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Battery drains 50% a day...whilst idling!

Guys,
pretty much as the topic says...it drains about 40 to 50% a day when it is idle....if I am using it it can be anything up to a 1% a minute.
Any hints on where to look - tried using battlog to log the usage but i cannot open the subsequent file at all.

Wiggz said:
Guys,
pretty much as the topic says...it drains about 40 to 50% a day when it is idle....if I am using it it can be anything up to a 1% a minute.
Any hints on where to look - tried using battlog to log the usage but i cannot open the subsequent file at all.
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Wiggz,
Try checking if you're in a dead-zone with no reception? (Your phone may be constantly trying to search for a signal). Do this for Wi-Fi too. Make sure it is not constantly scanning for a network.
Similarly, open up your task manager. How many programs do you see running in the background? Remember that pressing X in Windows Mobile does not mean it closes the application, it only means that the application is minimized.
Cheers.

Wifi is hardly ever on. My signal is always constant, but I have my data connection on 24/7 for emails. The only program I ever see consume CPU power when idle is "changescreen". I always check that a program has closed properly when I click the 'x'.
I know data connection on eats some battery but jesus - not that much surely?

Wiggz said:
Wifi is hardly ever on. My signal is always constant, but I have my data connection on 24/7 for emails. The only program I ever see consume CPU power when idle is "changescreen". I always check that a program has closed properly when I click the 'x'.
I know data connection on eats some battery but jesus - not that much surely?
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Wiggz,
The question remains, how many programs do you see when you open up the task-manager? You did not answer the question.
From what I've observed with my friend's Toshiba Portege, he lost 30% in an hour. He did not realize that he had 15-ish programs "idling" in the background with very little RAM use. Long story short: Turn everything off if you don't need it and just keep the Task Manager running. He now goes through the night with 1 ~ 2% loss.
Good day.

PoisonWolf said:
Wiggz,
The question remains, how many programs do you see when you open up the task-manager? You did not answer the question.
From what I've observed with my friend's Toshiba Portege, he lost 30% in an hour. He did not realize that he had 15-ish programs "idling" in the background with very little RAM use. Long story short: Turn everything off if you don't need it and just keep the Task Manager running. He now goes through the night with 1 ~ 2% loss.
Good day.
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When I open up task manager I see 4 applications running (taskmgr, manila, cprog x2) - when I check the processes I have many more obviously. However these are all processes I'd expect to be running (gwes.exe, cprog.exe, device.exe, services.exe etc...)
Any more advice?

Wiggz said:
When I open up task manager I see 4 applications running (taskmgr, manila, cprog x2) - when I check the processes I have many more obviously. However these are all processes I'd expect to be running (gwes.exe, cprog.exe, device.exe, services.exe etc...)
Any more advice?
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Wiggz,
Unfortunately, that's all from me (I dont even have this phone yet, I'm saving up for it in the next couple of weeks). Try turning off your data and see how it goes. But damn, 50% loss just on idling, something in the background is definitely killing the battery.
Cheers!

Thanks for the help anyway - annoying the crap out of me. My Artemis used to go for days without needing a charge...I suppose my battery could be screwed but I want to troubleshoot first before I bite the bullet on that one - suppose I could hard reset and see what the drain is?

Things idling in RAM should not have any significant hit on the battery life. However, having the data connection on 24/7 will indeed kill your battery life, especially if you're using 3g or higher (Edge drains alot aswell, but not as much as 3g and higher). Since emails seem important to you, I'm guessing you have it set to dl every 5min (which is the most frequent setting). If applicable, change it to 10 or 15; granted it's possible you do need to get your emails ASAP and you need the 5min frequency. Now regardless whether you changed the frequency of the auto dl or not, set your data connection to terminate after a 1min of not being used. This should help you get a good bit more out of your battery.
(I have emails dl every 30min and RSS feeds and push pages once an hour. Data enables itself when needed and then terminates after a minute of not being used. This allows me to get much more than a days usage out of the phone. The only way I kill the phone is if on top of all that, I listen to music/radio for about 6 hours)
Hope it helps
oh, and in case you don't know, HD Tweak is one way to terminate data after X amount of time of not being used.

do you have stock or cooked rom btw? duttys v3 xt, for example, is known to drain battery a lot.

Svegetto said:
oh, and in case you don't know, HD Tweak is one way to terminate data after X amount of time of not being used.
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Cheers for this. I have HD Tweak and have tried that data connection termination setting before, however there is a little comment along with it that it can stop data and/or voice calls. Has anyone had any issues with it?
Thanks

i had similar problem, battery got drained overnight or during the day with a speed of light... but in my case the bad boy was Palringo (IM) which was auto starting with every phone reset and did not show on taskbar...it is so bad that it drained fully charged battery in aprox. 6-7 hours. so now i hardly use it, and whenever i do i make sure its closed properly....

Wiggz said:
Cheers for this. I have HD Tweak and have tried that data connection termination setting before, however there is a little comment along with it that it can stop data and/or voice calls. Has anyone had any issues with it?
Thanks
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personally I have had no issues whatsoever. The voice calls that I'm guessing they're referring to is VOIP which uses your data plan to make the call as I don't see why it would interfere with normal calls. I think the easiest thing is just to give it a try, and if it doesn't work for you, then let us know and hopefully we'll be able to come up with a different solution.

Svegetto said:
personally I have had no issues whatsoever. The voice calls that I'm guessing they're referring to is VOIP which uses your data plan to make the call as I don't see why it would interfere with normal calls. I think the easiest thing is just to give it a try, and if it doesn't work for you, then let us know and hopefully we'll be able to come up with a different solution.
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Well the reason I mentioned it was that I enabled that as one of a number of weaks and ended up having to hard reset as I wasn't getting Texts in a timely manner etc....it was probably another setting but I couldn't be sure.
Will try again. Only other thing is that data connection on 24/7 is great for a quick browse here and there and stock updates etc...

crashDebug said:
do you have stock or cooked rom btw? duttys v3 xt, for example, is known to drain battery a lot.
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why is that, by the way?

You haven't got Sprite Virtual Mobile installed have you? I tried it out on my HD and it sucked the life out of it for some strange reason. And it wasn't even showing up in task manager.

Is there a list of processes, services etc that we can safely remove/disable to work in the background? What say all?

glad this thread came up - my blackstone has been absolutely fine until I had the genius idea of "optimising" everything about 2 weeks ago with HD Tweak...
Now it's not HD Tweaks fault, but whatever I have changed means that it can drain a full charge overnight, and by morning its nigh on empty, i'm going to try and change it all back today, but for sure some setting I've changed is sucking juice like no-ones business.
FWIW - I havent installed anything during this time, the only thing i've changed is some of the settings - so it's not a "rogue" app draining the battery.
OT - sorry for the semi-hijack - I guess my point is that i'll have a play with the settings and see if I can determine what's eating the battery and then compare with other people.

that's fine (re: hijack) I think the two topics are closely connected.....not sure of the answer though

Wiggz said:
that's fine (re: hijack) I think the two topics are closely connected.....not sure of the answer though
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ta - me either - i've changed a few settings and made a note - will post if it doesnt eat the battery overnight over the next couple of days.

Do HD2 Batteries fail quickly when they go?

I've always read the thread about battery life problems on here thinking "Thank **** mine doesn't have that problem" - luckily since I bought mine in December the battery has been quite impressive really.
But a few days ago it suddenly started losing power VERY fast. I'm talking about 10%/hour even on standby, so I undid changes I'd made recently and it made no difference.
Then I read through loads of other threads on here from people who had poor battery life on their phones to look for clues/solutions.
It seems that the responses are (understandably) fairly consistent, eg:
check for stuff running in task manager
remove changes recently made to the phone/uninstall recently added apps
make sure your data/wireless etc isn't doing stuff it shouldn't be
turn off automatic updates
turn down the screen brightness
check activesync
do a hard reset
upgrade your radio rom
etc
All of these of course make sense and are useful suggestions, but it seems there are a good few cases where doing these things don't help, ie you check out the different potential causes and none appear to be responsible. And in the case of sudden poor battery performance you can't point the finger at the rom/screen brighness/auto updates if they are only doing the same as they have been for ages without issue.
So is there a genuine case for the batteries just suddenly 'going weak'?
I've resorted to a hard reset on mine last night after assuming something had got corrupted hence why I could not find the cause of the sudden battery weakness.
But it hasn't helped - it's still dropping approx 10% each hour while on standby, even on a basic install, without even all the apps I normally have.
To me therefore it logically has to mean a failing battery if a hard reset does not help - or can anyone argue why that might not be true? The only exception I can think of realistically is a hardware fault with the phone.
Have ordered a new standard one anyway, and a hicap 'bulge' battery, so I'll post up if the new one cures it. Quite a few battery threads seem to have no conclusion, so ultimately they're not all that helpful in those cases.
How many other people have had issues like this where the battery life has rapidly gone downhill and a new battery has solved the issue?
Also, has anyone done any tests on their 'dodgy' batteries to see if they are indeed going bad or if it's the phone at fault? For instance (really basic I know) if I were to hook up a light bulb to the battery and measure how long it lasts before it goes dim, then compare it to the results from a new battery, would that be worth trying?
If that's the case it's p1ss poor that a state of the art phone can't even go 6-7months before the battery is junk!
I understand and appreciate that li-ion cells only have a certain number of charge cycles (like most rechargeables) but this takes the cake!
My old XDA orbit is years old, still has its original battery, and that has not deteriorated by any noticeable amount, so these shouldn't either.

See: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=688496
and let me know if the new battery fixes the problem. I think the batteries might be crap and prone to failing early.

Thanks for the link - sounds exactly the same as my issue.
Hopefully the new battery packs will sort it but that's shocking quality control or product design/testing if these are failing so quickly.

change , Toshiba Tg01 , its better , im using 2 of thems , hd2 and Tg01
made by Japan is better than Taiwanese ,

Enchanter said:
change , Toshiba Tg01 , its better , im using 2 of thems , hd2 and Tg01
made by Japan is better than Taiwanese ,
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Yeah right. But that has not solved the problems with the 6 month old phone.
What i have not read in the post of Cret is that you took the memory card out and see if that improves battery life. a corrupt file on the memory card causes a huge drain.
try because that also happenns suddenly e.g. after been connected to a computer and not disconnecting properly.

That's a damn good point actually - thanks. I had seen that mentioned in other battery threads yet somehow completely forgot to try it.
I will try and see whether it makes any difference - cheers.
If that should turn out to be the cause of the problem how do you resolve it?
To elaborate - I don't imagine you can easily identify which file would be the culprit, without formatting the card and adding the files back one by one and testing for the fault to re-appear. That's totally impractical, almost impossible with the number of files you can fit on a 16gb card, and the time it would take to carry out that process, so what do you do?
Or is it possible that simply copying them off the card, formatting it, and pasting them back would somehow resolve the issue.
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change , Toshiba Tg01 , its better , im using 2 of thems , hd2 and Tg01
made by Japan is better than Taiwanese ,
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How pointless.

wilcovh said:
Yeah right. But that has not solved the problems with the 6 month old phone.
What i have not read in the post of Cret is that you took the memory card out and see if that improves battery life. a corrupt file on the memory card causes a huge drain.
try because that also happenns suddenly e.g. after been connected to a computer and not disconnecting properly.
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Doesn't this usually result in filesys.exe spiking up to 100% (or just high) CPU usage, though? It isn't doing this on mine, although I'll give it a shot without the SD card. I would expect better battery life without an SD card in anyway, but nothing dramatic.
Cret, let me know if your new battery sorts the problem so I know to buy one myself!

the battery do this only a the begining but after 6 monthes of use it becomes better day after day

hoss_n2 said:
the battery do this only a the begining but after 6 monthes of use it becomes better day after day
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What are you talking about? Again, you enlighten a thread with useless information. You can clearly see the OP has had the phone for 6 months (as have I) and the battery is failing (as is mine).
Plus, your battery must defy the laws of physics if it gets better day after day. Interesting.

Cret said:
If that should turn out to be the cause of the problem how do you resolve it?
almost impossible with the number of files you can fit on a 16gb card
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What you can try is put the memory card in a card reader and run checkdisk on the card. see if that identify's any problems on the file system
beside of that it seems that the HD2 has problems with 16GB cards, at least quite a few of them. read through the posts.

Id suggest to collect more data about the problem.
The program BattClock lets you check the battery drain in mA. A normal drain for the HD2, with no processes keeping the CPU awake, is 4mA in standby, with only the radio being powered to receive calls.
So, since the battery current value isn't update instantly, right after you wake up form stanby battclock should be showing 4mA (max6-7mA or something lik that) fora few seconds. If that's not the case, and if the drain is way higher than that, then it may be the case that the phone for some strange reasons is draining more current than it should, and it's not a real battery fault.

I had a similar issue, solved it by disabling auto backlight. Set it at 30% and all good since then.

Well, I thought there had been a slight improvement over the weekend with this battery issue but this morning on standby the phone dropped 3% in a matter of 5 or 10 minutes on standby.
So I removed the mcirosd card and in nearly 3 hours since then it has dropped another 4%. That's a big improvement and does hint that the card is the fault, but it's too early to be sure about that. I've put the card back in to see if it begins to drop fast again. If so I'll take it out for longer and monitor it again.
wilcovh said:
What you can try is put the memory card in a card reader and run checkdisk on the card. see if that identify's any problems on the file system
beside of that it seems that the HD2 has problems with 16GB cards, at least quite a few of them. read through the posts.
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Good idea. I wasn't aware that the phones had problems with cards this size. What about with 32gb ones (not that I can afford one!)?
ephestione said:
So, since the battery current value isn't update instantly, right after you wake up form stanby battclock should be showing 4mA (max6-7mA or something lik that)
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I did use battlog briefly, but just to keep an eye on the current current amount in use and it was fluctuating a lot just with the phone awake but running no apps. Sometimes it after waking it the phone would show a low figure like you quote but other times not.
I haven't checked batlog out fully in terms of what it's capable of, but what would be great would be an app that can log the current use like that does, but at the same time also log a list of which processes/services/applications are running, then that could REALLY give some useful info.
Eg the log shows normal current use, then spikes upwards when a specific process begins to run.

Cret said:
I haven't checked batlog out fully in terms of what it's capable of, but what would be great would be an app that can log the current use like that does, but at the same time also log a list of which processes/services/applications are running, then that could REALLY give some useful info.
Eg the log shows normal current use, then spikes upwards when a specific process begins to run.
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make a request for this feature in battclock's thread
The author seems to be quite open to useful suggestions (I, among others, suggested the log-to-txt feature )

Would be a good idea - I like BattClock I must admit. Nice to have the taskbar info like it does.
Ok, later on in the day, it's worked out that it's used 35% battery in approx 3.5 hours of standby - pretty horrendous. Equates to about 10.5 hours (very roughly) battery life on standby. I've checked periodically during this 3.5 hour period and the drop has been steady.
With the card removed, it went 3 hours and only lost 4%, meaning approx 77 hours of standby time at that rate.
Quite a difference between the two.
So at this point it very much looks like there is a fault relating to the memory card.
I'll try some testing tonight. Mainly that will mean I'll first do a filesystem test as suggested. Then delete all the media files, cut the remainder of files and paste them elsewhere, format the card then paste them back, and see how it then behaves.
So it seems now that buying new batteries (and almost slagging off the HTC one) was slightly hasty, but they'll still be really useful, so I'm not at all bothered about that.

Try putting the blank card in, with nothing on it. Would be interesting to see how much juice it draws just having a card in there without reading anything from it.

I have the same issue.
My HD2 worked like a charm, only around 12% battery drain in 24 hours (I could carry it around on standby for one week before recharging).
Now - it sucks around 3% per hour. After one day, I'm at around 25% charge
At first I thougth this was related to Co0kie's Home Tab, but even after hard-reseting, it still drained battery as hell.
At the moment I'm running it without memory card (4GB Kingston) to see if this might be the issue...

I've run a CHKDSK on my memory card just in case, but the filesystem's fine. Any update, Cret?

Well, I'm sure mine was caused by the card, or at least a fault that related to it (ie possibly a file rather than the card itself).
Since I removed the card the battery life returned to normal, so I formatted it, and then copied some of the content back onto it again. It has been back in the phone for a little while now and has been behaving quite well. Basically for instance it's at 77% now at 10.30pm after being removed from the charger around 8am. I haven't used the phone much except to check emails a few times, read a few texts, and go online a couple of times/read RSS feeds a little.
So I'm fairly happy with that.
BUT - not having had the chance to use the phone much (ie mess about) since I formatted the card, I just found that the phone thinks there is no card inside it at the moment for some reason!
I removed it and the PC can read the card and its contents no problem but the phone cannot see it. The only reason I can think of for this is that I formatted the card as NTFS instead of Fat since it's meant to give faster performance, but is it possible that the phone itself does not support this format?
Since it's not working at the moment I'll have to try wiping it and changing it back to fat again.
Yes I have tried rebooting it also.
Next thing is th double size replacement battery I bought arrived the other day. The battery fits ok but the replacement cover that came with it does not fit properly at all.
The cover clips in ok on the side of the volume buttons, but no matter what I do it just hangs loose on the opposite side so I can't actually use the bloody thing since the battery will just fall out like this. Really not happy at all about this.
This is the one I bought:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Extended-2400...eBatteries&hash=item5d2925ce91#ht_1862wt_1137
I think I will be trying to return this for a full refund since there appears to be a design flaw. Normally I would attempt to make something like this fit properly myself but if I failed then I'd have a piece of junk that I could neither use nor return so I think better just to return it without messing about.
It's a shame as the cover actually looks like it should fit perfectly, and seems to fit very well, it's just that it fails completely to latch in place on one side, as if the clip bit is not long enough perhaps.
What concerns me slightly at the moment

Just reformatted the card as Fat instead of NTFS and loaded my files back on and it works now.
So I'll update in due course once I've been using it loaded up again.

Bad battery life is typically not because of the hardware

Hi,
I'm posting this in return for all the information I found about the HD2 and poor battery performance. I read every thread I could find and every single post in them. I learned a lot and that allowed me to solve my problem.
I got no more than about 10 hours of use out of my battery with average use. Initially I thought this was the norm, reading a number of threads on this issue. I could however not believe that the performance was so poor, even taking the large screen into account.
I decided to try and determine exactly what it was that caused the battery to drain to quickly. I loaded BattLog and found it invaluable (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444920).
I immediately noticed that my phone was drawing 85 mA even when it was in standby (or what I thought was standby). Based on what I was reading, the current draw should not be more than 5 mA while the phone is in standby.
I noticed in one of the threads that there were complaints about G-Profile causing battery drain. Since I had it on my phone I thought that might be a logical place to look. I uninstalled it a lo and behold... the current draw fell to below 5 mA when the phone was in standby!
In addition I loaded Bandswitch which switches off my 3G connection after it has not been used for 60 seconds.
Now I have about 48+ hours of battery life. When not using the phone a lot it extends to a lot more than 48 hours.
The long and short of it is that if you get poor battery performance, chances are it is because of some software that is installed on your phone.
Here are a couple of usefull things I have found in helping resolve my battery issues:
1) Use Batlog (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444920) to log the current your phone draws. If it draws more than 5 mA during standby you have a problem, most probably related to a piece of software on your phone
2) Your phone should not be drawing much more than about 150 mA when in 'active' mode with the screen at 40% brightness.
3) If you are running G-Profile, uninstall it and recheck your current draw. Chances are that it is the culprit.
4) Having an active data connection does draw power from the battery. In my case this is about an additional 130 mA. Load something like Bandswitch to disable the data connection when it is not needed.
I hope this information helps somebody. I realise that the situation is different for everybody out there because of all the variants such as age of the battery, sofware loaded and use. However, the reality is that the battery issues are most probably not because of a bad battery or the hardware but rather because of software on the phone.
BTW I am running:
OS Version: 5.2.21869
Manilla version: 2.5.19211619.0
ROM version: 1.48.421.2 (71294) WWE
Radio version: 2.05.51.05_2
Regards

gerhardvr said:
Hi,
I'm posting this in return for all the information I found about the HD2 and poor battery performance. I read every thread I could find and every single post in them. I learned a lot and that allowed me to solve my problem.
I got no more than about 10 hours of use out of my battery with average use. Initially I thought this was the norm, reading a number of threads on this issue. I could however not believe that the performance was so poor, even taking the large screen into account.
I decided to try and determine exactly what it was that caused the battery to drain to quickly. I loaded BattLog and found it invaluable.
I immediately noticed that my phone was drawing 85 mA even when it was in standby (or what I thought was standby). Based on what I was reading, the current draw should not be more than 5 mA while the phone is in standby.
I noticed in one of the threads that there were complaints about G-Profile causing battery drain. Since I had it on my phone I thought that might be a logical place to look. I uninstalled it a lo and behold... the current draw fell to below 5 mA when the phone was in standby!
In addition I loaded Bandswitch which switches off my 3G connection after it has not been used for 60 seconds.
Now I have about 48+ hours of battery life. When not using the phone a lot it extends to a lot more than 48 hours.
The long and short of it is that if you get poor battery performance, chances are it is because of some software that is installed on your phone.
Here are a couple of usefull things I have found in helping resolve my battery issues:
1) Use Batlog to log the current your phone draws. If it draws more than 5 mA during standby you have a problem, most probably related to a piece of software on your phone
2) Your phone should not be drawing much more than about 150 mA when in 'active' mode with the screen at 40% brightness.
3) If you are running G-Profile, uninstall it and recheck your current draw. Chances are that it is the culprit.
4) Having an active data connection does draw power from the battery. In my case this is about an additional 130 mA. Load something like Bandswitch to disable the data connection when it is not needed.
I hope this information helps somebody. I realise that the situation is different for everybody out there because of all the variants such as age of the battery, sofware loaded and use. However, the reality is that the battery issues are most probably not because of a bad battery or the hardware but rather because of software on the phone.
BTW I am running:
OS Version: 5.2.21869
Manilla version: 2.5.19211619.0
ROM version: 1.48.421.2 (71294) WWE
Radio version: 2.05.51.05_2
Regards
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and imagine that your rom version is accused of massive batt draining!
an upgrade to 1.66 / 1.72 should make a difference..or a custom rom

batlog?
Hi Gerhardvr,
What is the batlog software you used?
I'm very interested about your post.
Thanks.
J6B.

Very useful findings, gerhardvr. Thanks!

found BattLog
ok, I found BattLog
It's just in showthread.php?t=444920
Have a nice day guys.
cu
J6B.

When I ran the Test, it said that I was using up 242mA in standby! I dont believe I have G-Profile installed, unless it was pre installed on the device. I have the latest versions of the ROM, Radio, Manila, and OS version, so I know the culprit cant be the ROM version... Any ideas? I bought this phone from T-Mobile US.... Sooo yeah

Folks, I've been trying to get to the bottom of this as well. I have a number of cab files which do seem to help a little. One of the bigest culprits I've found is the screen lockers. Disable them and see how you fair!

soopahsteve said:
When I ran the Test, it said that I was using up 242mA in standby! I dont believe I have G-Profile installed, unless it was pre installed on the device. I have the latest versions of the ROM, Radio, Manila, and OS version, so I know the culprit cant be the ROM version... Any ideas? I bought this phone from T-Mobile US.... Sooo yeah
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Soopahsteve,
I suggest you use Battlog to log to file. This is very useful as it will log the time stamp, the current temp of the battery and the current draw at the point in time. In addition it logs arious events on the phone, in particular the startup and shut down of applications, data connectivity, when you make or receive a call, whether you are talking or receiving on the call, etc. This can be opened in Excel and then analysed and if you are very lucky, you will pick up some patterns allowing you to link some programs to the battery drain.
However, the situation is typically slightly more complex to resolve since the culprit software are usually software that is loaded as TSR application at reboot. The result of this is that Battlog will not show the startup of these applications in the log file since they are already running at the time you are starting Battlog.
You should look at programs that manage phone profiles, screen lockers, screen calls or SMS messages, etc. In other words, any program that does work behind the scenes.
The reason you are seeing 242 mA in "standby" is because your phone is not really in standby. Although the screen is blank, something is preventing your phone from going into true standby, the processor is still active. The trick is to find what this is.
Sometimes the only approach is to uninstall the applications you suspect one by one and see if it makes a difference until you either find the culprit or can prove that none of the them are an issue. Then reinstall the ones you think are "safe" one by one and check whether the probelm pops up again. unfortunately you have to do the double sided approach because there could be more than one application that cuases your issue.
Painful I know but worh it when you have two days worth of battery time with some to spare.
Regards

See no reason to upgrade to the latest ROM
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and imagine that your rom version is accused of massive batt draining!
an upgrade to 1.66 / 1.72 should make a difference..or a custom rom
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You know it. In reality I would love to upgrade to the latest and greatest but I've customised my phone to the Nth degree (did obviously not upgrade the ROM) by installing all the little apps I find useful, Cookies Home tab (best thing since sliced bread), etc. My phone is now just the way I like it.
It would take me quite some time to upgrade the ROM and to customise it again from scratch and I really don't see the benefit. I might be force to do it when I get to a stage where there are software that I would like to load that only works on the later ROMs but until such time I'm not gonna try to fix that that ain't broke.
Regards

is this the bandswitch u are using? if not, can i check where to get the program?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286844

gerhardvr said:
It would take me quite some time to upgrade the ROM and to customise it again from scratch
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I just upgraded my ROM and did a Level 1 restore with Sprite Backup ... everything comes back except (I think) for wifi passwords.

i am drawing 180mA on standby..
im using custom rom, energy rom so thats very strange, but i have to agree that my battery life is terrible.. so i got to find a way to cut down on the 180mA drain..

I've always had good battery life on stock 1.66 rom losing 3% overnight with wifi and bluetooth turned off. Had to do a hard reset and started losing 15% overnight with the same everything. Did further resets and got nowhere. Ended up giving up on 1.66 although it had been fine previously after numerous hard resets - makes no sense but this is what happened. Just flashed to 1.72 and back to losing 3% overnight what it should be. And that is out of the box, to be honest all the battery saving registry tweaks are not worth the time installing and I leave 3G on all the time with updates coming through.
So it's all a bit random and shame on HTC for not sorting it out. My advice is do a hard reset, switch the wifi and bluetooth off and see in the morning if you have a reasonable battery life (or use the batt consumption program to verify standby consumption is sensible). Do this first before installing everything, getting frustrated and starting over again like I did when you discover that you're still experiencing high battery drain. This ensures that your starting point is a good flash and the phone is getting good life before adding any apps that could be causing a problem.

i have found my hd2 really does not like being in a poor or no coverage area. other phones i've owned have normally coped pretty well with no or very little signal. but not the hd2.
also noticed more drain in areas where there is only poor 3g coverage and its switching between 'g' and 'h' coverage.

fi3ry_icy said:
i am drawing 180mA on standby..
im using custom rom, energy rom so thats very strange, but i have to agree that my battery life is terrible.. so i got to find a way to cut down on the 180mA drain..
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Energy ROMs, just like the name goes, use a lot of Energy
They are baked in with a lot of performance tweaks so it's not unusual to get lower battery life per charge compared to other more down to earth vanilla ROMs.

Thanks for this thread, a lot of interesting information about the battery life of my HD2.
Just to mention: battconfig shows the power consumption directly in the task bar, a good way to find power guzzlers while they are active.
It's a pity we have no central place in this forum with a list of background applications that are known to drain the battery faster.
Or, also a needed information, a list of applications that are known not to do this (like PhoneAlarm, PocketShield).

I'm using the official rom only and have non fancy apps running or installed while I'm using the test bat program. As I speak the SD card is removed and celular radio is turned off.
Acording to program there is an indicator which is switching from -229ma to +78ma is that what its drawing of power?

Euroman28 said:
Acording to program there is an indicator which is switching from -229ma to +78ma is that what its drawing of power?
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+78ma??? That must mean you are charging the battery. The best way to test current draw is when it is only on the battery.
I get about -5ma draw on standby and it tops out at around 180ma when I have the screen on, but usually hovers around 130 - 150ma. I have my screen brightness at the lowest setting possible.
@OP, I wanted to say this earlier... great topic, very insightful.
I have a few suggestions for everyone posting in this thread. Let's try and get some common data together that is more tangible in order to give us a more similar & common perspective for these discussions.
I suggest the following
1) Soft Reset. Once the device is on, do not run ANY applications. In fact don't do anything except for following the below instructions.
2) Turn your screen brightness all the way DOWN! (Turn off Auto Backlight and manually set it to the lowest setting)
3) Check your power settings and make sure that while your phone is on battery, that it is set to dim the backlight after 30 seconds and turn off after 1 minute
*** I have attached 2 REG files below for both Backlight and Power. Please use them instad of doing it manually.***
4) Turn off all the radios (Phone, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth). Let's make our first round of tests with the Radio's off. Radio ON complicates things a bit as there are several applications to keep track of that use the Data Connection. I'll come up with a more comphrehensive list later so we can do the Radio ON tests.
Screenshots
Use a program like Shave&Save and get the following screenshots
1) Use any Task manager and get a screenshot of all the processes running. Sometimes the number of processes displayed is longer than the screen size can accomodate. Take 2 screenshots in this case making sure that you capture all processes. Edit the image with MS Paint or some other Image Program and attach it here as one image. See the example in the post below this one.
2) Goto \Windows\Startup and get a screenshot of the folder contents
3) If you are using Sense, drag the slider all the way to the end (settings) and goto About Phone. Goto Software Information and get a screenshot of that.
Monitoring the Battery
1) Make sure your phone is not connected to the charger or to the computer.
2) Open BattLog (can be found here), set the refresh rate to 1 second and Start Logging.
3) After you start the logging process do not touch the screen / the phone again for exactly 2 minutes.
TIME THIS with a stop watch. As soon as the 2 minutes it complete, turn the phone back on and stop the logging.
Information to post here
1) All the screenshots from above.
2) The current draw (both on standby and while active). Also, please attach the file that logged all the information in this format: Forum ID - BattLog - dd-mmm-yy.txt
3) ROM - Whose ROM? Release Date? Does it have Cookie's Home Tab Installed or any other MAJOR Sense Modifications.
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SAMPLE POST
HTC HD2 (T8585)
OS: WM 6.5
ROM: Energy * Build 21907 * Release 01.JULY.10 * CHT v1.8.5 - Dinik Edition
RADIO: 2.07.50.27_2
Current Draw (mA)
Idle: -3 to -7
Screen On (w/o Radios): -83 to -117

Those figures look normal to me. You should be getting about as good a battery life as a device like this can achieve.

Can anyone explain awful battery life?

Hi guys,
Found that I had awful battery life today, using Galaxy Pack live wallpaper, and autobrightness (+5)
Is this due to the live wallpaper or why else would I get this problem?
Battery stats posted
https://www.dropbox.com/s/11pe6ozrkhuqvi7/2014-06-11 17.20.21.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4gma8puz48ixa88/2014-06-11 17.20.15.png
not looking for solutions, just explanations,
Thanks!!

Task killer, clean master, antivirus??? Or batery should be old or broken.
Its battery live shorter than one day?

verny94 said:
Task killer, clean master, antivirus??? Or batery should be old or broken.
Its battery live shorter than one day?
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Not using any of these. New phone so doubt battery responsible. Do you think its the wallpaper? Just made it through one day at college.

ant2555 said:
Hi guys,
Found that I had awful battery life today, using Galaxy Pack live wallpaper, and autobrightness (+5)
Is this due to the live wallpaper or why else would I get this problem?
Battery stats posted
https://www.dropbox.com/s/11pe6ozrkhuqvi7/2014-06-11 17.20.21.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4gma8puz48ixa88/2014-06-11 17.20.15.png
not looking for solutions, just explanations,
Thanks!!
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That must be a really hard battery sucking wallpaper you got there mate. With only 2 h screen on I could last at least 2 days without charging.
Do you have s-voice on and wake up command? These were the only apps that consumed that much as I remember. Or did you run any battery consuming apps? It shouldn't be the wallpaper but you can still try yourself.
If you are on stock rom it could also be the KitKat update. I read a lot about it being pretty battery unfriendly.

4aces said:
That must be a really hard battery sucking wallpaper you got there mate. With only 2 h screen on I could last at least 2 days without charging.
Do you have s-voice on and wake up command? These were the only apps that consumed that much as I remember. Or did you run any battery consuming apps? It shouldn't be the wallpaper but you can still try yourself.
If you are on stock rom it could also be the KitKat update. I read a lot about it being pretty battery unfriendly.
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Im using https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maxelus.galaxypacklivewallpaper
Dont use s- voice or wake up command, but may have left apps running in RAM maybe. Battery has been 3 hours screen on most days so I dont know whats happened!

ant2555 said:
Im using https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maxelus.galaxypacklivewallpaper
Dont use s- voice or wake up command, but may have left apps running in RAM maybe. Battery has been 3 hours screen on most days so I dont know whats happened!
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Can you go one day without it and post your Battery stats? It's kinda hard to believe it is the wallpaper because:
1. Your screen was only on for 2-3 hours
2. The screen consumption is lower than Android OS and System
Does the wallpaper have any extra features?
Edit. Did you play or stay in the internet?

4aces said:
Can you go one day without it and post your Battery stats? It's kinda hard to believe it is the wallpaper because:
1. Your screen was only on for 2-3 hours
2. The screen consumption is lower than Android OS and System
Does the wallpaper have any extra features?
Edit. Did you play or stay in the internet?
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There are extra features, but I have turned these off.
Did use internet but not for long
I will try changing the wallpaper. Can't think what else it could be - my phone was warming up in my pocket, with nothing in recent apps. Also wouldn't a live wallpaper be included in OS and System rather than anywhere else?

ant2555 said:
There are extra features, but I have turned these off.
Did use internet but not for long
I will try changing the wallpaper. Can't think what else it could be - my phone was warming up in my pocket, with nothing in recent apps. Also wouldn't a live wallpaper be included in OS and System rather than anywhere else?
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It shouldn't be consuming when screen is off. Just checked mine:
4 hours on with screen consuming 47% and still 80% charged locked my phone consumes like 1% in 6 hours
(But I'm rooted and fully modded to your phones defense)
Edit. Unless you can say that it doesn't consume that much when not having the wallpaper I would guess it is a KitKat issue or your battery really has a problem
Final Question:
@ant2555 sorry I don't know since I was rooted since jelly bean I never had the chance to look into that. I just read a lot about it being a known 4.4.2 issue. The 4.4.3 update is said to get rid of that

4aces said:
It shouldn't be consuming when screen is off. Just checked mine:
4 hours on with screen consuming 47% and still 80% charged locked my phone consumes like 1% in 6 hours
(But I'm rooted and fully modded to your phones defense)
Edit. Unless you can say that it doesn't consume that much when not having the wallpaper I would guess it is a KitKat issue or your battery really has a problem
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Ok, I'll get back to you either tomorrow or the day after depending on results.
Final question for now, do you know what the common causes of "android system" using that much battery are?

I've been using that wallpaper for almost 4 months without a drain issue. It's not the wallpaper. (maxelus.net is one of the better wallpaper devs. You need not worry about these causing a drain.)
The wallpaper does have a setting for battery saving in its settings (all the way at the bottom as 'Battery. Wallpaper Speed'). Try turning that on.
From the looks of it, you have Sync turned on. Turn if off. (drag down the notidication bar and scroll to the Sync toggle.)
Also, turn off all location services (In settings and in Google Settings(that's an app)).
And try disabling all sounds under settings --> device --> Sounds --> system. (You can elave haptic feedback on if you want.)

Do you have an SD card in your phone?
I found that my Note 3 lasts longer without one. It might just be a problem with certain brands, but mine would heat up considerably and cause the indexing service to go into overdrive.
If you have an SD card, try running your phone without it for a little while and see if that makes a difference.

I discovered that after charging my phone a couple of times I get a false charge which can imitate battery drain, try this code *#0228# after hitting it click Quick Start, hope that helps, if not do a complete wipe for all apps and only download trusted ones. Good luck

Android is and kernel killing my battery. Don't know what has changed in last few days but I'm getting 5 to 8 hours on a full charge
Sent from my SM-N900V using XDA Free mobile app

columbo said:
Do you have an SD card in your phone?
I found that my Note 3 lasts longer without one. It might just be a problem with certain brands, but mine would heat up considerably and cause the indexing service to go into overdrive.
If you have an SD card, try running your phone without it for a little while and see if that makes a difference.
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Sorry for a few days, delay been doing some extensive testing. I tried without the SD card and my battery stats became even worse! See picture!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2tq6tqrm0z7klkr/2014-06-18 17.29.14.png
ShadowLea said:
I've been using that wallpaper for almost 4 months without a drain issue. It's not the wallpaper. (maxelus.net is one of the better wallpaper devs. You need not worry about these causing a drain.)
The wallpaper does have a setting for battery saving in its settings (all the way at the bottom as 'Battery. Wallpaper Speed'). Try turning that on.
From the looks of it, you have Sync turned on. Turn if off. (drag down the notidication bar and scroll to the Sync toggle.)
Also, turn off all location services (In settings and in Google Settings(that's an app)).
And try disabling all sounds under settings --> device --> Sounds --> system. (You can elave haptic feedback on if you want.)
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Yeah, Sync was turned on and I'll try turning it, and location services off (location was on power saver mode before)
However take a look at some of my battery stats they seem very odd.
One day they seem perfectly normal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0pprase2tqiwcq8/2014-06-12 22.38.17.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/11pe6ozrkhuqvi7/2014-06-11 17.20.21.png
and the next they seem awful with odd draining issues, and heating up in my pocket during the day. One possible cause I thought of was because the phone was on "increased touch sensitivity mode" so may have been turning itself on in my pocket all day.
Here are some bad days:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h0kmo7ppj0n1vc0/2014-06-17 20.13.24.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vlmsxhr3v6z2vl4/2014-06-17 20.29.34.png
and on a separate day: the previously mentioned: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2tq6tqrm0z7klkr/2014-06-18 17.29.14.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q2r5hyc5ji2ez32/2014-06-18 17.30.54.png

ant2555 said:
Sorry for a few days, delay been doing some extensive testing. I tried without the SD card and my battery stats became even worse! See picture!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2tq6tqrm0z7klkr/2014-06-18 17.29.14.png
Yeah, Sync was turned on and I'll try turning it, and location services off (location was on power saver mode before)
However take a look at some of my battery stats they seem very odd.
One day they seem perfectly normal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0pprase2tqiwcq8/2014-06-12 22.38.17.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/11pe6ozrkhuqvi7/2014-06-11 17.20.21.png
and the next they seem awful with odd draining issues, and heating up in my pocket during the day. One possible cause I thought of was because the phone was on "increased touch sensitivity mode" so may have been turning itself on in my pocket all day.
Here are some bad days:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h0kmo7ppj0n1vc0/2014-06-17 20.13.24.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vlmsxhr3v6z2vl4/2014-06-17 20.29.34.png
and on a separate day: the previously mentioned: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2tq6tqrm0z7klkr/2014-06-18 17.29.14.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q2r5hyc5ji2ez32/2014-06-18 17.30.54.png
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Ahh, Google Services. That annoying bugger again. It's been causing problems on several devices.
What you can try:
Google Settings > Ads > turn on "Opt out of interest-based ads"
Disable back up under Settings > Backup & reset > uncheck "Back up my data".
Turn off Google Now.
And you can try uninstalling the recent updates to Google Play Services under settings > Applicationmanager > All > Google Play Services. Force stop, clear data, clear cache and uninstall updates (be sure to turn off auto update apps in Google Play Store first or it'll come back nearly instantly).

A temporary fix for battery drain.

By now, most of you know there is a problem with battery drainage on the Snapdragon version. I along with many other people have fixed this by doing the following steps:
1. Clear Cache
2. Factory Reset
3. Opt out of all background reporting to Google and Samsung. (Google Location is okay)
4. Don't update any of the pre-installed apps through the play store that your not going to use.
5. Turn off auto update in the pay store.
6. Disable any app you don't want in the application settings.
7. Set location settings to GPS only.
8. Set WiFi to sleep when the screen is off or stay awake only when charging.
9. Turn off WiFi and Bluetooth scanning.
Last but not least DO NOT use an SD card unless your phone doesn't have the ejection bug. Every time you see the SD notification your phone is scanning the SD card. This can use a lot of power in the background as it wakes up the phone and doesn't allow it to go into its deep sleep state.
Also make sure you set it up as a new device instead of copying information from an old phone.
(Some are also reporting an improvement by just turning off Google and Samsung background reporting without even doing a factory reset.)
(Also DO NOT disable any packages using a package disabler app) Just disable apps you don't want through the application settings. I along with many others have reported worse battery life after disabling some of the packages.
For those of you (1 of you) saying this is pure snake oil, the following screenshots make for some compelling proof that it is not.
The first set of screenshots are of my battery performance before taking these steps and then some screenshots after taking these steps.

I've also disabled scanning for nearby devices, since my environment doesn't have any I can or want to connect to 98% of the time (and it can/will wake the WiFi w/o charging battery use to WiFi IIRC).
SM-G935A (US AT&T):
Settings > Connections > More connection Settings > Nearby device scanning > Off

I followed these steps this morning. I got excited when I saw in GSam that it was held awake for 0 seconds but since then it's still showing me held awake. Perhaps something I'm installing, I do notice screenwise is much higher for battery drain now. I drained a lot installing a ton of new apps so I can't go by anything yet but it seems the battery is more steadily depleting and losing less while idle. I'm interested in seeing how it performs after I go through this first cycle. Here's some screens
after reset SOT 1:47 58% left
before SOT 5:33 2% left
see how it seems to be more steady now, maybe I'm imagining it.

This post is snake oil.
Any 'fix' that starts with "clear cache" is not a fix.

nobnut said:
Any 'fix' that starts with "clear cache" is not a fix.
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I think that may be throwing out the baby with the bath water ... I don't know whether the cache has a direct effect or not, but the other settings seem to have a measurable impact.

jrwingate6 said:
By now, most of you know there is a problem with battery drainage on the Snapdragon version. I along with many other people have fixed this by doing the following steps:
1. Clear Cache
2. Factory Reset
3. Opt out of all background reporting to Google and Samsung. (Google Location is okay)
4. Don't update any of the pre-installed apps through the play store that your not going to use.
5. Turn off auto update in the pay store.
6. Disable any app you don't want in the application settings.
7. Set location settings to GPS only.
8. Set WiFi to sleep when the screen is off or stay awake only when charging.
9. Turn off WiFi and Bluetooth scanning.
Last but not least DO NOT use an SD card unless your phone doesn't have the ejection bug. Every time you see the SD notification your phone is scanning the SD card. This can use a lot of power in the background as it wakes up the phone and doesn't allow it to go into its deep sleep state.
Also make sure you set it up as a new device instead of copying information from an old phone.
(Some are also reporting an improvement by just turning off Google and Samsung background reporting without even doing a factory reset.)
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I wonder the true reason. I tried those steps before and that does not do the trick for me. Also, Bluetooth will sometimes just decide to eat 5% of the battery for no reason. However, the phone I get for my girlfriend (gold color, I got silver), without any adjustment out of the box can just get great battery life. Like without turn off anything. GPS is high accuracy, everything you mentioned in the post she has it on the regular setting, wifi on all the time, scanning device. The battery just keep doing great for her but terrible for me. I'm so confused regarding to this issue. Then I also tried package disabler on her phone, and it's still doing great.

nobnut said:
This post is snake oil.
Any 'fix' that starts with "clear cache" is not a fix.
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Clearing the cache may do nothing at all. I am just sharing the steps I took to improve my battery life. You're right though. Clearing the cache most likely is not what fixed it.
The other things I have listed though (especially opting out of the Google background reporting) has improved mine and others battery life immensely. Many people have reported much better battery life after disabling the background reporting.
Like I said, I'm just listing what I did to improve my battery from draining 18% overnight in standby to only losing 2% overnight in standby.

The "fix" is to change to exynos
(Just messing guys ?)

johanbiff said:
The "fix" is to change to exynos
(Just messing guys ��)
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Wish I could man. I don't really like buying phones out right anymore ever since getting Jump On Demand through T-Mobile. Having 3 upgrades a year without paying anything upfront is awesome.

jrwingate6 said:
Wish I could man. I don't really like buying phones out right anymore ever since getting Jump On Demand through T-Mobile. Having 3 upgrades a year without paying anything upfront is awesome.
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Yeah I understand. It really is to bad that it has this drain, hopefully they will patch it over soon with a fix for you u.s guys.

johanbiff said:
Yeah I understand. It really is to bad that it has this drain, hopefully they will patch it over soon with a fix for you u.s guys.
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I like the phone a lot so I'm hoping as well. If they don't have it patched by the time the G5 and HTC 10 get here, I still have 1 upgrade left until July so I may take advantage of it and get one of those two.

You most be talking about the s7 because my edge is great it's been off charge for 12hrs and my battery is at 75%

techrider6262 said:
You most be talking about the s7 because my edge is great it's been off charge for 12hrs and my battery is at 75%
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Nope....We are in the Edge forums. If you haven't seen. Many are having battery problems with the Snapdragon version of the Edge. There are many threads you can check out here.
Now I am getting great battery life but I had to put up with terrible battery life for nearly 5 days.

I have att edge and my battery life has been super impressive I didn't do much either just disabled couple apps screen 40% auto bright wifi BT always on location when I need I been averaging 7 1/2 hour sot, kinda reminds me when I me and my wife had g2 I had amazing battery life and my wife's phone sucked ass, I feel like some phones are duds

Anyway to turn of the background reporting without doing a factory reset?

I did the steps above last night and today is my first day. To be honest it seems similar to before but I will give it some time. My WiFi is always taking 50%+ on gsam even before. Any fix for this?

gainstatom said:
I did the steps above last night and today is my first day. To be honest it seems similar to before but I will give it some time. My WiFi is always taking 50%+ on gsam even before. Any fix for this?
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Looks like you have the WiFi bug. I had it as well when I disabled a bunch of packages. Have you disabled any packages?
Also, you could try changing the way your WiFi sleeps. Try changing it to only staying on when charging.
There is no way your WiFi should be using that much power.

Willyman said:
Anyway to turn of the background reporting without doing a factory reset?
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This. Anyone?

JGoldz75 said:
This. Anyone?
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Yes. Go to:
Settings - Applications - Google
Click on the 3 dots in the upper right corner and then go to Usage and Diagnostics.
For the Samsung reporting it is under the Privacy section in your settings menu.
Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

jrwingate6 said:
Looks like you have the WiFi bug. I had it as well when I disabled a bunch of packages. Have you disabled any packages?
Also, you could try changing the way your WiFi sleeps. Try changing it to only staying on when charging.
There is no way your WiFi should be using that much power.
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Yeah I disabled almost all the packages. Do I have to enable some?