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HI,
is it possible to install windows in htc hero instead of android soft. I tried to search but couldnt find anything thanks
BR Sherry
may i ask you why you want to do that???
I think he is just curious to know
yes someone was saying its possible and wanna know if yes or not if yes can anyone explain how?
br
there is even an easier way to get windows mobile OS: buy a WM Device!
Really a HTC Touch Diamond 2 has basically the exact same Hardware other than the touchscreen which is resistive.
Wanting to flash your android device with WM is as strange as the currently release WM Theme for android.
People are buying android devices to get rid of the old stuff (wm 6-6.5) why on earth would they want to install a WM Theme?!
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
there is even an easier way to get windows mobile OS: buy a WM Device!
Really a HTC Touch Diamond 2 has basically the exact same Hardware other than the touchscreen which is resistive.
Wanting to flash your android device with WM is as strange as the currently release WM Theme for android.
People are buying android devices to get rid of the old stuff (wm 6-6.5) why on earth would they want to install a WM Theme?!
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i agree, it´s like to buy a dog and want to make a cat out of it
but anyway i´m sorry i haven´t seen a method/tutorial how to make this
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
there is even an easier way to get windows mobile OS: buy a WM Device!
Really a HTC Touch Diamond 2 has basically the exact same Hardware other than the touchscreen which is resistive.
Wanting to flash your android device with WM is as strange as the currently release WM Theme for android.
People are buying android devices to get rid of the old stuff (wm 6-6.5) why on earth would they want to install a WM Theme?!
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thanks for ur reply but still it doesn answer wt I asked
br
Almost every people here is against windows mobile, so I don't think you will obtain an answer, sorry.
Lots of thread were started asking to run windows on these phones (sapphire and dream) and they always ended up wit people saying this is a stupid question.
My opinion is that it would be interesting, such as dual booting in your home PC.
I really wanted to get rid of wm because it stinks. it is slow i have to SR almost everyday it crashed etc. etc.
but now i'm using android my phone works great fast responsive. never needed to restart the phone and its on.
why trading the good stuff for the bad stuff. i used wM/Windows for years and i was never pleased with it now i'm using linux (on pc/hero) and its great IT WORKS so why would you wanna use wm.
youre question technically it would be possible the wm phones have the same hardware. but i think noone succeeded to install wm or viceversa. wm phones can start android but doens't work 100% and when the phone goes off they loose the data
Rather than just bashing WM (which of course I could do) I will state facts.
Android has been hacked to work on WM phones, such as the Vogue, Kaiser, Polaris, Raphael, Diamond, etc. This has been possible because Android is a UI that runs on top of Linux. Linux and Android both being open source, we have the program code for the entire OS at our disposal to change around, hack drivers, and make work on non-Android hardware.
Windows Mobile is (almost) entirely closed-source. This will make it pretty much impossible to run on a phone that it's not licensed to work on. Microsoft and HTC would have to both agree to running WM on the Hero before you'd see that happen.
EDIT: @commodoor: Yes, the hardware appears to be the same, ie. the same chips, but there will be intricate differences like memory addresses, IRQ's etc that would make this darn near impossible to achieve.
Just my tuppence worth...
I thought with the Hero having a capacitive screen that it wouldn't be able to run Windows... Thought the OS was limited to resistive screens... or am I wrong?
faisal_sherry said:
HI,
is it possible to install windows in htc hero instead of android soft. I tried to search but couldnt find anything thanks
BR Sherry
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Nothing against the poster of the above but REALLY? Putting WM on the Hero seems like the most EPIC FAIL of all time. (I wish we had a facepalm smiley to put in here).
But constructively - from what I understand, putting Android on a WM device is relatively easy (for someone with the knowledge, patience and experience) but putting WM on an Android device is almost impossible.
Technically it would be possible to do... if HTC have drivers for WinMo to talk to the Hero hardware and Microsoft gave HTC a license to put it on the phone... but that ain't gonna happen any day soon.
But then again there exists a whole lot of skilled hackers that can make any toaster run whatever they want it to run... But then again WinMo is closed source. And the skilled hackers don't know how to make any drivers.
And WinMo is a really boring OS. I have an old HTC TyTN (the first one) with WinMo 6 Pro on it. It was really boring to use since the market for that phone was the business people and I am not a business-minded human. I wanted a little more flexibility and a nicer UI to configure the way I want it.
Android + HTC's Sense UI (actually TouchFLO) is giving me that kind of freedom.
Oh... sorry for going really offtopic on this one.
To give you the short answer to the original poster; no you can't. Theoretically yes. Feasible... no.
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people have given answers.....and ill close before a flame war starts.
thank you
Hi,
in all the Reports about the HD2 they allways say "Multitouch" but i was not able to find out, how many touches at the same time the HD2 can recognize.
Is there anyone who has an answer for me?
greetz
virtually unlimited.
so is there an application around which uses more then two right now?
So far I've only seen dualtouch on HD2. But it might be capable of more than just dualtouch..
LOL
Physically the hardware may be unlimited but WM 6.5 can only support 1 touch!!!
HTC worked around this for the PZ in Sense, but there is no native support for multitouch at all.
WM7 Should do though so keep waiting and hoping..............
i see! thanks for that!
hopefully microsoft and htc will hear our prayers!
That is not entirely true. WM6 might not support multitouch officially. That does not mean HTC does not use it's own extensions. It does.
You must enable multitouch for each application in similar way as rotate (there is white list in registry). Then new events are sent to the window, which allows you to use more 'cursors' at the same time. Of course application must be made to support that. I've seen some demo (which only showed 2 cursors actually), and there was documentation too, unfortunately I can't remember where it was.
"Windows Mobile 6.5.3 brings a more finger-friendly user interface with several new ease of use features such as support for multitouch"
quote from wiki.
so the question is, whether there is native api for multi-touch (and not using HTC ZOOM_IN or whatever messages)
couldn't find any more info
flunik said:
"Windows Mobile 6.5.3 brings a more finger-friendly user interface with several new ease of use features such as support for multitouch"
quote from wiki.
so the question is, whether there is native api for multi-touch (and not using HTC ZOOM_IN or whatever messages)
couldn't find any more info
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I think they mean Windows Phone 7. As far a I know there isn't any native support for multitouch in WM 6.5.3 The multi-touch features are implemented in a special OEM driver. (But then again, 6.5.3 is a OEM branch, right?)
appelflap said:
I think they mean Windows Phone 7. As far a I know there isn't any native support for multitouch in WM 6.5.3 The multi-touch features are implemented in a special OEM driver. (But then again, 6.5.3 is a OEM branch, right?)
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i mean 6.5.3
just google "windows mobile 6.5.3 multi touch" everyone's just shouting about the native multi-touch support and capacitative screens.
i'm gonna try to download 6.5.3 DTK for VS.
probably there are sample of new API.
"electronista.com" says "Hooks have also been put in place for multi-touch, though this would still need phone builders to have an actual solution"
flunik said:
i mean 6.5.3
just google "windows mobile 6.5.3 multi touch" everyone's just shouting about the native multi-touch support and capacitative screens.
i'm gonna try to download 6.5.3 DTK for VS.
probably there are sample of new API.
"electronista.com" says "Hooks have also been put in place for multi-touch, though this would still need phone builders to have an actual solution"
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I think you are right that there a native api support for multitouch gestures: look at this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591698 (There's no import of any additional package required)
EDIT: hold on, this was written for WM 6.5 if I can remember it well. So..
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I think you are right that there a native api support for multitouch gestures: look at this:
(There's no import of any additional package required)
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the post is 29th November 2009. the solution from l3v5y works on WinMo 6.5.0 (currently i have 6.5.0) so i guess it's also some kind of hack(non native).
also these solutions (also scillors) have some weird bug: when 2 points are almost on the same axis, you get them aligned.
i don't know if that's the driver or hardware issue.
both solutions by l3v5y and scillor are based on HTC drivers as i see.
flunik said:
the post is 29th November 2009. the solution from l3v5y works on WinMo 6.5.0 (currently i have 6.5.0) so i guess it's also some kind of hack(non native).
also these solutions (also scillors) have some weird bug: when 2 points are almost on the same axis, you get them aligned.
i don't know if that's the driver or hardware issue.
both solutions by l3v5y and scillor are based on HTC drivers as i see.
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Ok, I'm getting pretty curious myself. I've browsed through the windows mobile docs on MSDN, browsed through the forums there, did a search on multitouch, but I really can't find anything. The only thing I could find was something about "gesture api's". But these were already implemented in the 6.5 sdk.
So, if you are finding something on this please let me know
(and you are right, when you do a search on 6.5.3 and multitouch on google you get plenty hits about it. The first hit is your first post by the way... lol )
appelflap said:
Ok, I'm getting pretty curious myself. I've browsed through the windows mobile docs on MSDN, browsed through the forums there, did a search on , but I really can't find anything. The only thing I could find was something about "gesture api's". But these were already implemented in the 6.5 sdk.
So, if you are finding something on this please let me know
(and you are right, when you do a search on 6.5.3 and multitouch on google you get plenty hits about it. The first hit is your first post by the way... lol )
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its 6'th to me (rofl) that's some great SEO
just downloaded WM 6.0 SDK, and 6.5.3 DTK...
it seems that the gesture api got expanded or whatever...
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seems we'll have to wait for SDK :>
the easiest way to try, would be to reflash my hd2 with winmo 6.5.3 and catch messages, and see if they differ somehow..
i've just read about sdk that allow smartphone with windows mobile and resistive screen to have multi-touch.
now the question:
is there a similar project for android device like tattoo?
rossonero92 said:
i've just read about sdk that allow smartphone with windows mobile and resistive screen to have multi-touch.
now the question:
is there a similar project for android device like tattoo?
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ralle.gade is currently working on including this in his kernel for Kiljacken's ROM
No,
ralle.gade don't work with MT now, becouse we have to wait when Wildfire kernel releases..
i see
i wish it comes fast
it isn't a real MT.. just emulating it thrugh the sw.
a real multi-touch is impossible and I think is very hard dev a software to do it..
we'd need a "hook" (maybe a "+" on the screen) to hang the position of the finger and then do the second move to do something (like rotate images..)
Wikipedia says resisting screens can support multi touch along with this reference
www.umpcportal.com/2009/02/multi-touch-comes-to-resistive-touchscreens/
I've even found that this company 'stantum' is also developing multi touch for resistive screens
i.engadget.com/2009/02/19/stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/
It basically requires the device to understand the position of both fingers along the XY coordinates and then process them accordingly.
Sent from my HTC Tattoo using XDA App
any news about MT?
hello man, the problem is that the screen hw tattoo is kind of capability, and is a hardware limitation to not support multitouch,
you could try to emulate it via sw but from what my experience is of counsel to give up, too much work for an outcome that would at most just enough
... and that is why tattoo is so cheap
I've just bought another HTC HD2 had the power supply on the old one packed up and I can only charge the batteries ( I have 4 now) out of the phone, I've previously installed the Energy Rom and it was working brilliantly with its 16 gig microSd card and Tomtom installed.
My question is, there are links here to HOW TO INSTALL WP7 to HTC HD2, even I can follow them BUT, can I use my old apps "6.5" in the new WP7 OS, I'm not sure if its worth changing to WP7 if the old apps wont work like Skype and such.
Thanks in advance.
Rikki.
No, it's bit like asking if you can run iPhone apps on WM6.5 - just can't be done unfortunately.
Thx alot....
I was hoping that some apps were backwardly compatible, but I guess not.
Thanks again, I might play around on the phone thats being returned, it wont matter if I brick it lol.
Sadly not. There are some that have been recreated for WP7 but there is such a disparity in the underlying software architectures that porting just ain't gonna happen...unless someone writes an emulator.
But half of the fun of WP7 is playing with the new apps, some of which are quite sexy and a big step on from WM6.5.
^Maybe but i dont have igo primo for wp7? anyway is there any app for wp7 like igo ?
things are moving fast,every thing is possible but as mentioned above WP7 is made to be the new face for Microsoft and the past is past.
as for emulator, it could be the right answer.
but i don't think it would be for the HD2 and HD7 in their current hardware versions.
metko said:
^Maybe but i dont have igo primo for wp7? anyway is there any app for wp7 like igo ?
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If you live in Europe then you can try Navigon Select. Pretty basic but does the job quite well and has the same map source as iGo
For the USA there is a free sat nav software in the Marketplace called A-to-B. This app has european maps (at least for my country quite good ones!), but turn by turn is US only for the moment. European voice guidance is coming soon.
I recall reading that WP7 is based on Windows CE 6.0 (R2, I think). I've also read of GPS devices with CE6 that run some CE5.x apps (after unlocking). In fact, no CE version has ever broken compatibility with previous versions. What usually gets in the way is the layer on top of CE: Windows Mobile before and WP7 now. With WM, problems attempting to run an app in a different version than it was designed for are usually due to 1) version checks during installation failing, 2) version checks at runtime failing, and 3) missing DLLs. I have a lot of experience with overcoming all three in order to get WM apps running on plain CE devices (like GPS devices), so, once I install WP7 on my HD2, I'll see what I can do. Microsoft has made a lot of changes to WP7 to cripple the underlying OS (ex. CE6 supports multitasking), so they may have removed or implemented something that I'm not aware of to lock the phone down and purposely break compatibility (afterall, if WM apps can be made to run, it'd undo what they're trying to accomplish, security-wise), but I'll give it a shot.
there is nothing to stop us having 6.5 apps run on here, both software and hardware are compatible BUT WP7 doesnt use the same set of APIs, so WM6.5 programs would need to be reprogramed (mostly around the UI and hardware interface) to work, of course if they were going to do that then they may as well just write a native program.
This also would mean your phone would need to be unlocked, soooo unless someone developes an emulation layer as a go between you'll not get them working im afraid.