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Hi there
My t-mobile contract ends within few weeks and I really want the HD2! My early upgrade offers were reallly bad, so I wait what they offer when the contract actually ends.. BUT - if I switch to other network... please let me know:
***Is there any difference in unlimited internet between T-Mobile (its fast on my Web&Walk!), Virgin, Vodafone?
***Customer service... Im really been happy with T-Mob, I had bad exp with Virgin but that was years ago... what you think?
***Any other plusses having HD2 with certain network?
Thanks guys and girls!
It depends on where you live and on the signal of where you are, there isn't a BEST NETWORK for a phone.
Yes- it's no good getting a cheap deal but finding yourself with no signal!
Mobile Internet: They all still advertise 'unlimited' but they all impose a fair usage policy.
Virgin, T-Mobile and Three have 1GB FUP; O2 say theirs is genuinely unlimited but they reserve the right to throttle the accounts of those they consider abusing the service; Vodafone and Orange both have a limit of 500MB.
but vodafone don't charge you when you go over 500mb unlike orange
I would say go with which ever network doesn't have the iphone clogging up the network but they all seem to have them now
fz9999 said:
but vodafone don't charge you when you go over 500mb unlike orange
I would say go with which ever network doesn't have the iphone clogging up the network but they all seem to have them now
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or you can actually use because they have the signal they advertise..
I can't wait to leave vodafone now, because I've found their coverage to be so bad, despite shown as getting 3g and told it was a temporary fault I find coverage at home to be poor to non existent, and 3g spots to be much smaller than stated often losing coverage outside any halfway decent sized town..
VF Customer service (business) are very good in my experience, until a complaint gets passed onto the network team when they start to come up with every excuse known to mankind.
Seriously tempted to just use my spare "3" payg sim when the contract runs out as I get full coverage and it's cheaper, and I get coverage 99% of the places I travel.
O2 work out quite a bit more than the others - you pay £100 for the HD2 on a £35/month contract, with 600 minutes talk and 1000 texts (if you order over the internet - 500 texts if you do the deal in store). This comes with the Unlimited Web bolt on (which normally costs £7.50), but this is limited to 500mb. And it seems you are charged if you go over this.
I've never dealt with O2, so my apologies if the info is wrong, but this is how I'm finding it.
I'm going to give mobilesphonesdirect a ring, to see what they can do the HD2 for as an upgrade on Tmobile. Tmobile want £340 for me to upgrade, or I can cancel and take out a new contract with m.p.d and pay £93 for the phone for £25 a month. That's £13 more for the phone than Virgin, but we're still not sure if Virgin throttle the data speeds more than Tmobile.
Final note - I'm more interested in the Internet on the phone, then texting with actual phone calls far behind. I talk to my misses enough in the house...
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Final note - I'm more interested in the Internet on the phone, then texting with actual phone calls far behind. I talk to my misses enough in the house...
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I'm with Vodafone on their £20/month sim-only deal and worryingly I've found signal to be better where I live (which is advertised as variable outdoor coverage on their 3G map) than where I work (which is advertised as strong indoor 3G), so don't rely on their 3G coverage map service as the gospel truth.
I can achieve decent download rates via 3G, typically 150-200kbps which I guess equates to a 5mb broadband link, not too shabby.
Order a load of free pay and go sim cards from the different networks and try them out in the areas you frequent all the time.
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I can achieve decent download rates via 3G, typically 150-200kbps which I guess equates to a 5mb+ broadband link, not too shabby.
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??? 5Mb (megabit) = roughly 5000Kb so your 150-200Kb is way, way under that!
Your speeds are consistent with a fair 3G signal. HSDPA should give about 1200Kbps (= 1.2Mb or thereabouts) in real life though that will depend on proximity to the cell site, cell congestion etc.
NeilM said:
??? 5Mb (megabit) = roughly 5000Kb so your 150-200Kb is way, way under that!
Your speeds are consistent with a fair 3G signal. HSDPA should give about 1200Kbps (= 1.2Mb or thereabouts) in real life though that will depend on proximity to the cell site, cell congestion etc.
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Fair enough, I'm just relating to real-world conditions where 5mb broadband doesn't equal anywhere near 5000kbps My 18mb broadband connection only achieves 1mb/s download speeds for example
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Virgin piggyback off T-mobile?
So does this mean that if t-mob throttle the usage, the throttle is also applicable to Virgin Mob customers?
I used to be with Virgin and the coverage was great, now with Vodafone and was always told about their superior coverage compared to other networks.
I have to say I'm sadly dissapointed, I often find it drops out completely. Even in the city centre where you'd assume coverage would be good, I often get "cold" spots with no signal, yet 25m down the road I have full HSDPA signal..... weird.
bdb25 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Virgin piggyback off T-mobile?
So does this mean that if t-mob throttle the usage, the throttle is also applicable to Virgin Mob customers?
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That's what it seems, although we are trying to see if Tmobile restrict and throttle the Virgin side of things even more...
See this thread here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=615643
O2's data limit is actually 1GB per month, they just don't like to tell people.
If you negotiate a bit with T-Mobile you may be able to get onto their 3GB/month tariff at not much (if any) extra cost. (When I was buying I had a choice between 900 minutes, unlimited texts and 1GB/month or 1000 minutes, 500 texts and 3GB/month at the same price).
T-Mobile handset deals generally work out cheaper than other networks, but there are hidden extras: you have to pay for Voicemail calls (they don't come out of your minutes) and you don't get any free MMS messages at all (while O2, say, counts an MMS message as four SMS messages from your allowance).
One thing that irritates me about T-Mobile is that they don't support EDGE, which means if there's no 3G signal you drop straight to basic GPRS speeds. Back when I was with O2, if there was no 3G signal there was still a chance you could get EDGE, which is substantially quicker than plain GPRS.
I'd advise any buyer to be wary of mobilephonesdirect - their after-sales service is simply shocking, so if your phone develops a fault you may not get a replacement unless you're willing to take legal action.
Just to add to the previous post,
Vodafone and Virgin Mobile also charge you for MMS messages
Virgin mobile seem to cap data speed at about 384kbps.
Most of them cap the speed.
In fact I tried m.speedtest.com in a vodafone store and the phone refused to load the site.
My vodafone account got defrauded and they charged me for calls which were obviously fraudulent - masked number to US/canada at over £1 a minute that appeared as 121 on my bill....on the 29th of the month every month since November.
So I'm not happy with their idiocy but it forced me to try T-mobile.
I've found that in most places T-mobile works better than vodafone - I seem to have a 3G signal in more places and more consistently. however, that means that my E65 only lasts barely a day....With vodafone's 3G constantly dropping most of the time I was on 2G...haha, funny that!!
I think the 2/2.5G signal of vodafone is better. The 3G T-mobile signal is better. At least where i go. T-mobile reaches deep into the basement of my law school, whereas vodafone could only reach 2feet into the area.
Vodafone pluses:
includes voicemail to mins
Much cheaper fixed rate roaming not per minute
Robust 2G network
competitive plans.
T-mobile plusses:
1GB data
Much better 3G network.
-ves:
Charge for voicemail
Expensive roaming.
Less good 2G network.
Quite expensive tariffs and phones.
Virgin pluses:
Cheapest deal with mins+phone for free without going ot reseller.
T-mobile network
-ves:
unknown newbie - reseller.
Data capped at 384.
I was on a T-Mobile Combi 30 + W'n'W for £35 a month (18 month contract, 600mins/unlimited txts) plan, when it came time to upgrade a fortnight ago they wanted £70 for the phone, which I would happily have paid. Fortunately they didn't have any in stock at the time. I say fortunately as another rep called me back about a week later and proposed I go on the Flext 35 for 18 months, which has a £180 per month allowance (plus internet) but the phone is free, since I never use anywhere near my minutes, or send millions of txts it's a good plan for me, plus free HD2!
The phone comes without any T-Mobile graffiti on it thankfully, and since HardSPL was released, the stock branded T-Mobile ROM lasted all of an hour.
Also really depends in which country you reside.
Vodafone NL never warned me for over-usage, while I had months exceeding 500MB PER SESSION.. Never heard from them.
Speed is about 1mbit/s here at home. Signal is good in most cases. On the highway I usually get 2mbit/s.
May be slightly off topic but anyone else using this phone with Virgin and having issues with connection?
Mine says 3g sometimes but then reverts to H or even G. Also having issues at work where coverage is supposed to be good but there are times I'm not getting any signal at all. Did try the sim in anoether phone and the signal was strong so wondering if its the phone.
Thanks in advance!
Towserspvm2000 said:
O2 work out quite a bit more than the others - you pay £100 for the HD2 on a £35/month contract, with 600 minutes talk and 1000 texts (if you order over the internet - 500 texts if you do the deal in store). This comes with the Unlimited Web bolt on (which normally costs £7.50), but this is limited to 500mb. And it seems you are charged if you go over this.
I've never dealt with O2, so my apologies if the info is wrong, but this is how I'm finding it.
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Hi im new here, thought i would register as i have my new leo coming 2morrow, cant wait. I ordered a hd2 from o2 today, unlimited txts, unlimited web, 600 xnet mins free phone 18 month contract for £35pm. had to ring up and say i was going to leave if they couldent match the deal they were very friendly. t-mobile and voda do the same sort of deals on dialafone n places like that.
Duddy1986 said:
Hi im new here, thought i would register as i have my new leo coming 2morrow, cant wait. I ordered a hd2 from o2 today, unlimited txts, unlimited web, 600 xnet mins free phone 18 month contract for £35pm. had to ring up and say i was going to leave if they couldent match the deal they were very friendly. t-mobile and voda do the same sort of deals on dialafone n places like that.
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Welcome to the group!! Hope the phone is what you want. You will be in for a steep learning curve, but this is the best forum group to ask questions in.
[EDIT] Some posters have responded that the assumptions made below are unrealistic as regards the average subscriber. That is absolutely true! This OP is unrelated to the "average subscriber." The thread is about the disconnect between the data download volume required by high-bandwidth apps being advertised by the carriers and the cummulative monthly data volume permitted by the carriers. I.e., this post would be valid if there were zero subscribers using these services. I would note, however, that these ideas will become increasingly applicable to the average subscriber as subscribers begin to use the cited services in greater volumes.
Other posters have commented that the 2 mbps assumption in this OP is unrealistically high. Please see posts 52, 54, and 75 for calculations related to actual apps that use similar bandwidths.
There has been much contraversy surrounding TMO's throttling network access speeds after a subscriber uses (or downloads?) 5 GB of data. Also, some people seem to be confused as to the meaning of the associated terms "bandwidth," "download speed," "total monthly usage," etc. This post is simply an attempt to clarify these terms and to add perspective to the issue.
I will use an (imprecise) analogy to household electrical power usage. The quantity of electrical power (measured in kilowatts), consumed at any point in time depends upon the sum of the current draw of the appliances, fixtures, machinery, etc. operating at that point in time. (Although power = voltage multiplied by current, the power company keeps the voltage relatively constant.)
Wireless data downloads can be considered as analogous to electrical power consumption if we analogize maximum link speed (also referred to as bandwidth) to voltage and bit flow to current. The power company maintains a (relatively constant) voltage to enable us to pull a variable amount of current according to our needs. A carrier maintains a (variable) amount of bandwidth to enable us to transfer a variable amount of data according to our needs.
Kilowatts and bits/second are both instantaeous values. So, the electric meter must continuously meter the current as it flows through the meter to sum the total energy used (kilowatt-hours). Likewise, TMO (apparently) implements a meter on their servers for each subscriber to monitor data flow over the course of a billing month.
Now, this is where the analogy gets interesting.
The power company charges per usage while TMO advertises and charges a flat monthly rate (assuming an "unlimited" data plan). On the surface (read: "as advertised"), the TMO plan sounds better. One is able to plan for a fixed monthly expenditure without having to worry about consumption. That is very appealing, because TMO has also heavily marketed their newer and ever-faster networks as well as devices and services requiring these greater bandwidths.
But notice what happens when a customer attempts to aggressively use the new devices, services, and supporting network bandwidths. When the data throttling hammer comes down, Internet data services are simply terminated until the beginning of the next billing month, for most practical purposes! (The modern Internet is largely non-functional at 56 kb.)
How would such behaviour play out with household energy consumption per our analogy? Say the power company initiates a big marketing campaign to place equipment and services in your home that require lots of power to operate, and sets you up on a flat monthly fee. To accommodate the new equipment and services, the power company drops 10kV service to your home. The first month, You use the new, very power-hungry equipment and services for 5-6 hours. By then, you have used 20,000 kwH. The power company's policy is to throttle users who reach 20,000 kwH. So what do they do? According to the analogy, they decrease the voltage to your house to 20 volts. Of course, 20 volts is not enough to run anything except perhaps enough to make a couple of light bulbs flicker. However, the power company can say that, technically, they have not breached their obligation to supply you unlimited power for a fixed fee. If you can do something with 20 volts for the remainder of the billing month, have at it!
For both the power company and a wireless carrier, these are peak loading problems. The difference is that the power company builds out the infrastructure necessary to handle peak loading for all of its customers, big and small.
A wireless data carrier can "build out" in two dimensions, speed and capacity. These are related but different quantities. Say TMO replaces transceiver technology on a tower. Say the old system had 4 transceivers, each capable of handling 1000 subscribers and providing data speeds of between 500kbps and 5 Mbps to each subscriber depending upon the number of data users connected to that tower. Now assume that the upgrade has five transceivers, each capable of handling 1000 subscribers. New technolgoy coding techniques now render a transceiver capable of providing data speeds of 1-21 Mbps, depending upon the number of data uses connected to that transceiver and their data requirements, etc. In this scenario, the carrier could do fancy marketing to pull in additional subscribers and some users would in fact sometimes see faster downloads. However, the carrier might not have accomplished much from a capacity standpoint in this scenario. E.g., tripling the number of 3G radios might be better from a capacity standpoint than replacing the existing 3G radios with 4G radios. However, the latter is much sexier from a marketing standpoint.
We will know when TMO has finally built out sufficient capacity to satisfy the data demand that they themselves create by hyping speed and speed-requiring services such as TMO-TV; because at that point there will be no further need for data caps and they will be removed or increased to higher thresholds. In the meantime, the following calculation is an indication of the amount of "unlimited" nework access we currently receive from TMO in exchange for our $80 - $100:
What is your average download speed? Of course it varies from region to region and from one moment to the next. Let us just pick some reasonable number as an average to work with, say 2 mbps. Consider that average and the 5 GB data cap. For quick calculation purposes, let us consider 10 bits/byte. (The real number is ~9 bits/byte after taking into account error correction overhead, etc.)
(5 x 10E9 Bytes) x (10 bits/byte) = 5 x 10E10 bits
(5 x 10E10 bits) / (2 x 10E6 bits/sec) = 25000 seconds
(25,000 seconds) / (3600 seconds/hr) = 6.9 hours
In conclusion: An "unlimited" TMO data plan provides about 7 hours of [clarification: high bandwidth application] access monthly, based upon advertised and provided speeds, before one is cut off from useful data access. Your available number of hours will vary according to the data speeds that you experience/utilize.
There are ~720 hours in a month. Thus, our carrier's plan provides for 2 mbps use of our phone about 1% of the time or about 25 minutes per day.
If you understand and are happy with this (as many no doubt are), wonderful! I believe that a subscriber should at least be aware of what he/she is getting for his/her $80-$100 per month, though; and the carriers should, but do not, disclose this information.
The only grip I have about it is, I wished it was cheaper, maybe $20-25 (i know about the loyalty plan but I haven't gotten time to ask about it). Or offer a $15 2gb plan (as opposed to the janky $10/15 200mb plan)
Unlimited means..
1. Having no restrictions or controls.
2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite.
3. Without qualification or exception; absolute.
This is what Unlimited mean,not the twisted version T-mobile trick some into believe,Unlimited mean no restrictions no controls,you can't abuse something that is presented to you in Unlimited form period.
I don't know why people have no sue T-mobile for this.
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Unlimited means..
1. Having no restrictions or controls.
2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite.
3. Without qualification or exception; absolute.
This is what Unlimited mean,not the twisted version T-mobile trick some into believe,Unlimited mean no restrictions no controls,you can't abuse something that is presented to you in Unlimited form period.
I don't know why people have no sue T-mobile for this.
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Who says unlimited means no restrictions and no controls? Unlimited defines whether there is a limit or not, not how you use the internet.
As for the OP, I regularly tether and use my phone and still haven't hit the 5 GB limit (downloading apps/games on my phone, roms, kernels, streaming Pandora, forum browsing on my laptop and youtube streaming).
The one's that get over the 5GB limit are probably doing things that they shouldn't be doing so imo it's fair and I would rather have it set to 5GB than having them raise rates for everybody and offer real unlimited.
not satisfied, but not upset. had i not streamed the entire super bowl through my phone, my data wouldn't be throttled right now!
my bad
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Umm....
Cap ?
sahil04 said:
Who says unlimited means no restrictions and no controls? Unlimited defines whether there is a limit or not, not how you use the internet.
As for the OP, I regularly tether and use my phone and still haven't hit the 5 GB limit (downloading apps/games on my phone, roms, kernels, streaming Pandora, forum browsing on my laptop and youtube streaming).
The one's that get over the 5GB limit are probably doing things that they shouldn't be doing so imo it's fair and I would rather have it set to 5GB than having them raise rates for everybody and offer real unlimited.
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You know i just quoted a dictionary definition of Unlimited right one of them is having not restrictions or controls.?
Maybe you know more than the dudes who wrote the dictionary maybe we should go by your terms and not what the real definition means.
In fact the terms i quote are not referring to the Internet.
Stop lying dude i download 3 gameloft games,and watched some video on youtube and i landed over 1 GB in just 3 days,games from the android market like gameloft ones are close to 300 MB,i have spiderman,SplinterCell and GT racing and with those 3 alone i got close to 900MB.
In fact i made a test and watched several videos on youtube,and did some download without tethering,and i landed on 1.3 GB in just 3 days,and i did not even tether dude,stop acting like 5GB is allot if not,in fact not even close to be that much 5GB is nothing this days,i have video on my Galaxy S that are 53MB just for a 3 and half minute video,just head over to youtube and see how much data and actual good quality video takes.
In fact i have Temperature by Sean Paul and is 53 MB,10 miserable video like that one,that is what enough to get you what an hour of entertainment or less,and you have 500MB is just 1 hours of watching videos,use it 2 hours and you have 1GB already eat up.
5GB is nothing.
In fact roms alone are 130+ MB,some are close or over 200 MB,download 7 of those on 1 week and you already have close to 1GB use,just for roms.
Your math doesn't add up,and even without tethering 5GB is nothing.
But show me what we should not be doing,since phones like the mytouch 4G are also throttle and those are advertise as video phones (not that the Vibrant can't do that) and as a wireless hub,where other devices can connect to you,(again no that the Vibrant can't do that either),so in the end you have a service that is been advertise as unlimited,only to be punish for using it,Verizon did the same thing and was force to settle in cash.
I read now that T-mobile was sue for this as well,i don't think the outcome will be any different than what happen with Verizon.
I like the dictionary version of what Unlimited means,not your or T-mobile twisted version,you most work for T-mobile you have to,to actually cheer for such a scam,and to accuse others of wrong doing,when the features all this phones have are bandwidth demanding.
Tmobile
I like Tmobile
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Cap ?
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what's this a picture of?
eltormo said:
Unlimited means..
1. Having no restrictions or controls.
2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite.
3. Without qualification or exception; absolute.
This is what Unlimited mean,not the twisted version T-mobile trick some into believe,Unlimited mean no restrictions no controls,you can't abuse something that is presented to you in Unlimited form period.
I don't know why people have no sue T-mobile for this.
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Yes, that is what "unlimited" means. You got the adjective right but I believe that you may be misunderstanding the noun. "Unlimited" must modify something; it cannot be analyzed by itself. if you read the fine print you will see that TMO promises unlimited Internet access, not unlimited Internet access at any particular speed. Thus (they claim), they continue to supply "unlimited" Internet access at 56kb after switching on the cap. That is, you may download any amount of data possible at 56kb. They may not even promise that. They may simply talk in terms of an "unlimited plan," which is marketing sizzle that means essentially nothing, except perhaps suggesting an absence of up-charges.
It seems that you may be suggesting that TMO promises unlimited access at any speed. That would not make sense, of course, because they are not physically capable of providing "any speed." So, what bandwidth are you buying when you sign up with a carrier? Well, essentially you are buying into an uncertain, imaginary bandwidth. By that I mean that in your own mind you imagine/hope what the bandwidth will be like, based upon that carrier's generally-stated advertising, PR releases, reputation, etc. At the current state of the wireless art, a carrier will not promise a retail customer any particular bandwidth.
That is where the "trick" lies and how unpleasant surprises arise. The carriers speak out of two sides of their mouth. One side is the advertising, PR, press releases, etc. which suggest certain bandwidth availability by making references to services (movie downloads, Internet TV, etc.) that require such bandwidth availability. The other side of their mouths is the retail subscriber contract terms which suggest just the opposite. That is, regular use of the bandwidths suggested in the PR constitutes punishable abuse.
These are untenable, contradictory positions that will likely not persist for much longer (JMO). Unfortunately, the short-term "fix" could be a metering scheme that is even worse. If they take that route, though, their ad campaign might take a big hit, as they would likely have to abandon terms like "unlimited."
It may be helpful to keep in mind what the wireless carrier business really is. A carrier spends billions of dollars to purchase spectral bandwidth from the US government. That carrier then spends additional billions of dollars to build out a network which enables them to repackage the spectral bandwidth as voice/data bandwidth to sell at retail. Like any other business, a wireless carrier will attempt to sell its service (repackaged bandwidth) for as high a price as the market will allow. Understanding this is the key to understanding why a carrier will laugh all the way to the bank when a fixed price, high-bandwidth customer threatens to cancel their contract and/or take their business elsewhere. If that happens, the carrier will simply resell that bandwidth to two or more new customers who may be smaller bandwidth consumers. Following such a transaction, the carrier will have replaced $80 per month of revenue with $160 $240 or more of monthly revenue.
Please note that my writings in this or any other XDA threads are simply personal opinions relating to public matters and are specifically not intended as statements of fact or advice. Any references to particular carriers are intended as examples only and could be applicable to any carrier.
Interesting Poll
The poll at the top of the page is interesting. At this point, at least, the extremes of "very satisfied" and "completely dissatisfied" are fairly evenly split.
Please vote if you have not already done so.
I am sure T-Mobile will double the cap pretty soon, and $30 ($25 with EM+) internet will have tethering included in the near future because AT&T is pressing hard on the new 4G smartphone + tethering pricing:
$45 with 4GB and tethering, and $10 per GB overage.
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121 gigs of transfer over Tmo in the last 31 days ?
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Yes, that is what "unlimited" means. unlimited Internet access, not unlimited Internet access at any particular speed.
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I think if even YOU (a Tmobile shill) will look at it, limiting internet speed is still LIMITING.
My contract states in clear language, UNLIMITED INTERNET ACCESS.
They have tried to force me to change that contract many times.
Many many times.
I will not change it, or allow them to change it, it is a binding contract.
Yes, they offer free phones and minutes and even freemonths for me to change it...NFW, ain't happenin.
n2ishun said:
I think if even YOU (a Tmobile shill) will look at it, limiting internet speed is still LIMITING.
My contract states in clear language, UNLIMITED INTERNET ACCESS.
They have tried to force me to change that contract many times.
Many many times.
I will not change it, or allow them to change it, it is a binding contract.
Yes, they offer free phones and minutes and even freemonths for me to change it...NFW, ain't happenin.
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A T-Mobile shill? You must not be reading my posts very carefully... LOL!
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121 gigs of transfer over Tmo in the last 31 days ?
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No; that is an application associated with a BitTorrent client that simply keeps track of Internet usage. Not sure how it is applicable to this thread, given that TMO provides the same information for TMO's wireless service.
mingkee said:
I am sure T-Mobile will double the cap pretty soon, and $30 ($25 with EM+) internet will have tethering included in the near future because AT&T is pressing hard on the new 4G smartphone + tethering pricing:
$45 with 4GB and tethering, and $10 per GB overage.
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That would be good. Let's hope that you are correct.
I pay good money for my data plan. And it is indeed very limited.
I had a talk with T-mobile on Twitter back when it was announced about the HSPA+ speeds and said why is there a cap after 5gb and I used the 21mb/s and gave them all the calculations as to how quickly that 5gb would get used up. I asked why give us faster speeds when you could be investing our money into expanding the network giving 3G speeds to areas stuck on EDGE or have no coverage from T-mobile. Their only response was stay tuned for what we have in store for our customers.
Yes throttling speed that is done purposely by T-mobile makes it not unlimited. If it was simply limited to the speed that you can get given where you are using your phone at then that would mean unlimited.
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I had a talk with T-mobile on Twitter back when it was announced about the HSPA+ speeds and said why is there a cap after 5gb and I used the 21mb/s and gave them all the calculations as to how quickly that 5gb would get used up. I asked why give us faster speeds when you could be investing our money into expanding the network giving 3G speeds to areas stuck on EDGE or have no coverage from T-mobile. Their only response was stay tuned for what we have in store for our customers.
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Yep, you clearly anticipated what my OP is about when you communicated with TMO. Let's hope that the person who suggested that you "stay tuned" was well-informed!
I imagine that the early build-out in the speed dimension was a marketing tool designed to capture customers based upon the "wow" factor of enormous speed. However, a carrier who does not quickly follow this angle up with building out in the capacity dimension will (and has) disappoint(ed) customers and will likely fall flat on their face. Wireless carriers are, of course, a limited monopoly, limited by available spectral bandwidth constraints and huge investment costs. We in the U.S. are fortunate to at least have a few carriers to compete for customers. Hopefully that competition will be sufficient to continue to drive investment in capacity. If not, the public sector can always step in... At the end of the day, the freqency spectrum, like the air we breath, is owned by the people. We may lease it out. We may also cancel leases for the public good...
And only a week after I finally rooted my Mytouch slide....
From Engadget-
AT&T to Acquire T-Mobile USA from Deutsche Telekom
Provides Fast, Efficient and Certain Solution to Impending Spectrum Exhaust Challenges Facing AT&T and T-Mobile USA in Key Markets Due to Explosive Demand for Mobile Broadband
Enhances Network Capacity, Output and Quality in Near Term for Both Companies' Customers
AT&T Commits to Expand 4G LTE Deployment to an Additional 46.5 Million Americans, Including in Rural, Smaller Communities, for a Total of 294 Million or 95% of the U.S. Population
Provides 4G LTE Service for T-Mobile USA's 34 Million Subscribers
More Than $8 Billion in Incremental Infrastructure Spend by a U.S. Company over Seven Years, Enabling Nation's High-Tech Industry, Innovation and Economic Growth
Creates Substantial Value for AT&T Shareholders Through Large, Straightforward Synergies
DALLAS & BONN, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)--AT&T Inc. (NYSE: T) and Deutsche Telekom AG (FWB: DTE) today announced that they have entered into a definitive agreement under which AT&T will acquire T-Mobile USA from Deutsche Telekom in a cash-and-stock transaction currently valued at approximately $39 billion. The agreement has been approved by the Boards of Directors of both companies.
"This transaction represents a major commitment to strengthen and expand critical infrastructure for our nation's future."
AT&T's acquisition of T-Mobile USA provides an optimal combination of network assets to add capacity sooner than any alternative, and it provides an opportunity to improve network quality in the near term for both companies' customers. In addition, it provides a fast, efficient and certain solution to the impending exhaustion of wireless spectrum in some markets, which limits both companies' ability to meet the ongoing explosive demand for mobile broadband.
With this transaction, AT&T commits to a significant expansion of robust 4G LTE (Long Term Evolution) deployment to 95 percent of the U.S. population to reach an additional 46.5 million Americans beyond current plans – including rural communities and small towns. This helps achieve the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and President Obama's goals to connect "every part of America to the digital age." T-Mobile USA does not have a clear path to delivering LTE.
"This transaction represents a major commitment to strengthen and expand critical infrastructure for our nation's future," said Randall Stephenson, AT&T Chairman and CEO. "It will improve network quality, and it will bring advanced LTE capabilities to more than 294 million people. Mobile broadband networks drive economic opportunity everywhere, and they enable the expanding high-tech ecosystem that includes device makers, cloud and content providers, app developers, customers, and more. During the past few years, America's high-tech industry has delivered innovation at unprecedented speed, and this combination will accelerate its continued growth."
Stephenson continued, "This transaction delivers significant customer, shareowner and public benefits that are available at this level only from the combination of these two companies with complementary network technologies, spectrum positions and operations. We are confident in our ability to execute a seamless integration, and with additional spectrum and network capabilities, we can better meet our customers' current demands, build for the future and help achieve the President's goals for a high-speed, wirelessly connected America."
Deutsche Telekom Chairman and CEO René Obermann said, "After evaluating strategic options for T-Mobile USA, I am confident that AT&T is the best partner for our customers, shareholders and the mobile broadband ecosystem. Our common network technology makes this a logical combination and provides an efficient path to gaining the spectrum and network assets needed to provide T-Mobile customers with 4G LTE and the best devices. Also, the transaction returns significant value to Deutsche Telekom shareholders and allows us to retain exposure to the U.S. market."
As part of the transaction, Deutsche Telekom will receive an equity stake in AT&T that, based on the terms of the agreement, would give Deutsche Telekom an ownership interest in AT&T of approximately 8 percent. A Deutsche Telekom representative will join the AT&T Board of Directors.
Competition and Pricing
The U.S. wireless industry is one of the most fiercely competitive markets in the world and will remain so after this deal. The U.S. is one of the few countries in the world where a large majority of consumers can choose from five or more wireless providers in their local market. For example, in 18 of the top 20 U.S. local markets, there are five or more providers. Local market competition is escalating among larger carriers, low-cost carriers and several regional wireless players with nationwide service plans. This intense competition is only increasing with the build-out of new 4G networks and the emergence of new market entrants.
The competitiveness of the market has directly benefited consumers. A 2010 report from the U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) states the overall average price (adjusted for inflation) for wireless services declined 50 percent from 1999 to 2009, during a period which saw five major wireless mergers.
Addresses wireless spectrum challenges facing AT&T, T-Mobile USA, their customers, and U.S. policymakers
This transaction quickly provides the spectrum and network efficiencies necessary for AT&T to address impending spectrum exhaust in key markets driven by the exponential growth in mobile broadband traffic on its network. AT&T's mobile data traffic grew 8,000 percent over the past four years and by 2015 it is expected to be eight to 10 times what it was in 2010. Put another way, all of the mobile traffic volume AT&T carried during 2010 is estimated to be carried in just the first six to seven weeks of 2015. Because AT&T has led the U.S. in smartphones, tablets and e-readers – and as a result, mobile broadband – it requires additional spectrum before new spectrum will become available. In the long term, the entire industry will need additional spectrum to address the explosive growth in demand for mobile broadband.
Improves service quality for U.S. wireless customers
AT&T and T-Mobile USA customers will see service improvements - including improved voice quality - as a result of additional spectrum, increased cell tower density and broader network infrastructure. At closing, AT&T will immediately gain cell sites equivalent to what would have taken on average five years to build without the transaction, and double that in some markets. The combination will increase AT&T's network density by approximately 30 percent in some of its most populated areas, while avoiding the need to construct additional cell towers. This transaction will increase spectrum efficiency to increase capacity and output, which not only improves service, but is also the best way to ensure competitive prices and services in a market where demand is extremely high and spectrum is in short supply.
Expands 4G LTE deployment to 95 percent of U.S. population – urban and rural areas
This transaction will directly benefit an additional 46.5 million Americans – equivalent to the combined populations of the states of New York and Texas – who will, as a result of this combination, have access to AT&T's latest 4G LTE technology. In terms of area covered, the transaction enables 4G LTE deployment to an additional 1.2 million square miles, equivalent to 4.5 times the size of the state of Texas. Rural and smaller communities will substantially benefit from the expansion of 4G LTE deployment, increasing the competitiveness of the businesses and entrepreneurs in these areas.
Increases AT&T's investment in the U.S.
The acquisition will increase AT&T's infrastructure investment in the U.S. by more than $8 billion over seven years. Expansion of AT&T's 4G LTE network is an important foundation for the next wave of innovation and growth in mobile broadband, ensuring the U.S. continues to lead the world in wireless technology and availability. It makes T-Mobile USA, currently a German-owned U.S. telecom network, part of a U.S.-based company.
An impressive, combined workforce
Bringing AT&T and T-Mobile USA together will create an impressive workforce that is best positioned to compete in today's global economy. Post-closing, AT&T intends to tap into the significant knowledge and expertise held by employees of both AT&T and T-Mobile USA to succeed. AT&T is the only major U.S. wireless company with a union workforce, offering leading wages, benefits, training and development for employees. The combined company will continue to have a strong employee and operations base in the Seattle area.
Consistent with AT&T's track record of value-enhancing acquisitions
AT&T has a strong track record of executing value-enhancing acquisitions and expects to create substantial value for shareholders through large, straightforward synergies with a run rate of more than $3 billion, three years after closing onward (excluding integration costs). The value of the synergies is expected to exceed the purchase price of $39 billion. Revenue synergies come from opportunities to increase smartphone penetration and data average revenue per user, with cost savings coming from network efficiencies, subscriber and support savings, reduced churn and avoided capital and spectrum expenditures.
The transaction will enhance margin potential and improve the company's long-term revenue growth potential as it benefits from a more robust mobile broadband platform for new services.
Additional financial information
The $39 billion purchase price will include a cash payment of $25 billion with the balance to be paid using AT&T common stock, subject to adjustment. AT&T has the right to increase the cash portion of the purchase price by up to $4.2 billion with a corresponding reduction in the stock component, so long as Deutsche Telekom receives at least a 5 percent equity ownership interest in AT&T.
The number of AT&T shares issued will be based on the AT&T share price during the 30-day period prior to closing, subject to a 7.5 percent collar; there is a one-year lock-up period during which Deutsche Telekom cannot sell shares.
The cash portion of the purchase price will be financed with new debt and cash on AT&T's balance sheet. AT&T has an 18-month commitment for a one-year unsecured bridge term facility underwritten by J.P. Morgan for $20 billion. AT&T assumes no debt from T-Mobile USA or Deutsche Telekom and continues to have a strong balance sheet.
The transaction is expected to be earnings (excluding non-cash amortization and integration costs) accretive in the third year after closing. Pro-forma for 2010, this transaction increases AT&T's total wireless revenues from $58.5 billion to nearly $80 billion, and increases the percentage of AT&T's total revenues from wireless, wireline data and managed services to approximately 80 percent.
This transaction will allow for sufficient cash flow to support AT&T's dividend. AT&T has increased its dividend for 27 consecutive years, a matter decided by AT&T's Board of Directors.
Conditions
The acquisition is subject to regulatory approvals, a reverse breakup fee in certain circumstances, and other customary regulatory and other closing conditions. The transaction is expected to close in approximately 12 months.
Advisors
Greenhill & Co., J.P. Morgan and Evercore Partners acted as financial advisors and Sullivan & Cromwell LLP, Arnold & Porter, and Crowell & Moring provided legal advice to AT&T.
Conference Call/Webcast
On Monday, March 21, 2011, at 8 a.m. ET, AT&T Inc. will host a live video and audio webcast presentation regarding its announcement to acquire T-Mobile USA. Links to the webcast and accompanying documents will be available on AT&T's Investor Relations website. Please log in 15 minutes ahead of time to test your browser and register for the call.
For dial-in access, please dial +1 (888) 517-2464 within the U.S. or +1 (630) 827-6816 outside the U.S. after 7:30 a.m. ET. Enter passcode 8442095# to join or ask the conference call operator for the AT&T Investor Relations event.
The webcast will be available for replay on AT&T's Investor Relations website on March 21, 2011, starting at 12:30 p.m. ET through April 21, 2011. An archive of the conference call will also be available during this time period.
Transaction Website
More Information on the acquisition of Tmobile by AT&T from TmoNews-
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Deutsche Telekom to receive 39 billion USD for US-business Deutsche Telekom to have up to 8 percent stake in the leading US
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AT&T takes over US mobile business from Deutsche Telekom
•Deutsche Telekom will receive 25 billion USD in cash and 14 billion USD in AT&T shares
•Attractive multiple of 7.1 times 2010 adjusted EBITDA
•Deutsche Telekom plans to use approximately 5 billion EUR for sharebuybacks
•Deutsche Telekom net debt is planned to be reduced by approximately 13 billion EUR or 31 percent
gg so long unlimted data usage
To clarify, they have not yet purchased them. They will if regulators (RIP Nate Dogg) approve the merge.
eclipsed450 said:
To clarify, they have not yet purchased them. They will if regulators (RIP Nate Dogg) approve the merge.
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+1 on the nate dogg ref.... and correct it is expected to take the next 12 months, but I very much doubt there will be any regulatory issues involved in the purchase.
BOOOOOOO I say. I hate AT&T and all their IPhone loving zombie customers. My 12 year old T-Mobile account (formally voicestream before the name change) will be cancelled the hour the acquisition goes through. AT&T will not see one red cent of my money.
What I hope, is that AT&T updates our rom to Sense (normal sense) not Espresso/mySense
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I will move to sprint if at&t pulls the same BS they do with their customers.
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From what I understand, AT&T is planning to honor any contracts including pricing that are made before the merger is complete, but I do have a feeling pricing will eventually increase for plans, and somehow AT&T will find a way to cap our unlimited data plans as they do with their customers
This is what I got off of T-Mobile's website:
An agreement was announced under which AT&T will acquire T-Mobile USA. The agreement is the first step in a process that, including regulatory approvals, is expected to be completed in approximately 12 months. Until then, we remain a separate company and continue to operate independently.
We know our customers, business partners and others may have many questions.
Here is some more information:
Will my service change?
There is no change in your service and we remain committed to ensuring you have the best experience possible experience using your T-Mobile USA products and services.
Will I now be billed by AT&T?
No, your billing remains exactly the same. T-Mobile USA continues to operate as an independent company. As always, you would receive advance notice to any changes to your services.
Why is T-Mobile USA doing this?
Bringing together these two world-class businesses will create significant benefits for customers. The merger will ensure the deployment of a robust 4G LTE network to 95% of the U.S. population, something neither company would achieve on its own. Also, because of our compatible networks and spectrum, the customers of T-Mobile USA and AT&T will experience improved voice and data service almost immediately after the networks are integrated.
Will T-Mobile USA’s quality be reduced?
No. In fact, the combination of AT&T and T-Mobile USA will offer an even stronger service to customers. Until the acquisition is closed, we will work hard to maintain our position as the value leader with America’s largest 4G network.
If the acquisition closes, will I still be able to use my T-Mobile USA phone?
Yes. Your T-Mobile USA device will operate the same in the future as it does today.
Should I wait to sign-up with T-Mobile USA or upgrade my phone?
No, T-Mobile USA offers the latest wireless devices that are affordable on America’s Largest 4G Network and the combination of AT&T and T-Mobile USA will mean even stronger service for our customers. Now is a great time to be a T-Mobile customer.
Is T-Mobile USA getting the iPhone?
T-Mobile USA remains an independent company. The acquisition is expected to be completed in approximately 12 months. We do not offer the iPhone. We offer cutting edge devices like the Samsung Galaxy S 4G and coming soon our new Sidekick 4G.
Will my rate plan change because of the acquisition?
We will honor all contracted plans that are entered into before the change of ownership.
Where can I express my opinion on this?
T-Mobile customers can utilize the company's online Forums.
Is T-Mobile USA getting the iPhone?
We do not offer the iPhone. We offer cutting edge devices like the Samsung Galaxy S 4G.
LOLOL iphone burn.
This has totally crushed my day, I love tmobile and their customer service. This sucks big balls
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Well the day the merger happens I will be leaving. F*** At&T and their bull**** rate increases and data caps. I would rather have a soup can and string to make my calls.
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yup. This is why I was with t-mo they were the only cell company that had even a tiny bit of customer service and weren't just reaming their customers on data.
I guess there goes that. we live in a time when businesses have realized that if they all screw their customers there's no one for you to leave them for that would be better.
(insert starwars deathstar theme song)
PcFish said:
Is T-Mobile USA getting the iPhone?
We do not offer the iPhone. We offer cutting edge devices like the Samsung Galaxy S 4G.
LOLOL iphone burn.
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After a few years of being AT&T we all will be able to use the iphone...
At first the primary target is 4G LTE, when AT&T-mobile finish that project they are going to work on getting everyone on the same frequency. But we are talking years before we all benefit from greater coverage on 2-3G towers... but hey keep in mind T-mobile fans, Our cheap ass rate plans with unlimited data caps WILL be grandfathered! so hang tight we will be fine when the empire takes over! If you already have AT&T you should switch now get the better plans and then in a years time youre back with AT&T! LONG LIVE THE REBELLION!
Interesting times indeed.
I'm not sweatin' it.
Awesome Regulators ref. earlier in the thread btw!!!!!!!
Which providers in Germany actually support the full HSPA+ 42?
I'm looking for a post-paid plan that will provide me with the highest or almost the highest data speed on the Nexus 4.
Roughly the first 500MB at that high speed would be sufficient. About 100 to 200 minutes of talk time and less than 50 text messages would be sufficient. Any recommendations for a particular plan? I need a post-paid plan as I would need port the number in from my current BASE (e-plus) provider, which offers horrible data service in my small city in Germany.
PS: I am expecting my new Nexus 4 to arrive as early as this Saturday
New2Houston said:
Which providers in Germany actually support the full HSPA+ 42?
I'm looking for a post-paid plan that will provide me with the highest or almost the highest data speed on the Nexus 4.
Roughly the first 500MB at that high speed would be sufficient. About 100 to 200 minutes of talk time and less than 50 text messages would be sufficient. Any recommendations for a particular plan? I need a post-paid plan as I would need port the number in from my current BASE (e-plus) provider, which offers horrible data service in my small city in Germany.
PS: I am expecting my new Nexus 4 to arrive as early as this Saturday
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Only T-Mobile. Plans, no clue. Call the shop?
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Only T-Mobile. Plans, no clue. Call the shop?
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Thanks! So it is the same as in the US, where also only T-Mobile has HSPA+ 42.
For those of you unaware, Three UK is one of the main networks/carriers in the UK. Starting from tomorrow they are reintroducing their "One Plan" tariff at a brand new price of £15pm with a 12 month agreement or £18pm with a 1 month agreement.
What you get is-
2000 Cross Network Minutes
5000 Texts
5000 3 to 3 Minutes (same network)
Unlimited data on 3G and 4G
Unlimited Tethering
£15pm/$23pm/€18pm
Three have introduced a new 4G promise where they are upgrading customers on any exisiting tariff to 4G LTE free of charge when they launch the service later this year. Three currently have a DC-HSPA+ compatible network with 98% coverage and speeds of up to 42mbps (similar to T-Mobile USA).
With this plan there is no fair use policy on the data and people in the past have literally tethered over 200GB in the past with no issues at all. I myself use around ~30GB on average every month. Speeds are great as well as it's currently the best 3G network in the UK and i regularly get over 10mbps and even over 20mbps sometimes. And with the 4G addition coming later this year this plan provides the best value on the market by far and is actually the only unlimited data tariff which allows you to tether.
The price before the price drop was £25pm. But at £15pm this is a bargain and will be available to buy from three tomorrow.
http://www.three.co.uk