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Hello..I am an overall very excited HTC HD2 user but i am having huge battery problems which is why i am asking for your insights In general if phone is idle it can go as far as 35 hours straight without any charging.But when i start playing around with it, browse menus , look through settings,launch apps e.t.c the battery drains like mad..sometimes even 3% in 10 minutes..
i do not know what could be the cause of this in particular since listening to mp3, watching movies does not chalk down too much power,i can even say i was slightly happy in that area(consumption and quality wise)..
so far i have done the below..
-hard reseted
-got a brilliant new mmc (transcend 8gb class 6 FTW )
-flight mode only during nights
-bsb tweaks
-some of the tweaks mentioned in the registry tweak for battery thread (not mmc ones, read alot about data corruption risks)
-tested battery (output voltage and mah are fine and it only gets warm after 3 hours of constant ndrive use-which is normal)
-i never installed anywhere else besides phone memory(apps/games)
-virus free
-i have no data plan so 3g/hsdpa access is not a possibility(also deactivated all connections from NoData app)
-disabled all auto update app functions(weather,footprints, my location ,time e.t.c)
the only possible deal i can figure out its to blame is the radio rom..
As i said earlier i am very interested in hearing your thoughts,comments,suggestions on my issue..Thanks for hearing me out
specs
manila : 2.5.19211619
Rom : 1.66.482.1 (gr) - official
radio rom : 2.06.51.07
do you use msn live?
i have the SAME EXACT problem, i do NOT have any apps running, i always use cleanram, every apps always get terminated.
as soon as i TOUCH my phone, the battery drains, this battery is rediculous, i have BsB tweaks with powersaving, i dont beleive how you guys get a full day out of this crappy battery when mine doesnt last 10 hours with just texing/and web browsing. im on my third battery replacement, i conditioned my battery three times and STILL the same problem, i feel like braking this phone in half, im using my blackberry bold 9700 now which lasts me 3 days with FULL usage ALL day, my hd2 is about to see the hammer soon
try flashing it to another rom
I stepped from stock rom to artemis and I use my HD2 often but with the stock rom i didn't even came to the middle of the day but with that artemis rom i can get till next day morning without charging plus it's very stable and i almost never do a soft reset and i use this artemis rom about a month now and i didn't even do a hard reset after flashing
sorry for my english hope you understand me
My HD2 will last 2 days constant usage. This includes web surfing and emails being pulled down all day via exchange.
The battery goes down quick to about 30% and will stay around there for ages.
Baker0 said:
do you use msn live?
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No sir...and when i do i shut it down via resco task manager.. :/
Finezt said:
try flashing it to another rom
I stepped from stock rom to artemis and I use my HD2 often but with the stock rom i didn't even came to the middle of the day but with that artemis rom i can get till next day morning without charging plus it's very stable and i almost never do a soft reset and i use this artemis rom about a month now and i didn't even do a hard reset after flashing
sorry for my english hope you understand me
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I hear good things about artemis as well but i am afraid i am not up to the flashing challenge..too much of a chicken to play russian rulette worth 680 euros :3 (in case i break something)
just for a test select sign in with a different account so it wipes your details amd reset, use your phone normally and dont use live see how that gets on.
I had my phone running for 2 - 3 days of medium use. as soon as i signed up for live it was lasting less that a day even if i used task manager. I then wiped my details then it was back to normal again.
chris2busy said:
No sir...and when i do i shut it down via resco task manager.. :/
I hear good things about artemis as well but i am afraid i am not up to the flashing challenge..too much of a chicken to play russian rulette worth 680 euros :3 (in case i break something)
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With Artemis you can hardly go wrong. It does not flash your radio only the OS part, you do not have to use HSPL but SSPL which is far easier to perform. It's all explained on the Artemis thread itself: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612580
regards, Kuzibri
BTW, if anything should go wrong, almost impossible with Artemis ROM's, then you can always flash back one of the original stock ROM.s from HTC itself (1.66 or 1.72)
kuzibri said:
With Artemis you can hardly go wrong. It does not flash your radio only the OS part, you do not have to use HSPL but SSPL which is far easier to perform. It's all explained on the Artemis thread itself:
regards, Kuzibri
BTW, if anything should go wrong, almost impossible with Artemis ROM's, then you can always flash back one of the original stock ROM.s from HTC itself (1.66 or 1.72)
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hmmm...this is actually interesting...the artemis post seems to be fairly close to stock rom...BUT..if i backup all stuff i got now, will the usual apps (spb backup e.t.c) store everything?like e.g pc imaging apps(acronis true image , paragon drive backup) ? and if they do...and something goes wrong i can restore from pc even if hd2 becomes unbootable?
i really wish there was something simpler than me meddling with flashing :S im more into-system knowledge oriented guy :S
Baker0 said:
just for a test select sign in with a different account so it wipes your details amd reset, use your phone normally and dont use live see how that gets on.
I had my phone running for 2 - 3 days of medium use. as soon as i signed up for live it was lasting less that a day even if i used task manager. I then wiped my details then it was back to normal again.
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done...will report changes tomorrow..
chris2busy said:
hmmm...this is actually interesting...the artemis post seems to be fairly close to stock rom...BUT..if i backup all stuff i got now, will the usual apps (spb backup e.t.c) store everything?like e.g pc imaging apps(acronis true image , paragon drive backup) ? and if they do...and something goes wrong i can restore from pc even if hd2 becomes unbootable?
i really wish there was something simpler than me meddling with flashing :S im more into-system knowledge oriented guy :S
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I understand your "reluctance" to flash a new ROM, but to be honest if you go wrong with flashing Artemis Rom, you will probably never will be ready/equippped to flash a new ROM. Flashing a Artemis ROM is as easy as it can be!
regards, Kuzibri
^_^ i turned down the backlight to 20% and noticed an improvement in battery life.
dracd said:
^_^ i turned down the backlight to 20% and noticed an improvement in battery life.
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mine is set to 30% and with auto backlight off..its the ideal for my taste actually, even for the sunniest mornings
The WLmessenger change did not bear any fruits..i squeezed out all its batt to just see any time difference but nada..
Oh well, i might probably have to get over myself and start the flashing frenzy(i hear its quite addicting )
Byt the by , there is supposed to be a WWE version of 1.7.x this month i believe..maybe i will start with that and if it gets me nowhere Artemis here i come!
i'm just waiting for a 1500 capacity battery... which is all i need...
running full power and and heavy use... i manage to make it home to charge... but still... i would much rather have a bigger battery to avoid some worrying...
1500 would be soo perfect.. that accessory alone would add an extra 3-4 hours of life on my phone.. which would be more then enough...
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there is supposed to be a WWE version of 1.7.x this month i believe..maybe i
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Hopefully it comes out soon, but I'm tempted to try Artemis at the moment.
By the way i have 1 weird question about all those ROMs..Are they created from scratch from their makers or are they just modified/edited/tweaked versions of the original OS (ROM) that shipped with the phone?
I ordered a battery bundle with a wall charger, 2X1200mh batteries and a Mirco USB wire for $14 bucks. This is my first full smartphone so its hard for me to get used to the battery life.
I turned off all communications to flight mode. Yet my HD2 battery power keeps dropping fast. I dont have this problem with all my previous windows phone. Whats wrong? I'm using factory rom
malisha1 said:
I ordered a battery bundle with a wall charger, 2X1200mh batteries and a Mirco USB wire for $14 bucks. This is my first full smartphone so its hard for me to get used to the battery life.
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yea the hd2's minimal battery life is something that i never had to deal with before also... (i've owned other smartphones but usually could last 2-3 days with moderate to heavy use...) but then again.. i never had a smartphone like the hd2 before
regardless... i'm not sure if i'd be willing to carry 2 batteries around with me... granted i could just leave it in my car until its needed.. but i guess i just consider it a extra thing to remember before i go inside my house/ an extra step to complete before i sleep... would much rather have just one 1500mh
Battery Drain
Do you guys experiencing battery drain have Co0kies Home Tab installed?
There is a known battery drain issue with CHT if .NET version 3.5.9198.0 is not installed. The battery drain will disappear when 3.5.9198.0 replaces .Net 3.5.7xxx.
Don't forget to update the registry to activate the new version and deactivate version 2 or earlier version of 3.5!
Co0kieMonster said:
Some users have had trouble with the battery drain.
I've now added this solution to the first post.
About battery drain:
There is an incompatibility with older versions of the .Net framework that can cause the battery to drain too quickly.
If you have this issue download the latest .Net version from here and install it on your device.
Even if you don't have the issue, it's always good to have the latest .Net version installed.
Big thanks to mike2nl for providing this solution, and to MichelDiamond for tracking the issue while I was away.
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Hi,
I'm posting this in return for all the information I found about the HD2 and poor battery performance. I read every thread I could find and every single post in them. I learned a lot and that allowed me to solve my problem.
I got no more than about 10 hours of use out of my battery with average use. Initially I thought this was the norm, reading a number of threads on this issue. I could however not believe that the performance was so poor, even taking the large screen into account.
I decided to try and determine exactly what it was that caused the battery to drain to quickly. I loaded BattLog and found it invaluable (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444920).
I immediately noticed that my phone was drawing 85 mA even when it was in standby (or what I thought was standby). Based on what I was reading, the current draw should not be more than 5 mA while the phone is in standby.
I noticed in one of the threads that there were complaints about G-Profile causing battery drain. Since I had it on my phone I thought that might be a logical place to look. I uninstalled it a lo and behold... the current draw fell to below 5 mA when the phone was in standby!
In addition I loaded Bandswitch which switches off my 3G connection after it has not been used for 60 seconds.
Now I have about 48+ hours of battery life. When not using the phone a lot it extends to a lot more than 48 hours.
The long and short of it is that if you get poor battery performance, chances are it is because of some software that is installed on your phone.
Here are a couple of usefull things I have found in helping resolve my battery issues:
1) Use Batlog (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444920) to log the current your phone draws. If it draws more than 5 mA during standby you have a problem, most probably related to a piece of software on your phone
2) Your phone should not be drawing much more than about 150 mA when in 'active' mode with the screen at 40% brightness.
3) If you are running G-Profile, uninstall it and recheck your current draw. Chances are that it is the culprit.
4) Having an active data connection does draw power from the battery. In my case this is about an additional 130 mA. Load something like Bandswitch to disable the data connection when it is not needed.
I hope this information helps somebody. I realise that the situation is different for everybody out there because of all the variants such as age of the battery, sofware loaded and use. However, the reality is that the battery issues are most probably not because of a bad battery or the hardware but rather because of software on the phone.
BTW I am running:
OS Version: 5.2.21869
Manilla version: 2.5.19211619.0
ROM version: 1.48.421.2 (71294) WWE
Radio version: 2.05.51.05_2
Regards
gerhardvr said:
Hi,
I'm posting this in return for all the information I found about the HD2 and poor battery performance. I read every thread I could find and every single post in them. I learned a lot and that allowed me to solve my problem.
I got no more than about 10 hours of use out of my battery with average use. Initially I thought this was the norm, reading a number of threads on this issue. I could however not believe that the performance was so poor, even taking the large screen into account.
I decided to try and determine exactly what it was that caused the battery to drain to quickly. I loaded BattLog and found it invaluable.
I immediately noticed that my phone was drawing 85 mA even when it was in standby (or what I thought was standby). Based on what I was reading, the current draw should not be more than 5 mA while the phone is in standby.
I noticed in one of the threads that there were complaints about G-Profile causing battery drain. Since I had it on my phone I thought that might be a logical place to look. I uninstalled it a lo and behold... the current draw fell to below 5 mA when the phone was in standby!
In addition I loaded Bandswitch which switches off my 3G connection after it has not been used for 60 seconds.
Now I have about 48+ hours of battery life. When not using the phone a lot it extends to a lot more than 48 hours.
The long and short of it is that if you get poor battery performance, chances are it is because of some software that is installed on your phone.
Here are a couple of usefull things I have found in helping resolve my battery issues:
1) Use Batlog to log the current your phone draws. If it draws more than 5 mA during standby you have a problem, most probably related to a piece of software on your phone
2) Your phone should not be drawing much more than about 150 mA when in 'active' mode with the screen at 40% brightness.
3) If you are running G-Profile, uninstall it and recheck your current draw. Chances are that it is the culprit.
4) Having an active data connection does draw power from the battery. In my case this is about an additional 130 mA. Load something like Bandswitch to disable the data connection when it is not needed.
I hope this information helps somebody. I realise that the situation is different for everybody out there because of all the variants such as age of the battery, sofware loaded and use. However, the reality is that the battery issues are most probably not because of a bad battery or the hardware but rather because of software on the phone.
BTW I am running:
OS Version: 5.2.21869
Manilla version: 2.5.19211619.0
ROM version: 1.48.421.2 (71294) WWE
Radio version: 2.05.51.05_2
Regards
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and imagine that your rom version is accused of massive batt draining!
an upgrade to 1.66 / 1.72 should make a difference..or a custom rom
batlog?
Hi Gerhardvr,
What is the batlog software you used?
I'm very interested about your post.
Thanks.
J6B.
Very useful findings, gerhardvr. Thanks!
found BattLog
ok, I found BattLog
It's just in showthread.php?t=444920
Have a nice day guys.
cu
J6B.
When I ran the Test, it said that I was using up 242mA in standby! I dont believe I have G-Profile installed, unless it was pre installed on the device. I have the latest versions of the ROM, Radio, Manila, and OS version, so I know the culprit cant be the ROM version... Any ideas? I bought this phone from T-Mobile US.... Sooo yeah
Folks, I've been trying to get to the bottom of this as well. I have a number of cab files which do seem to help a little. One of the bigest culprits I've found is the screen lockers. Disable them and see how you fair!
soopahsteve said:
When I ran the Test, it said that I was using up 242mA in standby! I dont believe I have G-Profile installed, unless it was pre installed on the device. I have the latest versions of the ROM, Radio, Manila, and OS version, so I know the culprit cant be the ROM version... Any ideas? I bought this phone from T-Mobile US.... Sooo yeah
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Soopahsteve,
I suggest you use Battlog to log to file. This is very useful as it will log the time stamp, the current temp of the battery and the current draw at the point in time. In addition it logs arious events on the phone, in particular the startup and shut down of applications, data connectivity, when you make or receive a call, whether you are talking or receiving on the call, etc. This can be opened in Excel and then analysed and if you are very lucky, you will pick up some patterns allowing you to link some programs to the battery drain.
However, the situation is typically slightly more complex to resolve since the culprit software are usually software that is loaded as TSR application at reboot. The result of this is that Battlog will not show the startup of these applications in the log file since they are already running at the time you are starting Battlog.
You should look at programs that manage phone profiles, screen lockers, screen calls or SMS messages, etc. In other words, any program that does work behind the scenes.
The reason you are seeing 242 mA in "standby" is because your phone is not really in standby. Although the screen is blank, something is preventing your phone from going into true standby, the processor is still active. The trick is to find what this is.
Sometimes the only approach is to uninstall the applications you suspect one by one and see if it makes a difference until you either find the culprit or can prove that none of the them are an issue. Then reinstall the ones you think are "safe" one by one and check whether the probelm pops up again. unfortunately you have to do the double sided approach because there could be more than one application that cuases your issue.
Painful I know but worh it when you have two days worth of battery time with some to spare.
Regards
See no reason to upgrade to the latest ROM
chris2busy said:
and imagine that your rom version is accused of massive batt draining!
an upgrade to 1.66 / 1.72 should make a difference..or a custom rom
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You know it. In reality I would love to upgrade to the latest and greatest but I've customised my phone to the Nth degree (did obviously not upgrade the ROM) by installing all the little apps I find useful, Cookies Home tab (best thing since sliced bread), etc. My phone is now just the way I like it.
It would take me quite some time to upgrade the ROM and to customise it again from scratch and I really don't see the benefit. I might be force to do it when I get to a stage where there are software that I would like to load that only works on the later ROMs but until such time I'm not gonna try to fix that that ain't broke.
Regards
is this the bandswitch u are using? if not, can i check where to get the program?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286844
gerhardvr said:
It would take me quite some time to upgrade the ROM and to customise it again from scratch
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I just upgraded my ROM and did a Level 1 restore with Sprite Backup ... everything comes back except (I think) for wifi passwords.
i am drawing 180mA on standby..
im using custom rom, energy rom so thats very strange, but i have to agree that my battery life is terrible.. so i got to find a way to cut down on the 180mA drain..
I've always had good battery life on stock 1.66 rom losing 3% overnight with wifi and bluetooth turned off. Had to do a hard reset and started losing 15% overnight with the same everything. Did further resets and got nowhere. Ended up giving up on 1.66 although it had been fine previously after numerous hard resets - makes no sense but this is what happened. Just flashed to 1.72 and back to losing 3% overnight what it should be. And that is out of the box, to be honest all the battery saving registry tweaks are not worth the time installing and I leave 3G on all the time with updates coming through.
So it's all a bit random and shame on HTC for not sorting it out. My advice is do a hard reset, switch the wifi and bluetooth off and see in the morning if you have a reasonable battery life (or use the batt consumption program to verify standby consumption is sensible). Do this first before installing everything, getting frustrated and starting over again like I did when you discover that you're still experiencing high battery drain. This ensures that your starting point is a good flash and the phone is getting good life before adding any apps that could be causing a problem.
i have found my hd2 really does not like being in a poor or no coverage area. other phones i've owned have normally coped pretty well with no or very little signal. but not the hd2.
also noticed more drain in areas where there is only poor 3g coverage and its switching between 'g' and 'h' coverage.
fi3ry_icy said:
i am drawing 180mA on standby..
im using custom rom, energy rom so thats very strange, but i have to agree that my battery life is terrible.. so i got to find a way to cut down on the 180mA drain..
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Energy ROMs, just like the name goes, use a lot of Energy
They are baked in with a lot of performance tweaks so it's not unusual to get lower battery life per charge compared to other more down to earth vanilla ROMs.
Thanks for this thread, a lot of interesting information about the battery life of my HD2.
Just to mention: battconfig shows the power consumption directly in the task bar, a good way to find power guzzlers while they are active.
It's a pity we have no central place in this forum with a list of background applications that are known to drain the battery faster.
Or, also a needed information, a list of applications that are known not to do this (like PhoneAlarm, PocketShield).
I'm using the official rom only and have non fancy apps running or installed while I'm using the test bat program. As I speak the SD card is removed and celular radio is turned off.
Acording to program there is an indicator which is switching from -229ma to +78ma is that what its drawing of power?
Euroman28 said:
Acording to program there is an indicator which is switching from -229ma to +78ma is that what its drawing of power?
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+78ma??? That must mean you are charging the battery. The best way to test current draw is when it is only on the battery.
I get about -5ma draw on standby and it tops out at around 180ma when I have the screen on, but usually hovers around 130 - 150ma. I have my screen brightness at the lowest setting possible.
@OP, I wanted to say this earlier... great topic, very insightful.
I have a few suggestions for everyone posting in this thread. Let's try and get some common data together that is more tangible in order to give us a more similar & common perspective for these discussions.
I suggest the following
1) Soft Reset. Once the device is on, do not run ANY applications. In fact don't do anything except for following the below instructions.
2) Turn your screen brightness all the way DOWN! (Turn off Auto Backlight and manually set it to the lowest setting)
3) Check your power settings and make sure that while your phone is on battery, that it is set to dim the backlight after 30 seconds and turn off after 1 minute
*** I have attached 2 REG files below for both Backlight and Power. Please use them instad of doing it manually.***
4) Turn off all the radios (Phone, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth). Let's make our first round of tests with the Radio's off. Radio ON complicates things a bit as there are several applications to keep track of that use the Data Connection. I'll come up with a more comphrehensive list later so we can do the Radio ON tests.
Screenshots
Use a program like Shave&Save and get the following screenshots
1) Use any Task manager and get a screenshot of all the processes running. Sometimes the number of processes displayed is longer than the screen size can accomodate. Take 2 screenshots in this case making sure that you capture all processes. Edit the image with MS Paint or some other Image Program and attach it here as one image. See the example in the post below this one.
2) Goto \Windows\Startup and get a screenshot of the folder contents
3) If you are using Sense, drag the slider all the way to the end (settings) and goto About Phone. Goto Software Information and get a screenshot of that.
Monitoring the Battery
1) Make sure your phone is not connected to the charger or to the computer.
2) Open BattLog (can be found here), set the refresh rate to 1 second and Start Logging.
3) After you start the logging process do not touch the screen / the phone again for exactly 2 minutes.
TIME THIS with a stop watch. As soon as the 2 minutes it complete, turn the phone back on and stop the logging.
Information to post here
1) All the screenshots from above.
2) The current draw (both on standby and while active). Also, please attach the file that logged all the information in this format: Forum ID - BattLog - dd-mmm-yy.txt
3) ROM - Whose ROM? Release Date? Does it have Cookie's Home Tab Installed or any other MAJOR Sense Modifications.
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HTC HD2 (T8585)
OS: WM 6.5
ROM: Energy * Build 21907 * Release 01.JULY.10 * CHT v1.8.5 - Dinik Edition
RADIO: 2.07.50.27_2
Current Draw (mA)
Idle: -3 to -7
Screen On (w/o Radios): -83 to -117
Those figures look normal to me. You should be getting about as good a battery life as a device like this can achieve.
I got my HD2 around 2 months ago. After some intense fiddling with it in the beginning, I installed one of the Energy ROM versions available back then, and my HD2 could keep working for 2 consecutive days without recharging. Granted, I didn't use too many apps back then, and neither did I make a large number of phone calls... BUT that doesn't mean the phone was in sleep mode the whole time.
Having a fully recharged phone last Saturday morning I decided to see how long it'll hold. I tried to use it as little as possible (this still leaves background tasks, but I'll get to that later). It held up reasonably for the whole Saturday, and at the end of the day I still had something around ~60% battery.
So I locked the phone and went to bed.
And when I woke up, the phone was at 25%. After taking a shower, it was at 20%. The phone wasn't hot (which would indicate that some process is hogging all the CPU), and the Task Manager showed nothing out of the ordinary.
Now, about the only background tasks I've ever been running were Parlingo and Lumos... and I didn't even install Lumos after the last ROM update.
What can I do to diagnose this problem? Is the battery dying? Is the power info incorrect and I was getting false readings entire Saturday? Is this the ROM? What can I do to make sure?
Rule out the battery cheaply by purchasing an eBay replacement... I have 3 of these and they are good stable batteries... and cheap...
LINKY...
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Now, about the only background tasks I've ever been running were Parlingo and Lumos... and I didn't even install Lumos after the last ROM update.
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Do you mean that Lumos is still running as a background task when it isn't installed, or that you always used to have it running before the problem?
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Do you mean that Lumos is still running as a background task when it isn't installed, or that you always used to have it running before the problem?
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Sorry for the late reply (work work work)...
I mean that I used to have Lumos installed, but in order to try to pinpoint the source of the fast battery drain, I decided not to install it when I upgraded Energy.
I'll try some batteries, sure... But if there are any solutions that I could try and which are free, then I'd rather try those first...
Shaamaan said:
Sorry for the late reply (work work work)...
I mean that I used to have Lumos installed, but in order to try to pinpoint the source of the fast battery drain, I decided not to install it when I upgraded Energy.
I'll try some batteries, sure... But if there are any solutions that I could try and which are free, then I'd rather try those first...
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Just wondering which radio are you using ?
I did have the same problem like you and it just keep getting faster that my battery wont even last me over a night .
What i did was i reflash it back to the stock rom with the radio that came with the stock one. I used it for a day and see when its stable , I Flash my radio to 2.10 and till now I am good . Btw I am using energy rom as well.
If your battery is lasting 24hours, then there is nothing wrong with the battery.
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Just wondering which radio are you using ?
I did have the same problem like you and it just keep getting faster that my battery wont even last me over a night .
What i did was i reflash it back to the stock rom with the radio that came with the stock one. I used it for a day and see when its stable , I Flash my radio to 2.10 and till now I am good . Btw I am using energy rom as well.
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I went back to 2.07. I figured the voice quality is OK enough while the 3G towers in Poland are sucky to begin with, meaning 3G switching / range isn't a real issue.
With the 17th July Energy ROM everything seems to have went back to normal.
Thought I'd just share this. I had been stuck with this issue for a while; basically needing to fully recharge twice a day. I tried a lot of things recommended on here and elsewhere; all of them either made minor differences, none at all, and some made things worse. Things in that category are wifi, 3g, bluetooth, gps, setcpu, task-killers, screen-dimming, resetting battery stats, starting Haret with the key lights on, etc. All these things can potentially make a difference, but didn't help much. Plus, most of them involve de-smart-ing a smartphone, and what's the point of that? I tried changing SD card, as I have a 16GB Transend class 6 card which I believe draws a few more mW than e.g. Sandisk cards, and that didn't really help either.
As an indicative measure, I could charge to 100% (and green LED) at 11pm, put the phone into Airplane mode (GPS off as well), kill all tasks that are not needed, go to bed, and by 7am the battery was on around 50%. So that's with NO comms, NO screen, nothing. Android battery use showed most of this usage was the screen. Er, no. I installed CurrentWidgit (from App Market) and got it to log; during this overnight lack of activity it averaged around 65mW, and was never below 60mW.
So after all that rambling, the answer is: radio ROM version. When I installed Android, I installed the latest radio ROM available at the time (still the latest I think); i.e. 2.15.50.14, from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611787. After pulling my hair out trying all the above, I flashed the radio ROM with 2.12.50.02_2, and as if by magic, current draw under similar conditions to above is about 7mW; i.e. 10% of what it was, and an overnight period as above goes from 100% to 96%. Much better
I should point out a few extra things:
a) I arbitrarily chose that radio version. I don't really have time to try them all, so if anyone cares to test and post here, perhaps another version gets even better results. To make them meaningfully comparable, install CurrentWidget, get it to log every minute, put the phone into airplane mode, GPS off, kill any obvious large apps like Maps, camera, email polling, and don't run any "battery-saver"-category apps (I had just Messaging, Google Services and Android Keyboard under Settings > Applications > Running Services), turn the screen off for a few minutes (don't move the phone either), then turn it back on and look at the CurrentWidget log. If you post your results here, include which network you're on.
b) This "secret" is sort-of hidden in a few other threads about this, but only in passing and not really prominent. I thought it deserved its own thread so people can find it a little quicker.
c) I don't know if there are other dependencies at play here; e.g. perhaps 2.12.50.2_2 is best with O2 (which is who I'm with), and maybe others are better with other networks. I don't know enough about radio ROMs to know. If people post their results with their network we might figure it out.
d) Changing radio seemed to also cure another problem I was having, namely the data connection on both 2G and 3G regularly disappearing, even though I had a 2G/3G signal. (I used to fix this by switching between 2 virtually identical APNs, while cursing and muttering...)
e) I'm using AmericAndroid GB233 CyanogenMod7 on SD.
Very usefull info indeed! i use the latest radio too and i face the same battery issues. I've tried all kind of stuff (task killers etc) but with no luck, mb i"ll try a couple of radio vers. hope yours doesn't carry any robo voice incidents (I use the CoreDroid v0.8 one)
Stop using SD, flash android directly to your nand, my battery according to Battery Diviner, lasts 25hrs with a full charge not on airplane mode. I used to do SD but I got tired of the slowness and huge battery drain, NAND is the way to go.
I am thinking of going NAND now, but it wasn't really an option while I might have needed to go back to WM just to make it through a single day without access to a charger. What radio version are you using?
But if radio version is the key, i see no point why we should abandon the sd option & move to the nand one. And the 25h -no charge- nand duration isn't such a big deal, is it ?
I have to version 2.15 and I am on nand.... my battery drain is around 3-5ma standby.... which I think is pretty good.... so I think nand is the key..... not radio
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It would be interesting if you now flashed to 2.15 again and record your consumption, you might find the early high consumption is not repeated, your original radio may have been very slighty corrupt? I'm using AmericAndroid on SD and get 3mA drain in standby with radio 2.15.50.14, battery widget predicts 12hrs use with 3g phone on and fairly frequent use or 4 days in standby (doubt I'll ever test that one but the 12hrs is about right).
My only temptation to go for NAND is speed, SD is very slow unless using a RAM build and there are too few of those. Can't quite leave WinMo just yet so sticking with RAM on SD.
Yea... even I'm curious... flash back to 2.15 and let us know your results..
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I have also the 2.12 radio since january with different NAND roms (mostly sense) and had always 3-5mA in standby. WIFI and 3G off, GPS On/Off makes no difference. Had never the robot voice problems at the first call and no other problems that 2.15 users not have.
There was already a thread where some android nand users confirm the better battery life of 2.12, but not such a big difference like in your case.
Have found a similar thread of WP7 users with the same results.
Any sd android users around with positive battery results? my battery gets raped in almost 15h with normal use! And yeah my stock winmo 6.5 rom does pretty well, while my Leo stays alive & kickin for about 4 days. And just to get a bit off topic, neither Froyo/Gingerbread got me crazy as an OS, nor the "old ship" winmo 6.5 can keep anyone excited anymore. I hope Honeycomb port will be developed in a stable well working level for our Leos.
I think part of the issue here is different peoples' expectations are different. If you are already getting say 12-24+ hours with ANY type of usage, you are probably in a different category to the one I was addressing. The issue I was addressing in my OP is getting extremely poor battery life, of the order of perhaps 6-8 hours with light usage. Several people seem to experience this; i.e. charging required 2 or 3 times a day.
The WM thread mentioned a few posts back is interesting, as there seems to be a clear trend of 2.12 giving better battery life over 2.15 (some anomalies though - be nice if someone who really knows these things intimately could suggest what the dependencies might be).
When I have some time I'll try flashing a few different radios and measuring in an at-least semi-scientific manner. When I have a little more time I'll try NAND with different radios as well. (Anyone with time feel free to go ahead and post results in the meanwhile though!)
nand that killed battery life
I have been using nand roms for a few months now, ever since mdeejay blessed us with his gingerbread builds.
presently using ginger-honeycomb theme rom.
Battery has to be charged twice a day with minimal usage. 2 hours of kindle/music is enough to fry the battery. radio is 2.15.
the rom is superb in appearance and functionality but battery is a real eyesore.
suggestions appreciated.
@fx.dcny: have you tried 2.12 radio as I suggest in my OP?
Hi All,
I'm using Radio 2.15.50.14 and when I use WinMo (ROM Elegancia 2.0), my battery lasts longer than 24h, with a few phone calls and mails and sometimes use of GPS.
With Android on SD, I must charge my battery 2 or 3 times a day. Even in Airplane mode, drain is very high (losts 40-50% overnight). I'm currently with Rafdroid HD 4.2 SD build, but things are same with all other Android SD builds I've tried.
I've just installed current widget, and drain is 60 mA in standby, which seems very high ! and I frequently kill apps with Advanced Tasks Killer (apps like Maps, Soundhound that always reappear !) but maybe this Task Killer makes more bad that good...
As suggested by the OP (thanks for the tip!), I'll tried another radio when I have some time, I still have a backup of radio 2.10.50.28_2, and report to you...
Do someone know how to find the culprit app from Current Widget log? I just see a long list of running apps, but no clue about which one(s) is/are eating the battery.
@thivi: my experience was that the apps listed by CurrentWidget were not helpful (in this context), and like I say when I was getting ~50% battery loss in airplane mode overnight there were no unnecessary apps running, and Android was reporting the majority of the battery use as "Display". Something else must be happening under the radar of the various battery monitors (both native Android and not). I'm guessing (only guessing at this stage) that something in the radio ROM code causes it to draw more current.
Hi folks, this is a first post for me but battery use seems to be a never-ending holy grail to Android users!! I have a HD2 running HyperDroid CM7 V2.0 Fearless Falcon on NAND with radio 2.15.50.14. The phone is a branded TM UK handset and have to say that the biggest battery-eater I ever met was Google Maps. Once uninstalled (installed it on first setup), and with carefull widget management, I can just get 3 days between charges. I must point out though that I am not a heavy data user or anything, I just like to have a good functional handset that I know will do everything I need effortlesly. The HD2 is just the thing. Just as an edit, with Google maps being installed, even if force closed, I only ever got 6 to 8 hours from my battery.
I have found this out from master rom thread. Most of the build recommend 15 but i recommend 2.12.50.02_2 if you have battery drain issue on standby.
sellotape said:
Thought I'd just share this. I had been stuck with this issue for a while; basically needing to fully recharge twice a day. I tried a lot of things recommended on here and elsewhere; all of them either made minor differences, none at all, and some made things worse. Things in that category are wifi, 3g, bluetooth, gps, setcpu, task-killers, screen-dimming, resetting battery stats, starting Haret with the key lights on, etc. All these things can potentially make a difference, but didn't help much. Plus, most of them involve de-smart-ing a smartphone, and what's the point of that? I tried changing SD card, as I have a 16GB Transend class 6 card which I believe draws a few more mW than e.g. Sandisk cards, and that didn't really help either.
As an indicative measure, I could charge to 100% (and green LED) at 11pm, put the phone into Airplane mode (GPS off as well), kill all tasks that are not needed, go to bed, and by 7am the battery was on around 50%. So that's with NO comms, NO screen, nothing. Android battery use showed most of this usage was the screen. Er, no. I installed CurrentWidgit (from App Market) and got it to log; during this overnight lack of activity it averaged around 65mW, and was never below 60mW.
So after all that rambling, the answer is: radio ROM version. When I installed Android, I installed the latest radio ROM available at the time (still the latest I think); i.e. 2.15.50.14, from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611787. After pulling my hair out trying all the above, I flashed the radio ROM with 2.12.50.02_2, and as if by magic, current draw under similar conditions to above is about 7mW; i.e. 10% of what it was, and an overnight period as above goes from 100% to 96%. Much better
I should point out a few extra things:
a) I arbitrarily chose that radio version. I don't really have time to try them all, so if anyone cares to test and post here, perhaps another version gets even better results. To make them meaningfully comparable, install CurrentWidget, get it to log every minute, put the phone into airplane mode, GPS off, kill any obvious large apps like Maps, camera, email polling, and don't run any "battery-saver"-category apps (I had just Messaging, Google Services and Android Keyboard under Settings > Applications > Running Services), turn the screen off for a few minutes (don't move the phone either), then turn it back on and look at the CurrentWidget log. If you post your results here, include which network you're on.
b) This "secret" is sort-of hidden in a few other threads about this, but only in passing and not really prominent. I thought it deserved its own thread so people can find it a little quicker.
c) I don't know if there are other dependencies at play here; e.g. perhaps 2.12.50.2_2 is best with O2 (which is who I'm with), and maybe others are better with other networks. I don't know enough about radio ROMs to know. If people post their results with their network we might figure it out.
d) Changing radio seemed to also cure another problem I was having, namely the data connection on both 2G and 3G regularly disappearing, even though I had a 2G/3G signal. (I used to fix this by switching between 2 virtually identical APNs, while cursing and muttering...)
e) I'm using AmericAndroid GB233 CyanogenMod7 on SD.
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sellotape, you're the boss !
now with radio 2.12.50.02_2 I have 4-7 mA drain in standby instead of 62-66 with radio 2.15.50.14... And last night I only lost 7% battery (and I was not in Airplane mode), it was 40-50% with radio 2.15.50.14 (and in Airplane mode !)
So this radio 2.15.50.14 seems to be the culprit for high battery drainage in Android, at least for some users...
I was happy with the RAFDROID HD 4.2 build but had 2 problems : 1.high battery drainage which is now solved thanks to sellotape thread, and 2.heavy lags that were caused by my SD-Card, problem detected thanks to this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1048649
so now I'm enjoying a very fine Android experience with my HD2, even with a SD build
@GPZ550: it's true that Google Maps is almost always in memory, even after killing it. But I'm a heavy user of it so I don't want to desinstall it. And with radio 2.12.50.02_2 it seems that I can have a decent battery life even with google Maps installed.
I don't want to add confusion here, but my experience as in the OP came to an end about 2 days ago, for reasons I couldn't really associate with anything in particular, except *perhaps* an app update from the market. So... what I did is flashed 2.15 again (to at the same time answer boomboomer and fahd_freak's questions), and I am now back to <10mA standby (down from ~60). I suspect if I'd flashed 2.12 again it would also have fixed it, but I'm out of experimental options in that direction for now. This leaves me rather confused. I would have thought that apps (even under SU) would almost certainly not have sufficient access to alter the Radio ROM.
As a dev myself I struggle with the idea of the ROM becoming "a bit corrupt". I would have thought *any* corruption would have been fairly catastrophic. And yet, mysteriously, re-flashing the ROM seems to be an answer (for now). Perhaps there is some state data that the Radio ROM stores that gets corrupted or invalid and this is overwritten with a re-flash?
Personally I'm not too fussed if I have to reflash the ROM every month or so for now, ridiculous as I find it in principle. It does perhaps mean it's not just radio version that's at issue, but perhaps the action of flashing itself.
I managed to get 5mA draw in standby mode on the NexusHD2 for SD builds (3G on but GPS and Wifi off), with some spikes (when data is being pushed). Able to last a whole day with moderate usage. (Radio version in my sig.)
But really, the NAND builds are much better overall. I managed to get a very similar battery usage pattern as above with the latest NexusHD2 Gingerbread ROM V2.7, 3G, GPS and Wifi all on.
I know theres alot of topics about battery drain, and some methods have worked for some, but I am still stuck in the loop.
I'm using Back to the Future (XBmod-Yuki/7740) - and have tried The Camera Trick, 2.12 Radio, and Registry tweak (battery indicator) and all have failed, i get around 8-10 hours battey on minimal use, (Facebook app for 30min and 8/9 text msgs) [note: 3g and Data on]
and I was wondering is anyone noticing any difference on other wp7 roms? or is that rom specific?
Thanks in advance
Apparently i've got the same issue as you, I got 3 hours off it with intensive use today ( 2.12 radio, no battery fix, but it was draned down to zero )
I'm also using the back to the future rom ( But it's registered as 7720 )
My device is eastern europeian.
I'm back on winmo
i will try wp7 again (HD2O) (7740) but with different SD cards, hopefully i get a lil better life
ill let you knw how that goes
bash18 said:
I'm back on winmo
i will try wp7 again (HD2O) (7740) but with different SD cards, hopefully i get a lil better life
ill let you knw how that goes
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And i'm gonna get an android SD these days to compare.
with lightly use, my HD2 WP7(Back to the future 7740) ate battery so quick. I'm trying to flash pdaimatejam's v2. Hope to get some changes.
Okay to CONFIRM
Booted pdaimatejam's v2 on lexmar 8gb (class 4 )
Radio: 2.12
and so far used 10hours
and still 54% battery remaining
3g and data is ON!
Location OFF
Live Tiles disables (have to manually update hotmail etc, no push)
Tooks round 40pics, used FB app (Biggest drain)
and few small video clips (2.mins each)
also 70-100 txts snt and recieved
im happy now
yeah i was struggling with battery life for a while too.
the camera trick seems to have helped a lot. i get almost 2 days with normal use with location, 3g and data all turned off. i am going to do the registry trick, then turn location, 3g and data back on to see if anything changes.
EDIT: the registry editor that works with mango does not allow me access to these registry files. oh well.
Android SD was still not the best I've tried. while the ROM had more battery life then yuki's back to the future, it still left me 30 minutes before I was ready to let it go.
Today on WP7 i got 3.5 hours with: the camera trick,(Switch to video and leave it running, right?) also no 3g no Wi-Fi and no Location/Bluetooth. Brightness all the way down ( snowy weather ) . Where can I find the instructions/guide to installing pdaimatejam's or is it included in the download?
Do we have to use camera trick every time we reboot HD2? How about the reset command from MDLDR menu? Do we need use it every time we replace battery?
larryexchange said:
Do we have to use camera trick every time we reboot HD2? How about the reset command from MDLDR menu? Do we need use it every time we replace battery?
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reboot should be fine, bt i tried the HD20 rom over last few days (radio 2.15) and battery drain whilst standby is AMAZING! with 3g on over night it drained like 5-7% battery, but when using browser, whats app etc battery drains too much :S