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question on all vogue-android builds

which is the most stable for everyday use right now? also what happened to this tattoo build for us on qvga, i don't see it anywhere?

If you want something truly stable and fast, use the standard Ion build. Other than that, most of the Ion/Cupcake builds are very good for use. Such as the xRom builds or something like that.
The tatoo/hero/pulse/etc. builds are in the works and are not really stable. The ones which are "stable" usually run kind of slow on our hardware. Even though they are definitely cool and look awesome. They aren't really practical for everyday use imo.

TheKartus said:
If you want something truly stable and fast, use the standard Ion build. Other than that, most of the Ion/Cupcake builds are very good for use. Such as the xRom builds or something like that.
The tatoo/hero/pulse/etc. builds are in the works and are not really stable. The ones which are "stable" usually run kind of slow on our hardware. Even though they are definitely cool and look awesome. They aren't really practical for everyday use imo.
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yeah i tried the motorola build and it just stayed in a boot loop i call it. maybe ill wipe my card and try xrom again. i was hoping for this tattoo build because i hear it is native qvga.

fixxxer2008 said:
yeah i tried the motorola build and it just stayed in a boot loop i call it. maybe ill wipe my card and try xrom again. i was hoping for this tattoo build because i hear it is native qvga.
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I'm using the motor build at 240 x 320 & 110 lcd density... very nice. A few hiccups but this looks like my fav build so far. Once you get to homescreen let it settle down for a bit and it works well. Gps, native camera.... need to figure out how to fine-tune this puppy

none of these builds are functional enough for me to use everyday, im soo disappointed. that and now i can't buy the hero until next year because of $$ issues. im stuck with the damn vogue and winmo hell.
edit: i also didn't mean any disrespect to any of the devs on here either, you guys have done a great job. it's just been a bad day for me and i can never get any of these builds to run right on my vogue like some of you do.

fixxxer2008 said:
none of these builds are functional enough for me to use everyday, im soo disappointed. that and now i can't buy the hero until next year because of $$ issues. im stuck with the damn vogue and winmo hell.
edit: i also didn't mean any disrespect to any of the devs on here either, you guys have done a great job. it's just been a bad day for me and i can never get any of these builds to run right on my vogue like some of you do.
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I've been using xROM 1.5 for about 2 months with no issues what so ever. Why is it not functional enough for you to use? Everything works except bluetooth.

fixxxer2008 said:
none of these builds are functional enough for me to use everyday, im soo disappointed. that and now i can't buy the hero until next year because of $$ issues. im stuck with the damn vogue and winmo hell.
edit: i also didn't mean any disrespect to any of the devs on here either, you guys have done a great job. it's just been a bad day for me and i can never get any of these builds to run right on my vogue like some of you do.
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Any of the Ion builds are great for use everyday. All you lack is bluetooth and MMS but Android makes up for that with its other benefits. Ion is perfectly stable and fast.

right now im running zens xrom and it seems to be pretty stable soo far. ill give it a go this weekend.
couple questions.... can we take a screenshot at all yet? also is there a way to remove the clock from the taskbar? i find it stupid to have a clock on the taskbar and then a clock widget on the home screen.

fixxxer2008 said:
right now im running zens xrom and it seems to be pretty stable soo far. ill give it a go this weekend.
couple questions.... can we take a screenshot at all yet? also is there a way to remove the clock from the taskbar? i find it stupid to have a clock on the taskbar and then a clock widget on the home screen.
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yea follow this guide for screenshots. it worked for me. you have to download the sdk and use ddms in the tools akaik, its in the guide http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/10/22/taking-screenshots-on-an-android-based-phone/

jamezelle said:
yea follow this guide for screenshots. it worked for me. you have to download the sdk and use ddms in the tools akaik, its in the guide http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/10/22/taking-screenshots-on-an-android-based-phone/
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wow all of that to take a shot? i know there's an app for rooted users on the market.

fixxxer2008 said:
wow all of that to take a shot? i know there's an app for rooted users on the market.
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We don't have root access though.

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We don't have root access though.
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yeah i know, i was just saying. im shocked no one has tried to make a screenshot app for us vogue users.

fixxxer2008 said:
yeah i know, i was just saying. im shocked no one has tried to make a screenshot app for us vogue users.
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yeah but thats all we have to work with for now

fixxxer2008 said:
none of these builds are functional enough for me to use everyday, im soo disappointed. that and now i can't buy the hero until next year because of $$ issues. im stuck with the damn vogue and winmo hell.
edit: i also didn't mean any disrespect to any of the devs on here either, you guys have done a great job. it's just been a bad day for me and i can never get any of these builds to run right on my vogue like some of you do.
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I would recommend using SPB Mobile shell 3.1 or 3.5 and then adding the Revolution theme. It's a rip off of the Hero UI and SPB Mobile shell is the MOST stable Today plugin that I have used to date.
They made it over in France so use this link to translate for you.
Sence le Revolution

You have root access through su. And to take a pic you can use the debugger in the sdk.
And hero runs sense ui just fine so no need to fake it.

woke up this morning and my data connection went down in xrom. i had to reset the modem. what would cause this? this is one reason ive not been successful in using android for very long.

fixxxer2008 said:
woke up this morning and my data connection went down in xrom. i had to reset the modem. what would cause this? this is one reason ive not been successful in using android for very long.
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edit: i just read users of the real hero are having the same issues with data connection on top of a ton of other major issues. i think ill hold off buying the hero until a fix comes out. sprint cannot afford another failure at this point.

i think you need to just use windows mobile my friend. i've seen you bash and complain about this project enought times even on ppcgeeks. you never provide any usefull info besides what doesnt work. i use nfsfans latest winmo rom it's real nice but not prefect but i dont go creating my own thread just to complain about it

zenulator said:
i think you need to just use windows mobile my friend. i've seen you bash and complain about this project enought times even on ppcgeeks. you never provide any usefull info besides what doesnt work. i use nfsfans latest winmo rom it's real nice but not prefect but i dont go creating my own thread just to complain about it
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i didn't bash any devs on here, im having issues and im posting them, just like everyone else. i like android/hero but in my experience soo far i cannot find a build that is near functional for everyday uses. im going to buy a hero and pray it is more functional but ive been hearing owners say it has alot of issues as well. my vogues on its last leg and i need to upgrade. im running nfsfans rom and while its good, i hate winmo like most of you do.

fixxxer2008 said:
i didn't bash any devs on here, im having issues and im posting them, just like everyone else. i like android/hero but in my experience soo far i cannot find a build that is near functional for everyday uses. im going to buy a hero and pray it is more functional but ive been hearing owners say it has alot of issues as well. my vogues on its last leg and i need to upgrade. im running nfsfans rom and while its good, i hate winmo like most of you do.
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What about the ion build? That's every day usable in my eyes. And I've had problems with Windows mobile locking up and missing calls even on a stock Rom/radio...but to me I see more complaints from you than anyone else. I know things aren't prefect but users of other HTC windows phones would love to be able to run android as well as vogue/kaiser.

so whats next for our hero's?

are we waiting on the official 2.1 to be released to get more fully functioning roms?
do you guys see more apps and themes being made for our cdma heros in the near future?
id love one day to see as many options on the cdma versions as they have for gsm.
any thoughts or input on this guys? what would you like to see?
maybe even the possibility of porting webos or maybe even winmo to our phones? i don't see why not as winmo can port android. it's not on the top of my list but it would be cool to play with.

Dude. You start a lot of threads man lol. But yeah, Android 1.5 was made for GSM, and HTC had to do some crazy wackjob stuff to make it work for CDMA. Android 1.6 started including CDMA support, and Android will continue to support CDMA from 1.6 on out. So basically, once 2.1 comes out officially, I believe we will be in business. You should just chill out a little bit about the whole being bored and what's gonna happen stuff, and just enjoy your device. The HERO is a great phone, and it's only gonna get better!

Leukay said:
Dude. You start a lot of threads man lol. But yeah, Android 1.5 was made for GSM, and HTC had to do some crazy wackjob stuff to make it work for CDMA. Android 1.6 started including CDMA support, and Android will continue to support CDMA from 1.6 on out. So basically, once 2.1 comes out officially, I believe we will be in business. You should just chill out a little bit about the whole being bored and what's gonna happen stuff, and just enjoy your device. The HERO is a great phone, and it's only gonna get better!
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yeah but i like to discuss, hence why we are on a forum.

Haha.. Yeah think it would be kinda cool to have WinMo on our phones, too; although I doubt I would use it for more than a day or two. Our Devs are seriously working hard getting the DEV-ROMs working and they're doing a ****ing great job. I can't wait to see what comes after the official update!!!

So... this might be a stupid question, but exactly what are we looking to see in the 2.1? I don't have any problems with my phone now, a little laggy and short battery life but I plan to get a new battery on payday. So, what is so great that people are actually talking about unrooting to go to the Official 2.1? I wouldn't unroot for anything they could possibly put in there. What if I'm at a friends and need internet and he doesn't have any? I gotta be able to tether. i can always use PDAnet, but its just not the same. And no longer being able to control the CPU, etc. And I love flashing all the new roms that come out and experimenting with the awesome stuff the Devs crank out, so really what is gonna be so awesome about 2.1?

i actually saw a guy on here with a pic of his hero with winmob 7 on his hero...don't know if it was legit or not, but nice to see

ko0pa11 said:
i actually saw a guy on here with a pic of his hero with winmob 7 on his hero...don't know if it was legit or not, but nice to see
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i debunked that this morning. it was a photoshop job. wm7 cannot run on any current device out there let alone an android phone.

smh @ that guy tricking people
still would be pretty cool to see it ported over

lol that was me.. not meant to trick.... but to... inspire...? yeah.
and again.... NO PHOTOSHOP WAS USED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sirstanley said:
So... this might be a stupid question, but exactly what are we looking to see in the 2.1? I don't have any problems with my phone now, a little laggy and short battery life but I plan to get a new battery on payday. So, what is so great that people are actually talking about unrooting to go to the Official 2.1? I wouldn't unroot for anything they could possibly put in there. What if I'm at a friends and need internet and he doesn't have any? I gotta be able to tether. i can always use PDAnet, but its just not the same. And no longer being able to control the CPU, etc. And I love flashing all the new roms that come out and experimenting with the awesome stuff the Devs crank out, so really what is gonna be so awesome about 2.1?
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Because when Sprint releases 2.1, then our devs will be able to take all the amazing-ness from 2.1 and combine it with the amazing-ness of having root access! Until then, we're just using hacks and leaks to get what we can get.

Gregalous said:
Because when Sprint releases 2.1, then our devs will be able to take all the amazing-ness from 2.1 and combine it with the amazing-ness of having root access! Until then, we're just using hacks and leaks to get what we can get.
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And we'll have the actual kernel instead of stuff with backported drivers.

well to me 2.1 was the holy grail until today.
The Dream rom has Flash 10.1, so its my new holy grail.

Oh, I agree totally that it will be awesome when the devs get their hands on all the 2.1 stuff, but what about the people talking about unrooting for the official upgrade? I guess what I'm really asking is...what amazing-ness? What are we waiting for? Will the phone make us breakfast in the morning and grab beer for us once we get 2.1? I'm in here every day like the rest, checking for updates on 2.1 status and waiting impatiently for the release, but again I ask..what am I waiting for? More speed? Less bloatware? Bug fixes? I'm just curious, I know that going from 1.29 to 1.56 fixed the massive lag when going from portrait to landscape and the original MMS issue, etc. But I really didn't notcie a diff in my phone after the upgrade. Seriously, what are we looking for in this new update?

sirstanley said:
Will the phone make us breakfast in the morning and grab beer for us once we get 2.1?
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I'm down for that one

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And we'll have the actual kernel instead of stuff with backported drivers.
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Official .29 kernel or not. I bet once camera is backported most devs will use the modded .27 kernel to optimise their builds until .29 source is released. The main things we will get from the official release is the frameworks, a few and apks to allow for all of Sprints stuff to work. And I've almost managed that already but yeah other advantages of 2.1 are vwp, better frameworks, better opengl, better apps, UIs, and a better os all together. I know ill make sure the build is ready for all the root users on day one. If its not already leaked by then.

let's hope for a HERO200 leak then!
come on single unruly mischevious HTC employee....if you do this, then we promise we won't bother you like we did to get the source code..

Thanks gbhil. Your works have been incredibly appreciated.

http://forum.androidcentral.com/54888-post215.html
Reposted from Android Central (link above):
Guys and Gals -
First off, I had a read through and I'm glad for you all that it looks like you might get a working camera with the 2.1 leak. Congratulations to whomever figured it out.
Now on to the not so good news. This morning I received an email from the developer of a popular market application. It seems that someone has put out a ROM full of stolen software, and associated my name with it, as they took the boot image from one of my ROMS and called it their own. This developer and I have squared things away, so no harm no foul on my end.
It does leave me in a dilemma. Rather than have my name tossed in to a mix like this again, I've decided that I'm finished developing for the Hero. Enjoy the work, I won't take it down, and if I can get Google Earth and Nexus one wallpapers working a bit better (yes I have it loading and running, but it locks the system up after 30 seconds or so) I'll pass that fix to the few people here who have helped out so that they can package it up in any way they like.
The person responsible (and I won't name names - they know who they are, and the work they put out with my name attached isn't hard to find) has really soured me. I have been an open source developer for almost 20 years, and am very happy that the carrier I use for cellular service finally released a (mostly) open source operating system for me to play with. The way I see it this leaves me with two choices:
1. - Stop releasing work that others can use in any way they like
2. - Stop developing altogether for the Hero.
I chose number 2. There is already enough closed development and a "I'm first" mindset. That also goes against everything I believe in, so it's not an option. Bundling my name with software piracy and IP theft is not an option either. I will not let this happen again.
Keep the flames and ignorant comments to yourself please. I've thought about this all day, and this is my decision. I'll always be available to help others in any way I can, but I won't be publishing any more work. Rather then wasting time and energy to tell me how wrong I am, please use that effort to congratulate the individual who has placed me in this position. Sorry, but it is what it is.
Jerry.
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Thanks for all your help and support.

drink water move on...
You can't let one person mess something up for everyone else...That's not right.

please name the rom, that way some of us can boycott that rom..
shouldn't let this one person stop you from doing what you love to do though...
gbhil ..you've done a great job with the kernel + hack ..your work is very respected around here..do not go...

Gbhil didnt mention it. Dont know if he will.

oh damn that sucks im digging your roms i hate to see you go !
id love to know the rom that your talking about
i hope change your mind and stick around

well chances are he will wont be changing his mind any time soon well lets look at the roms there are
flipz-him and cghil have done alot of work together
theres
darch- who gbhil has helped out a bit and he doenst have alot of software on there thats not allowed
Aloysius 1.0 ROM - dont know alot about this rom anyone know about this rom.
[ROM] Souffle 1.2- same as above
and there can be more roms else were but those what i have seen here
not trying to get flamed here but who knows im trying to figure this out like you guys

icm714 said:
well chances are he will wont be changing his mind any time soon well lets look at the roms there are
flipz-him and cghil have done alot of work together
theres
darch- who gbhil has helped out a bit and he doenst have alot of software on there thats not allowed
Aloysius 1.0 ROM - dont know alot about this rom anyone know about this rom.
[ROM] Souffle 1.2- same as above
and there can be more roms else were but those what i have seen here
not trying to get flamed here but who knows im trying to figure this out like you guys
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Don't forget BIKCMP with the Pancake rom, but he seems to be respectable too IMO. I don't think I've seen a rom yet that doesn't incorporate at the least Gbhils custom memory killer kernel.

Thanks for your work!
Aaaaand ill bite my tongue regarding badmouthery. Jerkasses ruin everything !

robchaos said:
Don't forget Pancake. In fact I don't think I've seen a rom yet that doesn't incorporate at the least his custom memory killer kernel.
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yeah they all do but who uses his boot screen is the question so if we can pin point that we can go from there i know flipz has his own, and darch did a custom one any one know gumbos boot screen

yea but most if not all of them are pretty much software free

icm714 said:
well chances are he will wont be changing his mind any time soon well lets look at the roms there are
flipz-him and cghil have done alot of work together
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darch- who gbhil has helped out a bit and he doenst have alot of software on there thats not allowed
Aloysius 1.0 ROM - dont know alot about this rom anyone know about this rom.
[ROM] Souffle 1.2- same as above
and there can be more roms else were but those what i have seen here
not trying to get flamed here but who knows im trying to figure this out like you guys
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don't forget about the pancake rom that's based off of gb's kernel. btw thanks for your hard work, sad to see you go.

Thank you
Well, first lets thank gbhil for his effort, time, and work that he's put into helping us develop.
His guidance has helped almost every project associated with the CDMA Hero.
You will be missed.
That being said, let us not take this as setback. Use it as inspiration to get your own hands dirty. There's no better time than now to learn the trade.
And please, don't go on a witchhunt to attempt to bring this person to "justice." It puts the entire community into a bad light, something that a lot of us don't want.

HEY GBHIL dont leave f00, ur roms rox my sox in a box of rox. i was using flipz old 2.1 rom (before droid eris leak) and then i switched to ur droid eris leak remake or w/e and i was like AMAGADZ its so 1337 and fast. it's almost like the hero isnt a crappy slow 524mhz processor with ur rom. let us know the dev's ip who put the pirated stuff up so we can pwnz his comput0r with 1337 hax0rz

Decad3nce said:
Well, first lets thank gbhil for his effort, time, and work that he's put into helping us develop.
His guidance has helped almost every project associated with the CDMA Hero.
You will be missed.
That being said, let us not take this as setback. Use it as inspiration to get your own hands dirty. There's no better time than now to learn the trade.
And please, don't go on a witchhunt to attempt to bring this person to "justice." It puts the entire community into a bad light, something that a lot of us don't want.
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from what i have learned here ppc and android central i have started tweaking roms to my liking i will soon start to learn how to build a rom of from leaked dumps

He'll def be missed.
Is GDE a paid app?

Aloysius 1.0 ROM comes with GDE, a paid market app........... It uses gbhils kernel
I apperciated your work gbhil, and I understand your postion

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yeah they all do but who uses his boot screen is the question so if we can pin point that we can go from there i know flipz has his own, and darch did a custom one any one know gumbos boot screen
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I think when he says boot image he might mean the actual boot.img of his roms. That has to be modified for his kernel to work in the first place, so everything out there incorporating his work has in some way used it.

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HEY GBHIL dont leave f00, ur roms rox my sox in a box of rox. i was using flipz old 2.1 rom (before droid eris leak) and then i switched to ur droid eris leak remake or w/e and i was like AMAGADZ its so 1337 and fast. it's almost like the hero isnt a crappy slow 524mhz processor with ur rom. let us know the dev's ip who put the pirated stuff up so we can pwnz his comput0r with 1337 hax0rz
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can you speak english please.

I'm speaking the interwebz version of english, thank you very much

Rom Overload?

Is it just me or does it seem like everyone and their mother are posting Roms in the Evo development subforum?
I'm not going to name names or anything, but there seem to be a few teams that work very hard at distinguishing themselves as great releases only to get overtaken by people launching derivatives that are not much more than wallpaper changes of the very same roms?
Many of us can tell the distinction between the two, but I worry about new folks coming in who have no idea. I'm not going to spread FUD, but installing roms from an untrustworthy source is a great way for real problems to be introduced into the security model of the Android platform.
Does anyone else see this as a concern? Are there any solutions we as a group can come up with? Is this really not a big deal?

Yes you are correct
OMG I changed the color of the call [email protected]!!!!! NEW ROM!!!!!
Instead of theme change.
Either go cyanogen (uber premium) or stay rooted stock.
No need for the other bs. They don't do anything.
Now the kernels, I like, keep them going though. But the roms need to stop.

I think people are just making them in a sad attempt to gain free donations for their "efforts" or lack thereof.

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Either go cyanogen (uber premium) or stay rooted stock.
No need for the other bs. They don't do anything.
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so let me get this straight. you're automatically dismissing OMJ's work, Baked Snack, Fresh, Damage Control, etc. just to name a few, simply because they are not cyanogen? better at ease son.
secondly, you can't simply lock down the forum for the "legendary" cooks. what happens if a noobie comes in with a simply stellar rom that gives us 12 years of battery life and the ability to teleport but because he's not Cyanogen, he can't release? that seems a little asinine.
i think people need to be responsible for their own phones. research, do a little leg work, talk with some forum members, make an informed decision and go with it.

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so let me get this straight. you're automatically dismissing OMJ's work, Baked Snack, Fresh, Damage Control, etc. just to name a few, simply because they are not cyanogen? better at ease son.
secondly, you can't simply lock down the forum for the "legendary" cooks. what happens if a noobie comes in with a simply stellar rom that gives us 12 years of battery life and the ability to teleport but because he's not Cyanogen, he can't release? that seems a little asinine.
i think people need to be responsible for their own phones. research, do a little leg work, talk with some forum members, make an informed decision and go with it.
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Nice way of twisting what I said. BTW...
Nice upoad speed dude 44mb

I'm still a relative newb to Android, but I can see how it would be easy to get overloaded with all the ROMs out there. I've bounced back and forth between Fresh, CM6, and rooted stock for a while and I finally got sick of having to set up my phone over and over again (yes, I know about Titanium, but it's not good for certain types of things). Anyway, I finally said f*** it and flashed CM6 again and have left it there. None of them are perfect, but CM6 works the best for me.

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Nice way of twisting what I said. BTW...
Nice upoad speed dude 44mb
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Less twisting then what you think. It's not CM or stay stock. I personally ran CM nightlies and CM6, both times I left them because even with all the fine work he's done there are very large and blatant things I don't think are great about it.
Does that mean it's low end, no, but there are lots of Roms every bit as highend and polished as CM.
Now on the main OP, I agree that we are seeing a flood, but also that there is nothing to do about it in an open community which is pushing people to tweak and express and share. It is what it is, and if they aren't calling out the people who put in the actual time into said Rom and giving them all the praise for the actual work then shame on them.

One way to help new users do research, is if there was a chart comparing the more popular roms... o wait there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746611
pretty unbiased test that compares several features that most people would look for in a rom.

nief1313 said:
One way to help new users do research, is if there was a chart comparing the more popular roms... o wait there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746611
pretty unbiased test that compares several features that most people would look for in a rom.
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Neif, you crack me up whenever I see you pushing your grid. I've been dircting people to the wiki to check it out, but good luck trying to stay on top of all of the new releases. More power to you.
And to bring the thread back on topic - there do seem to be a lot of roms floating around that don't really seem to bring anything new to the table.

People are just posting what works for them. I am glad there are so many ROMs. If you think this is bad, I guess you never had a G1.

This really isnt something I'd be complaining about. Check out SDX forums (Moment support). Theres like one rom still receiving updates. The Hero forum is also losing support. Im more than happy to see people pushing a rom they cooked. It means the kitchens out there are actually getting used for the reason they were made available. Imo thats what open source is all about. If you dont trust it, dont flash it. Its that simple.
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dglowe343 said:
This really isnt something I'd be complaining about. Check out SDX forums (Moment support). Theres like one rom still receiving updates. The Hero forum is also losing support. Im more than happy to see people pushing a rom they cooked. It means the kitchens out there are actually getting used for the reason they were made available. Imo thats what open source is all about. If you dont trust it, dont flash it. Its that simple.
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I also love that the kitchens are being used - I'm dying to try one myself. I don't think its a trust issue though, I think its that some of these roms don't bring anything unique to the table, other than some theming and the removal of some apps.
Sent from my blah blah blah blah

I do wish there was a subforum in the dev forum for roms. Perhaps a sticky's for the top 10 roms based on votes or downloads or some other type of ranking system.

fachadick said:
I also love that the kitchens are being used - I'm dying to try one myself. I don't think its a trust issue though, I think its that some of these roms don't bring anything unique to the table, other than some theming and the removal of some apps.
Sent from my blah blah blah blah
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dsixda's kitchen has pretty much everything you need. I installed Ubuntu in Virtual Machine and have started messing around, but unless you know what to and not to change, there isnt alot you can do to make the rom unique. But its worth doing if you're interested in learning about rom development.
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I've been looking at cooking my own rom but the thing is I would not only give credit where credit is due but also call it what it is.
I may come up with the perfect setup of base rom, kernal, apps, theme and just want to share with people who maybe like me are looking for that specific setup.
Easier to flash a rom with all that baked in then flashing everything individually. As long as someone credits correctly and doesn't try and say they did it all themselves why does it matter if it's documented properly.
Doesn't make it a worthless rom just makes it a colaboration of great work.

N00dle said:
I've been looking at cooking my own rom but the thing is I would not only give credit where credit is due but also call it what it is.
I may come up with the perfect setup of base rom, kernal, apps, theme and just want to share with people who maybe like me are looking for that specific setup.
Easier to flash a rom with all that baked in then flashing everything individually. As long as someone credits correctly and doesn't try and say they did it all themselves why does it matter if it's documented properly.
Doesn't make it a worthless rom just makes it a colaboration of great work.
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Its not a question of worth, simply a question of signal to noise.
I've run DC, Cal's, Netarchy's, Baked, Fresh, CM, Nightlies, and probably ecen a few others...I still think some sort of metric is required.
I'm gonna try thinking of something.

First I think we should be happy the evo has a strong community. We may even lose some with the galaxy s phones coming out.
Next a agree many aren't much of a difference, but for those that don't have time to tweak stuff in the kitchen before installing, it is nice to find exactly what you want.
Finally I'm sorry to sound like an elitist, but this is a hackers forum. There shouldn't be such an expectation of things always being safe and working.
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Its not a question of worth, simply a question of signal to noise.
I've run DC, Cal's, Netarchy's, Baked, Fresh, CM, Nightlies, and probably ecen a few others...I still think some sort of metric is required.
I'm gonna try thinking of something.
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I do agree there are a lot out there and it can be tough for people to tell what is what. I don't think it's a bad thing though, device support is good, it means that hopefully things will be running for a long time to come.

HD2 Android development stall

I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl, we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such. Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues, and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know, but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works, just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead. The roms used to work 100%, but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round. And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing! And I don't mind donating when something is GOOD, when it works and I appreciate the technical work that went in to make it work...not the technical work that went in to make it look pretty, at the expense of some fairy disastrous issues.
Please xda, enough with the benchmark willy waving competition! Please somebody just go back to making things that work rather than pretty...pretty useless...eyecandy!
And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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Peteryoung said:
I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl, we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such. Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues, and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know, but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works, just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead. The roms used to work 100%, but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round. And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing! And I don't mind donating when something is GOOD, when it works and I appreciate the technical work that went in to make it work...not the technical work that went in to make it look pretty, at the expense of some fairy disastrous issues.
Please xda, enough with the benchmark willy waving competition! Please somebody just go back to making things that work rather than pretty...pretty useless...eyecandy!
And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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yes...so why not starting today...make a ROM urself ???

We are all waiting for .35 desire kernel source from HTC?

Peteryoung said:
I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl,
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No, that is because there are less top devs on the device now, Some have moved on to different devices.
Peteryoung said:
we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such.
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Not at all, ist do to with view counts, posts created etc.
Peteryoung said:
Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues,
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What you "need" has nothing to do with it, devs dont work on the roms because they have to, They do it because they WANT to, They work on what they "need" or want to and then share the work.
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and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know,
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Correct.
Peteryoung said:
but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...
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Completely disagree, The work and progress done on the Sense 3 roms is amazing, Sorry you are too ignorant and ungrateful to appreciate that.
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I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works,
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Then go and download one of the older non-sense froyo/GB roms like NexusHD2.
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just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead.
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Well that's your problem, The fact that you are having to do this means that you are CHOOSING to install work in progress builds rather then more developed builds, Its your fault and your problem.
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The roms used to work 100%,
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Err no they didn't, They was developed into a state where they eventually worked and the same will happen to Sense roms.
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but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round.
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Then go download one?!?!
Peteryoung said:
And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing!
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sense Roms where never designed to run on HD2 and that is why they are been developed to do so! If you don't want to be patient or be part of the testing then that's your choice, go and download a simple stock rom!
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And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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Desire base has been ported already and doesn't need more work until the desire gets and update. If you like the desire base so much why don't you just stick to the roms already available? Ill tell you why because you enjoy trying new builds, again that's your decision but you cant then complain just because most of the devs are hard at work on what THEY want to work on rather then what YOU want them to work on!
I personally don't want them to work on anything else apart from the kingdom, why? because its down to personal preference just like yours, at the end of the day its upto each individual dev what they work on!
PS. Please go and learn how to use paragraphs and sentence breaks etc as it just gets on your nerves when trying to read big long blocks like that.

ugh. this crap again? really? another thread dedicated to complaining that xda isn't giving you everything you want yesterday? and what do you expect with this kind of "support" - developers to come running over to you and ask you what you want?
this is exactly, exactly, what pushes people away from here.
really, you should have stopped with "I'm being a whiney little bugger" and just left. really, no one is begging you to stay. you aren't contributing; you are detracting. go on; leave.
@ theatheist - your points (as usual) are right on

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ugh. this crap again? really? another thread dedicated to complaining that xda isn't giving you everything you want yesterday? and what do you expect with this kind of "support" - developers to come running over to you and ask you what you want?
this is exactly, exactly, what pushes people away from here.
really, you should have stopped with "I'm being a whiney little bugger" and just left. really, no one is begging you to stay. you aren't contributing; you are detracting. go on; leave.
@ theatheist - your points (as usual) are right on
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Seconded!
Ignorant people like this OP need banning.

TheATHEiST said:
Seconded!
Ignorant people like this OP need banning.
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Ignorant people, like myself, don't need banning; they need educating - like in your first posting.
I don't tend to go for the latest development, but rather one that works well.
If I want to try out a different version of SD Android, then I read what the chef has posted and all the posts relating to that specific release version. If it states that the camera isn't working yet, then I'll leave it as I use the camera. If it is noted that Bluetooth doesn't connect properly to headset, then I would use it, as I don't Bluetooth.

Playing the devil here:
At some point I can understand Peteryoung and I have seen several other people complain about this as well.
I have the HD2 just to toy around next to my E71 which makes it easy to say that I don't need a +90% working image. If something doesn't work tough ... and I will try another.
It would be nice to have the old trusty working roms like the one from Rafdroid updated to the latest working apps and all of the known fixes in 1 package.
I'm no developer but I am sure some of you could tweak the 'older' sense roms and incorperate all the latest working things. The GPS fixes are a nice example.
I personally applaud the devs in that thread for feedback and just trying to get it to work using feedback and interacting on it.
If the devs are focusing on newer type of roms, so be it and let them do it.
Lets face it, Android is fun on the HD2 but still it is a bit 'playing' around.

A retraction
Guys, I'm sorry
I think I was having a right cranky day when I penned that last grouchy missive.
I stand thoroughly ashamed and rightfully corrected on my last thoughts.
I really do appreciate all the work the devs put in for free here. I really do love the older desire roms and I guess I'm getting old, starting to refuse the changes of the times
I take it all back, I guess I really should stick to what I know best and let the youngsters do what they do best...making NEW stuff, not old.
I must say, I feel a little aggrieved at the sheer vitriol my post gained in response, but hey I guess after I'd battered everybody else with my tirade - that's just what I deserve.
Anyway, I hope the community can find it in their collective hearts to forgive this old sinner - I promise I won't write any more critical tirades on xda any more!
Apologies xda, I love you really xx
Peteryoung
P.S - Was the paragraph structure a little easier on the eye this time round?

Some just are not happy with ****...hey, you don't like it, move on back to WM6.5 where everything works. This is not a native android device so be lucky these developers are spending hours and days and more hours and more days so whiney ass spoiled brats like you can use their work for FREE. Be lucky you can even have ANDROID on the HD2! Another thing is there are plenty of what I consider perfect roms to choose from and many I have donated too.
Your apology is a joke you are still just acting like a *****...man up and get over yourself....

fred_up said:
Ignorant people, like myself, don't need banning; they need educating - like in your first posting.
I don't tend to go for the latest development, but rather one that works well.
If I want to try out a different version of SD Android, then I read what the chef has posted and all the posts relating to that specific release version. If it states that the camera isn't working yet, then I'll leave it as I use the camera. If it is noted that Bluetooth doesn't connect properly to headset, then I would use it, as I don't Bluetooth.
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Exactly
we are at liberty to choose any rom available here irrespective of the development progress
it is fun to flash...Ah, I miss old time when I had to flash ROM 2-3 times a week
Cheers...