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There is a problem with our battery life and we all know its true... I have even been given a new battery and HTC mains charger
I turn off any service im not using at the time (ie: wifi, BT, GPS, NETGPS,etc) not that I should have to do this, but lets story on track...
My battery will make about 1 day as I am A "power user" but if its not plugged in I wont have the juice for my alarm to wake me up, my wifes Sony Ericsson lasts 4-5 days per charge, but lets not compare apples and oranges, the whi-phone 3g my sister has sahe bought it about the same times as my g1, she hadn't ever heard of "deep cycling" 2-5 times when you get a new phone, she never lets it discharge fully and just tops off all the time, AFAIK she is treating a NIMH cell exactly the wrong way, BUT SHE GETS 1-3 DAYS depending on the type of use, and never turns off ANY of the 3g, gps, net gps, wifi, BT nada and Id say she uses hers alot because its her primary camera, GPS & A/V player
my question is WHY?
Im sure there must be somebody involved with the development of this phone/OS that reads thru here, since there is more exciting stuff coming from XDA than there is the market...
Im gonna add a poll that pertains to battery use...
I wanted to add one very negative one but hit submit not preview, maybe just post and dont vote if none apply..
they better come off a new battery almost all other new phones will get 1-2 day + average use, Ive had phones that could go 3-4. but the state of the art G1 mindblowing innovative phone wont even work a whole day, so what if its bigger than the whi-phone, it has no keyboard.
I for one would like to hear some solid info on a replacement battery and back, for new and existing G1 users, early adopters got the fuzzy end of the lollipop on the HTC->headphone jack adapter I got the headphones with the htc angled adapter from fleabay, so many manufactures stick it to the early adopter, when we are the ones that get the word of mouth going, as people go "WOW that thing is cool!,what is it?! they know when we bought out phones and should be able to figure out when the head phone rev change was made, so send them to the first of the buyers....
IF the battery issue isnt fixed, alot of people will be very angry and the g1 will flop.
I think the bad press is starting to out weigh the good press the G1 and possibly android as a whole is at a crossroad. If the g1 tanks Android will be stained forever...thankfully enuff I dont think XDA-DEV would give up on this badboy, I love this thing, and I love it for what it can be
BhanG

Well stated sir.

HTC/Google need to fix battery problems in G1. Maybe it's soft bug, but maybe it's a hardware bug - Nobody knows

I dunno. With normal use, I get about 12 hours or more from my stock battery. That's about the same as other HTC phones I've had.

there is a battery issue and we are al aware of it.
i have managed to have it last through out the day
just set the brightness to the lowest possible, sleep time to 15 secs
turn off data and wifi and anything else that you are not using
its not how the phone was intended to be used, but it's what i ave to do for now

I find it fine for everyday use. Of course I haven't done a full test but maybe tomorrow I will.

I would like to use my G1 like I use my WinMo but no way I can with the battery.

bhang said:
IF the battery issue isnt fixed, alot of people will be very angry and the g1 will flop.
I think the bad press is starting to out weigh the good press the G1 and possibly android as a whole is at a crossroad. If the g1 tanks Android will be stained forever.
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I think you're exaggerating here a little bit. The battery life, while it got press at first, has faded from the limelight of android news for the general population. The G1 is already far from a flop and I don’t think there’s going to be a sudden mass return of all the handsets sold.
Let’s face it living on the cutting edge means you will get cut sometimes. Your high expectations will not always be met and manufacturers will frequently not care. The battery life is less than what many people expected, but we’ve learned to deal with it. At least we have options (power management, backup batteries, and expanded capacity batteries), but I’d not hold my breath on HTC making any major moves. How long has the issue been going with the TYTN II drivers anyway?

bhang said:
BUT SHE GETS 1-3 DAYS depending on the type of use, and never turns off ANY of the 3g, gps, net gps, wifi, BT nada
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I have no idea what kind of use gets 1-3 days, but it certainly isn't 3G web browsing. Most iPhone 3G battery life tests clock 3G data use at about 3-5 hours. Based on my own usage of a friend's iPhone 3G, that seems to be about right. Coincidentally my G1 gets about 3-5 hours of 3G data use as well.
Frankly, from an engineer's point of view I have not seen any power drain tests conducted with enough rigor and variable control to be worthy of being called a truly scientific analysis. Even the best "battery life tests" out there aren't declaring what type of testing environment (los and distance to closest 3G tower), what background apps are installed, ambient temperature (which affects the battery discharge profile), etc. Without considering and removing these variables from the test, deviation could be as high as... well there's no fixing the percentage really. It's all just junk data.

I do notice after I installed Task Manager, to close out programs I am not using my battery life went up. There are a lot of un needed start up apps.

TimSykes said:
There are a lot of un needed start up apps.
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Care to give some examples? Im curious to see what runs on startup that isnt needed.

QUOTE jashsu
I have no idea what kind of use gets 1-3 days, but it certainly isn't 3G web browsing. Most iPhone 3G battery life tests clock 3G data use at about 3-5 hours. Based on my own usage of a friend's iPhone 3G, that seems to be about right. Coincidentally my G1 gets about 3-5 hours of 3G data use as well.
Yep my friend has iphone and we did test last weekend, both went 3 hours and change then died. If i dont use internet and set timeout and brightness down plus use task manager mine will go as long as my dash. I personally dont care about the battery life, i have a computer, home charger and car charger and i drive for a living so if it gets low no biggie. In my opinion i dont see android going anywhere and i love the g1. Just like wm its gonna take time to get off the ground. To say its at a crossroads is ridiculous.

I am using ADP1.1 and yea if I am browsing the net with 3G for 3-5 hours straight I start seeing the battery go down. But from 100% to 0% takes me longer than 5 hours. I know because I like to lay in bed and don't care to come check my messages LOL

I bought a G1 last week and so far I have been really dissapointed. After having an elf and seeing other htc phones I was expecting big things from the G1.
I am now a week into ownership and after 5 full charge - discharge cycles I am managing to get 24 hours out of the phone with next to no use what so ever. If i check my emails and do 30 mins browsing the phone is dead in 6 or less.
The hardware is simply put 'very poor' my screen is wobbly and the back is loose, all this after just a week.
As for android, it is fantastic everything I expected (except hotmail support) and there is no way it is going to flop. Its just a shame that google and htc didn't wait until they had the right phone for the job.
Thats just my 10p worth!!

Dharkaron said:
Care to give some examples? Im curious to see what runs on startup that isnt needed.
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It all depends on what you have installed. for me the start up is. I beleve amazon does too, but I uninstalled that. But the first thing I do is go into task manager and kill everything. And only like two things auto start up. I really with HTC built in a x-button app for android. I loved the click x for close.
myFaves
messaging
voice dialer
calendar
Alarm clock
k-9
woot checker
tunewiki
gmail

Under light usage I get about 36 hours from full charge to shutdown. That's GPS on, Bluetooth on, Autosync on, periodically doing e-mail and web browsing.
Under heavy usage (Which is basically I listened to MP3s for 2 hours) it goes at least 17 hours before I plug it back in. I haven't tested but I'd bet it could go 20 or more.
That's as good as (or better) than I was getting on the Wizard/MDA.

I dunno if anyone has stated it but the problem with the battery has to do with the phone recieving the cell signal. For some reason the phone runs in overload when searching for a cell signal...I noticed this one day when T-Mo suspended my service and my battery meter never moved all day, I think by night it was down to 85-90%...sure enough that night when I paid my bill and the phone started picking up signal again, the battery depleted at "normal" speed.

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Preech2003 said:
This extended battery barely increases the size of the phone...
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so exactly how much is "barely"? care to give side by side comparison shots?

dubstar_04 said:
As for android, it is fantastic everything I expected (except hotmail support) and there is no way it is going to flop. Its just a shame that google and htc didn't wait until they had the right phone for the job.
Thats just my 10p worth!!
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Why do i keep hearing that there is no hotmail support? Android (and G1) works with hotmail just fine! Just go to the Email program and set it up. WHY!! .. I am having connection errors sometimes though..
Battery is a big issue. Never had any luck with it.. EVER.. just unplugged it and after about 1+ hour it's down to 66%. Played a game (slide puzzle) watched 2 youtube vids of about 3 minutes each. And I had it fully drained and recharged a couple of times in the beginning. It didn't even took 10 minutes to drop from 100% to 89%.. But I was on wifi.. Maybe this is normal.
Software has a lot to do with this I think. Yesterday I had about 50-60% left. Did something, can't remember what, opening programs or music. And closed it. After 5 minutes I checked and battery was hot and had drained to orange level. I checked with task manager and only calendar/messaging/tunewiki/music was on. I closed all and restarted the phone, cuz it was still hot. Luckily it lasted a few hours till I got home, with very carefull use..

Battery Life

Just wondering what battery life people are getting from their N1, considering an N1 or Desire v buying another HD2 on contract but would prefer a better battery life than I got on the HD2,

Not totally related to the OP... I'm considering getting the Desire/N1 from AT&T or Verizon (if and when they get them) Using the current state-of-the-art technology in these new phones.... is it still the case that CDMA consumes more battery power than GSM?

You guys know that you can do a search right? anyway I've been on wifi all night with light usage. So far its been 12hrs and I'm at 65%.

ram130 said:
You guys know that you can do a search right? anyway I've been on wifi all night with light usage. So far its been 12hrs and I'm at 65%.
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Maybe I searched in the wrong places in the xda forum. I searched in the Imagio forum which is the only HTC world phone currently using CDMA & GSM, but there was nothing specific to the battery life of GSM vs CDMA in those threads. I also searched under the TP2. I know that the the CDMA N1 has yet to be released, so was looking for battery life information related to recent CDMA phones models which are also available in GSM... like the TP2. Maybe you found a CDMA vs GSM battery life thread that I missed, can you point me to it?

tamanaco said:
Maybe I searched in the wrong places in the xda forum. I searched in the Imagio forum which is the only HTC world phone currently using CDMA & GSM, but there was nothing specific to the battery life of GSM vs CDMA in those threads. I also searched under the TP2. I know that the the CDMA N1 has yet to be released, so was looking for battery life information related to recent CDMA phones models which are also available in GSM... like the TP2. Maybe you found a CDMA vs GSM battery life thread that I missed, can you point me to it?
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Nope didn't see one here. Just saying to do that first. As for the CDMA I suggest you search else where because no one gonna know an answer for CDMA vs GSM in an N1 thread. You can just wait til its released, the phone ain't gonna go anywhere you know, it will be available after a month of release too.

Getting approx 48 hrs with standard use (bit of surfing, email, txt's few calls bit of music on the way into work etc).
Decent 3G coverage at work and wifi at home, phone rarely has to hunt for signal.
Phone was charged last night and is showing 89% remaining - unplugged since ~ 7am thismorning.
Screen usually sits at the lowest brightness which is fine for indoor use.
I found a HUGE difference in battery life switching chargers. Originally used the supplied USB lead via a cheapy charger adapter thingy (how techincal! - it's the ones which allow you to plug in a USB lead and charge your phone)
Now switched to the charger which came with my bluetooth headset and that's helped no end with battery life. A full charge takes MUCH longer (usually ok as its charged overnight) so that maybe something to do with it.

My battery life was awesome for the first couple days, but now its just sucks... I lost 3 percent while it was just sitting on my pocket on my drive to work.
Yesterday I played Homerun 3D for 2 hours also and went from a 100% charge to 62%.
But mine is rooted, has the baked goods rom, and an auto rotating launcher with 7 screens while the brightness is always at 100%. Yea I guess you can say I'm a power user

I leave wifi on all the time and am getting 60+ hours of life out of it before a recharge. 3g is a battery killer .. roughly 18 hours with 3g on the entire time.

ram130 said:
Nope didn't see one here. Just saying to do that first. As for the CDMA I suggest you search else where because no one gonna know an answer for CDMA vs GSM in an N1 thread. You can just wait til its released, the phone ain't gonna go anywhere you know, it will be available after a month of release too.
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I see... I was looking for a "General" answer given the state-of-the-art of GSM and CDMA "HTC" smartphones as it relate to battery consumption. So the question still remains... given that xda is the forum where HTC smartphones are widely discussed I believe that posting the question here was adequate. The N1 is an HTC that uses components similar to other HTC phones. You might not think so... but we'll have to disagree on that.
EDIT: Btw, the question came to mind because a NYTimes article last week states that CDMA consumes more battery life than GSM. I recall this being the case in the past, but not sure if this is the case now-a-days. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/11/technology/11basics.html

To update - still at ~ 40%, no overnight charge. Moderate use last night.

This question is terribly subjective to the user/location. As one person point out, WIFI is more efficient then 3g, so some people see a huge advantage here.
My building also gets HORRID service, so my phone is constantly trying to find a signal which kills any phone battery
I think one cuold easily make the general statement that no this does not have the battery life of a blackberry, but the battery life is more then adequate. You can easily tailor your use to whether a charger is near.
If i know I cant charge it, I either carry a 2nd battery or take a few steps to save life. I turn my screen down(I like full brightness), clock the CPU down to 883, you could even turn off 3g networks unless you need Data for some reason. It would not be too hard to get this thing to 48 hours with normal talking/texting/some light browsing etc..
I am very impressed with the battery life overall.

seanowns said:
This question is terribly subjective to the user/location. As one person point out, WIFI is more efficient then 3g, so some people see a huge advantage here.
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Let me qualify my question a bit more... Assuming that the signal strength from both CDMA and GSM sources are either at "optimal levels" or at "similar low levels" and using the "same model" state-of-the-art Smartphone... Will the battery of the Smartphone using CDMA, last longer than the same model Smartphone using GSM?
As it relates to the N1... I understand that when the N1 from Verizon comes out that folks will be able to compare the performance of its features against the performance of the same features on the t-mobile N1.

tamanaco said:
I see... I was looking for a "General" answer given the state-of-the-art of GSM and CDMA "HTC" smartphones as it relate to battery consumption. So the question still remains... given that xda is the forum where HTC smartphones are widely discussed I believe that posting the question here was adequate. The N1 is an HTC that uses components similar to other HTC phones. You might not think so... but we'll have to disagree on that.
EDIT: Btw, the question came to mind because a NYTimes article last week states that CDMA consumes more battery life than GSM. I recall this being the case in the past, but not sure if this is the case now-a-days. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/11/technology/11basics.html
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I'm curious about it too. I think you should create a thread with the title instead. That way when you get an answer others searching for it can find it easy.
Highland3r said:
Getting approx 48 hrs with standard use (bit of surfing, email, txt's few calls bit of music on the way into work etc).
Decent 3G coverage at work and wifi at home, phone rarely has to hunt for signal.
Phone was charged last night and is showing 89% remaining - unplugged since ~ 7am thismorning.
Screen usually sits at the lowest brightness which is fine for indoor use.
I found a HUGE difference in battery life switching chargers. Originally used the supplied USB lead via a cheapy charger adapter thingy (how techincal! - it's the ones which allow you to plug in a USB lead and charge your phone)
Now switched to the charger which came with my bluetooth headset and that's helped no end with battery life. A full charge takes MUCH longer (usually ok as its charged overnight) so that maybe something to do with it.
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What was the name of that bluetooth adapter? better yet what are the specs on the charger?
jz9833 said:
My battery life was awesome for the first couple days, but now its just sucks... I lost 3 percent while it was just sitting on my pocket on my drive to work.
Yesterday I played Homerun 3D for 2 hours also and went from a 100% charge to 62%.
But mine is rooted, has the baked goods rom, and an auto rotating launcher with 7 screens while the brightness is always at 100%. Yea I guess you can say I'm a power user
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I leave wifi on all the time and am getting 60+ hours of life out of it before a recharge. 3g is a battery killer .. roughly 18 hours with 3g on the entire time.
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Guys, help me out here. I hardly even pass 12hrs with light usage on 3G with automatic brightness. Man what the hell are you guys doing to get such good battery life??? Did you charge the phone on the first day without turning it on? do you charge it off?? come on, I'm so angry that I got HTC to send me a new battery which should be here shortly. So any tips can help me out here.
I use wifi at home now, get like 14hrs, but with battery tools I get 20hrs last night. But there is something obviously wrong with my phone here. So please help me out here
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To update - still at ~ 40%, no overnight charge. Moderate use last night.
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..wanna switch batteries

ram130 said:
I'm curious about it too. I think you should create a thread with the title instead. That way when you get an answer others searching for it can find it easy.
What was the name of that bluetooth adapter? better yet what are the specs on the charger?
Guys, help me out here. I hardly even pass 12hrs with light usage on 3G with automatic brightness. Man what the hell are you guys doing to get such good battery life??? Did you charge the phone on the first day without turning it on? do you charge it off?? come on, I'm so angry that I got HTC to send me a new battery which should be here shortly. So any tips can help me out here.
I use wifi at home now, get like 14hrs, but with battery tools I get 20hrs last night. But there is something obviously wrong with my phone here. So please help me out here
..wanna switch batteries
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my battery life is not what I would like to call great, but compared to some of these stories I guess I'm getting better than most.
The single biggest thing to help battery life is to have your phone rooted and use SetCPU to make a profile to not allow the processor to clock above 500 MHz when on standby.
Before all of you go crazy and say "OMG jz9833 I bought a 1 GHz snapdragon to run at 1 GHz" calm down. The droid runs at 600 MHz so when your screen is off why not have it run at speeds around the same as a droid? This helps.

jz9833 said:
my battery life is not what I would like to call great, but compared to some of these stories I guess I'm getting better than most.
The single biggest thing to help battery life is to have your phone rooted and use SetCPU to make a profile to not allow the processor to clock above 500 MHz when on standby.
Before all of you go crazy and say "OMG jz9833 I bought a 1 GHz snapdragon to run at 1 GHz" calm down. The droid runs at 600 MHz so when your screen is off why not have it run at speeds around the same as a droid? This helps.
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Well im om stock so that aint gonna work for me. Thanks for the info tho. When I get root it will be the first thing to do.

Nexus One Battery Life vs iPhone 3gS/4G

Earlier this year, I was a huge Android fan. I had a rooted G1 with a different firmware every week. My Dream ended when I realized that the battery was lasting me not more than 5-6 hours, even with very light use. This was after swapping out batteries/phones. Also, for working out, I needed a good music player. Android's default one needed a LOT of improvements.
So, when my friend brought over his iPhone, I decided to give it a try. I bought an iPhone 3GS from craigslist. Jailbroke and Unlocked it. The battery was lasting me more than a day, even after watching more than an hour of TED.com talks, and listening to an hour of music. The ipod functionality was amazing with the volume/music controls in the earphones.
Then, I accidentally updated my phone to the latest firmware... which cannot be unlocked. So I'm back to using my G1.
So, the question still stands.. Is Froyo on Nexus One better in battery performance and iPod functionality of iPhone 3GS. Especially with the upcoming iPhone 4G, we can be sure that Apple will increase the battery life of iPhone (as they've done with all previous updates)?

I get a lot better battery life with Froyo then on my 3GS to be honest. Also, as far as the music functionality goes, why do you think its so bad? If you dislike the interface, then you can download a alternate option from the Market. But for me, as long as it plays the songs, view/edit playlists and browse the music I am good to go.

i got slightly less battery life from my Nexus with 3G turned off compared to my jailbroken 3GS.
normally ended up with about 10% less battery at the end of the day compared to my IPhone and similar usage.
the Nexus was stone stock.

Thanks for the replies...
To answer the question about music interface... I think the ipod interface is much smoother than anything i've seen in Android (please suggest something in case I might've missed it). As I mentioned before, I use the earphone controls A LOT.. and am not sure if Nexus One will offer the same functionality.
Battery life is a huge issue for me. As I said, my usage on iPhone was pretty heavy. Let me lay it out here -- this is with Edge.. Push On.. and Location On.
- 1.5 hrs music
- 1 hr video (Ted talks podcast)
- 1.5 hr phone calls
- 2 hr games
- 3 hr Wifi on
With this kinda usage, my iPhone would have 15-20% battery left by end of the day (midnight usually)...
Does your Nexus One match that or is better?
( I'd love to switch to Nexus, if battery is a non-issue... love the Google integration!)

Battery life is across the board on the N1 for some reason. People will have the same set up and get very different kinds of battery life. I know I've never been happy with the battery life of the phone.
A good music player is ³. Cubed. I like it. I recommend the Nexus One if you get the 2 batteries and external battery charger for 20 bucks deal off of eBay. Maybe life will increase but until then having an arsenal of batteries solves my problem.

Ok, I guess I'm back to 8th grade, basic math. Let's calculate. And because you could have just looked in the specs and done the math yourself, I'm not going to look there, and if I bring the wrong numbers - so be it.
1.5 hr of music is almost nothing. Music is optimized for very low battery usage - 20 hr of listening or so. Let's say, 5% off battery.
Wifi on is nothing. You can keep it on for as long as you like, you actually save battery - it turns off 3G/HSDPA and uses WiFi data.
1.5 hr phone calls out of ~6 hours spec ~= 25% battery off.
1 hr video out of 5 hr spec ~= 20% off.
2 hr games are quite destructive. Both CPU activity and display. Let's say, another 25-30% off.
You're left with approx. 15-20%. Surprised?
Oh wait... It figures, no? Do you think one of those systems is going to be significantly inferior in terms of battery life? You don't think Samsung and Qualcomm know their stuff well enough?
Ah, and the difference is going to show if you use Android power and load it with zillion auto-updating and auto-syncing widgets, that'll chew on your CPU idle time and use up your network power.
[edit] That's exactly the reason for varying battery life between users, as the poster above noted. People use their phone differently, and unlike iPhone, it can perform a lot of things simultaneously, without you even noticing (it's enough that you installed auto-syncing widget and made it sync once in 5 min with a good amount of data, for example) - and it'll cost you battery life. Control what you're running, and you'll get more out of the battery.

I came from an iPhone 3G to the Nexus One and the battery life does seem worse. it's always hard to compare because I do more with my Nexus One. My gut feeling though is even if my usage is similar to what I would have done with my iPhone, the Nexus One just uses more power. Part of that may be the higher res screen. Battery usage almost always shows the display as the biggest user of my battery.
I recently have been having worse than normal battery life. I'm not sure if it's due to upgrading to Froyo or if it is because I turned Latitude on. If it's Latitude, then it's really frustrating that the Battery Usage area doesn't list Latitude as using my battery. Kind of makes that a pointless feature if things just get hidden under names like "Android System".
I also agree with you on the Android music player. I use it, and it's not terrible, but the iPod app on the iPhone is just much easier to quickly get to the music you want to play. Also the Genius features are really well done. Someone suggested Cubed. I found it gives a really good first impression but once you use it you realize it's actually just flashy and it functions awful. As far as I can tell there's no way to quickly find and play a single song with it.

Battery life for 3gs is better than nexus..

For my usage the battery life on Froyo is about twice as good as the battery on 3GS. Granted, I listen to slacker radio while browse websites for about 2 hours a day and the multitasking on android is much more natural than the jailbreak alternative.

tantrix said:
Thanks for the replies...
To answer the question about music interface... I think the ipod interface is much smoother than anything i've seen in Android (please suggest something in case I might've missed it). As I mentioned before, I use the earphone controls A LOT.. and am not sure if Nexus One will offer the same functionality.
Battery life is a huge issue for me. As I said, my usage on iPhone was pretty heavy. Let me lay it out here -- this is with Edge.. Push On.. and Location On.
- 1.5 hrs music
- 1 hr video (Ted talks podcast)
- 1.5 hr phone calls
- 2 hr games
- 3 hr Wifi on
With this kinda usage, my iPhone would have 15-20% battery left by end of the day (midnight usually)...
Does your Nexus One match that or is better?
( I'd love to switch to Nexus, if battery is a non-issue... love the Google integration!)
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I am not altogether sure you aren't just trolling. There isn't any way to give a definitive answer to this question, but I'll give you my experience.
No new N1 user is going to say he gets good battery life. You won't want to shut the screen off for the first week.
Now, I can get a day and a half out of my battery on a stock rom if I don't sync absolutely everything frequently, I use wifi when it's available, keeping radios I am not using off and basically, being mindful of power use. I use it frequently, but not constantly. And if I am away from a charger, I have an inexpensive spare battery that I can change all by myself without any special tools all the while sending SJ a FU via ESP.

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I am not altogether sure you aren't just trolling. There isn't any way to give a definitive answer to this question, but I'll give you my experience.
No new N1 user is going to say he gets good battery life. You won't want to shut the screen off for the first week.
Now, I can get a day and a half out of my battery on a stock rom if I don't sync absolutely everything frequently, I use wifi when it's available, keeping radios I am not using off and basically, being mindful of power use. I use it frequently, but not constantly. And if I am away from a charger, I have an inexpensive spare battery that I can change all by myself without any special tools all the while sending SJ a FU via ESP.
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Thanks for all the inputs...
Lemme get first thing straight.. I have NO intentions of trolling No harm intended. When I bought the iPhone, EVERYONE I know was immensely surprised. I was (and still am) a spokesperson for Android. I love the apps. Maybe thats a reason that we all install so many widgets/apps which use data.... So many are available for free!! and awesome ones too.. for example.. I'd kill for the News and Weather app to be in iPhone.. but its not...
As I said in the original post.. a big chunk of my criteria is battery life.. second big chunk is music... I guess I'm sad that no Android phone yet can beat the battery life that an average iPhone user gets... I was hoping by releasing Froyo, google would change that (hence this thread)...
Trust me guys.. I live by my gmail.. would rather have everything centered around it... than having apple control my life... just dont wanna carry around extra batteries.. like i had to for my g1...

Intersectraven kernels with any nexus one Rom gives me the best battery. Rite now I'm on froyo and have lasted more than 20 hours with the kernel.
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Now that I'm using my nexus normally, I'm getting good battery life. 12 hours of solid usage.

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Intersectraven kernels with any nexus one Rom gives me the best battery. Rite now I'm on froyo and have lasted more than 20 hours with the kernel.
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Which of Raven's kernel are you using?
I have a iPhone 2G and it beats my N1 on battery but not considerably.. I read that the 2G is teh king while 3G is the worse of the three iPhones. 3GS is slight better than 3G.

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Something that people keep mentioning but seems to keep getting overlooked when people compare any device running Android to the Almighty iPhone...
Multitasking. Takes. More. Power.
Being able to run 5 or so apps in the background (along with all the automated syncing that's happening on the network-data side of things) is going to drain the battery more than doing one thing at a time on Apple's product.
When your iPhone is able to effectively multitask, come back and then you can compare the battery life.
Quite simply, Android lets you do more than you could ever possibly do on the iPhone platform. It gives you the option (free will - unheard of on the Apple side of things!) to run a handful of apps simultaneously. This, naturally, uses more power as the processor is doing more. This is not rocket science, people. You choose to do more, so accept the power penalty. Or, you can be mindful of your battery usage and manage things appropriately to get a significant battery life improvement. It's your choice!
And if you still don't get enough battery life out of this more powerful, more capable device, as attn1 pointed out, there is absolutely nothing to stop you from getting an inexpensive spare battery that can be swapped into the phone in under a minute (INCLUDING the time it takes to shut down and power back up).
Trying to compare any recent Android device to Apple's iPhone is like comparing my gaming notebook to my old TI-84 graphing calculator - which did get much better battery life than my current Asus G72 notebook.

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Battery life for 3gs is better than nexus..
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For me it's nexus that wins 3gs easily. my iphone with small use 1 day nexus with hevy use 1 day.

Some backstory.
Paul's Froyo.
Tweaked Kernel.
Home++
Sync off
Widgets: Facebook (no notification), ³ medium, Google Search, Power Control, News and Weather (12 hour refresh)
Screen set to auto brightness
Went to bed with 98% charge at 11:30pm.
Alarm goes off at 5am. 93%
Check Facebook. Turn on sync. Browse xda on default browser. 89%
Get on the metro.
Browse the internet.
Read a few news articles in the news widget.
Listen to music with Bluetooth headphones for 20 minutes or so.
Browse xda some more.
Download the latest 925 cfs kernel from ir's thread.
By 7:14 I'm at 64% charge.
In 2 hours doing what I noted here I lose close to half my battery?! That's laughabad.

It's amazing how all over the place the returns are.
I have owned the following phones in the last three years :
iPhone 2G
iPhone 3G
BlackBerry Bold
iPhone 3GS* (borrowed for 2 weeks to see if I wanted to go back...)
Milestone
Nexus One
I, personally, got the best battery life out of the iPhone 2G - I got three days out of it, consistently. BUT, I did not have an unlimited data plan, I did not use it for mail, I always got apps from the store over WiFi, I never streamed music, video or anything else. I had no RSS reader. I listened to some music, played the OCCASIONAL game, sent some texts and made a few calls.
Next would be the Bold. I POUNDED that thing and ALWAYS got at least 2 days out of it. I would send dozens of SMS, read and reply to at least 40 emails/day, use GTalk with my wife for at least 50 messages a day. I'd read RSS feeds with Viigo.
After that, every single phone on the list requires charging every single day.
On the iPhone 3G, I would do a little surfing, maybe a little video, some emails and some text. Music on the metro coming and going to/from work. Charging every day was mandatory.
On the 3GS, with how App Store had better and better stuff, I killed it (as in forced shut down) 5 out of 15 days - all that with no widgets and no multitasking. I would read Le Monde, do some browsing, read tweets, read emails, make a couple of calls and texts. I started stocking the charge cable at work and in my backpack during my weeks with a 3GS, because it wouldn't make it through a day. Most friends and colleagues who have them do the same.
I received the Milestone in December. I loved it, and really started pounding a phone - 100 GTalks a day, some SMS, all email, NewsRob for RSS, Le Monde, News & Weather widget one we hacked that on there (following the Jan 5 release of the N1), twitter and facebook, browsing. App downloads, widgets left and right, plus CONSTANT dev work, image building, flashing, testing, etc. I would get a day if I took my foot off the gas, but if I pushed it too hard, I would kill it. There were a couple of battery killers that were avoidable but which I didn't avoid from time to time - leaving Qik, the browser on the google homepage (with autolocation on) the Camera or Maps open, then letting the phone go "idle" with the screen asleep keeps the GPS on and would eat the battery in an hour or two. This left me high and dry a couple of times, until I paid a bit more attention. The Milestone got better 3G than any iPhone and worse / less-consistent WiFi.
I picked up a Nexus at the beginning of March. It gets somewhat-to-significantly better battery life than the Milestone. I still have to charge it daily, but there seem to be fewer battery-death bonehead choices that drink the go-go juice and leave you without your electronic BFF. Most of that is probably Android 2.1 and the UV kernels - I noticed that the Milestone was better with 2.1 as well. It also gets 10dbm worse radio reception with the same SIM on the same desk on the same network in the same office. But it gets MUCH better and more reliable WiFi, and that is better still since FroYo. I use it a ton - RSS, chat, SMS, calls, LOTS of browsing, Le Monde, NYTimes in Newspapers Full, lots of games in spare time, Google Listen for Podcasts, Music, Movies, taking pictures and videos and posting them online with Twitter, Facebook, YouTube or Buzz, etc.
The Nexus has one MASSIVE problem, as far as bettery goes - charging it on any computer USB port, and many thrid-party USB charge plugs (AC or DC) is atrocious - hours and hours to get just a few percent. I don't know why - Apple can use 1A from anything, RIM / BlackBerry can come close to 2A. My Milestone would take at least 1A from anything. But the stupid HTC kit won't take more than about 400mA from a computer or a non-shorted USB charger. SOME 3rd party stuff will be exploited up until 1A, as will the charger that the N1 comes with, but if not, you're going to see slooooooow charging.
As far as the music player: I want 2 things - good sound and the ability to pause and skip with the mic button. Every iPhone does this, and so does the N1. The N1 DOES support headset buttons (it's own set comes with them), but I use my Shures with a simple mic adaptor. I almost never see the interface - I put on a playlist and shuffle it. DoubleTwist makes sure that I have the same lists on my iPod touch and my Nexus, so I really don't notice the difference.
If you use the interface a lot, well, then the player on an iPhone is the best there is. I just don't use the interface often enough to make that a selling point.
As far as sound - the Milestone got SIGNIFICANTLY more volume and better sound then any iPhone and a ridiculous amount more than an N1.
Froyo just rocks. I miss a couple of CM features, but there are sooooo many good things baked into Froyo - tethering, copy/paste in received GMail messages, SD card app storage, cloud-stored settings, Flash, incredible performance.
Your Mileage May Vary.

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The N1 DOES support headset buttons (it's own set comes with them),
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Thanks for the VERY detailed post... And also for clarifying the controls thing... thats awesome that N1 uses the mic button for controls... I use it a lot while running to skip songs...
I'm on the brink with my G1 though... Flashed the latest 2.1 ROM from Cygo.. at first I thought it was fast.. but now its driving me crazy.. its not really the ROM but the phone itself.. will post a video of the experience soon..
So to summarize above posts...
- N1 can give same or better battery life than iPhone... provided.. that we use it well... no crazy widgets/apps which keep using data...
- The earphones button CAN be used in N1 to skip songs.. which is awesome for me...
I think I might order my N1 today itself.. as it's still being sold on google (surprisingly enough).. Who knows once only T-Mobile sells it, if they'll stop offering the unlocked option....
Thanks for all the input guys

Battery life is GREAT, until you use it?!

This is not another thread about battery life obsession. It's more about a curiosity.
I have my Evo tuned so that it has great battery life on standby. When I use it for anything--SMS, data, local apps--the battery drains very fast.
I know that data, CPU, and display are the major consumers, but...
I have a Nexus One, with also a 1Ghz Snapdragon, and almost exactly the same loaded apps. Same screen resolution, both on 2.2. Both have 1500mAh battery. The only difference is the display technology and radio (GSM/EDGE/HSPA vs. CDMA/1xRTT/EVDO).
When used equally, the N1's battery does not drain nearly as fast as the Evo. How come? I know AMOLED is supposed be more power efficient, but by that much? I know CDMA can be less efficient, but again, by that much?
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Duh! Edited from Hummingbird to Snapdragon (got confused-I just picked up an Epic which has Hummingbird). Thanks for correcting.

They both use Snapdragon, Hummingbird is Samsungs CPU codename, it's based on the same architecture but uses a smaller process.
What software are you running?

Same exact problem as OP...this baffles me.
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Same exact problem as OP...this baffles me.
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Is it something new, or has this always been happening?
Was it after the new update or kernel WHATEVER, that you flashed?

If you’re running the stock kernel, do you think the fact that the screen is physically bigger may have something to do with the difference? I’ve always accounted the difference in the battery drain speed (between screen on and screen off) to the fact that most of us are running tweaked kernels that are overclocked when the screen on (with 5 point multi-touch, etc), and underclocked with the screen off.

The problem with battery life issues is that most of the time it can be just a perception and not scientific evidence at all.
Personally, I had an iPhone 3GS prior to getting an EVO and I would say the same exact thing happened with my iPhone. Especially when I was playing games. It doesn't seem to happen with my EVO.
Even seemingly silly things like the Battery Icon can help with the perception that battery life on the phone is bad. Since it only has 4 levels, it kind of tricks your mind into thinking your battery is draining really fast. Try flashing this.
Scientifically, The difference in battery life running the same exact apps under the same exact conditions would be almost negligible between an Evo and a Nexus one. You could even test them side by side and see for yourself.
Also, some facts:
- CDMA 3G is LESS power hungry than HSDPA when actually using it. Heck, EV-DO even uses less power than CDMA 2G(1xRTT)! Wi-Fi uses even less, so use it whenever you can.
- There's a huge misconception that AMOLED Screens use a lot less battery than regular LCDs, but in fact, that's only when the screen is showing LOTS of black color. During a web browser session with lots of white webpage viewing, AMOLED has no Power consumption advantage over LCD.

Signal is a HUGE contributor. I get about 12 hours out of my battery 3-4 out of 5 bars. I went to the sand dunes and had 5 bars and my phone lasted 28 hours.

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Also, some facts:
- CDMA 3G is LESS power hungry than HSDPA when actually using it. Heck, EV-DO even uses less power than CDMA 2G(1xRTT)! Wi-Fi uses even less, so use it whenever you can.
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there are some variables here - my router at home sucks, so I actually get better signal (and battery) with 3g and not wifi unless I'm in the same room as the router. Like the guy above me said, signal plays a huge part in it.
btw, were you really one of the few people that had an n-gage?

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btw, were you really one of the few people that had an n-gage?
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hahaha yeah. Still have it shoved in my closet, actually. I LOVED it.

zeuzinn said:
hahaha yeah. Still have it shoved in my closet, actually. I LOVED it.
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Man that's a lot of phones...

Plancy said:
Is it something new, or has this always been happening?
Was it after the new update or kernel WHATEVER, that you flashed?
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Seems like it's always been problem for me..
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When I run Handcent, N1 uses about 20% less battery over ~400 messages. Browsing sees similar results. No exotic apps and I keep close eye of what is running/syncing in the background.
Plancy said:
Is it something new, or has this always been happening?
Was it after the new update or kernel WHATEVER, that you flashed?
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I too, have seen this from day one, running all stock ROMs.
zeuzinn said:
The problem with battery life issues is that most of the time it can be just a perception and not scientific evidence at all.
Even seemingly silly things like the Battery Icon can help with the perception that battery life on the phone is bad. Since it only has 4 levels, it kind of tricks your mind into thinking your battery is draining really fast.
Scientifically, The difference in battery life running the same exact apps under the same exact conditions would be almost negligible between an Evo and a Nexus one. You could even test them side by side and see for yourself.
Also, some facts:
- CDMA 3G is LESS power hungry than HSDPA when actually using it. Heck, EV-DO even uses less power than CDMA 2G(1xRTT)! Wi-Fi uses even less, so use it whenever you can.
- There's a huge misconception that AMOLED Screens use a lot less battery than regular LCDs, but in fact, that's only when the screen is showing LOTS of black color. During a web browser session with lots of white webpage viewing, AMOLED has no Power consumption advantage over LCD.
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On both phones, I have a % battery gauge. I use both phones in good coverage area and have observed them over weeks of use. I would use one phone for the day, do the exact same thing, use the other phone the next, and consistently see the N1 having 20-30% more battery at the end of the day. I'm thinking of loading "current widget" to see the drain rate between the two phones.
On the subject of radios: I have seen manufatures list longer battery life for EDGE vs. HSPA and the same for 1x over EVDO. Also I [think] usually see longer standby times for a comparable GSM/UTMS phone over CDMA (e.g., Touch Pro2 on GSM/UMTS vs. Touch Pro2 on CDMA).
When one says that EV is less power hungry than 1x, are we talking about a time-use comparison or efficiency? Example: 1Mb download, 1x takes, say, 1 minute, while EV takes 10 seconds. Yes, for that download, EV took less power. But if one were to have 1x & EV both running for one minute, which takes more power? I ask because I remember seeing EV transmitting at higher power than 1x.

Thoughts on YOUR Atrix?

Delete.

i'm very happy with the phone. the only caveat i really have (which a lot of people don't seem to have) is battery life. i get about 13-14 hours with 3-4 hours of display-on time, while others have been reporting double that.
as far as motoblur is concerned, if you just get another launcher and use Titanium Backup Pro to freeze motoblur Home and other services, then you won't even have to think about it.

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I should be receiving my Atrix for AT&T tomorrow, this will be a HUGGGGGGEEEEEE upgrade from my measly HTC Hero (Sprint CDMA) that I have modified to the ends of the Earth. I'm in need of more power and amazed at the stuff you can do with the Atrix.
My question to you all, has this phone met or surpassed your expectations? Did it fail to achieve those expectations? Tell me what you think of this phone, I have been reading so many reviews about the phone I feel like I know all technological aspects about the phone as well, haha.
How fast were you to get rid of MotoBlur?
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I think I can speak for a lot of people in saying that, as far as the Atrix goes, I am in love with the "potential" this phone has. But as far as meeting those expectations, well, that's something to be debated. There are areas where the dual core shines and other areas it seems it is not harnessing the full power. Then couple that with AT&T's network restrictions and Motorola's lockdown on the device, I'm going to have to say that I am disappointed in the Atrix as of now. That could change if there is a break through in the bootloader or if AT&T gets its act together and starts offering the "High speeds" we were promised. Only problem is though, my 30 days is almost up and I don't know if I can hold onto the phone in hopes of "potential".

Coming from a captivate I love this phone...everything works includi.g the gps. Most of motoblur is gone on my phone. The phone is amazingly fast but does have an occasional hiccup. An unlocked bootloader would turn this into the best available android phone but its one of the top
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...Only problem is though, my 30 days is almost up and I don't know if I can hold onto the phone in hopes of "potential".
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I'm in the same boat. In terms of hardware, this phone is a beast. I can even live with the screen quality and the terrible camera. But software side, I am really hoping to see a unlocked bootloader or I might be very tempted to take this phone back...

bleuiko said:
I'm in the same boat. In terms of hardware, this phone is a beast. I can even live with the screen quality and the terrible camera. But software side, I am really hoping to see a unlocked bootloader or I might be very tempted to take this phone back...
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Yeah, I'm high up on the fence because if I do return it I am going to switch carriers as well.

I'm really enjoying it... coming from a Tilt2, it's a major upgrade. Straight out of the box, it's very enjoyable... I'm not dissapointed at all.. it's only going to get better once they get this beast unleashed
Camera is quick and decent.
GPS is amazingly fast...
Browser is snappy and loads everything great
WiFi is a little weak...
and I actually like the screen.. It's not best screen ever made, but it's actually a very nice display.
I was getting terrible battery life, but somehow a hard-reset solved that problem, and i'm able to get more than a day of heavy use no problem.
Just picked up a second one for the wife (coming from an iphone 3g) and she's really enjoying it a lot as well

I like the Atrix. I upgraded from an iPhone 3G. I realize that it's not the best it can be as far as unlocking right now, but it is better than what I had. I only wish I could afford the webtop dock right now for times I'm on the road. Nothing a netbook couldn't fix though.

as far as the battery, it really has to do with what you're doing. I've seen mine go 39 hours over a weekend with normal use, or 16 hours when i'm streaming pandora constantly at work. My building for work also isn't great for signal, so the phone is constantly working for signal, which uses battery.
The other day i did ~5 hours of pandora at work, then fired up the GPS, which was on for ~1.5 hours guiding me, screen on, not plugged in. few phone calls and web use and it was almost dead after 15 hours.
This phone is miles better than the aria i had before it, and it will only get better as more things are updated to take advantage of the tegra 2 platform. Won't matter if this phone gets cracked or not, it will get better and better for a while either way.

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as far as the battery, it really has to do with what you're doing. I've seen mine go 39 hours over a weekend with normal use, or 16 hours when i'm streaming pandora constantly at work. My building for work also isn't great for signal, so the phone is constantly working for signal, which uses battery.
The other day i did ~5 hours of pandora at work, then fired up the GPS, which was on for ~1.5 hours guiding me, screen on, not plugged in. few phone calls and web use and it was almost dead after 15 hours.
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Wow... 39 hours. I get about 17 hours of use from it, which is much better than any other smartphones I've ever used so I'm happy... but I can't imagine hitting that number. I do have bluetooth and wifi on all the time.

I like my Atrix, the only problems i see is that the webtop is very limited, but some people over the developer section are working on that, and also the speeds which since T-Mobile was bought it definitely will become faster alongside with HSPA+ and LTE being utilized together. It has lots of potential to run REALLY great, but this is the first phone of its kind, it'll always have problems in the beginning.

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Wow... 39 hours. I get about 17 hours of use from it, which is much better than any other smartphones I've ever used so I'm happy... but I can't imagine hitting that number. I do have bluetooth and wifi on all the time.
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and that cuts the battery way down. powering all the radios is a large power drain. I never turn on a radio i don't need, so 90% of the time wifi, bluetooth, gps, etc are off. Mobile data is always on, and i i never try and tell it to revert to 2g.

cegna09 said:
as far as the battery, it really has to do with what you're doing. I've seen mine go 39 hours over a weekend with normal use, or 16 hours when i'm streaming pandora constantly at work. My building for work also isn't great for signal, so the phone is constantly working for signal, which uses battery.
The other day i did ~5 hours of pandora at work, then fired up the GPS, which was on for ~1.5 hours guiding me, screen on, not plugged in. few phone calls and web use and it was almost dead after 15 hours.
This phone is miles better than the aria i had before it, and it will only get better as more things are updated to take advantage of the tegra 2 platform. Won't matter if this phone gets cracked or not, it will get better and better for a while either way.
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see... i wish i had that same kind of success.

It's always hard to determine battery life from these posts because people's definition of "moderate" and "heavy" usage differ a lot. This is why it would be nice if the phone had gingerbread where the battery plot actually shows the wake time, wifi time, signal strenth, display on, etc. so people could quote their results rather than just guestimating. The best way to tell is really just display on time since that's pretty much the biggest draw.
Based on my limited testing I can get about 4-5 hours of display on time with auto brightness. The absolute best I could squeeze out of my nexus S is almost 4 hours which is to be expected since it's 1930mah vs. 1500mah. I MIGHT do some battery drain tests before I return the Atrix but I'm not sure... those take time. I know the Nexus S can go about 7-8 hours playing a video while in airplane mode so I'm wondering what the Atrix could achieve.

dinan said:
It's always hard to determine battery life from these posts because people's definition of "moderate" and "heavy" usage differ a lot. This is why it would be nice if the phone had gingerbread where the battery plot actually shows the wake time, wifi time, signal strenth, display on, etc. so people could quote their results rather than just guestimating. The best way to tell is really just display on time since that's pretty much the biggest draw.
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We do have all those indicators in the Battery manager. I average about 13-14 hours with 3-4 hours of display, unless i'm doing something like streaming March Madness via flash, then it drops to like 7 hours with 2-3 hours of display.

Love it.
Honestly out of all the phones i've had this is the main one.
Screen great looking.
Speed is unreal and I mean like lightening fast :O
The games and apps that work just look and run crazy good!
Camera imo is great not going to replace main cameras but great for stills and videos, would be nice to see the 1080p recording update out soon though
Motoblur stuff which I like :O lol can be frozen and a custom launcher introduced without you even thinking about the motoblur lag.
Battery life is very good I can get a whole day at college 8:30 until 6 heavy usage and still get home with 30-40% left which is great to me
Fingerprint reader is also a great little feature that gets yours friends a little jealous lol
Only thing I don't like is the battery door creaks, I know its nothing major but its just a little annoyance other than that the build quality is great very sleek device!

I'm really bored with my Atrix there's no developement community. You can't do **** with a locked bootloader. Even the iphone is more open than this pos. It's going back tommorrow **** motorola.
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@ Exador... Amen brother!!!!
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I'm a firm believer in the "garbage in, garbage out" philosophy. Yes this phone has one or two legitimate issues (touch screen acting up after x seconds continuous touch), but for the most part is good. How many apps do you have installed? How many do you actually use? Every month i clean out my phone of apps that haven't been used in a couple weeks. I usually see a little bump in battery life each time since less apps are itching to use the data connection or other resources.
how many widgets are you running? I don't really notice it on the Atrix, but on my aria when i had 5 home screens riddled with widgets, it was laggy and slow. Drop it down to 2 screens with a simple setup, and it was snappy.
My point is, most of the time, little issues are probably user generated. I see it all the time with computers. But it's way easier to blame the hardware and software than look for the cause of your problem. again, i'm not down playing the few legitimate issues.
next time i pull a 39hour run i'll post specifics of what i was using it for in the battery thread.

I'm very happy with mine. I don't have much of a desire to put a custom ROM on, so the locked bootloader isn't an issue. The speed of this device is just levels beyond my Nexus One. I can't remember a time so far where I've had any lag. Plus, I don't have to worry about app space the way I did with the N1.