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Whhhey first post lol!
I was curious (for wing users) as we all know that Tmobile has already launched it's 3G already maining because of the upcoming release of the G1. But does anyone have any idea IF we were to be upgraded also would there be something that we'd have to exchange on the phone or would this be some kind of firmware release. I hope it's a firmware or something because I would love to have 3G on my phone. Seeing the fact the we have the most expensive phone from Tmobile (Currently)... why shouldn't we.
I've heard that the performance in certain areas will still be lacky... but I still want to at least know that I have the option because I REEAAALLLY don't care for the look of the G1... just not my cup of tea lol. It's too obviously a copy of the Iphone. I was glad to get my Wing because it looks different... don't get me wrong... the memory is a pain sometimes but I rather has a rare-ish phone than seeing ever ****, tom and harry out with the same phone saying "Yo I have one too, bro! lol"
The G1 looks nearly exactly like the Wing.
The Wing will never have 3G. It just lacks the hardware.
I really am thinking about getting the G1 and still keep my wing for flashing and testing!
thats what im going to do.. I have two wings so i might sell one of them.. I already ordered the G1.. So im excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want the HTC HD... *saluvating*
I actually decided to order it today lol... I know, I know... I said I didn't like it before but it's still a bit of a step up from my wing. I'll use both. My wing is already unlocked so I don't want to lose a phone with that type of flexability. Plus the wing it actually quite cool to be honest... does what it's supposed to. But yeah.... I'm getting one too!!!!! yes!!
who is excited for wm on the g1? after someone hacks it to run windows mobile i will get one. i am due for a phone upgrade from tmobile anyway.
orochidp said:
The G1 looks nearly exactly like the Wing.
The Wing will never have 3G. It just lacks the hardware.
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isn't the wing just a herald mobile 6? i thought other carriers used the same phone, renamed, rebadged and added diferent covers for it and they are 3g capable so why wouldn't are be 3g capable????
I would like to know the answer to this question as well. Did HTC remove specific hardware from the T-Mobile version to make it lack 3G capability? That would be truly disappointing.
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I would like to know the answer to this question as well. Did HTC remove specific hardware from the T-Mobile version to make it lack 3G capability? That would be truly disappointing.
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The Herald/Atlas/Wing was released before 3G was widely available. T-Mobile just began rolling out 3G in October of last year. The Herald doesn't have a 3G radio therefore no 3G. Its not a matter of software.
Like many of us I've been salivating at the prospect of the HD's large screen and, having decided that as good as my Touch Pro keyboard is, I don't use it enough to hold out for an HD with a keyboard (if there is even one in the roadmap). But..... I'm still smarting at not having 3G on my Touch Pro (and I know our XDA-Developers team may yet lick that limitation) so I'm seriously questioning whether I should go for the HD knowing it may never have 3G capability in the USA. Anyone else share this concern?
My need for 3G is about 10% of its total use...and my Edge network isn't exactly a snails pace. My Raphael is the best phone I've ever had, and I truly enjoy the ability to customize it. I am jumping ship and getting the HD without second thought. If the Elite team cracks the 3G...that's just the icing on the perfect raphael cake I have.
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My need for 3G is about 10% of its total use...and my Edge network isn't exactly a snails pace. My Raphael is the best phone I've ever had, and I truly enjoy the ability to customize it. I am jumping ship and getting the HD without second thought. If the Elite team cracks the 3G...that's just the icing on the perfect raphael cake I have.
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Looks like we'll be here together too then th1nm1nt! Although I'll keep the Pro for a while once I have the HD just in case......
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I share
yeah, ummm, no 3G coverage here, don't care, lol. your 10%, well I am about 1%, just when I travel and can't hardly tell a difference anyway. Two things: Either the HTC rep that gave us bad news about the arrival of Blackstone in US is not telling the truth or doesn't know the truth to tell it. OR..... HTC really has the wrong idea about consumers in the US. Surely they realize that we want the device because of the many other improvements that it brings. The improvements in performance and the killer screen does it for me. I have owned PDA phone after PDA phone starting with the old Verizon xv6600, which by the way has a large screen compared to kaiser and many others and I know a breakthrough when I see one. If they really don't plan to release this device, then they had better be working on a 3G version with or without a sliding keyboard that runs windows mobile 7. If their really going to skip around generations and stuff, that wm7 device better arrive on time and on par with the iPhone in refinement and usability. They should make a device that people don't really need to cook ROMs to be satisfied with. Do it right the first time, don't take backwards steps, don't take baby steps either. Turn one foot directly in front of the other, in full force and confidence; the smart way. I want it now!
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Like many of us I've been salivating at the prospect of the HD's large screen and, having decided that as good as my Touch Pro keyboard is, I don't use it enough to hold out for an HD with a keyboard (if there is even one in the roadmap). But..... I'm still smarting at not having 3G on my Touch Pro (and I know our XDA-Developers team may yet lick that limitation) so I'm seriously questioning whether I should go for the HD knowing it may never have 3G capability in the USA. Anyone else share this concern?
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i think maybe its hidden and we can unlock it(if i get it, ill try to unlock the usa 3g) and if not maybe i can get ahold of a prototype with usa 3g. if not then oh well. ill keep it and sell it once they make one with usa 3g. i say if ur really worried then wait.......
I go all over the USA daily while driving my truck, and I've noticed that I get the big [H] in every 3G area I come to, so 3G is very important for me, but I'm still going to retire my Polaris when the HD comes out. I'll just hope and pray daily that someone figures out how to give us 3G...
Doesnt matter to me.
Only time I use it is if I accidentally update my weather application.
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I go all over the USA daily while driving my truck, and I've noticed that I get the big [H] in every 3G area I come to, so 3G is very important for me, but I'm still going to retire my Polaris when the HD comes out. I'll just hope and pray daily that someone figures out how to give us 3G...
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We finally got 3G here when I live in Millsboro Delaware. After installing Solace I to get the Big H now. I was either dumb or confussed. LOL However after the good people on here explained that H is better then 3G I was delighted. Not sure why. Called ATT said it was a little better, well faster and was fine for me to use with my unlimited plan.
Solace 1.5 is so smooth I just can't believe that I'd think of getting or replacing my Tilt. I think I finally found the phone for me.
Beachboyde/Jon
I switched from the Tytn 2 over to the Diamond not too long ago. I gave up 3G for slimmer form factor. I barely notice the difference. Maybe occasionally when I use YouTube or Opera, I wish I had a faster connection, but my day to day use of corporate push email is unaffected.
I would like to see the XDA pros open up 3G on these phones, but I feel the features are worth living with EDGE.
...but then again, I've been tempted to pick up a Slingbox lately too. Not sure I'd trust Slingplayer running on E.
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Looks like we'll be here together too then th1nm1nt! Although I'll keep the Pro for a while once I have the HD just in case......
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So does that mean I'm no longer the stalker...but now you are?
T-mobile USA has 1700 Mhz and 2100 MHz frequencies for 3G support.
This is what I got from their website
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What frequency does your 3G network support?
Our 3G network supports both the 1700MHz and 2100MHz frequencies.
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So... I'll try 3G there once I get mine....
3G or no 3G
I have a Touch Diamond with no 3G (edge only) and one with 3G. (the big H) .
To me, not a big enough difference to worry about. The Edge connection is actually fast enough for me. May a half sec. difference in connection to web pages. Im getting the Touch HD. Besides most of the time I'm on wifi anyway. No big deal
So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.
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So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.
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Not determined yet. The Elite team in the Raphael ROM forum does admit there is different hardware. They have connected to the US 3G, but don't think it is stable. They haven't finalized their research as of yet, but sure some more information will be coming shortly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420586
ok so it is hardware inside the phone that differs between US and EU 3G?
So if the bands on the specs page of the phone list US bands then it should be good to go?
Not trying to hyjack the thread I am just curious.
i will be getting an HD and droppign the touch pro... i think
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So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.
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As far sas i heard. its the onboard chip that does the differents. HTC said that on some of the old phones, where it got hacked and worked with 3G, hardware was there but not activated. thats why the people here could get it to work. But HTC stated that this is not the case in the HD. THey said that the HD can not be hacked to work with 3G, as it is not possible hardware wise for the HD to recieve 3g signals on the USA network
i believe i said this already once but its more of a matter of just the antennas and if they can recieve the usa 3g bands or not. the actual chipset i know can use the bands its a matter or just enabling them.
I thought the 3g put a 3g icon not the big h? Thats how it shows on my friends tilt. Me i have not had 3g ever since i have used at&t lol cause i had the wizard and now the wing. Does 3g affect call performance or just data, if so i could care less about 3g then. Although i would rather no pay the premium price on the hd buying from europe
AT&T has HSUPA but you have to activate it in the settings.
T-mobile blocked all phones other then sidekicks to the sidekick apn.
This is so gay because now i have no internet on my G1... Great!
1st t-mobile takes forever to drop cupcake then they dont buy the htc hero still no 3g in reading pennsylvania and now no prepaid data for g1. T-mobile sucks!!!
Solution.
You need cyanogens 3.9.7 because is has vpn support
Then go here http://www.hotspotshield.com/clientless/iphone/ and follow the instrustions.
Make sure u keep the hiptop.t-mobile.com apn active!
how fast is it with that vpn? using 3g im guessing right? i just tried switching tothe shadow for now and cancelled the hiptop.. still not working and i might go back to hiptop
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T-mobile blocked all phones other then sidekicks to the sidekick apn.
This is so gay because now i have no internet on my G1... Great!
1st t-mobile takes forever to drop cupcake then they dont buy the htc hero still no 3g in reading pennsylvania and now no prepaid data for g1. T-mobile sucks!!!
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There's GOT to be a way to spoof this. I'm sure if we can read the outgoing packets from a sidekick we can find out what it is that the sidekick is sending that confirms that it's a sidekick.....
Sorry, but it can't be THAT locked down.
can somebody post the apn settings so i can set this up...ive been looking with no luck
law_ren_ce said:
T-mobile blocked all phones other then sidekicks to the sidekick apn.
This is so gay because now i have no internet on my G1... Great!
1st t-mobile takes forever to drop cupcake then they dont buy the htc hero still no 3g in reading pennsylvania and now no prepaid data for g1. T-mobile sucks!!!
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I hope this can be worked around.
However, back when I bought mine last year, they said they were going to do this at some point. It's not fair or logical, but eh.
any updates ever coming to this thread ? im really interested in getting this working. Someone more knowledgeable than myself, please feel free to help out
Sorry for posting to an old thread but I thought I'd post an update on the topic since I read TMO shut down the use of the SideKick plan in late 2009.
I logged into my.t-mobile.com and switched my prepaid SIM over the SideKick plan to try out on my G1.
As mentioned in other threads, you'll get no love from the built in browser when using the SideKick plan. However Opera Mini seems to work. IMHO, the problem with this solution is that even with image loading turned off, it easily took a minute for m.cnn.com to load. For me, this rules out many useful services, but I guess you get what you pay for...
FWIW, my SIM is ~3 years old and was converted to pay as you go after my contract period expired. My G1 is running CyanogenMod-4.2.15.1 and is still carrier locked.
im not sure what method they use to detect your phone, but its not limited to sidekick, g1, etc. i broke my g1 a while back. while i was waiting on repair parts, i used my wifes old gravity. i logged in to my.tmobile to pay my bill. it showed my phone as the gravity. for poops and giggles, i tried my sim in an old moto clamshell styled prepaid phone. after my favs updated, i refreshed the my.tmobile page, and the ultra old moto was showing on the screen as my phone. wierd. as far as them shutting down someone's internet access, we had that problem too. i bought a g1 from a friend and put my wifes sim in it. full phone, mms, sms, etc., but no internet access. as soon as google began loading, a screen popped up in the old wap format saying her plan did not support the phone. screwed up thing is, the had something like 100mb/month internet service from her gravity phone. she could not use it until i updated hers to android service. we have edge service here and no chance of ever getting 3g, so its not like she would have ever crossed the 100mb threshold. t-mockery sucks.
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so i read a forum today that said the reason opera mini stil works is because of the socks something or other ill find the post again and link it here, they said it even worked after the sim was expired...... dont know if this is true or not but if it is it might be worth looking into hell i have a tmobile expired sim that used to have the g1 plan on it id just use that lmao fk the system and scrw tmobile......
I've searched everywhere for information but the web is full of outdated information or speculations, I just want to know if there are any android phones that will work with T-Mobile's Web2Go/T-Zones, like a non t-mobile android phone, has anyone tried this?
I don't mind modifying my phone if that can work I have a G1, if any1 knows how to get it to work on a G1 PM me please.
nope. I tried with both mytouch 3G and Nexus One (which tmobile does not officially carry)
They can tell you have an android Operating system regardless of the phone. Faking useragent didnt work. To get Tmobile data for android phones you need the android data plan. if you get it online its 30$, but if you call Tmoible and ask them they will give you it for 25$
guy above is very wrong.
I've been using a Nexus One with my 2.99 tzones for a while now.
I think the key is not buying a phone within the tmobile IMEI range. Since the N1 was sold directly by google and could work for both ATT and Tmo, it was outside of the range.
Maybe someone can confirm my reasoning but the Nexus One works great on tzones. I get 3g speeds easy
I use a T-Mobile prepaid SIM with an unlocked Samsung Captivate and it works just fine, although on EDGE not 3G. I get the T-Zones website where I can manage my account. T-Mobile has also recently added a option for 24-hour data at $1.49 and that works as well.
Best Android phone that works on tzones is a WM phone. HD2. Flash android on it and you've got a stable android phone rooted and unlocked that works on tzones. Been using it for about 2 months now and it is AWESOME. Great thing is, the HD2 is cheap on craigslist.
Tzones uses what ? Edge or 3g.
Wife has an hd2 I flashed a nand rom on it. Id like to know if for sure can switch out over to tzones and still get great speeds
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I've had the 5.99 t-mobile for years.. been through all my Moto and HTC phones starting with the first smartphone good ole MPX200 "when data was free!" not many phones at the time could even use web! 3G works great on my Nandroid HD2 currently.
N1 works on tzone. and yes, best phone that works best on tzone with 3g is the hd2 on android.
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Hi all
I Installed Android in my HTC HD2 and Its almost perfect but the only problem is it have to mobile data signal I tried every this with no result any one can help please ?
Sabobo0 said:
Hi all
I Installed Android in my HTC HD2 and Its almost perfect but the only problem is it have to mobile data signal I tried every this with no result any one can help please ?
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didya try changing your APNs?
http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile_APNs
Hello guys I have been a HTC guy since I got my very first TIlt, then my FUZE, and my PURE. All of these phone were ATT branded, and I used the 10/month medianet plan.
They are now catching on and have changed my plan to the 30/month one. I do not like this since I do not really use the web. So I did some research and need your help.
I know if I get a T-Mobile branded one I wont get 3G, butt what if I get a non branded HD2, would I get 3G then?
If I were to get a T-Mobile or a non branded HD2 would ATT still change my medianet plan to a PDA plan? I know they are doing this with non branded Nexus 1 phones but I am unsure about HD2.
If you have this with ATT tell me how you use it, do you have 3G, what web plan do you or if you do not.
Thanks, I hope on buying one of these soon.
well i'm a att guy... but.. i'm going over to t-mobile.. due to this phone... cheers
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well i'm a att guy... but.. i'm going over to t-mobile.. due to this phone... cheers
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I know what you mean dawg but T-mobile has poor service in my area, they only offer edge.
I am switching to T-Mobile for the HD2, and the cheaper prices, Las Vegas has a big blanket of 3G from all carriers, at&t has been sucky lately due to the iPhone.
Even though they where my first carrier(Original at&t), they wont be my last. I cant wait to go Magenta.
As for your situation, you might have to settle for the retail price then just unlock it, since the service on edge for at&t rather than on T-Mobile.
i have it on AT&T i get 3G speeds in san diego just fine works great. my version is the australian version from telstra.
been using the european version with at&t and edge speeds are fine (have access to wifi at work and home). i have been paying for the $10 data plan since October/November with no problems. At&t website lists the phone i am using as other after i had selected an old motorola razor i was using previously. So i am not sure how they detected and switched you over to their smartphone plan.
You'll need the Australian Telstra version to get ATT 3g. It costs like $800 for imported versions though.
I have been using my Euro version HD2 since Dec with ATT. Have been paying $10/month for data. Just signed another 2 yr contract with the Nazi's (yea, I know) and got a free Blackberry. When I registered the Blackberry.....or activated it with the new sim ATT had in it, I got a text saying I needed to pay for the $30 data plan. Long story short......I told them I wont be using the new phone, I will be using my HD2 that I have been using. Gave them the IMEI and they said that it was not considered a smart phone. They are such geniuses! Even though it is EDGE, I am quite happy with it.
I also called the next day and explained how I travel international a lot, and asked to get the unlock code for the new Blackberry. Had the code the next day, unlocked it, so I guess I will sell it and try to recoup what I am going pay over the next 2 years!
Been using my European HD2 since they first came out, on AT&T.
Works just fine.
They found out because, chances are, your phone is not SIM unlock...or you somehow stupidly give them your IMEI number. If you want to get back on the old $10/$15 medianet plan, call them up and tell them that you're using some old phone (like a razr) and would like to get out of the PDA/smartphone data plan.
I'm on AT&T ($15 medianet) and I would never think about jumping to a worser carrier/service over a phone. That's retarded.
^^ how about for a free phone bill??
as i said i'm att right now.. but i spend about 130 a month which is frickin insane... as a student.. my father offered me one of his lines that he has open anyways (kept open in case one of his clients needed a temp phone or service) and because he's already paying for it regardless.. i get it free of charge.. which in my opinion totally rocks... PLUS i get the HD2 which makes the situation even better....
but no, personally i rather keep att... the call quality and reception is just so good everywhere... i never drop calls.. nor does my antenna recieve less then full bars... and i have done my fair share of research.. and t-mobile's reception is kinda bad... and in my apartment complex.. (my sis has tmobile) i'll probably manage about 2-3 bars... yea.. totally sucks.... but as i said before.. free phone bill...cheers
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They found out because, chances are, your phone is not SIM unlock...or you somehow stupidly give them your IMEI number. If you want to get back on the old $10/$15 medianet plan, call them up and tell them that you're using some old phone (like a razr) and would like to get out of the PDA/smartphone data plan.
I'm on AT&T ($15 medianet) and I would never think about jumping to a worser carrier/service over a phone. That's retarded.
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I called them up and gave them a IMEI from a LG shine I had. I never told them I had a pda. The reason they knew I was on a pure was because the pure I had was branded by ATT.
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I called them up and gave them a IMEI from a LG shine I had. I never told them I had a pda. The reason they knew I was on a pure was because the pure I had was branded by ATT.
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Like i said, it's probably because the pure wasn't sim unlocked since it's AT&T branded (meaning that they already have the IMEI for that particular phone). I always keep a few unlocked dumbphones around (samsung x820 and samsung u600) just in case I run into situation like this...
AT&T service in Northern Chicagoland area simply sucks. I have AT&T phone from work and use T-Mobile as my personal phone service carrier - cannot compare at all. AT&T 3G appears to be somehwat faster (in miliseconds) but no drastic speed difference between the two.
Where do people recommend buying a Telstra HD2 and having it shipped to the U.S.?
Thx
I tried the TMO HD2 today and Tmo's signal sucks in my area.
I have a telsa hd2 and i use it on att and i get 3g coverage. it works fine. the only i dont like is i cant access the media mall that att users use to download games and apps.