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So I've done a bunch of researching and I want the pros opinions.can I clone my evo info(msid amd the such) to my eris and have it run? itd be a great back up phone! As usual any help or knowledge is much appreciated!
I believe Sprint is GSM and Verizon is CDMA so their networks aren't compatible so you wont be able to use the eris on Sprints network.
Oh, i could have sworn sprint was GSM, guess I should make sure of these things before I go posting them.
I don't want to sound rude but have knowledge of the subject before replying please. Sprint and verizon are cdma technologies. Att and tmobile are gsm. Hence the sim card....thankyou all the same dude....
[edit]: I saw your other post that answered my question (why would you want to when you could get an EVO or better?).
You probably can; though, it will probably require some serious effort on your part.
xdabens said:
I believe Sprint is GSM and Verizon is CDMA so their networks aren't compatible so you wont be able to use the eris on Sprints network.
Oh, i could have sworn sprint was GSM, guess I should make sure of these things before I go posting them.
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sprint is cdma atleast i believe the hero is
xdabens said:
I believe Sprint is GSM and Verizon is CDMA so their networks aren't compatible so you wont be able to use the eris on Sprints network.
where do u think some of our roms come from
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Smart a$$. Lol. Jk bro. Hey Tazz I wanted to know if you will be working on cyanogenmod 7 whenever it comes out?
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Cloning phones is illegal in most places.
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Stonent said:
Cloning phones is illegal in most places.
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Why is it illegal? I ask this because I personally have flashed roms from all these great devs and sometimes I get one that says Sprint even though I'm with Verizon.
xdabens said:
I believe Sprint is GSM and Verizon is CDMA so their networks aren't compatible so you wont be able to use the eris on Sprints network.
Oh, i could have sworn sprint was GSM, guess I should make sure of these things before I go posting them.
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No they are both CDMA!! You need to get your facts straight.
Stonent said:
Cloning phones is illegal in most places.
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The answer is, from beginning to end, changing carriers via changing ESN's is illegal in most places, and, as a result, has no real place on this forum.
I don't know if there's a section around that relates to changing ESN's for other purposes, but this kind of activity is not condoned, supported, or even allowed by posting rules to be posted here.
The Eris, technically, has all of the hardware and software necessary to run on Sprint, Cricket, and most other CDMA networks. Each network keeps close track of what Serial numbers it will allow to operate on their network. So to answer your question, yes it is possible, but no it is not legal, and the details of the procedure (which I have no idea) are not going to be easily found here, and this thread will probably be closed, bearing the introduction of such a discussion.
I'm surprised how many useless threads people start these days.
Its amazing to me that something like this would be illegal. Where has our freedom gone?
flashing to a different carrier isn't illegal. Only ESN changing is. Flashing to a different carrier is quite possible. However, its easiest when there are identical phones on two different carriers, that way you can just flash the firmware from one to another. Also, the provider has to be willing to accept it. Verizon for the most part will accept phones that aren't produced by them, same for MetroPCS and Cricket. Sprint, and Cellular South will not. I believe I covered the major CDMA carriers.
For those that are confused. Flashing to a different providers firmware on an identical phone does not change the ESN. It just provides the new providers network information and roaming list. Case in point. I used to own a Moto Q9C, I flashed it between Cricket, Verizon, and Alltel on a monthly basis, depending on where I was going and who had the best coverage plan. ESN was never changed. Since those providers openly allow outside devices.
I'm on my eris now, I would like to take it to cellular south and I know a tech that would activate it, however, I'm not smart enough to change all the correct settings to get it to operate on their towers (would be very simple if THEY sold an eris, I could just grab eris firmware from one of their devices.)
DarthMowzy said:
Its amazing to me that something like this would be illegal. Where has our freedom gone?
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We live in America. We are not free. We are slaves to the federal government and to the tax code. My $.02
viogrep said:
flashing to a different carrier isn't illegal. Only ESN changing is. Flashing to a different carrier is quite possible. However, its easiest when there are identical phones on two different carriers, that way you can just flash the firmware from one to another. Also, the provider has to be willing to accept it. Verizon for the most part will accept phones that aren't produced by them, same for MetroPCS and Cricket. Sprint, and Cellular South will not. I believe I covered the major CDMA carriers.
For those that are confused. Flashing to a different providers firmware on an identical phone does not change the ESN. It just provides the new providers network information and roaming list. Case in point. I used to own a Moto Q9C, I flashed it between Cricket, Verizon, and Alltel on a monthly basis, depending on where I was going and who had the best coverage plan. ESN was never changed. Since those providers openly allow outside devices.
I'm on my eris now, I would like to take it to cellular south and I know a tech that would activate it, however, I'm not smart enough to change all the correct settings to get it to operate on their towers (would be very simple if THEY sold an eris, I could just grab eris firmware from one of their devices.)
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Thanks, at least someone on this thread knows what they're talking about.
Changing ESNs is illegal because there's pretty much no reason to do it except to clone other people's phones (essentially stealing their accounts).
Changing ESNs would be like rewriting the magnetic strip on your credit card with someone elses.
Your problem is weather or not Sprint will let you register the ESN on their network. The phone is compatible. Verizon is keeping track of their ESNs. If a phone isn't one of their's they won't let it on thier network. I don't know about Sprit, but it's problable the same. So you are probably out of luck.
FYI, the diffence in a Rom displaying Verizon or Sprint it just in a text file. I has nothing to do with the running code. Many of the Eris 2.2 ROMs are a port from the Srint Hero. Someone just didn't update the file.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730289&highlight=cricket
This may help if you have not seen it, I flashed my eris to MetroPCS with this.
Thanks to viogrep for bringing some sanity to this thread.
If you want to explore a little, and you have the 1.49.2000 S-OFF bootloader on your phone, see
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9878143&postcount=8
You can have your bootloader dump your "mfg" partition to your SD card for inspection with a hex editor.
I'm no carrier-flashing expert, but I think that this "mfg" partition is pivotal in storing the carrier and PRL settings.
bftb0
PS The above mentioned thread also gives instructions for custom-booting Amon_RA so that you have privilege and access to any of the other "hidden" partitions on the phone.
Does Bad ESN mean that i wont be able to use the device on a certain provider?For a excample if i buy bad esn SPRINT galaxy tab, will unlocking it make it able to be used in other providers?
chopho said:
Does Bad ESN mean that i wont be able to use the device on a certain provider?For a excample if i buy bad esn SPRINT galaxy tab, will unlocking it make it able to be used in other providers?
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If its sprint or verizon, it cannot be unlocked, its CDMA. I think. Once the ESN is bad it cannot be activated, not sure if they can be flashed to other CDMA provider.
It means that the carrier (Verizon or Sprint) has flagged the ESN in their system as either unauthorized or invalid; usually due to the unit being stolen, written-off, account was sent to collections, etc.
chopho said:
Does Bad ESN mean that i wont be able to use the device on a certain provider?For a excample if i buy bad esn SPRINT galaxy tab, will unlocking it make it able to be used in other providers?
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Yes.
At this point one it is very likely to be forced to have an ESN transplant.
I am unaware of a CDMA provider who will take the Tab.
It may be worth calling the carrier to determine if the ESN has a block or if its just not loaded. There have been situations where the device ESN or "flat file" was not loaded or loaded incorrectly into their system. If this is the case they can put in a ticket to have the ESN re-loaded or corrected... If it's blocked due to delinquent account or marked as stolen... good luck.
Also flashing the device to another CDMA carrier if virtually impossible because that "flat file" needs to be loaded in their system. If it was intended for Sprint there is no way Verizon is going to allow it to be added on their network.
chris98822 said:
If it was intended for Sprint there is no way Verizon is going to allow it to be added on their network.
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I would not say NO way...
Hi, i live in Brazil, and i was looking for some smartphones on ebay, so i find one cheap shift evo, but it is a sprint bad esn.
I want to know, if i buy this phone, unlock, and flash, i could use here in Brazil?
Wait any reply!
P.S. Sorry by the Bad English.
well it all depends on what cell service you use if they will take it bust thing if your not sure is buy ones with clean esn or google what service will take them and make sure if you do flash them if they will even put them on for you not all places can/or will add a esn for you
vileladelima said:
Hi, i live in Brazil, and i was looking for some smartphones on ebay, so i find one cheap shift evo, but it is a sprint bad esn.
I want to know, if i buy this phone, unlock, and flash, i could use here in Brazil?
Wait any reply!
P.S. Sorry by the Bad English.
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Not sure if the bad ESN thing is going to matter in Brasil or not. But based on a little checking I was doing it should work in Brasil. You guys do have CDMA. But your going to have to have someone change the settings to work on the Network you choose. I would also do a lot more checking online ( Google ) . Also I would try and find someone who can modify the phone to work there, before I purchased it. Better to check and make sure before you buy. Below are a couple of links for you.
Shift Specs :
http://www.htc.com/us/products/shift-sprint#tech-specs
Cell Carriers in Brasil :
http://www.gringoes.com/articles.asp?ID_Noticia=560
The bad ESN usually only prevents the phone from being activated on the original carrier. Theoretically, a bad Sprint ESN Shift can be activated to work on Verizon, though they won't do it. As long as his Brazil carrier will accept phones from outside sources, he shouldn't have any problems. It would be like taking a bad ESN Sprint phone and getting it flashed to Cricket.
I'm trying to activate my old Droid Incredible on PagePlus, but it keeps coming up with a Bad ESN. I know for a fact the phone has a good ESN and isn't reported stolen or missing, I bought it AND payed the bills...so WTF VZW? Can anyone help?
I know this is a stupid question but did you unlock it first?
don't know if it even needs to be, just thought I'd ask.
BenHolliday said:
I know this is a stupid question but did you unlock it first?
don't know if it even needs to be, just thought I'd ask.
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It doesn't need to be unlocked on the Pageplus Network, it piggybacks on the VZW network. That's why it wont activate cause every time they try the VZW network keeps returning back a Bad ESN, when its not...I called them and they were clueless to what I was talking about.
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It doesn't need to be unlocked on the Pageplus Network, it piggybacks on the VZW network. That's why it wont activate cause every time they try the VZW network keeps returning back a Bad ESN, when its not...I called them and they were clueless to what I was talking about.
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You need to contact VZW and have them release the esn number. Also when I activated three incs on pageplus I used the meid # not esn
Hope this helps
I have a Inc on pageplus, as the guy above me said. Make verizon has 'let' go of the esn, even if you've upgraded or left after finishing your contract they still keep your esm sometimes.
If it comes to it, you can buy a cheap phone and activate it. Call pageplus and tell them you got a new phone, and need. To change esns.
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Greetings, I can't seem to find a definite answer or guide to this. I have a sprint galaxy s4 and once my contract was up I was looking to get off sprint and onto another contract, looking at verizon as my friends happen with them. I know they both use cdma. If I have them unlock the phone, can it be brought over and used that easily? If not, what must I do? Custom root? Find a verizon s4 motherboard with clean esn? I'm willing to do it to not spend a few hundred bucks on a new phone. I'd liketo give it to my mother and get the s6 for myself when it comes out.
Man, I'm 0 for 2 here. Anything?
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94 views, not a peep. I thought these forums were active and helpful? Perhaps not?
All of my research leads me to believe I'd need to get a verizon logicboard with a clean esn. Maybe I can trade for one, but I would like some confirmation before I spend the 80 bucks or so. Thanks.
Dabba87 said:
Greetings, I can't seem to find a definite answer or guide to this. I have a sprint galaxy s4 and once my contract was up I was looking to get off sprint and onto another contract, looking at verizon as my friends happen with them. I know they both use cdma. If I have them unlock the phone, can it be brought over and used that easily? If not, what must I do? Custom root? Find a verizon s4 motherboard with clean esn? I'm willing to do it to not spend a few hundred bucks on a new phone. I'd liketo give it to my mother and get the s6 for myself when it comes out.
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is your phone still locked on sprint?
xDroidZz said:
is your phone still locked on sprint?
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Hello DroidZ,
It is. I was planning to have them unlock it. But I heard that though both are CDMA, I wouldnt have full 4g with it. I was contemplating buying a verizon (or any other carrier's logic board that I would switch to) and sell my sprint board.
Of course I'd need a clean esn right?
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You can use the Sprint S4 on Verizon, assuming it's possible for you to unlock it from Sprint's network, but LTE will never work. Verizon uses standard LTE frequencies (750 & 1700MHz) while Sprint uses "Extended PCS", i.e. Spark. Totally different technologies.
You'll need a new phone to take full advantage of Verizon infrastructure, which unfortunately means dealing with an encrypted (locked) bootloader.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
You can use the Sprint S4 on Verizon, assuming it's possible for you to unlock it from Sprint's network, but LTE will never work. Verizon uses standard LTE frequencies (750 & 1700MHz) while Sprint uses "Extended PCS", i.e. Spark. Totally different technologies.
You'll need a new phone to take full advantage of Verizon infrastructure, which unfortunately means dealing with an encrypted (locked) bootloader.
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Greetings,
Does that mean swapping the logic board with a verizon version won't fix the LTE problem? So I'd get normal 4g? I suppose I could try it. Couldnt deal with 3G. I guess I'm asking if there are any parts I could swap out to fix the problem or if I'm just screwed.
Thanks man.
Dabba
If you have a Sprint phone, you cannot simply purchase a Verizon motherboard and replace the Sprint motherboard with it. Why it won't work is because the design of the two motherboards is sufficiently different that if you tried it the Verizon motherboard wouldn't fit in the midframe.
In simpler language, you're screwed. You need a new phone if you want LTE. Whether that is a new phone from Verizon or a used device off Swappa is irrelevant, so long as the MEID is clear.
Hmm, I didnt know the motherboards were actually different. That sucks, I assumed they were more like computers. Oh well, thanks for the info though, now I know!
Again, thanks a bunch