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So, I know this isn't about the HTC Hero or anything, but if it needs to be moved or deleted so be it. It is off topic. I just wanted to discuss the first Android phone on AT&T. I think it just launched over the weekend. So, specs are very, how should I put it, out-dated for being a newly released phone.
528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7201a(same speed as our HTC Hero which came out over a year ago. Well, the GSM one anyways.)
172mb of storage for apps.(I think we have 159)
3.1 inch screen. (We have 3.2, yes?)
And get this, it only has Android 1.5!
Talk about a Backflip that lands you on your head. But that's not bugs me the most about AT&T's first Android phone...Get this, apps outside the Android Market are blocked/disabled. Yes, that's right. Disabled. Talk about iPhone mindset. That's kinda against what Android is about.
What do you guys think? AT&T trying to ruin people's first Android experience so they will switch to the iPhone?
**** that phone...
they've also made Yahoo its default search engine and email provider afaik
coldsweat said:
they've also made Yahoo its default search engine and email provider afaik
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truth. completely eliminates why i would want a GOOGLE os phone
dmc971989 said:
**** that phone...
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lol, thats funny
It's a POS... thank GOD I jumped to Sprint to get the Hero and didn't wait for whatever ATT was going to offer for Android
I work for at&t
Motorola was at are center showing off the phone and the funny part was the gentleman that was showcasing the phone didn't know anything other then what was on the promo sheet.... the phone is just like tue clic from t mobile
I didn't like it at all personally
Look at it this way. If they didn't "disable" the out side apps thing, they would then be competeing with them selves. Also with yahoo, ATT has a deal with Yahoo to use them as there primary search for Mobile phones.
They released a crumby phone so Apple couldn't get to pissy with them over competition. Welcome to corporate America. Same stuff goes on where I work on a smaller scale. We will sell 3rd party hardware that is crappier than our hardware. It makes us look real good and gives a reason to charge our premium.
I put disable in qoutes because an advanced user can push the APK's with ADB.
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I do think the track pad navigation on the back is a cool idea, though I think partially ripped off from Apple's plans for the next ICrap. It is supposed to have a touch sensitive back if the rumors are true. Yet another law suit for Apple to push out I'm sure.
It only gets 1.5? Ouch. It would not be to bad of a phone if it wasn't for that. Hopefully they can root the sucker and upgrade it
I doubt they are trying to ruin the "first time android" experience. I switched from the iPhone to the android, because well... I just prefer it a lot better.
The main thing I'm jealous about though that AT&T is going to get are the new shipments of Dell Mini 5's. That's going to be amazing.
i read they gimped that phone at&t
AT&T is ****ing retarded. If I were Google, I would pull all there phones (though it's not a very good marketing thing to do, I'd still do it). I can't believe AT&T would have the audacity to cripple an Android phone and then on top of that, decide to put Yahoo search in place of Google search on an Android device, what retards. Thank God I'm on Sprint and have a Hero and can look forward to the amazing Supersonic and what not.
Fail
AT&T = Fail
's great, I'm supposed to be selling the iPhone at work, and I'm like "why would I? with the advent of Android it's now obsolete!"
I am now in an all android household. I have the hero, one roommate has the mytouch on t-mobile and the other one just got the backflip as he has been desperate to upgrade on att. Feeling bad for him now. Did not know the phone would be so gimped
out of the box. Thought yahoo search was the only impairment it would have. Tried to get him to switch to Sprint but he wanted to stay loyal. This is the reward att gives him!
JustinL42
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I am now in an all android household. I have the hero, one roommate has the mytouch on t-mobile and the other one just got the backflip as he has been desperate to upgrade on att. Feeling bad for him now. Did not know the phone would be so gimped
out of the box. Thought yahoo search was the only impairment it would have. Tried to get him to switch to Sprint but he wanted to stay loyal. This is the reward att gives him!
JustinL42
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Awww, come on now, he could get the stunning Iphone. /Sarcasm
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iPhone. Because you're too stupid to do that.
Wont 95% of users care less that yahoo is the default search and that they can only install applications from the marketplace?
My wife is due for an upgrade and shes debating between the Sprint Palm Pre or the backflip on ATT and although ATT's @#!& actions are infuriating to hardcore users like us I think the average user with their average interest wont care a bit. It seems that the back flip will still be a better device than the iphone right?
It does feel like they did that to keep Apple happy. But again, why the backflip in specs? The phone barely beats our phone in memory....and our phones are "old" now. I think they should do it right. They could have made a lot of money with a better spec'ed phone. Every review says not to buy it. Why not sell the N1? Hmmm. I guess ATT likes their noses covered in a brown substance.
I would NEVER buy that. If I wanted an Android on AT&T I'd get a G1, root it, unlock it, and put an AT&T sim in it.
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I doubt they are trying to ruin the "first time android" experience. I switched from the iPhone to the android, because well... I just prefer it a lot better.
The main thing I'm jealous about though that AT&T is going to get are the new shipments of Dell Mini 5's. That's going to be amazing.
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I could definitely see this as a deliberate attempt to hurt android. AT&T has been making wheel barrels full of cash off the iPhone and have no reason to be interested in open technology like Android.
In 6 months AT&T will point to sales numbers and say "Android just isn't preforming, people don't want it" I think they want it to fail, that or they're totally incompetent morons.
Eric Schmidt's words concerning why the Nexus One was created and how we dont need number Two.
Initially, Google felt that they needed to build a device to help Android along so they worked with HTC to create the Nexus One handset. Schmidt says: “The idea a year and a half ago was to do the Nexus One to try to move the phone platform hardware business forward. It clearly did. It was so successful, we didn't have to do a second one. We would view that as positive but people criticised us heavily for that. I called up the board and said: 'Ok, it worked. Congratulations - we're stopping'. We like that flexibility, we think that flexibility is characteristic of nimbleness at our scale."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-Schmidt-You-can-trust-us-with-your-data.html
Heh, google is the inverse of apple
...I would like a Nexus Two though?
What about a 1280x720 4" IPS screen, sub-10mm thickness, aluminum/carbon fiber construction, HDMI port, front-facing camera, Tegra 2 SoC, battery life that is amazing, and capacitive touch buttons that are actually silk screened right?
And of course, a unicorn detector
oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.
i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.
I thought the title was a joke. lol
Wow, damage control ahoy.
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i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.
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+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
I don't know what happened in SE HQ when they moved onto touchscreen phones and the like. They were ahead of the curve back in the day but maybe their UI let them down?
Samsung are another company who made good hardware but ****ed it up with their clunky software.
I'm not sure how these guys turn the ship around but HTC came from nowhere and are one of the biggest mobile phone manufacturers about now. Surely SE and Samsung can make a cracking phone again and win some of the market share back.
Another issue might be locking down access to root or bastardising Android with a clunky shell. HTC avoided that with a pretty nice UI in Sense.
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Heh, google is the inverse of apple
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That's why I love em.
Knew it and have been saying it all along.
The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.
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+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
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I don't know about you, but that's what I dislike about SE. Why couldn't they just combine the best walkman and camera in one phone? Instead, they made two phones out of almost the same hardware and charge a high price for each of them...
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oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.
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Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.
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The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.
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Amen!
I love the N1, and can't wait for a future device done the same way (without any branding). I seriously hope HTC is the manufacturer. Can't see myself using a phone not made by them.
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Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.
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Since android's beginning, there has always been Google's developer phone, the one that Google uses to write the android OS on. First was the g1, now its nexus. It will always be a vanilla android version, not HTC sense or MOTOblur or whatever. Perhaps the next one will be sold thru a carrier, but I think they will ensure it can be purchased unlocked too. We don't know, this is new territory, and The nexus kinda set the standard. So I'm anticipating Google will make sure the next phone can be had without the carrier influence as well.
I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.
I'm done with SE, myself. I followed them for a little while with a P990i, then Xperia X1 and was going to get an X10... but glad I got a Nexus One instead.
High-priced pieces of trash, they are. I know the X1 was HTC built and rebranded, but WinMo was so laggy on it and SE slapped an $800 price tag on it. Enough to wake you up.
So there won't be a N1 successor ??
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I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.
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Sure is nice having Google dictate what goes on the phone and not T-Mobile or AT&T or whoever. I think I'd opt for a slightly weaker phone over one with Sense UI and branding all over it.
I guess I'll be buying whichever dev phone is popular at the time, or making damn sure the phone has Cyanogen et al behind it and that it is vanilla.
No N2?!? Oh come on! It's not like they have to do much. Just make it a 4" screen, swap in a better 3D co-processor, slap a real keyboard on it and call it a day. I'd buy that off-contract any day!
I would agree that the N1 put android on the map, at the centre. They have multiple partners now SPAMMING rediculously good phones for android, the consumers know about it and WANT it, theyve done their task. Let them get back to making the OS orgasmic, and let HTC etc make phones that can vibrate
Like a guy said eariler this is whats called damage control. The N1 didn't start anything with Android OS, it was the Droid that did that. The N1 is a tiny blip on the radar of Android sales. The N1 failed and this is an arrogant look at the N1. The fact of the matter is HTC was planning 1ghz phones regardless of the N1 existance or not, remeber that phone list that was leaked last year of all the phones coming out this year? I love my N1 but lets face it google dropped the ball on it.
1. restrictions on the subdizing
2. restrictions on the type of plan
3. No dummy phones for TMO stores
IMO if they would have stuck the N1 in stores made it easy like Droid, Samsung Vibrant, and EVO, then N1 at the time would have been a mega hit. It was the first phone (that I can remember) with a ghz processor ppl would have went nuts for it because of the speed and its a really sexy looking phone.
i stumbled across this story. dunno if its been posted in other threads in this site but since im primarily a nexus one owner, ill post it here. look:
http://www.businessinsider.com/77-o...other-versus-just-20-of-android-owners-2010-7 only 20% of android users would buy another while 77% percent would buy another iphone? thats crap. i love android and this is coming from an ex iphone 1st gen, iphone 3g and iphone 3gs. android blows the iphone out the water with android 2.2. how can so many of us android users be unsatisfied with android? how many of you guys would buy another android device? i myself got my eye on the droid x but idk. its pretty hard to leave my nexus one
okay as someone asked i copied and pasted the article so no need to go to the actual site:
"Customer loyalty is definitely one of Apple's advantages versus most of its rivals in the smartphone market.
The latest evidence: A Yankee Group survey summarized on CNNMoney (via Daring Fireball) saying that 77% of iPhone owners say they'll buy another iPhone, versus just 20% of Google Android customers who say they'll buy another Android phone.
That's a huge difference!
For now, it could be attributed to the early, half-baked state of many Android devices out there -- we assume the customer satisfaction for newer devices like the HTC Droid Incredible and Nexus One is much stronger than that of, say, the original HTC G1.
And, of course, it's quite possible that those people who don't plan to buy another Android phone will buy one anyway, just because it's the best-available smartphone at their carrier, price, or other factors.
But still -- this is a platform war we're at the beginning of, and Google needs to work with its handset partners to make sure Android is a good (and as "sticky") as possible.
(We assume BlackBerry maker RIM has also had very strong loyalty over the years, but it's not mentioned in the article.)"
Lol thas complete bs. I was the former owner of the iPhone 3g and 3gs and since i switched to android i've had eris, droid 1, N1, incedible, and now droid x, having said that, the only one i would choose the iphone over is the eris. I read a similar article on droid life one time but the loyalty to android was actually in the 80s that must be a apple fanboy blog.
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Yep, Pure BS! Some iphonie fan wrote it...
All I see is the numbers, nothing about how they surveyed the people, how many people, and so on. I find that very hard to believe that 80% wouldn't buy another android phone. The iphone % I believe, since pretty much if you own an iphone you buy one every year, or you realise the mistake you made and move to another platform. Oh well, all the press is good news, Android is a viable enemy to iOS and the media and everyone else knows this now. You wouldn't have a survey even done if it wasn't.
Well I had the g1 for 2 years, and towards the end it really started to suck. It didn't have enough memory to run basic framework plus minimal applications. I always had Maps turning off the traffic due to low memory, and traffic checks are maybe the thing I use most often. ( I had ZERO anything on my homescreen as well, no apps, widgets, clocks, nada)
I went to iphone... HUGE mistake obviously (I could have figured it would be since I left iphone for android, but I thought I would give the 3GS a shot)
Then I came to the Nexus One and its uncomparable to either of these phones. If you are using a G1 on android 1.6 you really won't learn what Android is capable of, and you won't learn unless you get on a different device. Once I got to use the N1 and learn all the features of android, the G1 became more capable because I learned what it was trying to imitate. Widgets are one of the main features that make Android the winner. G1 Donut and hero/n1 Eclair are a Night and Day difference for me, and FroYo is amazing with the Dalvik cache and wifi-tether.
So, basically the majority of the people that say they would leave are on the g1 (or a similar, entry type) and don't really know what it is that they are missing.
Oh yea, and the article is BS...
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Well I had the g1 for 2 years, and towards the end it really started to suck. It didn't have enough memory to run basic framework plus minimal applications. I always had Maps turning off the traffic due to low memory, and traffic checks are maybe the thing I use most often. ( I had ZERO anything on my homescreen as well, no apps, widgets, clocks, nada)
I went to iphone... HUGE mistake obviously (I could have figured it would be since I left iphone for android, but I thought I would give the 3GS a shot)
Then I came to the Nexus One and its uncomparable to either of these phones. If you are using a G1 on android 1.6 you really won't learn what Android is capable of, and you won't learn unless you get on a different device. Once I got to use the N1 and learn all the features of android, the G1 became more capable because I learned what it was trying to imitate. Widgets are one of the main features that make Android the winner. G1 Donut and hero/n1 Eclair are a Night and Day difference for me, and FroYo is amazing with the Dalvik cache and wifi-tether.
So, basically the majority of the people that say they would leave are on the g1 (or a similar, entry type) and don't really know what it is that they are missing.
Oh yea, and the article is BS...
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i agree. if youre under 2.0, you wont experience the full android experience. to get the best feeling, 2.2 would be the one. this is where fragmentation is the issue
What really urks me is that there is not explination of the numbers, in either article they only say the numbers, not how the numbers were gathered or who was surveyed, as far as I am concerned the statement
"Android is the greatest mobile OS ever, iPhone cant even compare"
is just as plausible given the lack of evidence to support either my statement or their numbers.
Wow. As a show of how intelligent the sites readers are the whole comments section or an argument between fanboys in who will have more market share (the android guys side) and more profit ( the ios guys side).
This its probably true, if they took a sampling from att base. Att has ****ty android examples.
This is nosense.
As good old WM (6.x.x) is fading and WP7 won't compatible with older applications, I finally made a move and migrated to Android.
The first Android phone is nexus one, then you can imagine how high expectation I have with Android, and generally I think I made a right move.
Other than N8 (S60 cubic), the future smartphones will be Android 2.2+ based.
I love my n1 and would definitely get another android phone, once my nexus one dies or something worthwhile comes along to put my n1 into retirement.
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What really pisses me off about this, is that there isn't A SINGLE BIT OF PROOF, no statistics, no evidence, no survey reports, nothing. And this thing is spreading, its the Android 3.0 rumors all over again, unsubstantiated rumors running freely on the internet, and no one is asking the necessary questions.
One question: why are we driving traffic to their site? Copy/paste the content and post it in your OP, then I might read it.
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What really pisses me off about this, is that there isn't A SINGLE BIT OF PROOF, no statistics, no evidence, no survey reports, nothing. And this thing is spreading, its the Android 3.0 rumors all over again, unsubstantiated rumors running freely on the internet, and no one is asking the necessary questions.
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73% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Sounds like MS or Apple funded FUD to me. Or a clueless fanboi.
I just converted 3 people to android fanatics in the past month. And with the aria and captivate out for att I'm getting more people on the boat for it. My sister is far from technologically inclined and she still thinks her aria is easier and better than the iphone she almost bought.
I'm willing to guess that 100% of people at this forum would buy Android again We are hardly what I would consider an unbias source as we are browsing Android forums, clearly we love our devices.
I had a G1 for a year and LOVED it. Have had my Nexus One for around 2 months and I LOVE IT as well. If there was a Nexus 2, Id pick it up FOR SURE.
Too bad Google wont be doing another one. But that new 2ghz Motorola Android phone coming this winter sure sounds nice.
And yes, that article is PURE BS.
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I had a G1 for a year and LOVED it. Have had my Nexus One for around 2 months and I LOVE IT as well. If there was a Nexus 2, Id pick it up FOR SURE.
Too bad Google wont be doing another one. But that new 2ghz Motorola Android phone coming this winter sure sounds nice.
And yes, that article is PURE BS.
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Eh, the article isn't pure BS. Obviously if you bring this article to Android forums you are going to find that a vast majority of the people will call the article BS and say they love their Android phone. The same thing applies if someone were to post this very article on Apple forums, people would agree and say they love their iPhone. Fan-sites for devices are the most bias corners of the internet.
Just because many people here love their Android phones doesn't just mean the article is BS. Thats one thing everyone needs to remember: anyone posting on a fan-oriented forum/site is going to have a bias toward their hardware. They are also the vocal MINORITY. 99% of customers never ever post on a website or forum about how much they love their phone. Thus, people on sites like these represent a tiny fraction of the real market opinion.
Also, CNN Money ran the same story: http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/23/technology/iphone_4_att/index.htm?section=money_latest
I was using windows mobile for a long time until finally making the move to android with the nexus one. I have no regrets, either. When Windows Phone 7 releases, though, I will probably move to them. And if they can't keep up pace with apps/updates/ect, I'll be back on Android. I wont be buying any Apple products ever. I do not like the way they do business.
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Eh, the article isn't pure BS. Obviously if you bring this article to Android forums you are going to find that a vast majority of the people will call the article BS and say they love their Android phone. The same thing applies if someone were to post this very article on Apple forums, people would agree and say they love their iPhone. Fan-sites for devices are the most bias corners of the internet.
Just because many people here love their Android phones doesn't just mean the article is BS. Thats one thing everyone needs to remember: anyone posting on a fan-oriented forum/site is going to have a bias toward their hardware. They are also the vocal MINORITY. 99% of customers never ever post on a website or forum about how much they love their phone. Thus, people on sites like these represent a tiny fraction of the real market opinion.
Also, CNN Money ran the same story: http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/23/technology/iphone_4_att/index.htm?section=money_latest
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Fair enough, but XDA isnt ONLY Android developement. As Android got off to a slow start, I would think its very fair to say that people who purchased Android phones in the past year (Droid, Nexus, Evo, Desire, ect) would be VERY likely to purchase another Android phone.
And Id be willing to bet it would be alot more than 20%.
I bought the Nexus S about a month ago, while reading the reviews for the phone, I read that a lot of people were complaining about the lack of 4G in the phone. I live in India, so I looked up the specs to see if the 3G bands will be compatible here or not, then I realized that one of the main reasons Google opted for T-mobile was that the 3G bands were the same as the ones in Europe and in most of the world, so I guess this made the overall manufacturing easy. The HSPA+ that T-mobile has is a more proprietary technology and would've required them to release a separate model. Similar is the case with AT&T, their 3G bands are totally different. So I think that in a way they had a broader perspective in mind and were thinking about making the same for all the countries and not just making an America - Specific phone.
And to me 4G doesn't matter that much, because well, we're yet to have 3G here on all operators, 4G would be too far away!
Wow awesome explanation man thanks. That makes a lot of sense.
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The HSPA+ that T-mobile has is a more proprietary technology and would've required them to release a separate model.
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HSPA+ is not "proprietary" to T-Mobile, and it's not dependent on the frequency bands in use.
This is what I keep saying, the bands T-Mobile uses are more universal.
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Don't the radio chips that support T-Mobile's "4G" (HSPA+) also support the standard 3G as a fallback?
If they didn't, then the G2 and MT4G wouldn't work in all the parts of the US where T-Mo's not upgraded yet.
Sorry I don't know too much about T-Mobile myself since I live in India, I just wrote down whatever I could make out from the given specs of the Nexus S and the G2 and MT4G.
It may not be a proprietary technology then.
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t-mobile is coming out with the new Samsung Galaxy S 4G between Feb/Mar 2011
it's rather obvious why they held back on the Nexus S, so that it wont over shadow the next release of SGS 4G
http://www.gsmarena.com/notblurry_photos_of_samsung_galaxy_s_4g_for_tmobile_appear-news-2262.php
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t-mobile is coming out with the new Samsung Galaxy S 4G between Feb/Mar 2011
it's rather obvious why they held back on the Nexus S, so that it wont over shadow the next release of SGS 4G
http://www.gsmarena.com/notblurry_photos_of_samsung_galaxy_s_4g_for_tmobile_appear-news-2262.php
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If it's not stock android then it's not worth anything.
i'm hoping to see dual cores Nexus line up for next year
i wonder who's google going to choose for their next flagship
it'll most likely not be Samsung and probably not HTC
so that only leaves LG and Dell, as Acer and other smaller players don't have dual core ready yet
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If it's not stock android then it's not worth anything.
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There are MILLIONS of people who would disagree with that...
You're just not likely to see many of them in a forum like this.
there is always Cons and Pros about everything
it just depends from which angle you are Quantifying the worth of each aspect
in a way he got a very good point for the die hard fans of pure AOS experience
yet at the same time, those "customized AOS" fills other people cups of tea
ironically enough some iphone users does value the true AOS experience, and waiting for it to mature before switching from iOS to AOS (obviously switching phones as well)
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There are MILLIONS of people who would disagree with that...
You're just not likely to see many of them in a forum like this.
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Its the sad truth that most people can't even tell you what Sense UI is on their HTC phone, TouchWiz on their Sammy device, or MotoBlur on their Motorola phone =/ I know this because my Mom has a Sammy phone and she doesn't even know that there is a UI on there. She barely notices how differently my phone looks. My sister has a DInc which she upgraded from the G1 so I asked her how she liked SenseUI and her response? "SenseWhat?"
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Its the sad truth that most people can't even tell you what Sense UI is on their HTC phone, TouchWiz on their Sammy device, or MotoBlur on their Motorola phone =/ I know this because my Mom has a Sammy phone and she doesn't even know that there is a UI on there. She barely notices how differently my phone looks. My sister has a DInc which she upgraded from the G1 so I asked her how she liked SenseUI and her response? "SenseWhat?"
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Right on. To millions, actually hundreds of millions of users, the "pure android" is something they've never heard of, don't care about, and wouldn't recognize if it hit them in the face with a crowbar. That's why I chuckle when people around here say if it's not pure google it's worthless. Samsung, Motorola, RIM, and especially Apple are laughing all the way to the bank with their various GUIs, none of which are "pure google", and all of which have sold a crap-load more phones than any "pure google experience" phone has, or likely ever will.
Given the current rollout of T-Mobile's HSPA+, I'm more than okay with not having it on the Nexus S. It is exceptionally rare that I ever see speeds above 2mbps and when I do, I don't notice a difference in performance for any of the things that use the network. I experience the same when I mess around with my buddy's G2.
By the time we see an acceptable rollout of HSPA+, we'll also have a Google experience phone with a dual core that can actually deliver a better browsing experience and really take advantage of a wider spread HSPA+ network.
distortedloop said:
Right on. To millions, actually hundreds of millions of users, the "pure android" is something they've never heard of, don't care about, and wouldn't recognize if it hit them in the face with a crowbar. That's why I chuckle when people around here say if it's not pure google it's worthless. Samsung, Motorola, RIM, and especially Apple are laughing all the way to the bank with their various GUIs, none of which are "pure google", and all of which have sold a crap-load more phones than any "pure google experience" phone has, or likely ever will.
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The OG Droid was a vanilla Android device and it's one of the best selling Android devices of all time.
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The OG Droid was a vanilla Android device and it's one of the best selling Android devices of all time.
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Doubtful that had much if anything to do with "vanilla". Lack of competing Android devices, being on Verizon and superb marketing sold the Droid.
Pure Google is only "good" for updates (so far only bug fixes by the way with NS)....and for fanboys that dont even know anything about other Android variations...well of course there are people that just prefer stock...
Sense, TouchWiz, and Miui are pretty powerful overlays....dont know about Motoblur
I personally had hard time using stock OS after TouchWiz, and recently installed Miui on Nexus. I would take TW and Miui anyday over vanilla. Sense is pretty amazing too...best kb, best widgets....
Not too fond of TouchWiz or Motoblur, but I do like Sense, and MIUI is good, but I just don't like the iPhonish interface that it gives!
Apple = The Dark Side!
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Not too fond of TouchWiz or Motoblur, but I do like Sense, and MIUI is good, but I just don't like the iPhonish interface that it gives!
Apple = The Dark Side!
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Both Touchwiz and Miui can be customized to you preference, both look iPhonish when stock, but its an easy fix
This is clearly one of the top of the line phones.
If Google advertised this phone like samsung does theirs, it would be a top seller (it already is in my mind), but a top seller globally just like the iPhone is.
I dont understand why Google doesn't promote this phone, especially since it is the creme de la creme of Android phones.
I'm also wondering, why does Google tell us preorders begin Sept 29th, and then when Today (its basically 11AM already) is Sept 29th, the pre-order is not up yet, and we are all shrouded in mystery as to when it will actually be available for pre-order.
They stopped doing events for the Nexus releases (but do events for other lesser important releases)...
Google, Step up your game ! This is the best phone out there, and you're letting it sit on the sidelines hopefully to be discovered.
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This is clearly one of the top of the line phones.
If Google advertised this phone like samsung does theirs, it would be a top seller (it already is in my mind), but a top seller globally just like the iPhone is.
I dont understand why Google doesn't promote this phone, especially since it is the creme de la creme of Android phones.
I'm also wondering, why does Google tell us preorders begin Sept 29th, and then when Today (its basically 11AM already) is Sept 29th, the pre-order is not up yet, and we are all shrouded in mystery as to when it will actually be available for pre-order.
They stopped doing events for the Nexus releases (but do events for other lesser important releases)...
Google, Step up your game ! This is the best phone out there, and you're letting it sit on the sidelines hopefully to be discovered.
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It's October
Were in October dude, it will be available to buy when its available, no sooner, no later, no matter what you are told.
Why do they need to make a bigger deal out of, when what they are doing already has you feeling like this?
I am a rare breed of android purist, enthusiast.
I would like for people to ask me when they see my phone "Oh is that the new nexus?" instead of "Oh is that the new Galaxy phone?" <-- THIS
we need to change this, lol.
this is part of the reason why android gets a bad reputation, people complain about sub-par phones (compared to the nexus), and they rarely experience the lag-free pureness of NEXUS...
I seriously met someone once, who compared a crappy $50 android phone to the iPhone, and concluded to themselves that android sucks because of it. because they've already tried out android, and it didnt work for them... Android gets diluted by being modified by so many crappy U.I.'s and specs that any manufacturer's whim puts out. This is another reason why Nexus should be more well-known.
B/c the phone is so big as it is that they are worried that making it a 'big' deal about it will make it too 'big.'
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I am a rare breed of android purist, enthusiast.
I would like for people to ask me when they see my phone "Oh is that the new nexus?" instead of "Oh is that the new Galaxy phone?" <-- THIS
we need to change this, lol.
this is part of the reason why android gets a bad reputation, people complain about sub-par phones (compared to the nexus), and they rarely experience the lag-free pureness of NEXUS...
I seriously met someone once, who compared a crappy $50 android phone to the iPhone, and concluded to themselves that android sucks because of it. because they've already tried out android, and it didnt work for them... Android gets diluted by being modified by so many crappy U.I.'s and specs that any manufacturer's whim puts out. This is another reason why Nexus should be more well-known.
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Why do you care so much what other people think?
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slickromeo said:
I am a rare breed of android purist, enthusiast.
I would like for people to ask me when they see my phone "Oh is that the new nexus?" instead of "Oh is that the new Galaxy phone?" <-- THIS
we need to change this, lol.
this is part of the reason why android gets a bad reputation, people complain about sub-par phones (compared to the nexus), and they rarely experience the lag-free pureness of NEXUS...
I seriously met someone once, who compared a crappy $50 android phone to the iPhone, and concluded to themselves that android sucks because of it. because they've already tried out android, and it didnt work for them... Android gets diluted by being modified by so many crappy U.I.'s and specs that any manufacturer's whim puts out. This is another reason why Nexus should be more well-known.
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Get your Nexus, live your life.
Who cares what other people think?
its more about caring about the widespread ignorance, that is all.
Agree with _MetalHead_ definitely.
In my point of view, the Nexus brand of Google was not entirely was supposed to be a customer's alternative.
I always wondered the same thing. It's almost like they don't care about their Nexus line. Google tends to be the same way about a lot of their products. Jack of all trades, master of a few.
besides all that, it still sucks that google doesn't want to or hasn't for whatever reason given us an exact time when we can pre-order.
I think they are making a big deal about it just by the fact that they are offering it subsidized on all carriers which is a huge step away from the Nexus philosophy.
I think they are leaving it with the carriers. I do have to agree though, I craps deal with third party android ui and all the lags it come with that the pure android doesn't. ..that automatically confirm their ignorance. I personally don't care though. .... I still rock my note 4, despite its ui lag it is better than iPhone lmao.
I suspect they keep the Nexus low-key to avoid angering the various other Android OEMs.
Maybe that made sense when they were $349. but now that they're basically the same price, and they're not competing with other OEM's on price anymore, I think it has become a non-issue, and suspect its for other reasons they're so low-key.
Google, in my eyes and with the past Nexi, wants to sell the SOFTware more than their HARDware. If they wanted to they could make a commercial just like the other OEMs; they have cash to do so. Instead have you noticed their push with Android as a whole? Software is where they make money. So instead of trying to explain to people what the Nexus 5 really is, I just tell them it's the Google Phone.
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Maybe that made sense when they were $349. but now that they're basically the same price, and they're not competing with other OEM's on price anymore, I think it has become a non-issue, and suspect its for other reasons they're so low-key.
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Even at $649+ it is less expensive than similar flagships. I suspect the price is higher than N4 and N5 to avoid what happened to the LG G2, and they keep it low-key to keep all OEMs happy.