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CDMA/US?

I've been hoping to grab this phone, but I'm currently with Telus Mobility in Canada for another 2.5 years.
I know they run a CDMA network, and a 3G+ network, and if I'm correct, the 3G+ network is UMTS 850/1900:
http://www.telusmobility.com/en/BC/network/about.shtml
If that's correct, would this HTC HD2 work for me?
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
I'm not 100% sure of my knowledge of mobile technologies/frequencies, so I just figured I'd check with experts. I have a CDMA HTC Touch Pro 2, which doesn't work on the Telus 3G+ network -- presumably -- because it only supports UMTS 2100.
As an aside, is there going to be a CDMA version of this phone?

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Is anyone out there?

In a word, no it will not work on either the 3G frequencies that you want or on CDMA. The HD2 is a GSM only device, although it is Quad band. The 3G data frequencies are specific to T-Mobile in the USA (1700/2100).

rericson said:
In a word, no it will not work on either the 3G frequencies that you want or on CDMA. The HD2 is a GSM only device, although it is Quad band. The 3G data frequencies are specific to T-Mobile in the USA (1700/2100).
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I understand that the upcoming HTC HD2 US version will not work on CDMA, however, Telus' network is apparently a UMTS 850/1900 network, in addition to being a CDMA network:
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When I looked at the spec sheet for the upcoming HTC HD2 US version, I noticed that it supports:
Being sufficiently encouraged by this, I decided to cross-reference other phones that I knew operated on the Telus network (namely the BlackBerry Bold 9700, iPhone 3GS, and HTC Hero) for the frequencies/technologies that they used/supported, and what I found was encouraging: Quad-band GSM (850/900/1800/1900) and UMTS 850/1900 were the only things the devices on Telus' 3G+ network had in common, and they also had this in common with the HTC HD2 US version:
BlackBerry Bold 9700:
iPhone 3GS:
HTC Hero:
So I decided to post here, asking if this would work...
...but, if you'd actually read/followed the links in the OP, you'd know this...

PDAdb.net is wrong. There's no such thing as 850/1900 UMTS HD2 in the US. If you do a search, you can find more explanation on this.

lude219 said:
PDAdb.net is wrong. There's no such thing as 850/1900 UMTS HD2 in the US. If you do a search, you can find more explanation on this.
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You say "[t]here's" which is a contraction of "there is", and "is" is present tense.
I'm just doing research ahead of time, so I'm ready when (if?) this is released.
I have seen in places other than PDAdb.net that the HTC HD2 is coming to the US/NA in Q1 2010, so March seems plausible to me...
...maybe you could link something that refutes this?

The only HD2 coming to the US in March is the TMobile version (1700/2100). Feel free to go and fetch me another source that states a 850/1900 UMTS other than that trash site you keep on citing.
PDAdb.net also states that there's a HD2 without 3G radio...you buy that also? ( http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2174&c=htc_hd2_gsm_htc_leo )
I'll be waiting for your alternate source.

lude219 said:
The only HD2 coming to the US in March is the TMobile version (1700/2100). Feel free to go and fetch me another source that states a 850/1900 UMTS other than that trash site you keep on citing.
PDAdb.net also states that there's a HD2 without 3G radio...you buy that also? ( http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2174&c=htc_hd2_gsm_htc_leo )
I'll be waiting for your alternate source.
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So then, what is a Telus customer's options for obtaining and using an HTC HD2?

Spike15 said:
So then, what is a Telus customer's options for obtaining and using an HTC HD2?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596339
..I don't really know much about Telus CDMA/UMTS deal. So check out the link and come up with your own conclusion.

lude219 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596339
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Before I go any further I would like to give you a thank-you. 100% non-sarcastic. I am a forum veteran, I know how annoying it can be to have people just asking questions that you think should be obvious, but I'm also an enthusiast who likes to hop between nerdy enthusiasms, and therefore it's nice to have a thread or two where I can ask questions and get personalized responses, rather than wading through information trying to sort through confusing data on my own.
I do try and search these things, but up until recently the CDMA/GSM/UMTS thing totally eluded me, and Telus doesn't really help...they're very vague describing how their "3G+" network operates.
Thank-you for a link.
That said, the Telus network is UMTS 850/1900, and the Telstra one (according to this) is UMTS 850/2100.
I have been looking over that thread...I see people rejoicing about AT&T (which uses the same bands as Telus), so I'm assuming I'm missing something...
...I just want to be absolutely sure/clear.
Thanks.
: )

Spike15 said:
Before I go any further I would like to give you a thank-you. 100% non-sarcastic. I am a forum veteran, I know how annoying it can be to have people just asking questions that you think should be obvious, but I'm also an enthusiast who likes to hop between nerdy enthusiasms, and therefore it's nice to have a thread or two where I can ask questions and get personalized responses, rather than wading through information trying to sort through confusing data on my own.
I do try and search these things, but up until recently the CDMA/GSM/UMTS thing totally eluded me, and Telus doesn't really help...they're very vague describing how their "3G+" network operates.
Thank-you for a link.
That said, the Telus network is UMTS 850/1900, and the Telstra one (according to this) is UMTS 850/2100.
I have been looking over that thread...I see people rejoicing about AT&T (which uses the same bands as Telus), so I'm assuming I'm missing something...
...I just want to be absolutely sure/clear.
Thanks.
: )
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No, thank YOU for actually do some research before asking...unlike some of the people here who would just write a few words regarding something when the answer is somewhere on the first page. Now, like i said before, I'm not too much familiar with Telus or what kind of network they're running (CDMA\GSM) exactly, but if you say they run on UMTS (and not CDMA) 850/1900, then it should work with the Telstra version. Even though the Telstra is 850/2100, AT&T only needs one of those bands in order to have 3G...and since the Telstra has 850mhz band, it will work with AT&T (and possibly with Telus if all it really needs is a single band to operate on 3G).

lude219 said:
No, thank YOU for actually do some research before asking...unlike some of the people here who would just write a few words regarding something when the answer is somewhere on the first page. Now, like i said before, I'm not too much familiar with Telus or what kind of network they're running (CDMA\GSM) exactly, but if you say they run on UMTS (and not CDMA) 850/1900, then it should work with the Telstra version. Even though the Telstra is 850/2100, AT&T only needs one of those bands in order to have 3G...and since the Telstra has 850mhz band, it will work with AT&T (and possibly with Telus if all it really needs is a single band to operate on 3G).
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Thanks for this.
I've posted my question in the thread about the Telstra HD2, and I'll be calling Telus later today.
If anyone else has insight into this matter, please post!

I phone Telus and according to the guy I talked to it'll work just supporting UMTS 850...
...could use some further encouragement/confirmation however...

Galaxy Note Teardown (pic heavy) with proof of T-mobile US Support!

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and a video teardown for good measure.
so, what about this T-mobile 3G nonsense?
in November 2011 Skyworks announced that they would be providing their Multimode, Multiband (MMMB) power amplifier modules. in their press release they discussed two different chips the Skyworks SKY77606 and the SKY77604. for our purposes here the only difference we need to worry about is the SKY77604 support's T-mo's 3G and the 77606 does not. up until now nobody knew which of the two chips the Note was using in it. you can find the press release Here
if you can't see which one i'm talking about
it's hard to see. but the number on the top row says SKY77604. all we need now is the proper Modem/software modifications to enable 3G.
big thanks to XDA.cn for doing the teardown. you can find the original pictures here. Clicky
you can find detailed schematics and information for the SKY77604 here Clicky

There's a couple important points from that Skyworks page.
"This functionality covers multiple bands for 3GPP including bands I, II, IV, IX, X, V, VIII."
"The module is fully programmable through a Serial Peripheral Interface (SPI). "
For an exaplanation of bands, for those who need to become familar. Band I = 2100 MHz, Band IV = 1700 MHz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
The part about "fully programmable" through SPI is encouraging if Samsung doesn't already take care of T-Mobile support.

StarTAC Fan said:
There's a couple important points from that Skyworks page.
"This functionality covers multiple bands for 3GPP including bands I, II, IV, IX, X, V, VIII."
"The module is fully programmable through a Serial Peripheral Interface (SPI). "
For an exaplanation of bands, for those who need to become familar. Band I = 2100 MHz, Band IV = 1700 MHz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
The part about "fully programmable" through SPI is encouraging if Samsung doesn't already take care of T-Mobile support.
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even if/when T-mobile decides to bring the Galaxy Note to the US it will probably end up with a Snapdragon chipset in it to further push the '42mbps' phone thing.

I don't understand that part about why the CPU needs to be nerfed in order to achieve a higher bandwidth.
In any case, the point here is that T Mobile doesn't need to retail the GNote. You provided evidence that currently shipping model is theoretically enabled for use on T-Mobile. Or is that the point?

Yes that was the point the hardware is capable of running TMO 1700/2100, so that said, The real problem is figuring which radio modem that can be adapted (ported) to the Note so it will recognize those bands and use them correctly.
Of Course... that is........ nothing else is needed. But this is all good news

oka1 said:
Yes that was the point the hardware is capable of running TMO 1700/2100, so that said, The real problem is figuring which radio modem that can be adapted (ported) to the Note so it will recognize those bands and use them correctly.
Of Course... that is........ nothing else is needed. But this is all good news
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you cannot just copy any radio.img and enable t-mobile bands. the radio and ril will need to be reverse engineered for it to work.

i suspect the Meizu Mx also uses the SKY77604, trying to hunt down the Modem from that now to see if we can learn anything. (it has Pentaband 3G enabled)

WANT GALAXY NOTE ON T-MOBILE FTLOG
thats FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... I swear I said somewhere Ill put $20 on whoever can get that happening... no its not alot, but enough people put in and it will add up... besides, how can I afford the thing If I am paying out the arse for the bounty

tids2k said:
you cannot just copy any radio.img and enable t-mobile bands. the radio and ril will need to be reverse engineered for it to work.
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Of course, I was not saying that, but for sake of discussion here, in simple terms having something that is compatible and similar will take a lot of the reverse engineering experimentation and guess work off the table....... ergo not starting from zero.
It would be WAY easier if Samsung would just release that part of the code necessary for us to work off of.......... but I will file that wish with my chances of winning the lottery

Hammerfest said:
WANT GALAXY NOTE ON T-MOBILE FTLOG
thats FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... I swear I said somewhere Ill put $20 on whoever can get that happening... no its not alot, but enough people put in and it will add up... besides, how can I afford the thing If I am paying out the arse for the bounty
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+1 !!! WE ALL DO I have emailed Samsung John , Ann and all the others I know...and only get no-information happy talk

Hammerfest said:
WANT GALAXY NOTE ON T-MOBILE FTLOG
thats FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... I swear I said somewhere Ill put $20 on whoever can get that happening... no its not alot, but enough people put in and it will add up... besides, how can I afford the thing If I am paying out the arse for the bounty
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Ill put $50 down for T-Mobile!
Sent from my Beastly SGS2!

please, my LTE enabled Kor. Version Galaxy Note is miserably connecting to T-Mobile EDGE only....

rootuser11 said:
please, my LTE enabled Kor. Version Galaxy Note is miserably connecting to T-Mobile EDGE only....
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the korean Galaxy Note has a snapdragon chipset right? if so nothing going on in here will apply to that. since i can't imagine it uses the same power amplifier.
best you can do is try to flash a T989 (T-mo US SGS II) modem and see if that makes a difference. i can't imagine it will work though.
can you try dialing *#2263# from your main dialer and take a screen shot of what shows up under WCDMA bands?

Man if we get T-Mo and Pentaband support on this phone I may just have to sell my GSM nexus.

duowing said:
Man if we get T-Mo and Pentaband support on this phone I may just have to sell my GSM nexus.
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right now everything is in place, just need to attract some Dev attention to get working on it. i'm reaching out to everyone i have connections to in an attempt to draw as much attention to this as possible.

crazy talk said:
the korean Galaxy Note has a snapdragon chipset right? if so nothing going on in here will apply to that. since i can't imagine it uses the same power amplifier.
best you can do is try to flash a T989 (T-mo US SGS II) modem and see if that makes a difference. i can't imagine it will work though.
can you try dialing *#2263# from your main dialer and take a screen shot of what shows up under WCDMA bands?
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that code does not work on my note.
*#1234# works but shows nothing to do with modem.
and before that, i wish someone helps me with rooting this one.
if anything, it seems similar to Skyrocket, but to flash or anything, i need root access first, right?
zergRush does not work.

I've been waiting for some kind of update for the Galaxy note and this is good news

Don't say i never did anything for the community. here's your smoking gun.

crazy talk said:
Don't say i never did anything for the community. here's your smoking gun.
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It would suck if despite that, 3G still eventually never works on T-Mobile due to a lack of developers getting this phone. I won't hold my breath though.

Geez, I wish this would work with the T-Mobile spectrum! I'm willing also to anti up $20 for the bounty!
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Identifying UK Atrix

Does anyone have a way of identifying whether an Atrix is UK or US? Both have the MB860 model number, right? I am trying to acquire a second hand UK model from eBay to replace my aging HTC Desire but two sellers I have contacted have asked how they can tell. Neither has the box or manuals. Am I right in thinking the UK version is simply called "Atrix" and the US is the "Atrix 4G"? Is there a way of telling which the phone is on the phone itself (e.g. something in the "About Phone" section perhaps?
I want to make sure I have WCDMA 900
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I think the one of the codes under the battery may contain a batch number or country number
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gordonthegopher said:
Does anyone have a way of identifying whether an Atrix is UK or US? Both have the MB860 model number, right? I am trying to acquire a second hand UK model from eBay to replace my aging HTC Desire but two sellers I have contacted have asked how they can tell. Neither has the box or manuals. Am I right in thinking the UK version is simply called "Atrix" and the US is the "Atrix 4G"? Is there a way of telling which the phone is on the phone itself (e.g. something in the "About Phone" section perhaps?
I want to make sure I have WCDMA 900
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Look at the System Version in About Phone.

quetzalcoatl2435 said:
Look at the System Version in About Phone.
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That wont work ican make mine look like a att phone, when it's a uk one
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stevendeb25 said:
That wont work ican make mine look like a att phone, when it's a uk one
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Well, yes, if you flash it. If it's locked, that's where to look. If it's unlocked, then there's no way of telling.

The picture below presents the ATRIX 4G AT&T. Notice the antenna plate below the speaker ? The antenna plate on the european atrix covers the whole place unlike at&t atrix.
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The picture below presents the ATRIX 4G AT&T. Notice the antenna plate below the speaker ? The antenna plate on the european atrix covers the whole place unlike at&t atrix.
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I can confirm, my atrix (UK) has a much larger metal plate.
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Oh and the UK ones have a soft touch rubber backing, rather than that ugly carbon fibre look.
But I suppose that could be changed too.

Bluemotion said:
I can confirm, my atrix (UK) has a much larger metal plate.
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Oh and the UK ones have a soft touch rubber backing, rather than that ugly carbon fibre look.
But I suppose that could be changed too.
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My Atrix (SEA version) has the carbon-fibre pattern back, but yeah, the antenna is bigger.
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Here's what the UK Antenna looks like, for reference. You can also kinda see in the background that I also have the shiny faux-carbon fibre backplate.
Please excuse the sand, it's been on the beach a bunch.

This is my UK Atrix's back sorry about picture quality.

hmm, whats the point with the UK/EU atrix having a different antenna?

crnkoj said:
hmm, whats the point with the UK/EU atrix having a different antenna?
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Because its more "4G" than the "Atrix 4G"... thats the way I put it in my comparison video.
The UK/EU version of the Atrix supports more 3G frequencies than the Atrix 4G.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3709&idPhone2=3708
Atrix 4G: 3G/HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA/HSPA+ (HSPA+ 14mbps = 4G if you're AT&T) 850/1900/2100mhz
http://www.motorola.com/us/consumer...,pd.html?selectedTab=tab-2&cgid=mobile-phones
Atrix UK/EU: 3G/HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA/HSPA+ 850/900/1900/2100mhz
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/G...ces/Mobile-Phones/ci.Motorola-ATRIX-GB-EN.alt
**HSPA/HSPA+ Motorola doesn't actually list either phone as supporting that, but they list it as HSDPA 14.4mbps (Catagory 10)**
My video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5sCvPQYFdE
Note: my atrix 4g has the bigger antenna, this is because the back was replaced!

tehrules said:
Because its more "4G" than the "Atrix 4G"... thats the way I put it in my comparison video.
The UK/EU version of the Atrix supports more 3G frequencies than the Atrix 4G.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3709&idPhone2=3708
Atrix 4G: 3G/HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA/HSPA+ (HSPA+ 14mbps = 4G if you're AT&T) 850/1900/2100mhz
http://www.motorola.com/us/consumer...,pd.html?selectedTab=tab-2&cgid=mobile-phones
Atrix UK/EU: 3G/HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA/HSPA+ 850/900/1900/2100mhz
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/G...ces/Mobile-Phones/ci.Motorola-ATRIX-GB-EN.alt
**HSPA/HSPA+ Motorola doesn't actually list either phone as supporting that, but they list it as HSDPA 14.4mbps (Catagory 10)**
My video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5sCvPQYFdE
Note: my atrix 4g has the bigger antenna, this is because the back was replaced!
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Thanks for the extensive anwser, but the fact that att/us atrixes can flash an eu radio, which than works good for most makes me skeptical that it has anything to do with bands, although when i flashed my att atrix with an eu radio (living in the eu too), it had some rather massive power drain in idle, so this might again speak for the missing part of the antenna being solely for the purpose of the 900 band.

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crnkoj said:
Thanks for the extensive anwser, but the fact that att/us atrixes can flash an eu radio, which than works good for most makes me skeptical that it has anything to do with bands, although when i flashed my att atrix with an eu radio (living in the eu too), it had some rather massive power drain in idle, so this might again speak for the missing part of the antenna being solely for the purpose of the 900 band.
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You can flash between the two yes, purely because its the same hardware chip however, the revisions are slightly different as 900mhz 3G is locked of at hardware level and not software level, thus explaining the lack of antenna for the phone. (It took me a long time to accept this, I'll be honest, you can see that from my other posts in relation to this)
The other theory I could think of is that AT&T are under some illusion that their users don't plan on going out of the USA and have had it designed for their 850mhz 3G band, and what ever 2G band they have.
I'll be honest, the signal strengths in the same place are different on both my atrix's. The UK Version can get better signal strengths than then ATT version.

Moto Maxx spotted in the wild. (Droid Turbo Variant)

I hope this sparks development and an unlocked bootloader.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/11/03/moto-maxx-possibly-a-droid-turbo-variant-for-non-us-markets-spotted-on-google/
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The form factor and all the internals look identical to our variant. This is good news.

its beautiful and in spanish! its coming to me.

man can't wait. I really hope this one will support Tmo band, love the specs and the battery life.
Funny thing is, 3 hour SOT in my nexus 5 considered good battery life, while in this beast 6 hours SOT is some kind of "weak"? Wth? This is QHD. I absolutely love this phone despite a lot of hater out there are screaming everyday

I don't see this released to a few countries alone, I'm thinking more likely it will international with broad release but excluding the US. In other words Clove and the rest are going to have it for sale and getting it will be strictly a matter of dropping the plastic. But then again maybe that's just wishful thinking.

The US Droid Turbo works on International networks via GSM, right? So if this one has identical hardware, less branding, it could potentially work on VZW, right?

fury683 said:
The US Droid Turbo works on International networks via GSM, right? So if this one has identical hardware, less branding, it could potentially work on VZW, right?
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Not exactly. It would need a CDMA radio. Then it would need to support Verizon LTE bands. And then even if they pulled a Nexus 6, because of the CDMA radio, Verizon would have to allow it on the network, which is doubtful because they want to sell you a Droid Turbo.

Character Zero said:
Not exactly. It would need a CDMA radio. Then it would need to support Verizon LTE bands. And then even if they pulled a Nexus 6, because of the CDMA radio, Verizon would have to allow it on the network, which is doubtful because they want to sell you a Droid Turbo.
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I was thinking of how the Nexus 6 worked out of the box, even though it didn't really come from Verizon. Not sure how relevant that is in this case, though. It makes sense, but I don't want it to :/

I think this is great news! Even better that it's still on 4.4.4. Hopefully it gets announced and released ASAP.

fury683 said:
I was thinking of how the Nexus 6 worked out of the box, even though it didn't really come from Verizon. Not sure how relevant that is in this case, though. It makes sense, but I don't want it to :/
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No one really knows how Verizon is handling the activation of the Nexus 6. Droid-Life was able to pop a Verizon sim in their review unit and it worked. Maybe Google is giving them all the Id numbers and they are just allowing any Nexus 6 to activate in their network? I guess we will see when someone buys one directly from T-Mobile and see if it makes calls.

Character Zero said:
No one really knows how Verizon is handling the activation of the Nexus 6. Droid-Life was able to pop a Verizon sim in their review unit and it worked. Maybe Google is giving them all the Id numbers and they are just allowing any Nexus 6 to activate in their network? I guess we will see when someone buys one directly from T-Mobile and see if it makes calls.
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I'm guessing something similar happened with the Moto X 2013. I bought it from Moto, and it was branded as Verizon. I'd assume Moto told VZW here are all the serials for the VZW XT1060 models. With the Nexus, they may have just given them all of the numbers for all the devices, because I'm guessing you don't specify which carrier you have when you purchase, unless you're doing an upgrade.

Jaocagomez said:
its beautiful and in spanish! its coming to me.
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is portuguese language

Moto Maxx is the global variant of Droid Turbo, if I'm right.

Is it under Lenovo?

Character Zero said:
Not exactly. It would need a CDMA radio. Then it would need to support Verizon LTE bands. And then even if they pulled a Nexus 6, because of the CDMA radio, Verizon would have to allow it on the network, which is doubtful because they want to sell you a Droid Turbo.
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My guess is they just have the full list of IMEIs.

Something tells me the United States is going to be excluded from this. Im sure it can be imported, but thats just going to jack the price up beyond being worth it.

Am hopeful that we get some positive news for us in the UK tomorrow. What time UK is it, about 2pm?
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Something tells me the United States is going to be excluded from this. Im sure it can be imported, but thats just going to jack the price up beyond being worth it.
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Since the device HAS passed through FCC as IHDT56PK2 (the droid turbo is IHDT56PK1... the PK2 adds in UMTS/AWS = tmobile 3G), one can assume that they do intend to sell it within the US.
The FCC is a US regulatory body, and is only required for importing into the US.

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Since the device HAS passed through FCC as IHDT56PK2 (the droid turbo is IHDT56PK1... the PK2 adds in UMTS/AWS = tmobile 3G), one can assume that they do intend to sell it within the US.
The FCC is a US regulatory body, and is only required for importing into the US.
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Many devices pass through the FCC and don't ever appear from US consumption. While somewhat promising, its not nearly a sure thing.
Verizon may have an exclusivity right on the model preventing it from being sold on other carriers. At least for the time being. But there's been no press about it being released in the united states, so one can on speculate at this point.

Keep in mind that only means it can be legally imported, it does not show intent to sell. Similar processes are followed throughout much of the world and two variants of a GSM phone can cover most of them. There is little reason not to get FCC certification since it is not an expensive or difficult process within the confines of the larger effort involved in global release and one of the handsets will be suitable for use in the states anyway. I'm not saying its not going to happen, I'm saying the filing does not make it a certainty and more than one phone has seen certification without being sold in the US.
Also to the thread in general the spread of possible IMEIs are public record, Verizon need only block out the range specified for a device in order to block it, they do not need specific numbers off individual devices which are not public record.

Intentional Limitation of Wifi & LTE Bands

Greetings XDA,
After some research, I've determined it to be a distinct possibility that the OnePlus X (possibly others) have built in software limitations.
In a recent tear down of the device (http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/OnePlus-x-teardown/) it was found that the device contains these two components:
Qualcomm WCN3680 RF chip
Qualcomm WTR1625L RF chip
Here are my findings of each of these parts.
Qualcomm WCN3680 RF chip
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/relea...1ac-product-ecosystem-provide-end-end-gigabit
"the WCN3680 is a mobile 1x1 802.11ac combo Wi-Fi/Bluetooth/FM chip"
This article from Qualcomm states the the chip present in the OnePlus X supports wireless AC.
Qualcomm WTR1625L RF chip
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/relea...olution-enables-single-global-lte-design-next
"The WTR1625L can accommodate all cellular modes and 2G, 3G and 4G/LTE frequency bands and band combinations that are either deployed or in commercial planning globally."
This article from Qualcomm states that the chip present in the OnePlus X is capable of supporting ALL LTE frequencies in use, or in the planning stages of development, as of Febuary 21, 2013. Where are Bands 12 & 17?
Am I correct in my findings? Will we be able to enable these bands with this method? http://www.xda-developers.com/add-frequency-bands-qualcomm/

if youre correct then i guess those features require higher license fees
thus theyve disabled them to keep costs down

I reckon they have the right chips, but haven't included all of the antennas due to size constraints. ie there is a 2.5GHz antenna for wifi, but not enough room for a 5GHz one.

Good news is, "It is not a hardware limitation" The link if I'm right is not working??? Trying to follow you. Update this link works:
http://www.xda-developers.com/add-frequency-bands-qualcomm/

Fstop said:
Good news is, "It is not a hardware limitation" The link if I'm right is not working??? Trying to follow you. Update this link works:
http://www.xda-developers.com/add-frequency-bands-qualcomm/
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So you're saying 5GHz WIFI and all LTE frequencies can be unlocked?
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O, now I understand, it was just about the link working, not the real thing.

All chipsets with integrated modems supports virtually all 2G, 3G and 4G frequencies that are user worldwide.. They are not activated because of bureaucratic questions, like regulators approval, licensing fees, etc.. etc... There are some examples on this forum of persons who succeed on activating frequencies that were previously deactivated on Snapdragon equipped phones..
WiFi is another story, because if the phone don't have a 5G antenna, then the fact that the chipset supports it, doesn't change nothing, because it will never work.

As I've mentioned in other related threads, once my OnePlus X arrives in the mail, I'll be sure to try my hand at unlocking band 17 since I have an active AT&T sim (I'll try band 12 too, but I can't verify that one).

Konno_Yuuki said:
As I've mentioned in other related threads, once my OnePlus X arrives in the mail, I'll be sure to try my hand at unlocking band 17 since I have an active AT&T sim (I'll try band 12 too, but I can't verify that one).
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And post a thread immediately after you do so...

mundano said:
All chipsets with integrated modems supports virtually all 2G, 3G and 4G frequencies that are user worldwide.. They are not activated because of bureaucratic questions, like regulators approval, licensing fees, etc.. etc... There are some examples on this forum of persons who succeed on activating frequencies that were previously deactivated on Snapdragon equipped phones..
WiFi is another story, because if the phone don't have a 5G antenna, then the fact that the chipset supports it, doesn't change nothing, because it will never work.
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Thanks for clearing this up.
Konno_Yuuki said:
As I've mentioned in other related threads, once my OnePlus X arrives in the mail, I'll be sure to try my hand at unlocking band 17 since I have an active AT&T sim (I'll try band 12 too, but I can't verify that one).
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Much appreciated.

Konno_Yuuki said:
As I've mentioned in other related threads, once my OnePlus X arrives in the mail, I'll be sure to try my hand at unlocking band 17 since I have an active AT&T sim (I'll try band 12 too, but I can't verify that one).
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Any updates?
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Any updates?
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Steady progress. I've gotten as far as were I can read and write NV values. This has required a lot of setup, mainly for Windows to communicate with the phone properly. The major problem I'm facing is that any NV value I write does not stick after a reboot. Thus far I've only needed root, but I may need a patch flashed and that will require TWRP. The OnePlus One required a RMT patch, so I'm going to try that later tonight or early tomorrow, making any modifications as required.

Konno_Yuuki said:
Steady progress. I've gotten as far as were I can read and write NV values. This has required a lot of setup, mainly for Windows to communicate with the phone properly. The major problem I'm facing is that any NV value I write does not stick after a reboot. Thus far I've only needed root, but I may need a patch flashed and that will require TWRP. The OnePlus One required a RMT patch, so I'm going to try that later tonight or early tomorrow, making any modifications as required.
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Very nice. Have you been able to test the added bands?

Makes me giddy thinking of all you pioneers hacking/developing for the OPX. This is the first time I've seen all these discoveries in real time rather than dug up the fossils of them months later.
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Posting here as this is a very cool thread to follow.

So apparently it seems someone may have picked up band 12 on their OPX. Heres a link to the post in the OPX forums in the official OP forums:
https://forums.oneplus.net/goto/post?id=14158562#post-14158562
Want to test it out myself since I currently have another phone that actually picks up band 12. If I'm able to pick up band 12 in the city I'll have my OPX on hand to verify that it can pick up band 12.

Shark87 said:
So apparently it seems someone may have picked up band 12 on their OPX. Heres a link to the post in the OPX forums in the official OP forums:
https://forums.oneplus.net/goto/post?id=14158562#post-14158562
Want to test it out myself since I currently have another phone that actually picks up band 12. If I'm able to pick up band 12 in the city I'll have my OPX on hand to verify that it can pick up band 12.
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The LTE discovery app is very unreliable on T-Mobile. There's many documented instances of false / incorrect information. It's the way T-Mobile sets up their network, it doesn't report the info, for apps to recognize the band.
The only true way to determine which band you're using would be to use the phones built-in service mode. Which the oneplus doesn't have ( I checked).
https://m.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/2w77an/tmobile_please_share_data_so_that_lte_discovery/
Also, here's the FCC approval document, oneplus or any company cannot add / change the radios without getting FCC approval.
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Very nice. Have you been able to test the added bands?
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I have not been able to. NVRAM values get loaded on boot. After unlocking my X's bootloader, I booted into TWRP and flashed the OPO's RMT storage patch. Let's just say it did not work out very well. Like cellular antenna not working at all, not so well. Thankfully I'm in the good habit of making backups before modifying anything and all is back to normal.

Any updates?

I don't understand One Plus. The One plus one, was/is such a great device. It put them on the map. The one x, is a beautifully designed phone. Why disabled/cripple the phone? To keep the price at $250? I would gladly pay $100 dollars more, for the one plus one, in the one plus x size, and design. I had to send mine back, because of lack of lte in my area on AT&T. Which by the way, I still haven't received a refund. And they received the phone back on 12/5. Their support is total crap!

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Any updates?
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Well Qualcomm's anti-tamper code is getting the better of me. I've tried using the Blu_spark kernal, but this did not rid of the code. My next step it to try and see if I can't to the mod on CM and have it live once OxygenOS is back on. This assuming CM can take the mod in the first place. I don't really want to have to flash a ROM for this mod. I was hoping to keep things as simple as possible so more people would take advantage this mod. Again, this assumes everything works as I hope it does. I'm so close, yet so far.