quality device. its the phones biggest downfall which is mad given this screen was made for viewing the internet on.......
IE is the only one (other than skyfire but that looks rubbish) that plays flash videos on site like bbc news, so I'm always switching between using Opera 10 for speed and IE for video.
Count yourself lucky that you can install whatever browser you want on WM, Apple still hasnt approved Opera mini on the ****phone
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IE is the only one (other than skyfire but that looks rubbish) that plays flash videos on site like bbc news, so I'm always switching between using Opera 10 for speed and IE for video.
Count yourself lucky that you can install whatever browser you want on WM, Apple still hasnt approved Opera mini on the ****phone
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yeah its pretty good that you can install other browsers, its just a pity the fastest and best looking one doesn't function that well. hey, these are just my opinions guys and im happy your happy with it lol.......
Opera Mobile seems to have an update. I installed it, but it didn't fully replace the pre-installed Opera 9. What's the deal with this new version? Is TP2 fully supported? Are most of you using 9 or 10?
opera10
Yes in opera mobile10 it has 2 key features. It features opera turbo which makes pages load faster and it features flash so you can play youtube and other flash videos
zarpy said:
Yes in opera mobile10 it has 2 key features. It features opera turbo which makes pages load faster and it features flash so you can play youtube and other flash videos
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thanks. did you fully uninstall (or try to?? is it possible?) Opera 9, first? Opera 9 seems to be pretty heavily integrated with Sense/TFlo. My booksmarks in the internet tab would still open with 9?
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the main differences between 10 and 9 is that 10 will use up so much of your memory that it will force wm to close just about all other programs. if you use any rendition of htc sense you will hover around 80 to 90 percent consumed memory with opera 10 (people will say thats not true but i have tried 10 along with every memory saving tweak out there on two phones and they are wrong). it is also slower... again people will deny this, but again it is true. Its features and UI are much better than 9 but the trade off is not worth it.
Installing Opera 10 doesn't (and can't) uninstall 9, and neither can you...it's baked in to the factory ROM
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Installing Opera 10 doesn't (and can't) uninstall 9, and neither can you...it's baked in to the factory ROM
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Well, crap!
removal
Ok you want to take it all off and restart do these steps
1) delete opera mobile from storage card / your not finished yet
2) go to settings / go to system / go to remove programs
3) highlight opera mobile and remove it
Ok now its gone bye bye zarpy style.... Now download the version you want and enjoy