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Is it just me, or this phone has the same button layout as the Dream?
Any chance we will see the Touch HD with android on it?
The dream, the Diamond and the Touch Pro all have the same 4 buttons.
And no, i don't believe for one single, solitary second that HTC will sell a device with Windows mobile and offer you a choice to install android on it.
If they did offer you the choice to change, i'd expect MS would get seriously pissed with HTC!!
They will not offer a choice for sure, but they can sell a different SKU with Andoid (based on the same hardware). MS would have nothing to say, and at the end of the day I don't really think that HTC cares a about how happy MS is.
But that is just speculation.
Well, at least these latest WM devices lost the dedicated Strat, PIE, Messaging and OK buttons, which were included probably in the reference WM phone design.
Now the phones look a lot more OS agnostic, and MS has to live with that, since their os is crap and manufacturers need to fight the iPhone.
oh thank god i'm not the only one that kept thinking that... I was starting to think that I was seeing android stuff everywhere! But this does leave me to believe that they (HTC) are leaving us open in the future with OS choice on our phones. And by that I do mean same hardware, but different systems on separate SKU's.
I´m sure in a short time, from this fantastic forum some devs will start to develope Android to be ported on several HTC models.
Lt´s see how good it is
personally I think the diamond and TPro should have ditched the dpad and gone with wide (tall) screens as well, would add another quarter inch or so to the screen, which would be more welcome than the dpad.
The 4 buttons are enough for most people (but 6 would be better, I miss my dedicated win and OK buttons).
I hate the current trend of removing buttons in favor of a full touch like device. Can dcall me old school, but the idea of completely removing the dpad is insane to me. However, I do like the touch HD and I look forward to seeing it run android. I think it's just a matter of time.
I'm concerned that I won't be able to play any of my games. Some dude is working on an app that converts the g-sensor moves into button presses and he has it working but still...
edit: first pics are out nowhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/sony-ericsson-x2-spotted/
this is just my wishlist:
-much faster internal flash memory. installing a cab or launching an app takes same time as much as the 6-yearold HTC-magican
-Same form factor (sliding keybord)
-Screen should be at least 3.2” without increasing the total size of the phone. Seems doable if they optimize the unused space and relocate some of the buttons to the side. 3.2” should be the new 2.8. 3.2 is also much friendlier for hand use and easier on the eyes
- faster CPU. Samsung already using 624mhz and asus will use 800mhz very soon
- built in falsh should be at least 2 or 4 GB just for convenience+ the sd card.
- jogdial and maybe an extra button on the side (record, comm., ok…etc) to improve usability with 1 hand use
- keyboard needs a fifth raw with a slight increase in button travel distance.
- the panels is bloated and takes too much memory and slow. It needs to be optimized
- accelerometer. Too many developers are starting to make use of this
- very quick release date. Its not like we are asking them to do a totally new hardware. All these things seem like tweeks to the current model. No later than first half of 09
Over at esato, there are rumours that SE is already working on its new xperia which will come with wm7, have a 5mp cam and will be based on qualcomm snapdragon 8250. I wish that it is true.
faster CPU. Samsung already using 624mhz and asus will use 800mhz very soon
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I would'nt say that too loud, the Qualcomm chipset features the 528mhz ARM11 based CPU with a 274MHz ARM9 coprocessor, and dont forget to mention the ATI Imageon although it doesnt get much use on WM6.
The Samsung is a older generation Xscale processor. Compared to each other, there wouldn't be an noticable difference afaik, probably the Qualcomm is faster theoreticly speaking.
A OMAP3-like chipset would be awesome though. (Arm Cortex powered, about 2-3 times faster compared to the X1 chipset)
Would love to see that 1 Ghz qualcomm in a phone.
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Over at esato, there are rumours that SE is already working on its new xperia which will come with wm7, have a 5mp cam and will be based on qualcomm snapdragon 8250. I wish that it is true.
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That would indicate that we need to wayt till late 2009 early 2010 for the next Xperia device.
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That would indicate that we need to wayt till late 2009 early 2010 for the next Xperia device.
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Thought WM7 is delayed to the end of 2009 at best...
sonyE already said that xperia would not be tired to an os
and they might not use wm on the next x2
so maybe it will be symbian or android or something 3th
as they are not currently a part of the android group
Seems it's not going to be Symbian - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...-uiq-is-teh-sux-probably-doesnt-bode-well-fo/
WinMo or Android imo.
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Seems it's not going to be Symbian - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...-uiq-is-teh-sux-probably-doesnt-bode-well-fo/
WinMo or Android imo.
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if winmo 7 lives up to the hype then that would be nice
i would say some wishlist stuff for the x2 would be a bigger screen maybe between 3.2-3.8
better keyboard, more buttons, capacitive screen, multi touch, and accelerometer would be nice
but this is coming from somone that doesn't actually own one
I'm very very very happy with the current generation xperia phone. Only complaint really is how sony have handled (Or mishandled) the launch of the product.
It's almost like a call centre opening at 9, but calls only get answered from 11 o clock onwards - why launch something September 30th then start to sell it Nov 30th?
That aside, great screen, decent keyboard, blazingly fast (panels aside), good connectivity and a premium feel all make for a phone i'll be happy with for the next 18 months at least.
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Seems it's not going to be Symbian - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...-uiq-is-teh-sux-probably-doesnt-bode-well-fo/
WinMo or Android imo.
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Not UIQ but most likely Symbian Foundation
sorry to bring this from the dead but the people above are taking about many roumers. i was wondering if there is any news about about the x2 or whatever they end up calling it. are there any solid info that htc wont be building it (i care because of xda support)
sony is loosing money big time on ps3 and global crisis
sonyE is loosing money too
doubt we will see sonyE making too many revolutionary products
in awhile
time for them to feed the cash-cows
think it will be the end of the year or early next before they release the x2.
by then we will be in wm7 (if the x2 is a wm device)
prob be 1gz cpu
512 ram
8 - 12 mp camera
oled screen
(going by there prototype model phone that they showed at mobile show, would not expect it to have weaker specs)
one thing for sure about the next xperia... it will NOT be made by HTC
i would be very surprised if sony ditches the windows mobile platform for xperia:
-they already have many other symbiyan based toy phons.
-they need to differenciate their only buisness line phones from the c,p..etc series phones
- the recent realease of mxp,Xtract and r3a roms (despite their money situation ) *may* suggest that they are commited to winmo for a future phone
my guess, SE (like samsung) are waiting for official wm6.5 (q3) orr even wm7 before announcing anything. unlike HTC they probably cant afford to flood the market with a zillion diffent similar models
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one thing for sure about the next xperia... it will NOT be made by HTC
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that would be really bad to sony. as i cant imagine the x1 being a worthwhile device if it wasnt for the proper support of this site. none of the other site out there can be considered even "good enough"
its said they wont use htc again for future devices but till they make the x2 nobody knows. i remember sony not wanting to use the company that makes the ps3 pads rumble because of the lawsuit with the company but then they did after people complained about lack of rumble on the pad.
I think it all depends on how comfidant sonyE is on making there own wm phone from scratch.
I also hear sony may buy out the ericsson half of the business so that will change a lot of how things are done as a company.
found this post. hope its true
Originally Posted by kbadone
Don't worry X2 is in development, I work at Sony Ericsson RTP NC, we have the X2 SP1 build. I can't say much about it but it looks 5x better than X1 design wise, and regarding the software its running WM6.5
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found this post. hope its true
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Just to give some reference of time SP1 is a prototype hardware revision. @ SE it goes, DPX.X -> SPX.X -> APX.X -> PQX.X ....so a X2 announcement shouldn't be too far off.
You heard it folks. The next BIG thing out there should be the N97. Let's make an early discussion about it and how it compares to the x1. I found this little comparison of the two:
http://www.phonegg.com/compare/24/Nokia-N97-vs-Sony-Ericsson-XPERIA-X1.html
Well, what can be observed from N97 interface - and it's almost identical to 5800,
it's sh**t. I would not even consider this one...
No windows ? (no cooking, no apps, no tweaking...)
No thanks
winmo > symbian ?
It looks like the x1 will win in the battery power detail too.
specs wise N97 is just awesome. but i nvr liked symbian...
Palm's new interface PRE is the next big thing
I do not agree with the first statemnet... N97 won't offer anything special over the current symbian devices other than possible high-resolution video recording capabilities. The real challenge would be Xperia Vs. Palm Pre!
I now own an iPhone 2G and an Xperia. When a better looking Google Phone hits the market, i'm going to go after that as well - or maybe if i find a cheaper G1 on sale then that. And in the future... Palm Pre of course!
Anyways... any Microsoft Devices comparisons with other devices should be put on hold. Microsoft is announcing 6.5... lets see what they offer in that - i don't care much about the beta or leaked images and videos out there, but am more waiting for the final version or Microsoft's official screenshots etc.
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N97 look good, but i think it cant top thee xperia...
Dumb comparation. Let's compare what we have now with what will be after 2 years )
Nokia are way behind competition regarding hi-tech devices. They recently launched their first touchscreen device, so, please, don't compare them.
Nokia is making devices for the masses, not for power-users. N97 will be a failure.
I wouldn't consider anything except WinMo or Linux. Symbian is sh-t.
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Dumb comparation. Let's compare what we have now with what will be after 2 years )
Nokia are way behind competition regarding hi-tech devices. They recently launched their first touchscreen device, so, please, don't compare them.
Nokia is making devices for the masses, not for power-users. N97 will be a failure.
I wouldn't consider anything except WinMo or Linux. Symbian is sh-t.
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Well I've had Nokia's for the past 4 years and know how it works, now that I purchased an X1a. Man I gotta tell you there's so many retrictions for Symbian users, WinMo is the clear winner over Symbian. Its week 2 for my 1st WinMo device and I still have a lot to learn, so many possibilities with WinMo and on other forums like HoFo, all they can say is WinMo sucks because its too complicatied. Everytime I see that I think to myself too complicated for their caveman brain(me make call, me no use WinMo).
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Well I've had Nokia's for the past 4 years and know how it works, now that I purchased an X1a. Man I gotta tell you there's so many retrictions for Symbian users, WinMo is the clear winner over Symbian. Its week 2 for my 1st WinMo device and I still have a lot to learn, so many possibilities with WinMo and on other forums like HoFo, all they can say is WinMo sucks because its too complicatied. Everytime I see that I think to myself too complicated for their caveman brain(me make call, me no use WinMo).
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I understand exactly what you mean, but I'm not as prepared as you are to jump on the bandwagon.
Yesterday, for example, I popped my SIM in an E71-2 just because I was going to have a fairly active schedule and simply did not want the bulkier Xperia bouncing around and clicking its buttons when it accidentally took itself off hibernation while in my pocket.
And comparing the Xperia and the E71 next to each other, I come away with the feeling that the Xperia asks for too much attention in its operations and management. I keep thinking, "fiddly" as an adjective to describe the combination of Xperia and Windows Mobile.
It might appear to a potential power user that Symbian is not as customisable as Windows Mobile...but IMHO that is because it doesn't need to be. It's already customised to what a power user [sic] would want.
Don't kill me.
It's just one old man's opinion.
I confess that it's entirely possible that I'm getting used to the Xperia, which is my first touch screen device. It's not my first Windows Mobile device, however, and I was delighted with how easy it was to modify the Symbian phone and find programmes for it when compared to my previous device, a Q9h Global on WinMo 6.1.
Having said all that, I understand why somebody would have posted a thread asking about a comparison of the N97 vs the Xperia, because I've found myself wondering exactly the same thing. I think that the majority of users who really have to use and rely on their devices really might be tempted by the N97 simply because it provides the power of a good, solid PDA design with the inherent easy usability of Symbian.
But even if you buy into the Symbian idea, you will notice things about the Xperia that might cause you to hang onto the Xperia instead of running for the N97 when it first shows up. It's pretty clear, for example, that the Xperia's screen will be superior to the N97's, despite the better colour depth of the N97 screen.
I think we're going to have to hold the N97 and see it next to our Xperias before we could say for a definite certainty that we'd prefer one to the other.
c'mon guys...there's nothing to compare obiously...
I had Symbian too. UIQ3 (SE) and S60(Nokia).
Symbian is optimized for a limited set of tasks. The one that the manufacturer think it's good for their users. Well, some users(like me) found that the manufacturer didn't optimised the device for them. I would like more. Now i have WinMo and i'm satisfied with it. I would like to try Linux either.
With WinMo you're limited by hardware only. There are a lot of software developers and a lot of possibilities due to the platform, that you can customize the way you want
i have had 3 symbian phones (2 uiq), 2 from sony and one from panasonic. i changed my w960i (uiq) for the x1. i have found the wm6.1 to be better than symbian but symbian is very good if u need a standard phone with some extra stuff (office/emails etc) but its very hard to add or change the phone to suit your needs. all that being said i think the n97 will be a very good phone but is based at a different area to the x1.
this is how i see it:
Normal phones - standard phones, nice camera
Android / Iphone / N97 - Style phones, looks nice, easy to use, extra apps
WM / Blackberry - Business phones, very adaptable(WM)
Well in my opinion why even bother to compare them as your trying to compare wm against symbian.. well n97 looks and is really great but the OS is making it less attractive as xperia has wm os.. well the os of n97 is restricted as there only will be firmware updates and no upgrades of the rom it self as wm 6.1 > wm 6.5 wm 7 ... symbian os 9.4 is restricted to it self... (i'm a symbian moderator at another forum but i do see this comparing as neutral and bringing forward the facts.. )
well you all probably by this post know where my vote goes..
Um.....am I the only one that is not impressed by the palm pre? I HONESTLY don't like it. Everyone is saying "omg its revolutionary" pffffff. Overhyped much?
HAHAHAHA that resolution is so laughable. once you go WVGA, you dont go back. ICK! especially the pixel grille showing! like a person with huge gaps between their teeth! you cant take your eyes off it! lol
xp1
Well ive had a N96 symbian and one thing is for sure
the phone suite app works easyer and faster then that idiotic active sync bull that microsoft put on the market.
Meanwhile that symbian needs a certtificate to get any illegal or legal software on the phone is frustrating at least
But that nokia bought and now ownes symbyan and that its impossible to get any software on their phones without a certificate made me return to windows mobile
In short nokia is more stable better in their software and just makes exelent phones and frankly is more popular
(See it as mercedes... you can buy an audi with all the trimmings that even drives better but it still wont keep its value like a merc.)
sony's xperia once you have one and you take that awfull active sync for granted it will blow the nokia out of the water
AND.... Dont even get me started about crazy man i harvest sourcecodes jobs and let me decide what you can put on my Iphone that you bought for hundreds of dollars.
I currently have a nokia n95 and i hate it. Worst phone ive ever bought.
GPS is crap.
5mp camera = 5mp of blur.
The battery lasts 4 hours on standby before it dies.
Sound quality in phone calls is terrible.
I've had to reflash the firmware at least 4 times due to it bugging out.
The phone randomly switches itself off every now and then.
Build quality is rubbish the + volume button doesnt work and has caved in.
Can't wait to get my xperia this month
Ive unsucessfully used the search function to found somethread like this
As a community we are here of Blackstone users, im curious whether will upgrade to HD2?
Actually im satisfied with the HD as i can do everything i need, especially with the ROMs we found here. But i think its question of time that ROM-makers migrate do Leo, isnt it?
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Ive unsucessfully used the search function to found somethread like this
As a community we are here of Blackstone users, im curious whether will upgrade to HD2?
Actually im satisfied with the HD as i can do everything i need, especially with the ROMs we found here. But i think its question of time that ROM-makers migrate do Leo, isnt it?
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I added a 4th option to your poll. Hope you don't mind
ill skip it for winmo 7
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Just what the poll needed thanks!! I voted the 4th..
no for me...
more todo with the HD being a work phone. not sure when im due for a replacement but as most places int he current climate - we aint replacing much kit unless it's essential.
HD does me perfect really. does everything i need it to.... although it could be a bit quicker!
i love winmo..which is coming to extreme soon
ofcourse yes
i would like to upgrade
i read opinion out here .. for me I made a query aswell if i could upgrade it or not like what iphone 2g did with 3g 100£ and upgrade option..
for me what i think is htc touch hd is great but two things missing on it...
i.e Responsive ness (really important for being quicker "as someone mentioned up" about htc touch hd not being quicker)
second is multitouch gives lots time saving on internet browsing what i learnt using iphone....
solution on htc touch hd2
multitouch and responsive ness as it uses sensitive (capacitive) screen which is in detailed mentioned on general forum aswell.
of course i am winmo lover as i hate toy type of things and the hype iphone has got.. (yet considering the usability and ease of use it has provided for general users,) i believe our htc touch hd is real tool.
in the end i would love to upgrade if there is anything like upgrade option....... as i still have my 8 months left on contract.
I'd love to, but it's too expensive to consider. I never spent so much in a mobile before as with the HD, and it must last another year at least to be worth the spent.
In most cases if there is something REALLY new on the market, it's a bit like a beta version.
See the first Iphone without 3g, touch hd with rarely supported screensize and the little bit too slow processor, or the first directx 10 cards with to slow performance for this technology, ...
Products with big "improvements" are mostly a little bit beta, so i think it's good to wait and look what's in the future
greets
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Absolutely not hehe. I knew that i was missing something. Cheers
Picked 4th one .
Hoping when the winmo7 version comes out, it'll have:
* the front face videocalling camera again (i like how it gives me the option to make videocalls and portrait pics with my gf and mates by giving a preview)
* maybe an even narrower, thinner, shorter body (same 4.3in screen)
* over 1350mah battery size
* that stylus they patented
others I'd like to see:
* Not necessary, but front-touch buttons like the HD. Unless they implement hardware buttons alot better than the HD2 (imo the layout and shape looks ugly)
* oled-amoled screen
My initial reaction to leak specs and pictures was:
No....not enough improvements for me to consider
When 6.5 Leo ROMs came out I was like:
Upgrade? I can have WM 6.5 on my HD!
After reading more reviews and videos:
I’m considering.....
Now:
Is it a question? Of course, yes!
Can't wait for delivery.
It is too big IMHO.HD is perfect sized.
But the capacitive screen and the Snapdragon are so attractive...
It's a hard choice
The faster CPU, multitouch (FINALLY) and the bigger screen make me find it worth the upgrade.
As for WM6.5 on the HD, ok, it works, but the HD is still, as it always was, underpowered for such a big display.
Only under the best and freshest of circumstances does it run smooth.
The new gen CPU should change this considerably.
And get ready, my supplier states HD2 to be deliverable on the 6th!
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ill skip it for winmo 7
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will have to 2nd that.
Have chosen Option 4.
More CPU Power is good but it is too big now (Not a problem though) and the removal of the front cam and stylus is really bad.
Better camera software is needed and flash should be better.
just to post a quote from msmobiles
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HTC made it: thanks to their big investment in research and development, they are the first to release Windows Mobile phone with multitouch. But there is one big problem:
... namely, unlike Samsung, that is providing SDK for Samsung Windows Mobile phones to take advantage of accelerometer, compass, etc, HTC is not providing such SDK at all, what is a big problem in case of HTC HD2, as one of our readers have noticed:
* Whatever remains of the Windows Mobile community is going bonkers over the HTC HD2 and its hacked-in multi-touch support. Why in the world does this matter if third-party apps won't be able to use it? I'm sure we'll see community API efforts on XDA-Devs, just like for past HTC controls (circular controller, zoom bar, accelerometer, etc.), but that's not going to extend very far beyond XDA.
Obviously what's needed is first-party support from MS, but given that WM development on MS' part has been in a coma for several years, the next line is the OEM, and HTC's support would be quite useful to build a collection of third-party apps that actually make some use of the device.
People talk about matching the iPhone-- sure, the HD2's hardware is impressive, but given its likely software state, it'll be miles away from the iPhone in actual usefulness. Why care about a digital compass, accelerometer, or multi-touch that won't work in any third-party apps?
Conclusion: since HTC HD2 is extremely expensive, maybe users should wait for Windows Mobile 7 phones where third party developers will be able to take advantage of multitouch and compass? Or maybe HTC should wake up and provide SDK for their Windows Mobile phones at last?
Note: according to leaked specifications of Windows Mobile 7, HTC HD2 will not (!) be upgradeable to Windows Mobile 7.[/QUOTE)
Maybe yes, we should wait.
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i'm really thinking about it, but i think i will wait for the next device announcement.
i guess it will have a smaller screen (capacitive also, maybe 3.8?) with snapdragon 1ghz processor and QWERTY keyboard.
that's what i need
Yes - the Touch HD's poor processor is annoying me everyday. It can't even handle predictive text when sending an SMS in a timely fashion.
It was great at the time, but it's now time for the HD2.
i would skip because i already spent a fortune on hd so it should atleast last another year...
but the snapdragon and capacitive touchscreen really makes you drool
Thought about upgrading, but then it's a really expensive phone that only corrects the HD shortcoming (power, speed, camera, capacitive...)
I will wait for the next generation of devices, and an OLED screen before I upgrade. The next question for me will be to decide between Android v2.0 (it's now only starting to become a real alternative to winmo if the Exchange support is done correctly), and Windows Mobile 7.0
Frankly at the minute, from what I see of WinMo 7, I am not impressed at all...
All of my previous mobiles were purely phones that were used for that purpose only. When I decided I needed mobile email etc. for my business a friend who had an HD suggested the HD2 and after reading all the reviews which were pretty unanimous in praising the HD2 and Sense but were very critical about WM, I decided to go for it.
Now what is puzzling me is why so many people are critical of WM? I think it's really rather good and as a business user does eveything that I would ask of it. In fact any problems I've encountered have been with sense and as far as I can see this seems to be the case on this forum as well.
I realise that in it's present incarnation WM is designed for a stylus but on the HD2 with its superb screen I don't have much of a problem using any of the native apps and of course there are plenty of third party apps around.
So am I missing something because I just can't see the downside?
If your introduction to Win Mobile is a device like the HD2 and the resulting user experience then you would be baffled as to what is wrong with it. But keep in mind that the HD2 is exceptional in hardware compared to EVERY OTHER Win Mo device that has ever existed, bar some exceptions.
Most other devices were woefully underpowered to handle an O.S based around a desktop style U.I, never was really finger friendly and the web browser was terrible really until Opera and the others. For me personally, Palm made Win Mobile tolerable to use as well as HTC.
I absolutely agree with you - I have been using WM for years, and at times have used Symbian/UIQ. I used Symbian because my operator gave me an upgrade every year and I was told that the SonyEricsson P series was the best thing for mobile smartphones.
The journalists, almost to a man, agreed with that assessment, showering praise on the P800, P900 and P910.
I do not understand it - to my mind, and for my money, WM beat UIQ unhesitatingly in terms of raw functionality and yet I groaned as I read review after review showering praise on S-E phones and UIQ, saying it was the way of things to come, while damning WM at the same time. There were LOADS of things WM could do that UIQ could not. It was the same when I looked at the ungainly and unusable Symbian Series 60 devices - no touch screen!!! It seems almost laughable now.
At the moment, the journos, who hunt in packs, have it in for WM, and they lose no time in criticising either the OS or any device that uses it.
I agree that WM has long been due for an overhaul, and Apple's iToy has been welcome competition in forcing MS either to upgrade the OS (which it looks like they are doing) or abandon it (which it seems they are not). To my mind, the HD2 just shows what WM is capable of - the best being that it is all there, now, not promiseware.
It is good to hear someone new to WM saying what you are saying - welcome to the club!
rjstep3
So am I missing something because I just can't see the downside?
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Yeah these days i would agree there seems not to be a downside worth talking about .. The HD2 makes this tired os shine coupled with sense on top it looks modern and works very well .
I come from an iPhone 3G and im really happy with my HD2 and am impressed at the stability of the phone even on these cooked roms .. The 3G was getting dull and the HD2 was just what was needed.
However this was not always my impression or WinMo, i had an HTC Magician many years ago and i can say with 100% truth this was the worst phone i ever owned . If the battery ran out, and it would in a good few hours, the thing would hard reset and wipe all my data, leaving me to recover from backup, HTC issue or windows i do not know but it was bad .. , Windows was so unstable i would be rebooting the damn thing 1 or more times per day .. horrid .. There are many other faults i used to experience on this phone (phone lol) but i have blocked them out my mind for good.
I avoided windows phones for many a year deciding to use, Ericsson, Nokia, Samsung and Apple instead .. When the HD2 came out and i needed an upgrade, all the reviews i read and watched made me rethink my position .. Very happy i did
You're bound to think Windows Mobile is wonderful if you've never used any of its rivals. You need to spend some time on an iPhone 3GS, and then on a high-end Android phone (the Google Nexus One, for example) to get a balanced opinion.
As LordLugard points out, the HD2 is (in many respects) the best Windows Mobile phone out there; and it achieves this by compensating for, or simply hiding, many of the OS' deficiencies. It's a bit like a well-laid-out house with a monster lurking in the cellar - so long as you stay upstairs, you're fine.
Most of the day-to-day operation on an HD2 is not controlled directly by Windows Mobile, but has been skinned by HTC as part of its "Sense UI" front-end. If you ever have to venture beneath that, then things get much uglier. For example, go onto the settings tab, Data Services, and click ActiveSync. This gets you into the SenseUI screen for ActiveSync settings; looks quite nice, very finger-friendly. But you'll notice this is incomplete: there's no way to set the Peak Times. To do this you need to go Start Menu, Tools, ActiveSync, Menu, Schedule. Now you're in the default Windows Mobile screen for controlling the same settings (as opposed to the Sense UI skin). Notice the immediate visual difference, and how difficult it is to click the checkboxes accurately with your finger? Raw Windows Mobile is like that all the way through; it's just that HTC has managed to hide it most of the time.
Performance is another issue. Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on the Windows CE 5.2 kernel - which hasn't been seriously updated in 5 or 6 years. That means core OS operations are coded in such a way that they cannot take full advantage of any CPU that was designed more recently than that. This means that Windows Mobile always runs much slower than competing OSes on the same hardware. It also (for other reasons) is a memory hog. Again, you don't notice this so much on an HD2, because the Snapdragon processor is fast enough, and there's enough memory, that even Windows Mobile generally doesn't slow it down too much. But there are exceptions. If you look at the specifications for HTC's not-quite-released-yet Bravo phone, for example, this runs on very similar hardware to the HD2 (also based on the Snapdragon chipset) but it offers playback of 720p video clips, and the ability to capture 720p video using the camera. The reason the HD2 can't do is because it's running Windows Mobile.
There are general usability issues, too. Notice how many "tweaks" are advertised on this forum that require specially written utility programmes or registry edits to enable? On other OSes you generally don't need to do this: everything works in a sensible way as soon as you take the phone out of the box. Windows Mobile phones are very much ongoing projects - it takes weeks or even months to get them working the way you want. If you're the sort of person who enjoys that, great. And, arguably, if you are an inveterate tweaker, WinMo offers a higher degree of customisability. But many people prefer a phone that just works; and Android and iPhone do a much better job of that.
There are many other issues, too; the complete lack of multi-touch support in the OS is an obvious one.
I'm new to windows mobile, and have to say I don't get why it's put down so much. Sure it's taken me a couple of weeks to get my head around, and sure you may have to tweak settings to get the phone how you want it, but that's half the fun (although sometimes can cause you intense frustration). I've come from an iphone, and whilst this works better out of the box and you don't need to tweak as much, there were still things I wanted to tweak to get it just how I wanted it, but couldn't unless I jailbroke it. When I did this it was much slower at times and more glitchy. I tried several jailbreaks and they were all the same. Blackra1n was the best I found but still upset the phone.
Anyway, back onto winmo, my only negative comments about it have already been mentioned by others. It's not as finger friendly as other OS's, including sense, but it's not that bad really. And it's a little ugly, but again not that bad. The good points far out-weigh the bad imo
Shasarak said:
Performance is another issue. Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on..... this means that Windows Mobile always runs much slower than competing OSes on the same hardware..... is a memory hog..... The reason the HD2 can't do is because it's running Windows Mobile.
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Again trying to spread that lie?
I get the feeling that you're paid by Apple to spread this kind of FUD...
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Cass67 said:
So this is not true ? I was under impression that from the system info pages this is a WinCE 5.02 based OS .. Wrong ?
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Sorry, the quote was misplaced.
It is a WinCE based OS but that does not at all mean that it's slower than in any noticeable way and it has nothing to do with the ability of playing HD video.
Neither iPhone nor Android make use of any of the ARMv7 instructions in order to play HD video (and btw. the iPhone doesn't officially play HD video). Moreover, if you compare Android, Windows Mobile and iPhone OS on similar hardware, you can see that Windows Mobile is just as fast in most of the day-to-day tasks and even faster at some. And lastly, iPhone OS is much more of a memory hog than Windows Mobile, which you can see by comparing the RAM usage of both, and in addition to that, Windows Mobile has much better memory management (which is probably one of the reasons why Apple doesn't allow multitasking).
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It is a WinCE based OS but that does not at all mean that it's slower than in any noticeable way and it has nothing to do with the ability of playing HD video.
Sorry, the quote was misplaced.
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Heh, no worries ..
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(and btw. the iPhone doesn't officially play HD video).
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Officially, no. Unofficially it can play 1080p video. See, for example, http://gizmodo.com/5045466/the-iphone-handles-1080p-video-just-fine
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Moreover, if you compare Android, Windows Mobile and iPhone OS on similar hardware, you can see that Windows Mobile is just as fast in most of the day-to-day tasks and even faster at some.
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I'd have more patience for that claim if it were not self-evidently untrue. Android apps can be a bit held back by the whole Java architecture, sure; but what exactly is your explanation as to why the HTC Bravo can both play and record 720p when the HD2 can't, despite being based on virtually identical hardware? It's clearly nothing whatever to do with drivers and hardware acceleration. There are plenty of applications that offer hardware-accelerated playback under Windows Mobile. On the HD2 we get hardware-accelerated MP4's and WMV's in Pocket Media Player. On the TG01, the specially customised version of Coreplayer that the phone ships with offers hardware-accelerated playback of any codec that CorePlayer supports. And yet neither application on either phone can play 720p video at acceptable speeds.
I recall that your stated position the last time we discussed this was that a hardware-accelerated version of CorePlayer could not possibly exist (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622393&page=2 posts #18 and #20); this despite the fact that it ships with every TG01 sold and that several people had previously downloaded it from this forum and run it on an HD2 (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613355 ). You then went on to demand that I supply evidence in support of claims I hadn't made. Frankly, your credibility on this point is in tatters; so, can we just drop it, please? Stop trying to derail the thread.
(And before anyone asks, no, I cannot tell you where to download the TG01 version of CorePlayer.)
Officially, no. Unofficially it can play 1080p video.
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That's why I said officially.
hat exactly is your explanation as to why the HTC Bravo can both play and record 720p when the HD2 can't
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Because the Bravo has drivers, the HD2 has not. It's as simple as that. If anyone would make drivers for the HD2, it could play HD video as well.
And by the way, those drivers do exist in the labs of Qualcomm.
Since you are unable to point me to the proof of the Coreplayer version playing 720p in EVERY format, your post is just empty words. Looking at the thread you linked, I can absolutely not see any proof of that. Instead, I can see proof of what I am saying.
Do you always post random links in order to "prove" your lies and hope nobody reads them?
Additionally, your claims that WM is responsible for the lack of HD video playback capabilities contradict the existence of a Coreplayer version for WM that plays HD video. It also proves my point that it's all about drivers and has nothing to do with the operating system.
Truth is, the HD2's inability to play HD video as absolutely NOTHING to do with Windows Mobile. Moreover, your claims that Windows Mobile is in any way slower than the other OSs is just wrong. It is not only just as fast, it also has much better memory management than for example the iPhone, which is why Apple doesn't allow multitasking and while you can run lots of applications simultaneously on a WM device with 128MB RAM, it's almost impossible to send more than one or two applications to the background on a hacked iPhone 3G with the same amount of RAM, which proves that your claims of WM being a "memory hog" are utter bull****, just like all the rest of what you allege.
I'm not going to accept that you spread that kind of bull**** here on the forum. You're a liar (or maybe paid for spreading FUD), and your insistence on those false (and even contradictory) claims is not only ridiculous, it doesn't make them true either.
Same here, I cant find any Major flows in the OS yet!
But when you read about WM in Google, forums! they scare you about the problems!
Yes sure it dosent have as much Apps as other Mobile Os, But every app i need i got in here and a damn fast phone
But sure if compared to older phones it might be unfair.
I am 100% sure that I read in a tech review that Windows Mobile disables the HD functions built into the Snapdragon. Is this not so?
donalgodon said:
I am 100% sure that I read in a tech review that Windows Mobile disables the HD functions built into the Snapdragon. Is this not so?
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No, this is not so.
Shasarak said:
You're bound to think Windows Mobile is wonderful if you've never used any of its rivals. You need to spend some time on an iPhone 3GS, and then on a high-end Android phone (the Google Nexus One, for example) to get a balanced opinion.
As LordLugard points out, the HD2 is (in many respects) the best Windows Mobile phone out there; and it achieves this by compensating for, or simply hiding, many of the OS' deficiencies. It's a bit like a well-laid-out house with a monster lurking in the cellar - so long as you stay upstairs, you're fine.
Most of the day-to-day operation on an HD2 is not controlled directly by Windows Mobile, but has been skinned by HTC as part of its "Sense UI" front-end. If you ever have to venture beneath that, then things get much uglier. For example, go onto the settings tab, Data Services, and click ActiveSync. This gets you into the SenseUI screen for ActiveSync settings; looks quite nice, very finger-friendly. But you'll notice this is incomplete: there's no way to set the Peak Times. To do this you need to go Start Menu, Tools, ActiveSync, Menu, Schedule. Now you're in the default Windows Mobile screen for controlling the same settings (as opposed to the Sense UI skin). Notice the immediate visual difference, and how difficult it is to click the checkboxes accurately with your finger? Raw Windows Mobile is like that all the way through; it's just that HTC has managed to hide it most of the time.
Performance is another issue. Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on the Windows CE 5.2 kernel - which hasn't been seriously updated in 5 or 6 years. That means core OS operations are coded in such a way that they cannot take full advantage of any CPU that was designed more recently than that. This means that Windows Mobile always runs much slower than competing OSes on the same hardware. It also (for other reasons) is a memory hog. Again, you don't notice this so much on an HD2, because the Snapdragon processor is fast enough, and there's enough memory, that even Windows Mobile generally doesn't slow it down too much. But there are exceptions. If you look at the specifications for HTC's not-quite-released-yet Bravo phone, for example, this runs on very similar hardware to the HD2 (also based on the Snapdragon chipset) but it offers playback of 720p video clips, and the ability to capture 720p video using the camera. The reason the HD2 can't do is because it's running Windows Mobile.
There are general usability issues, too. Notice how many "tweaks" are advertised on this forum that require specially written utility programmes or registry edits to enable? On other OSes you generally don't need to do this: everything works in a sensible way as soon as you take the phone out of the box. Windows Mobile phones are very much ongoing projects - it takes weeks or even months to get them working the way you want. If you're the sort of person who enjoys that, great. And, arguably, if you are an inveterate tweaker, WinMo offers a higher degree of customisability. But many people prefer a phone that just works; and Android and iPhone do a much better job of that.
There are many other issues, too; the complete lack of multi-touch support in the OS is an obvious one.
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LOL...
gabbs said:
LOL...
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Why do you even qoute that BS?
freyberry said:
Why do you even qoute that BS?
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some ppl might be reading it and think it's fact..
LOL
well this is my first wm phone and what a choice I made,its totally awesome and for me blows all other phones out of the park. I had the Sony satio before this but sent it back after 5 days,I'm so glad I did.as for apps,you just have to look about,there's 1000's spread about....I also know a good site for (free) games....lol
donwhann said:
... I also know a good site for (free) games....lol
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May I remind you of the forum rules - this site is for sharing!
So if you know of a site with some good free (and legal) games, please let us in on the info!
thanks
rjstep3