can the hd2 screen do four point multi touch (uses more than 2 fingers) or it needs another hardware
hoss_n2 said:
can the hd2 screen do four point multi touch (uses more than 2 fingers) or it needs another hardware
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I do remember an app that someone wrote that showed the HD2 could recognize at least 3 different fingers on the screen at once.
hoss_n2 said:
can the hd2 screen do four point multi touch (uses more than 2 fingers) or it needs another hardware
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The hardware is there. There's just no software capable of it yet. I'd be suprised if we don't get full multi-touch recognition apps at some point. (For people that don't understand what that last sentance actually means, please note that when I say full multi-touch I do not mean more than 1. I mean as many as you want.)
johncmolyneux said:
The hardware is there. There's just no software capable of it yet. I'd be suprised if we don't get full multi-touch recognition apps at some point. (For people that don't understand what that last sentance actually means, please note that when I say full multi-touch I do not mean more than 1. I mean as many as you want.)
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aren't there any games that supports full multitouch for windows mobile or we should wait for for the wp7
series
johnk1973 said:
I do remember an app that someone wrote that showed the HD2 could recognize at least 3 different fingers on the screen at once.
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and if you remembered this application please post it here
johncmolyneux said:
The hardware is there. There's just no software capable of it yet. I'd be suprised if we don't get full multi-touch recognition apps at some point. (For people that don't understand what that last sentance actually means, please note that when I say full multi-touch I do not mean more than 1. I mean as many as you want.)
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why then there are posts saying that hd2 did HD2 uses the clearpad 2000 capactive touch screen which only supports 2 point multitouch
Humm im sure playing super mario on morph gear i can run and jump right+2 round keys
colinp said:
Humm im sure playing super mario on morph gear i can run and jump right+2 round keys
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tis true, all my snes games support at least 2 points......
colinp said:
Humm im sure playing super mario on morph gear i can run and jump right+2 round keys
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then you used more than 2 fingers on hd2
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why then there are posts saying that hd2 did HD2 uses the clearpad 2000 capactive touch screen which only supports 2 point multitouch
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Clearpad 2000 are used on Nexus One and Android HTCs. Maybe HD2 uses another brand of touchscreen. I'm not sure though.
mdmhd2 said:
clearpad 2000 are used on nexus one and android htcs. Maybe hd2 uses another brand of touchscreen. I'm not sure though.
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if only we can make a track fingure application to use it and see
any new progress (sorry for bumping but i want answers)
scilor.com/hd2-leo-real-multitouch.html
found this, but i can't get it to actually respond to multiple fingers
You might have to soft reset to get it to work. It won't recognize more than two fingers as documented elsewhere on here or on his site, guess he never got around to doing a lower-level hook.
Or is there a way to upgrade hd2 clearpad 2000 to 3000?
According to the Visual Multitouch Test App from the Android market, I can only use up to two points. I don't know if this is a restriction caused by the Android port, or if the HD2's digitizer/screen can only support two points at once.
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Theoretically if i knew specific specs of an iphone could i somehow port win mo to an iphone? One of the main reasons i would even bring this up is the ability of the multi-touch and the larger processor (i wanna say 720mHz)
YES I DO HATE APPLE
joel2009 said:
Theoretically if i knew specific specs of an iphone could i somehow port win mo to an iphone? One of the main reasons i would even bring this up is the ability of the multi-touch and the larger processor (i wanna say 720mHz)
YES I DO HATE APPLE
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LOL never heard it the other way around like that before
oh, and t answer your question: no
did u fall into the iphone trap?
joel2009 said:
Theoretically if i knew specific specs of an iphone could i somehow port win mo to an iphone? One of the main reasons i would even bring this up is the ability of the multi-touch and the larger processor (i wanna say 720mHz)
YES I DO HATE APPLE
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Well, theoretically you could build your own phone that's 50 times faster than an iPhone, with 10 times the resolution and 100 times the storage. And ran WinMacOSXubuntuDos, all with neural interfacing - no touch required.
Anything's possible theoretically.
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Well, theoretically you could build your own phone that's 50 times faster than an iPhone, with 10 times the resolution and 100 times the storage. And ran WinMacOSXubuntuDos, all with neural interfacing - no touch required.
Anything's possible theoretically.
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LOL, didn't we have a whole thread about this? People started getting wild and started imagining all sorts of different things..like a nuclear powered phone that can double as a microwave..etc etc
Yes, but can it mow the lawn?
outphase said:
Yes, but can it mow the lawn?
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You can use it to call someone to cut your grass for you though
hmm.. that makes me think if we might built our own customs... maybe sort of a pimp my phone customs?
kewl..
Seriously now, guys are having a hard ass time writing drivers for the video issues on the MSM7200 chipset devices. How do you realistically think porting the entire WM OS to a foreign device that you will have no device reference info to is possible. Theoretically yeah I guess, but realistically, well you know the rest of the sentence....
glad everyone is on the same page hahaha....... i must say though when i heard phones would be coming out with gHz chipsets now..... does anyone know exactly how the multi touch works, is it software or hardware that makes the difference. because the whole "finger only sensitive screen" isn't really that..... it responds to anything that is thicker as an input, so it probably has something to do with a lock on a certain range of size..... since all programs are input output and touch flow is now modifyable is there a way to write software or a driver for the multitouch?????
sorry to seem iintreged by the iphone, really i hate it and personally think the only real "new" thing it produced with the multi touch on a handheld devise. I mostly just don't like apple because they Ruin everything they create by being overprotective of there stuff..... thats my two cents for the day though......
Food for thought, is there an exchange rate on your thoughts or something cause people say a penny for your thoughts but i've always given my 2 cents
Joel
I have been told that multitouch requires a whole different type of screen.
I have aslo been told that there is a possibility that WM7 once released will be able to support multitouch; however, you will not be able to just put WM7 on any phone and have multitouch because our current screens cannot support it. There will have to be completely new devices.
I wonder if the HTC Touch HD will be able to support it though.
i imagine one day our ppc will replace a p4 desktop able to output xvid video quality to tv
able to dl large gb files over the air at t1 speed and watch local tv anywhere around the world.
iPhone has a capacitive screen as opposed to the resistive screens on HTC devices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen
hambola said:
iPhone has a capacitive screen as opposed to the resistive screens on HTC devices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen
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good refrence hambola
i understands how the touch screens differ now, but if there is a way to program "actions" such as swiping a finger is there not also a way the write a piece of software that could then some how measure the size of the objet pressing on it? can we better control the "smartness" of our screens?
i no the type of screen our htc phone can only register one point because of the way it litterallly registers though the contact of two plates and just gets confused by a large object, but is there a way to assign an object to that confusion?
I think this should be off-topic....
yeah probably but i really have no idea how to move it... and itskinda development and hacking or atleast about it
mods are welcome to move it
Hello Xda
i am wondering are we can able to upgrade to windows mobile 6.5 in the future and windows mobile 7 too.
also can we will be able to use multi touch function on hd device?
Well on past models HTC have released new ROMs with newer version of WM, so you would think they would release new updated ROMs for the HD.
Unless they have another new phone on the horizon! You would think they would wanna sell 1 or 2 HD's first though before they release another 'high end' handset.
Philio25 said:
Well on past models HTC have released new ROMs with newer version of WM, so you would think they would release new updated ROMs for the HD.
Unless they have another new phone on the horizon! You would think they would wanna sell 1 or 2 HD's first though before they release another 'high end' handset.
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You would think so wouldn't you but then there was not much time between the diamond/Pro & the HD!
tingsagwaan said:
You would think so wouldn't you but then there was not much time between the diamond/Pro & the HD!
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Yer was very close, I heard mixed reviews of the Diamond/Pro so held of upgrading, then the HD popped up on the HTC website so waited for the HD instead!
winmo 7 is said to have hardware requirement of 256MB ROM for the OS. so should be fine.
WinMo 6.5 will probably be less than 256MB ROM too so all go there too.
TOUCH HD should be well future-proofed for WinMo updates (official or otherwise), and then there's the possibility of Android too......
I think and hope that they will release at least an update to winmo 6.5 But I also think you shouldn't hope for Multitouch! If i'm not totally wrong the HD use a resisitiv Touchscreen and they are all not cabable of Multitouch, doesn't matter which Firmware is running
There is supposed to be a pre-WM7 release, not sure what else is included but supposedly it will have a better version of the IE browser.
I imagine this may depends on how much WM7 will be a change and needs adjustment from HTC. Like... what will be the touch 3D layer then ?
My bet is, the more we are expecting from WM7 as a breaktthrough in the series the less me may use it on this version of the Touch HD.
Eitum said:
I think and hope that they will release at least an update to winmo 6.5 But I also think you shouldn't hope for Multitouch! If i'm not totally wrong the HD use a resisitiv Touchscreen and they are all not cabable of Multitouch, doesn't matter which Firmware is running
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Actually, correct me if I'm wrong here, but resistive technology is able to detect multiple touches - and even laptop trackpads can too, it's just that there's never been any software developed for it, and the operating system has just been hard coded to ignore multiple touch points and averaged them out to somewhere in the middle of where touched.It's pretty much a case of trackpad and touchscreen designers going "hmm what about if someone touches with two points at the same time? Ah well, there's no reason for doing that, let's just average it out"
Now, more realistically speaking, what exactly is the benefit of multi-touch on a mobile operating system? Pinch zooming? The zoom bar on Opera seems pretty simple and actually easier to use to me! Anything else? New Macbooks use gestures for Expose (no use for that on a mobile), two finger scrolling (about the only day-to-day useful feature, but again useless on a mobile device with finger scrolling anyway!) Two finger rotating maybe (um, accelerometer does that for you!) so anybody got any more suggestions for making this gimmick actually useable on a portable device that can't do it better already?
How can you play an instrument like a keyboard without multi touch!
While such a functionality might be an intesting one, it also seems like a step backwards in certain aspects.
Single handed operation is one of the essential aspects of mobile phones.
chaosdefinesorder said:
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong here, but resistive technology is able to detect multiple touches
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would be fine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Owgcos_KY
multi-touch on windows mobile on HTC diamond.....just not in the way you may expect.
chaosdefinesorder said:
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong here, but resistive technology is able to detect multiple touches - and even laptop trackpads can too, it's just that there's never been any software developed for it, and the operating system has just been hard coded to ignore multiple touch points and averaged them out to somewhere in the middle of where touched.It's pretty much a case of trackpad and touchscreen designers going "hmm what about if someone touches with two points at the same time? Ah well, there's no reason for doing that, let's just average it out"
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No correction needed, this is 100% true. Touchscreens do not register clicks, or anything similar, the screen itself is nothing but a sensor. The screen sensor layer on the HD screen registers any surface part of the screen on which the pressure exceeds a given threshold and the output is translated by a driver into anything the OS uses for manipulation. Thus, theoretically, ANY touchscreen device can be multitouch.
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Now, more realistically speaking, what exactly is the benefit of multi-touch on a mobile operating system? Pinch zooming? The zoom bar on Opera seems pretty simple and actually easier to use to me! Anything else? New Macbooks use gestures for Expose (no use for that on a mobile), two finger scrolling (about the only day-to-day useful feature, but again useless on a mobile device with finger scrolling anyway!) Two finger rotating maybe (um, accelerometer does that for you!) so anybody got any more suggestions for making this gimmick actually useable on a portable device that can't do it better already?
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Many of the more objective iPhone users have indicated that multitouch should not be overrated. It is nice for picture viewing, but in practical terms such as with a browser, it can be frustrating to see people zooming in to 100% with a swift doubletap while the iPhone users themselves are having to place two fingers on the screen, prevent accidentally using your nails, and having to squeeze/pinch until the page looks right.
BUT... I for one believe that more natural forms of input, i.e. a Keyboard, REQUIRES multitouch to function 100% intuitively. You simply do not need to release your finger from one key in order to press another, and a singletouch screen does require this. This causes lots of mistakes when typing too fast, you have to be over-articulate while typing.
Then again, I see most iPhone users typing with one thumb even when sitting down and holding the phone with both hands, because it's their first smartphone Not fair... WinMo pro's should have received this years ago
Oops I am straying from objectivity here...
Windows mobile 7 prebeta video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-i2jHEFdD4
Muhamed said:
Windows mobile 7 prebeta video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-i2jHEFdD4
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No it's not.
^ The interface looks new and cool...If its not WM 7...then what is it?
Nara-e-Mastana said:
^ The interface looks new and cool...If its not WM 7...then what is it?
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from the youtube video info:
Device: HTC Touch (elf)
Skin name: Windows Mobile 7 i3
(i3 = 3 interface)
Skin version: QVGA
was it really that hard to read? the info was RIGHT THERE.
where to find
Out of curiosity where do we find this skin? all I can find is that youtube video. At the moment I'm getting a little bored with my current ROM and right now am looking for a new replacement look on my vogue.
chaosdefinesorder said:
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong here, but resistive technology is able to detect multiple touches - and even laptop trackpads can too, it's just that there's never been any software developed for it, and the operating system has just been hard coded to ignore multiple touch points and averaged them out to somewhere in the middle of where touched.It's pretty much a case of trackpad and touchscreen designers going "hmm what about if someone touches with two points at the same time? Ah well, there's no reason for doing that, let's just average it out"
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Just another confirmation of this. Synaptics, the maker of most touchpads for laptops, released driver updates for laptops to include multi-touch pinching, gestures, zooming, and Chiral(circular) scrolling - These were for touchpads that could previous only do what WinMo does with multiple touches.
So, as everyone said, you're right. If the manufacturers wanted to, they *could* give us multi-touch, but WinMo doesn't have an implementation of that anyway so it's useless.
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2007/05/04/dogfood-doesn-t-always-taste-good.aspx
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so anybody got any more suggestions for making this gimmick actually useable on a portable device that can't do it better already?
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specially for hd which has almost no hardware buttons multitouch would be a nice feature videogame-wise... like shooting while running or steering while accelerating...
btw check out the blackstone rom development forum a custom rom with winmo6.5 beta has been released already. Just for testing purposes only though.
is it possibe to get the multi-touch iphone feature on the htc touch hd
(gesture internet browser feature)
deanoyouno said:
there is a bit if software which ive got which allows multi touch
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is it possibe for u to upload it or post a link
deanoyouno said:
it is possible but im not going to do it, i like to keep it to myself because it makes my phone unique sorry guys
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The whole point of xda developers is to share your knowledge and help improve everyones phones performances etc
If you aren't willing to share this, why post in the first place???
In future don't post anything unless you are actually going to share the knowledge!!!
deanoyouno said:
it is possible but im not going to do it, i like to keep it to myself because it makes my phone unique sorry guys
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You come to these forums to take what others have to offer, there knowledge and skills yet you will not share so your phone can be unique from others..... There are 6.76 billion people on this earth, you and your phone will never be unique because the odds are stacked against you. The feelings you get from being selfish and thinking you are unique in amongst 6.76 billion people will be insignificant to the feelings you will feel if you become a giver to even just a small group like us that is here to share with you.....
deanoyouno said:
the odds are against me but im prob the only one on this forum who has this software. so the odds are against you to find someone else who has this software
here is my phone code: w3445DJJSK*2 if there are any developers that no what they are talking about you will be able to get the software off my phone via software creation.
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your full of **** and you know it..
what are you, like 12?
I think its time for an IP Ban, looks like arsenalfc is back.
Just ignore him, he craves attention.
scottyuk said:
I think its time for an IP Ban, looks like arsenalfc is back.
Just ignore him, he craves attention.
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One problem to ignoring him is that he actually gives bogus help. My concern would be that some noob wud believe him and possibly damage their phone!
I just hope they have enough common sense to realise what a fool he is!
spikez93 said:
is it possibe to get the multi-touch iphone feature on the htc touch hd
(gesture internet browser feature)
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My apologies spikez93 as we have gone a bit off topic
As to your query I am not sure, but I will look into it. Anyone else?
The real answer is: no you can't have hardware multitouch like the iphone. If you search in this forum, you'll find that some people are working on a software solution to be able to press 2 differentes buttons at the same time; But you wont get pinch zooming etc on Blackstone.
gaelynx said:
The real answer is: no you can't have hardware multitouch like the iphone. If you search in this forum, you'll find that some people are working on a software solution to be able to press 2 differentes buttons at the same time; But you wont get pinch zooming etc on Blackstone.
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From what I've read it will be possible to get a 'pinch' effect but only when holding one finger still and moving the other, it won't be able to pick up both fingers moving towards each other though.
moshbeard said:
From what I've read it will be possible to get a 'pinch' effect but only when holding one finger still and moving the other, it won't be able to pick up both fingers moving towards each other though.
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If you keep one finger still on the screen and move the other to pinch, the touch screen won't be able to differentiate whether you are pinching in (for zoom-in) or pinching out (for zoom-out), because it only see one displacement: the movement of the center point between the 2 fingers.
So if we can't distinguish zoom-in from zoom-out, how can we use this 'pinch' effect to zoom?
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If you keep one finger still on the screen and move the other to pinch, the touch screen won't be able to differentiate whether you are pinching in (for zoom-in) or pinching out (for zoom-out), because it only see one displacement: the movement of the center point between the 2 fingers.
So if we can't distinguish zoom-in from zoom-out, how can we use this 'pinch' effect to zoom?
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Ws thinking of same thing but probable wouldn't have explained it as well as you did!!!
Good call on banning that dipshi*t. What an iddiot.
Ban the a$$h0l3
Even noobs like me try to help people with whatever knowledge we have.
I'M NOT SURE i AGREE WITH THIS AND HERE'S WHY...
gaelynx said:
If you keep one finger still on the screen and move the other to pinch, the touch screen won't be able to differentiate whether you are pinching in (for zoom-in) or pinching out (for zoom-out), because it only see one displacement: the movement of the center point between the 2 fingers.
So if we can't distinguish zoom-in from zoom-out, how can we use this 'pinch' effect to zoom?
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When the first finger touchs an X,Y coordinate is available... when the second finger touchs there will be an instantaneous coordinate displacement that does not include the intravening points and also with no cooresponding finger-up event... it should be possible to look for this programatically and know that you are in a two-finger style event... also based on the change and a knowledge of the screen size, the first finger point and the resultant two finger average it should be possible to determine point number two as well as the changing delta between the 2 points which will give you pince or expand when you remove your fingers and you get a finger up event... note it is true you will not be able to distinguish more than two fingers but I'm betting this is enough for most uses.
they made it possible on the g1
It's difficult but can more than likely be done, would be a fair bit of maths to work it out though. Difference between resistive and capacative. But you can use a stylus or wear gloves with the touch HD so it's a trade off.
bobdude5 said:
they made it possible on the g1
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The G1 uses a capacitive touchscreen similar to the iPhone's and the Android OS already had redundant coding for multi-touch capabilities, IIRC.
So all they effectively did was throw a switch.
For the likes of the Touch HD, everything will need to be coded from scratch.
limited multitouch IS possible on the HD - I took a video of it in fact BUT don't tell me it's not true multitouch - I know it isn't. In Windows if 2 points are touched at the same time Windows interprets it as a touch between the two points. If a developer maps a virtual key press between two 'buttons' then the virtual key will register as both keys. So no, there is no iPhone type multitouch but there are ways to mimic it. See these two postings and in the first one there's a video using an HD that shows what I am referring to:
http://www.fuzemobility.com/multitouch-exists-now-without-new-hardware-or-software/
http://www.fuzemobility.com/multitouch-in-action/
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limited multitouch IS possible on the HD - I took a video of it in fact BUT don't tell me it's not true multitouch - I know it isn't.
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Well not even the iPhone has 'true' multi-touch as it's limited to two fingers.
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ideo of it in fact BUT don't tell me it's not true multitouch - I know it isn't. In Windows if 2 points are touched at the same time Windows interprets it as a touch between the two points.
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This bit's wrong though.
The limiting factor is not the OS, it's got nothing to do with Windows, it's because the handset uses a resistive screen.
sorry if this was mentioned before, but i cant seem to find any related threads on hd2 forum, anyways here it goes
does anyone else find the hd2 handles multi touch really poorly compared to some other smartphones out there? like the iphone and samsung galaxy s. this is especially obvious when the two point are close to each other in either axis, which is demonstrated by the video attached below (not by me!), although htc desire is used in the video, i can replicate the same response on my hd2 easily
so my question is, is the htc hd2 hardware 'imperfect' or is it the driver for the touch screen the one that is causing the problem, cheers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg
edit: forgot to mention, what i mean by hd2 handles multi touch really poorly is when the 2 touches are close to each other in either axis, the hd2 sort of just merge the two axis, although they are not exactly in the same line!
Ill take the hd2 off your hands.
the touch panel is capable of it.... just bad drivers.... htc is known for f*cking good hardware with ****ty drivers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOD3cWrTuEY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4IkVp3uWtE&feature=related
polo735 said:
Ill take the hd2 off your hands.
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haha you wish
JJbdoggg said:
the touch panel is capable of it.... just bad drivers.... htc is known for f*cking good hardware with ****ty drivers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOD3cWrTuEY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4IkVp3uWtE&feature=related
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i see, hope there will be a fix in the future, because HD2 is one of the most capable smartphone ever... kind of unfortunate when the software cant utilize its full potential!
It.s a known old problem on the HD2. It was a long hard debate that HD2 can only ,,pinch-to-zoom,,. HTC implemented the drivers to use the device just for pinching. There are some workarounds on WM 6.5 to use the MT (look at fpsece) but if you refer to android (games i assume) you will experience weird behavior on the HD2.
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It.s a known old problem on the HD2. It was a long hard debate that HD2 can only ,,pinch-to-zoom,,. HTC implemented the drivers to use the device just for pinching. There are some workarounds on WM 6.5 to use the MT (look at fpsece) but if you refer to android (games i assume) you will experience weird behavior on the HD2.
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Dont see the problem personally, unless you are expecting three point touch. Trying one of the multi touch test apps in Android, it works fine... are you referring to the snapping when the points approach orthogonal? or maybe mixing it up with this: http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/326530/htc_hd2_leo_lacks_universal_multitouch.html
...which clearly is untrue.
Real multitouch?
HTC HD2 have Synaptics Clearpad 2000 - work only with two fingers.
So there is no chance to see real multitouch on HD2 :/
Producent page : http://www.synaptics.com/sites/default/files/Product_Brief_CP2000_01_0.pdf
HTC Evo 4G have new touch panel - Atmel MaxTouch mxt224 - UNLIMITED FINGERS!
@UP :
This videos don't show new drivers . It's practically impossible to write new drivers by normal person.
Even with 2 fingers MT does not work as it should, actually HD2 is capable only to ,,pinch-and-zoom,, (as i said there are some work-arounds but you can.t compare evo or iphone MT with HD2)
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Trying one of the multi touch test apps in Android, it works fine...
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it works, thats about it. the biggest problem i've had so far is when the two touches are quite close on the y axis, e.g. using a multi-touch keyboard, when i type o immediately after a, sometimes the o is registered as k or l, because the os somehow merges the two touches vertically, so they seem to be on the same horizontal line (sorry if i didnt explain this properly, but i think the video i've attached above should make this clear)
One thing that I noticed when using MultiTouch Visualizer 2 (free on Market) was that touch point 1 and touch point 2 would flip when using any Nexus builds. It is most apparent when touching between diagonal corners. Desire builds will show the two touch points recognized correctly. If anyone is having problems with Nexus builds, try this out. It may be part of the reason for your multitouch problems.
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it works, thats about it. the biggest problem i've had so far is when the two touches are quite close on the y axis, e.g. using a multi-touch keyboard, when i type o immediately after a, sometimes the o is registered as k or l, because the os somehow merges the two touches vertically, so they seem to be on the same horizontal line (sorry if i didnt explain this properly, but i think the video i've attached above should make this clear)
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i get this too if i type very fast only it happenes to me everywhere on the keyboard
the hd2 doesn't have the clearpad 2000 , i asked htc themselves , it is used in nexus and desire not hd2 , that is why we don't have the axe problems that they face , and the 2 point multitouch is a driver limitation as htc said to me
I just tested the multitouch capabilities of the Atrix. It only registered two fingers? wow I have expected that it will recognize at least 4.....I don't play games on my phone so I don't worry too much but still it leaves a bitter taste...
You can't really use more than 2 fingers on a 4" screen anyway unless you have tiny hands.
Why would you ever need 4 point multitouch on the atrix to begin with... I mean of all the things to complain about this is the lame...
dumasymptote said:
Why would you ever need 4 point multitouch on the atrix to begin with... I mean of all the things to complain about this is the lame...
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First of all. I wasn't complaining. I just wanted to test how accurate the multitouch is because I am a former N1 user and the multitouch sucked. It was more by curiosity that I tried 3 fingers. I had also a Nexus S and a MT4G and they could register several fingers. I thought that all newer touch sensors were multi finger enabled...
BTW I like my Atrix very much and the screen responsiveness is better than on my HTC devices that I had.
from the build.prop file, it says 2 max touches.
I tried to change the value to 4 but it still would only register 2.
wierd my Nexus S allowed 5
and htc desire HD allowed 4
i think newer screens would allow more, not that it matters
just curious
Is by brand is not HTC so don't expect the same I guess it does suck tho , oh well
I looked at the fixit site and they say it is the same sensor as in the Nexus S: Atmel mXT224. But this beast should have unlimited touch according to the manufacturer. Interesting maybe it is disabled software wise.
As a former N1 user, this touch issue is not important. What is important is it registers two independent touches and never confuses them.
Why is this important? Virtual game joystick and buttons. You will never use more than two touches for that.
Yes there are a few games or apps that can do more than two touches and it is disappointing to not have that enabled. But we will almost never notice this.
snlu178 said:
As a former N1 user, this touch issue is not important. What is important is it registers two independent touches and never confuses them.
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This has already been proven for the Atrix (that it treats multitouch correctly); read about it a few days ago on this very forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11540136&postcount=56
The Atrix has the same ATMEL multitouch sensor as the Nexus S, EVO, etc. So we know it can register at least 5 screen inputs at once. The apps you are using to test the multitouch input simply does not support the device (yet), and will need to be updated in order to for this phone to register multiple inputs beyond 2. This is simply a case of outdated software on new hardware.
novaIS350 said:
The Atrix has the same ATMEL multitouch sensor as the Nexus S, EVO, etc. So we know it can register at least 5 screen inputs at once. The apps you are using to test the multitouch input simply does not support the device (yet), and will need to be updated in order to for this phone to register multiple inputs beyond 2. This is simply a case of outdated software on new hardware.
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The EVO would not register more than two touch points while operating on the stock kernel - and it was shown after rooting and unlocking the bootloader that there were two different touch panels - one that could do three points and one that could do 5.
So hopefully the OE kernel enables the use of the max number of touch points supported by the screen and it is just a matter of outdated software.
so far I have downloaded multitouch test, touch test, multitouch visualizer 2, and multitouch tester all from the android market and the results are always dual imput, not multi...
Am I doning something wrong is the fact that it will not register a third or more imputs... I thought we had up to 5 digit touch
Can anyone confirm or deny?
Thanks
more than 2 fingers, Apple will give u a hard time
majik8ball said:
so far I have downloaded multitouch test, touch test, multitouch visualizer 2, and multitouch tester all from the android market and the results are always dual imput, not multi...
Am I doning something wrong is the fact that it will not register a third or more imputs... I thought we had up to 5 digit touch
Can anyone confirm or deny?
Thanks
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Use the app phonetester. That is the most accurate.
dumasymptote said:
Why would you ever need 4 point multitouch on the atrix to begin with... I mean of all the things to complain about this is the lame...
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This is a terrible problem. I had to stop playing metroid zero mission on my old phone, because you couldn't press the r trigger, the up button, and the b button simultaneously, and you needed to (those 3 buttons when pressed shoot misslles up) in order to kill the boss.
has anyone tried some emulators, like snes or psx or gameboid? i wonder if it reconizes more than two touch imputs..??
ronan_zj said:
more than 2 fingers, Apple will give u a hard time
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DING DING DING finally someone remembers...
http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and...-back-at-motorola-with-multitouch-patent-suit
Apple, Google and device makers have been embroiled in patent lawsuits since the first Android devices were being made. It still continues. If folks recall, there was huge controversy when I think the original Droid (or was it even earlier, the G1 maybe?) came out and didn't have multitouch in the US, but the international version did. This is why and it continues to be an issue.
What are you talking about... The ATT captivate with the froyo ROM does 5 fingers...
Galaxy s has 5 touch