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Hi,
I am pretty new and my english is not so good, but as many of you I am getting angry with Samsung Omnia II OpenGL driver poor quality.
For those who doesnt know what is goin on:
Samsung is confusing consumers that Samsung Omnia II has 3D accelerator inside, but the true is that the OpenGL driver is written badly and than there are many slow 3D applications or no running applications due to this problem.
There are some gifted customers, that are trying to create running version of driver on their own, but Samsung is the one who should do some certified OpenGL drivers for any app on WinMo!
In my opinion the only way that Samsung will do something is to create an online petition and send this information to much forums as possible. This can notify an online magazines and online media. Than Samsung have to do something or they will loose new customers, current customers and their nice looking Samsung Omnia II marketing strategy wont help them.
Update:
Thanks to user deepower, there is petition: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/omnia2/
Help us make Samsung Omnia II better!
Original petition text:
Samsung is misleading its customers by saying that Omnia 2 has a 3D graphic accelerator chip inside, therefore graphic-intense games and apps run seemlessly.Up to some point this is true, but becouse Samsung has coded the driver badly for the accelerator chip, the very own software that Samsung created can't even truly benefit from the accelerator, as well as other third party software. This petition is for Samsung to get to work for a better Open GL driver.
Please note that you do NOT have to donate to sign our petition.
signed
you're mistaken. there are proper opengl es 2 drivers. the open gl es 1 driver is just a wrapper for opengl es 2, so no wonder it doesnt work that well. learn open gl es 2 and it works properly.
Maybe... i'm only a "messenger and user" that opened this thread to get more signatures... I'm not familiarized with the exact problem regarding the opengl driver for i8000.
o2neouzr said:
you're mistaken. there are proper opengl es 2 drivers.
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Um... In fact, I wouldn't call it proper. Seriously, Omnia's GL2 drivers are quite ugly themselves.
the open gl es 1 driver is just a wrapper for opengl es 2, so no wonder it doesnt work that well.
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As an author of that wrapper, I should point out that there is an "official" (i.e., written by Samsung) GL1 driver included in Omnia 2 (I mean libGLESv1_CM.dll). The problem is, it simply doesn't work. I.e., at all. It worked on some earlier firmwares (around IG6 or IG7), but then suddenly stopped working.
And, even if it did work, it would be slow as hell. Me and Chainfire already tried using it, and abandoned the idea itself. Then again, Samsung abandoned it too.
learn open gl es 2 and it works properly.
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"Properly" is simply not the word. There are a number of issues with GL2 drivers, and no sign of fixing them.
More to it, we don't have an ORION shader compiler available in an official SDK, nor does Omnia's GL2 driver has glShaderSource implemented. So, there's, in fact, NO official way to develop GL2 programs for Omnia 2.
I was asked to develop for this device from my employer; the driver is far too buggy and slow to be useful.
I'm not sure that Samsung would recognise a petition, but its at least interesting to see how many people were bitten by Samsungs buggy drivers.
weesals said:
I was asked to develop for this device from my employer; the driver is far too buggy and slow to be useful.
I'm not sure that Samsung would recognise a petition, but its at least interesting to see how many people were bitten by Samsungs buggy drivers.
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Now that's interesting... Developers cant develop GL apps and games for this stupid phone because samsung is so f$%@!$g lazy. Thank you Samsung. This will be defenetly my last SAMSUNG STUPID f$%@!$g phone. Good for me that i'm selling it Sunday.
Thank you Ginkage and Chainfire for your hard work to repair Samsung's ****.
the petition wants me to pay to sign? Bah.
It is surprising that my HTC Dream can perform even better in 3D graphics then Omnia II. haha...maybe in the future we can get it fixed.
insane73 said:
the petition wants me to pay to sign? Bah.
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Please note that you do NOT have to donate to sign our petition.
It's in the first post.
Wake up Samsung
Either Samsung will listen to their paying customers,
Or people will shift to other companies.
rrr said:
Either Samsung will listen to their paying customers,
Or people will shift to other companies.
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I totally agree with you man this damn iphone that every other bastard has is giving me the ****s e.g. "ohh hey there what apps have you got on your phone?" I mean no one even said "apps" before the iphone/pod, haha a tad off topic but Samsung should just get on with fixing thing BEFORE they sell them to people I mean what are beta testers for huh?
While I am upset that Samsung does this, I would like to point out that HTCdid the same to the Kaiser also.
Looks like the manufacturers will try to get away with any corners they can cut!
I am even more disappointed that review forums such as GSMArena did not pick up on this shortcoming! Afterall, we trust them more than the manufacturers! ;(
rrr said:
Either Samsung will listen to their paying customers,
Or people will shift to other companies.
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AGREE
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OP - you need to solicit owners of the Samsung Moment and the Spica as well - we're all in the same boat with the crappy samsung 2D/3D graphics OpenGL support.
a waste of money!
Hi all, today i have benchmarked 4 PDAs and OMNIA II so sadly was the slowest in some graphics tests
well, i am going to return my OMNIA II to electroworld tomorrow and going to buy a HTC HD2
Also i told all of my friends on social networks saying that " do not buy samsung products" i am paying a price of a laptop! i deserve better.
So, i kindly request all of my friends here to support me.
Spread this message to everyone.
Samsung has to do better.
I am done with samsung
I propose creating new section about Bada Operating system
So far is only one device: Samsung Wave [s8500] but next two will be avaible in november.
Samsung made 'Bada Cup', so we can also win 300,000 USD
I hope, that we create a lot of good aplications
VirtualVassi said:
I propose creating new section about Bada Operating system
So far is only one device: Samsung Wave [s8500] but next two will be avaible in november.
Samsung made 'Bada Cup', so we can also win 300,000 USD
I hope, that we create a lot of good aplications
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Are there any developers out there that are already or plan to hack around with Bada OS?
I think that it should great idea, Few users are browsing this section of forum.
Adding it will take second and I think, that users want creating on this platform will be find. Software on bada is creating in C++ and is familiar to Android, also on Linux code. On page Samsung we can find SDK for developers.
Sorry for mistakes, but English isn't my basic english.
EDIT:
Samsung Wave is selling in 40 countries so soon will be more people interess this platform
My wave is coming tomorrow, but I'm already searching for customization. A new section dedicated to Bada OS would be great as I didn't find much information on the net about this new platform.
Android on wave
I have got my wave s8500. it will will be cool to install android 2.2 on it. Has any one found how to remove samsung bada os and install android on it ?
anyway its a cool phone.
So, here is some people, which want section dedicated BadaOS. Please make it, because this page is the best support for phones in the internet. Samsung wants create more smartphones with BadaOS, so here should appear more interesed people this platform. If we will support BadaOS, I'm sure more people will choose with this platform because now it is new platform, and people worry about support of this.
I hope we will consider positively my request.
Sorry for my English.
VirtualVassi
ya ya even i need a section for bada OS....its a high end platform for games and applications so it would be great to hack it .
I would give a thumbs up for this suggestion Btw, where to go to get a Bada developer? Need to hire one if you are going to enter the competition
my invitation to our agreement with a new section just for BADA OS ........ for my samsung gt-s8500 ....
Bada OS
I also support the idea of having an own section for bada .
Samsung S8500 for the way .
+1 Count me in.
I'm writing something about BadaOS and Mac OS X compatibility but decided not to continue. It's just not mac friendly.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Samsung Wave, speed and screen, for its price, its already a good phone.
I bought it knowing that it will not work with MAC, I just hoped that there was at least Google wireless sync. Good thing I can easily fire up boot camp and use Windows, but...
Samsung Kies, is not that easy to use. Took me hours to make it work under Windows 7. All drivers installed but won't connect to Kies. The only way to make Kies detect the Wave is format the sdcard, then I'm good to go in synchronizing my contacts. Needed to export my contacts from Google then to Kies then to Wave.
Haven't tried my calender entries as I leave that to my HTC Desire.
So to those planning to get the wave, its a great phone as I said, super AMOLED, 1GHz, 720p video recording, great camera app to name a few, but....
Don't expect that it will work with your mac (even windows) out of the box.
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So for now, we're not going to have a section for BadaOS or the Wave. Reasons:
1. There's only one device that supports it and we haven't heard from Samsung on whether there will be more
2. The development story is unknown
If either of the above changes, we'll certainly reconsider. We have to be selective when adding new devices to XDA because the site is already packed.
svetius said:
So for now, we're not going to have a section for BadaOS or the Wave. Reasons:
1. There's only one device that supports it and we haven't heard from Samsung on whether there will be more
2. The development story is unknown
If either of the above changes, we'll certainly reconsider. We have to be selective when adding new devices to XDA because the site is already packed.
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To 1.: Well, Samsung has announced two other bada-phones, they will be available in august...
Source: Engadget (I'm not yet allowed to post links, so i can't link you the exact site )
if only it wasnt so BADa
Samsung has announced two bada phone:
1.s5220 (wave 2)
2.s5330 (wave 2 pro)
both of them have bada and both coming in august so s8500 is not alone
And what do you mean by "The development story is unknown"?
Thanks
Hi
+1 for a Bada dedicated section.
Two more Bada phones should be out soon by Samsung and I think the root for development is in C++, which is more complicated than simple Java programing, but, from what I've red on it, really rock solid and fast.
I have to add that this forum is my n°1 source of information for my mobile and I'm waiting my Wave to arrive soon.
Have a good day
Bada
Sold my good old HD and have now a Samsung Wave.
Looking for themes, apps, android and other cooked ROMs.
Yes, a Bada Section would be great.
i have samsung wave and i hope it will be supported by xda
I would also like to see some development besides the Samsung appstore. Cause it's fun!
It's for samy engineers, not for the sad users.
1. If in device specification you say that it has WiFi - please make it work.
2. If in device specification you say it has GPS - please make it work.
3. just look what OCTY had made with his application, or HTC with quick gps application, please do not play with user interface, but make your hardware WORK
4. If I want have Iphone, I will buy Iphone. If I buy Android, please do not make it Iphone AKA touchwiz. It's not ugly, but consider about storage space that I'm paying for. If I will need TW or some samy widgets, I will download them. But If you will implement them, I can not uninstall them. (only with root)
5. If some older Galaxy has prety good LCD resolution, please do not make new version of Galaxy with WORSE screen resolution. Yes, I agree - we can buy more expensive phone with HD resolution. But we can also buy a phone from your competitor for the same price and with better LCD resolution.
6. Firmware again. Why in european software release we have nortamerica GPS settings ? Why do you promisse Android 2.2 and you not make it ? As far as I know samy policy you will always come with new technologies but you will never care about the older devices. That's why you are not Apple but you are Samsung.
7. I'm not agains Samsungs. Do not take it wrong. I have samy tv set (The same with FW, you do not upgrade the old models even if the hardware is the same like old models) and more Samy devices. Because I've thought that DNLA at home is a good idea. (So I realy spent many money for you - but also many, many time to fix your software)
8. Good idea will never work out if you make great hardware (LCD, TV set, mobile devices) but very very bugy Firmwares without support.
9. Your devices have GREAT parameters on the paper. But we can not use them on maximum because of many bugs. Please just release your enginers and implement clean android to your phones and believe me, may be I will give you the chance again. But not with touch wiz and bugy GPS **** without support and nor upgrade.
10. If you are not an enginer of Samsung, please forget it or forward it to their "support & development" department. Thanks.
11. and at the end, finaly I was forced to buy another device just for GPS. Because I can not use this phone and believe it like I use to with X1, or TYTN II.
I agree with you on all points..
Except on the point where you say that Samsung is not Apple. Apple can support their old devices because they only have 4 or 5 devices to speak of.. I agree that Samsung forgets old phones, but you can't compare them with a company which has only 4 phones...
but this is the way how a company gets users to stay with them, imagine apple doing all those restrictions they do AND giving a **** on older phones, who do you ti´hing would have bought the iPhone 4?
i guess nobody at all.
regarding Wifi, i think most of us have working wifi on the SG3
FadeFx said:
but this is the way how a company gets users to stay with them, imagine apple doing all those restrictions they do AND giving a **** on older phones, who do you ti´hing would have bought the iPhone 4?
i guess nobody at all.
regarding Wifi, i think most of us have working wifi on the SG3
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Up to date...
so I've got an answer that my email (I've sent to Samsung an email) was forwarded to developers.
Why I was so pissed up ? Because I have a samsung TV set and they realy do not support the old ones. And when community had developed something what helps, in the next release of their update they blocked all possibilities to make the TV set better (new widgets, TV Stream, internet browser in it, etc..),
so this is Samsung.
Nowadays we have european leaked version of 2.2 where GPS is still not working and during a calls you have a "click" (even in JPA).
I do not understand this "support".
The SDK is out, now port it to the TAB!
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/01/android-30-platform-preview-and-updated.html
+1 This would be freaking great!
Sent from Overclocked Galaxy Tab.
It took how long for this request? Lol.
Done we need the source code first?
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mafiaboy01 said:
Done we need the source code first?
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It is possible to do a largely broken version based on the system image in the emulator folder.
TheGrammarFreak said:
It is possible to do a largely broken version based on the system image in the emulator folder.
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there is no system image as this is only a platform PREVIEW!
some people CANT read!
Landroid said:
there is no system image as this is only a platform PREVIEW!
some people CANT read!
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I guess by "some people" you meant yourself
The Preview SDK includes:
An early Android 3.0 system image for use in the Android emulator <------- *********
An Android 3.0 library with non-final APIs
A new WXGA emulator skin for an extra large Android Virtual Device
New documentation for Android 3.0, including a complete API reference, new developer guides, and an API differences report between Android 3.0 and 2.3.
From here : http://developer.android.com/sdk/preview/index.html
CPG
Yeap, there is a system image and I already pulled some apps ^^
Edit: The AVD is extremely slow... meeeh..
could someone at least get the browser working on the tab http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=930352
Source still needs to drop!
Same case with gingerbread. It was **** but ran. Once source dropped the magic began.
The launcher won't run with anything but the standard Xoom resolution
sts_fin said:
The SDK is out, now port it to the TAB!
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/01/android-30-platform-preview-and-updated.html
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SIR!!
YES SIR!!
How about a please? Or wait until there's at least some semi-useful AOSP source available, the SDK build is not complete enough to be very useful. If you need to have a play with it, try using the VM in the SDK install.
From the 3.0 Platform highlights taken 'Android 3.0 is the first version of the platform designed to run on either single or multicore processor architectures.'
So I guess no need to leave the Tab behind !!! So I hope samsung will go ahead and deliver us this update!
Just one small story about Samsung, Tab, and Honeycomb...
About Samsung:
I hope that Samsung will port it for me so. Usually this is not normal in the real world, but Samsung will drop 2.3 for Galaxy S what is nowadays and old device, Galaxy Tab is newer and almost the first real, high quality Android tablet. This is clearly a tablet, what Honeycomb made for. The most sold Android phone is the Galaxy S and the most sold Android tablet the Galaxy Tab (with the totally agreements of problems about Samsung made this device before Google made the correct platform for it...), so nowadays the Samsung brand itself is very very strong and not just about the last years productions but these 2 products (real!)! So I think Samsung could make a 'small suicide' step if they forgot this device and forgot their users. They promised nothing, but could be a very negative echo about Samsung if they leave this device in the past, without any development.
About Honeycomb:
That is really not need hardcore hardware. The only real hw requirement is the strong video performance, but this is almost just for the new stock homescreen application. The lot full OpenGL handled screens and effects really need strong graphic performance, but Galaxy Tab in this case is not weak! For such situations the GFX performane is enought I think. The dual core CPU is just one very good addon, to make faster everything and make the device as one real device from the future, but for normal works the current hardware is enought. If Samsung dont want to overload the Tab then just need to leave out the new 'home'. For tabbed browsing the current RAM capacity is need to be enought. The device will not as fast as Xoom, but who care? Just leave out the needless plus features and give to the user the Honeycomb base with new browser, new gmail client, new settings, etc, etc... these are not power hungry things. One brand new device will better that Tab, but anyway we could use almost enything, and Samsung could make their brand more strong with hype and satisfied users of Tab as they do with Galaxy S.
Conclusions:
New Samsung devices? no problem, they will better, people will buy them, cause the new OLED screen, some new features, faster and harder hardware... but Tab could use Honeycomb as from this aspect it need nothing extra, and as a real tablet it need the OS what handle it in such way without any over glitches.
I hope Samsung will make a right decision, because there is no any real problem (nor technical nor business like) behind it!
Hi,
And please Samsung! Read my previous post!!!
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You are completely true about this Samsung will push out the Tab2 in 16 days at the MWC2011 press event. If the tab is going to get the 3.0 its going to be the last update for the device. Also the Galaxy S is going to get its killing blow in 16days since the Galaxy S 2 is also comming out there.
Yes as you wrote, Samsung will drop the 2 new device to make new strong apperiance in the global market with the new devices, developments, etc... new user will buy them of course, some old user will sell the old products, and buy a new one but far from all. 2.3 for SGS will the latest as your wrote, and I hope that 3.0 will also the latest for SGT, its not bad, this is the only needed. With it Samsung will get strong user satisfactions, old users could boost the global brand loyality. I dont want Android 7.0 on these devices... theses versions is more then enought for this products, and this not sign that I will never buy a new Android device... more over... I will buy just not now (if Samsung leave me alone, I will never buy Samsung 'mobile' again, and this is true for lot of people), and if Samsung will go on this way I will buy one Samsung again... 6 month ago I hate Samsung with their software developments for SGS, now, currently, I like them, because they have enought power on software development to make themself one of the best. There are problems? where not? If Samsung could reach user satisfactions, with the current sw, hw developments they could be the largest company in this busines. The target is it, I think.
Just drop the new devices what will shine, if I were in situatuions to buy a new device, without hesitate I could buy them. There are lot of people in the word who just wait to these products... and there are some others as me, who bought the first device to simply satisfy, and we were those user who make stronger the reputation of Samsung. Is it problem to make me available Honeycomb? Don't thing so. But of course Samsung could use a wrong receipt, hope that will not!
YES I can taste the honeycomb anytime soon...
I found this today:
http://developer.bada.com/events/bada2.0-Power-App-Race?rlWlfcp=duq&isReturn=Y
and I thought that it is a great idea of Samsung to do that because money is of course a huge motivation factor to develop apps.
Contest runs from the 18th of October til the 31st of December.
First 10 developers who develop an App and put it on Samsung Apps will get a chance to win $100000 if their App will be downloaded 100000 times in the above called time-range. The App has to be developed with the bada SDK 2.0 tool (or above).
For further information visit the link above.
So please all of the great devs who are around here please develop great apps for Bada because it is Bada`s biggest problem to have a lack of useful apps but I like Samsung`s approach to this kind of problem, they are really trying to push their OS higher and higher.
I hate the idea of that contest and i announce it from now
We (Team VEA) are not going to enter that challenge because we are not sure if bada users will make 100,000 downloads of Voluntas in that short time
it is contest for games in our eyes not apps
Best Regards
If they wouldn't be sure of this, they wouldn't have set the download numbers so high
There are many millions of Bada handhelds, so I don't think that would be the problem
mylove90 said:
I hate the idea of that contest and i announce it from now
We (Team VEA) are not going to enter that challenge because we are not sure if bada users will make 100,000 downloads of Voluntas in that short time
it is contest for games in our eyes not apps
Best Regards
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if Voluntas works well and will be uploaded gratis on the market I think it'll reach 100'000 download in about 10 days or minus.
However I also don't like this type of contest, the download counter could be increased with some stupid tricks.
polaris office ? XD
uhmmmm
Voip ?
sms free
browser
Voluntas
editor photo, Video
It is also kind of weird that Samsung starts a Bada 2.0 contest when Bada 2.0 isn`t even officially released yet. I mean devs have to test the developed App on the device itself before putting it up on Samsung Apps (or am I wrong here?), so Samsung insists that developers who already start to develop an app do early testing of their app on a Beta Firmware, which isn`t the best thing to do I guess.
I don`t know if this is a smart move from Samsung starting a contest when the main firmware for it isn`t even out yet...