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Is the Bravo the Nexus One?

Is it possible that the leaked images of the Bravo were infact not final and the Bravo is actually the Nexus One?
According to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Android_devices
The HTC Bravo (passion in Europe) is set to be released in the US in January (where it could be the Nexus One) and Europe in April.
The specs are almost completely identical (If the "bravo" is not a final model, it's possible the specs had changed by the time the final model was finalised). They look almost identical apart from the Nexus One having touchkeys and the bravo having hardkeys for Home/Menu etc.
It also wouldn't be new for a phone to have different specs in different regions. The HTC Magic in Europe having a 3.2 Megapixel Camera and the T-Mobile Mytouch 3g in the US, The same model, having a 5 Megapixel Camera.
Furthermore the Wikipedia release dates correspond with the Google Store ones.
Nexus one avaliable in the US in January
HTC Passion/Bravo avaliable in Europe in April - This meets the Nexus One's "Spring" Europe release date.

yes the htc passion/bravo is the nexus one. Nexus one is the google name.

Yep, this baby had more names than cats have lives

its just proof its an htc phone lol

No one knows. The "thing" that has snapdragon, android and sense ui has not been announced. We all have to assume it is coming and a lot of us are waiting for this "thing". Is the Bravo it? Not if it's the N1.

same phone except that if yours says Bravo you get everything N1 +Sense

PsychoKilla666 said:
same phone except that if yours says Bravo you get everything N1 +Sense
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Beat me to it.
The Bravo will be to the N1 what the Hero was to the Magic 32a. Bravo will get Sense on top of all of it's Android 2.1. Moot point if you own a N1 because N1's are hardware unlocked (as I was told by a Google employee, the bootloader is locked, but it's easily unlocked by an informed user), that means we can get a Bravo dump and toss it on the N1 with no problem (same hardware). On the other hand, though, the Bravo will possibly come with a release bootloader instead of an engineering bootloader like the N1, so changing it will probably be harder (think Hero). Not saying it's not possible, maybe even the N1 bootloader will work on the Bravo, who knows.

But wasn't the Bravo meant to have 720p HD video recording and Divx playback? The N1 only records in D1 resolution and doesn't support Divx afaik.

Bravo will be a different device. Can't you all tell from the leaked t-mobile brochures that the design is not the same, plus it has an optical method of control vs the trackball.
Here is the Bravo again. Looks completely different: http://ai.rs/2009/12/htc-bravo/
2 possibilities:
1. Nexus One = final name with codename Passion, much like sapphire for htc magic
2. Nexus one is vanila android, Passion is same hardware with sense
Bravo completely different phone with similar hardware specs running sense ui

vas41 said:
Bravo will be a different device. Can't you all tell from the leaked t-mobile brochures that the design is not the same, plus it has an optical method of control vs the trackball.
Here is the Bravo again. Looks completely different: http://ai.rs/2009/12/htc-bravo/
2 possibilities:
1. Nexus One = final name with codename Passion, much like sapphire for htc magic
2. Nexus one is vanila android, Passion is same hardware with sense
Bravo completely different phone with similar hardware specs running sense ui
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Hope you're right. Never liked the trackball. Seems the lack of trackball allows for the Bravo to be slightly shorter too. Another plus for the Bravo are the physical buttons instead of touch buttons that you can accidentaly press when just pressing the screen.

losdrivare said:
Hope you're right. Never liked the trackball. Seems the lack of trackball allows for the Bravo to be slightly shorter too. Another plus for the Bravo are the physical buttons instead of touch buttons that you can accidentaly press when just pressing the screen.
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Actually, the trackball is quite pleasant to use (has great feedback, and also obviously doubles as notification light), much more so than the one on my htc magic. Also, to me those hardware buttons seem a bit of waste, if only they still kept the hardware call/hang up buttons then it would have been more attractive over nexus one.
Bravo will also no doubt come with sense ui. Meaning waiting half a year more for updates after vanila android (if hero is any indication).

does it really matter? you dont need to use the track ball anyway, and it doesnt take up that much space, so its nice to have if you do want to use it at times, AND it also serves as a notification light.
This is an HTC phone, and like almost all HTC phones, trackballs and multiple names come standard.

Optical trackball is great....but can you press it ? It looks flush with the device. No point of a trackball if its not clickable.

its not flush with the device and yes it is pressable.

melterx12 said:
its not flush with the device and yes it is pressable.
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Are you sure it is an optical trackball? I was under the impression it was an optical reader (like at the bottom of laser mice) which would not make it pressable.
I beleive the upcoming legend has this too but correct me if i'm wrong

im sure... seing as how I have the phone in my hands right now. Its not optical its a regular trackball same as the one in the MT3G (slightly smaller)

melterx12 said:
im sure... seing as how I have the phone in my hands right now. Its not optical its a regular trackball same as the one in the MT3G (slightly smaller)
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Sorry, i was referring to the HTC Bravo rather than the Nexus One.

http://ai.rs/2009/12/htc-bravo/
if base on this, its ram is 320mb..
and from the leak slides of HTC bravo, i remember seeing the ram @ 256mb.
Thats the reason why i got the nexus one instead..

There's not much official from HTC on the Bravo but this here is an official htc site with MMS profiles for the Bravo and NexusOne separately.
The main differences is that the Bravo supports codecs like high def H.264 among others that the Nexus does not but it is clear evidence that they are indeed two separate phones (for those who were still uncertain).
http://www.htcmms.com.tw/Android/Common/Bravo/ua-profile.xml
http://www.htcmms.com.tw/Android/Common/NexusOne/ua-profile.xml

Hmmm
I did not know ..
Does anyone know if n1 has FM radio

Legend to Desire

Hey all !
i was wondering about selling my legend and buy the htc desire ?
but i thought the htc desire looked pretty big.. ?
but is this a good replacement ?

The desire has better specs but a little lower build quality.
I'd say over all its a great replacement though
On a side note, how much would you be selling your legend for? I'm looking to grab one if its the canadian version

I'm from Faroe Islands (check google or something if you want to know more about it)
im not sure how i could send it to you from here.. :S

and.. i know that the specs are better on the htc desire, but i was thinking about the size.. for me the htc desire looks pretty big, but am i wrong ?

TheTmac said:
and.. i know that the specs are better on the htc desire, but i was thinking about the size.. for me the htc desire looks pretty big, but am i wrong ?
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The best comparison I could find is here http://www.omio.com/phones/compare/htc_desire+htc_legend
It seems the desire is just a few millimeters bigger length and width wise, so it shouldn't be a problem at all.
How much are you looking at selling it for? As for the islands your at, I'm really not sure how it would work anyways, international mail or something maybe?

kylecore said:
The best comparison I could find is here http://www.omio.com/phones/compare/htc_desire+htc_legend
It seems the desire is just a few millimeters bigger length and width wise, so it shouldn't be a problem at all.
How much are you looking at selling it for? As for the islands your at, I'm really not sure how it would work anyways, international mail or something maybe?
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my mail is [email protected]

Haha I didn't mean your email I meant to send would have to be through international mail

ooh, loool XD

I know this isn't what you asked but...
Have you considered the Nexus One rather than the desire? Same spec but the N1 runs froyo...
On paper the desire/N1 is faster, in reality the gap, as far as I can tell in my research is non existent (although I have heard claims that the legend is much faster due to lower res screen). The legend has less memory however and therefore could run fewer apps at the same time? This has never been a problem for me personally.
Build quality of course is a big change, the N1/Desire feel quite sturdy but the Legend is made of frikkin metal.

TheTmac said:
ooh, loool XD
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just an update, legend should get froyo
BUT
flash 10.1 most likely wont run due to the phones processor, it is not capable of running it, as of now anyways...
however, i'm sure after some time flash may get officially released or the modding community may try and do something about it but thats not something to rely on

desire is actually a reallllly good phone, i say sell the legend and get it!

The legend is hot to look at but like most phones it will get damaged. I had an HTC Hero and using a Desire is great for the bug screen and browsing. That extra half inch has made a good mobile experience great! Gaming wise you probably won't notice a big deal due to the higher resolution. Neocore demo actually was on par and sometimes better than my Desire. The only thing would be the number of apps you could have running at once. Build wise I think the Desire is great, mine is anyway though being machine out of a single block of aluminium certainly gives it a feeling of solidity.
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i actually just found out that you can use the htc evo flash 10.1 on the legend running froyo with a small work around and it apparently works near flawlessly so it should take much for a full unhacked version to become released. if not the hack version will do just fine

I have one question about the Nexus One..
if i want trackball light on it, do i need to take in half, and install a LED to it, or is this already done ? so i only need boot the phone to get custom LEDs ?

TheTmac said:
I have one question about the Nexus One..
if i want trackball light on it, do i need to take in half, and install a LED to it, or is this already done ? so i only need boot the phone to get custom LEDs ?
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not to sure about this, you may want to check out the nexus one forums.
for the price of a nexus one there are many other phones that can and will do a better job.

kylecore said:
not to sure about this, you may want to check out the nexus one forums.
for the price of a nexus one there are many other phones that can and will do a better job.
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like which phones ?

anything without a trackball, my curve 8330 has a trackball and it always gets stuck. go with a trackpad or nothing.
the new evo is nice along the the droid x, also the htc incredible is amazing.
maybe even the samsung galaxy s?
there are tons of phones out there that are equal if not better then the nexus, just do a little research for what you like best
i'm still probably going to grab a legend either way though

Nexus S and Vibrant, basically the same phone?

Looking at the Specs for the new Nexus S, there is nothing revolutionary. Seems like basically the Vibrant just renamed. Minor differences like FFC, and obvoiusly the Google experience with Gingerbread. Yet, hardware wise, the Nexus S looks like to be the same as the current Galaxy S lineup. Can you point out major differences in hardware?
link below
http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/tech-specs

Hey, Senior member, do you think this should be posted in the development section.
Can I be a mod?

s15274n said:
Hey, Senior member, do you think this should be posted in the development section.
Can I be a mod?
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OHHHH woops, I totally didn't mean to post this here, Sorry.
I already notified the mods to move it, that's what I get for not paying attention while typing.

there are actually a few hardware differences that may cause some minor issues with porting. location of micro usb port and headphone jack. might also have a different gps chip in it and then the inand only issue. it will be monumentally easier to port it to our devices than cm6 made for htc devices because processor and gpu wise they are identical.

Moved...
Also my post count is now at 1337 , awesome

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Moved...
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You mean like in l33t? Don't reply, you'll spoil it

kind of same but does have some differences
major selling point for me is 2.3, google, ext4, and more developers but yea that's all software.
But also has FFC, NFC, new antenna and possible new GPS chip, anti fingerprint curved glass, no more chrome bezel
My gripe ...bluetooth 3.0 got down graded to 2.1, external micro SD got removed, video codecs
I understand the codecs but i dont see the need to remove and downgrade hardware
I like its being sold threw local bestbuy because Ill probably end up buying it and if i dont like ill just return it

dbacchus said:
You mean like in l33t? Don't reply, you'll spoil it
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Like 31337, actually: elite; later shortened to '1337, but never typed as l33t.
On topic: I was seriously planning on going to Nexus S, but they removed enough to make it unattractive. I'm (probably foolishly) going to give Sammy a chance to go ahead and get 2.3 on the SGS line. The world knows it's not just possible, but simple to do so.
If not, I have faith that XDA will fill that role whilst I search for a new primary phone mfg.
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demo23019 said:
But also has FFC, NFC, new antenna and possible new GPS chip, anti fingerprint curved glass, no more chrome bezel
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what do you mean it has a new antenna? what type of new antenna.

yeah it's diff.
first thing is NFC
bluetooth etc
not to mention the FFC
the Nexus S is thicker too.

jumaaneface said:
there are actually a few hardware differences that may cause some minor issues with porting. location of micro usb port and headphone jack. might also have a different gps chip in it and then the inand only issue. it will be monumentally easier to port it to our devices than cm6 made for htc devices because processor and gpu wise they are identical.
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If that's true, awesome. But won't the different file formats make it more difficult to port? Isn't the fact that we have RFS the reason why it's so difficult getting AOSP on there in the first place? I'm curious because if it's going to be an easy port to get NS ROMS then there's really no reason for an "upgrade".

I dont believe the nexus s records hd 720p video either...
Nothing on the nexus s wool get me to switch... And if I want a ffc I'd just mod one on....
Vibrant ftmfw

Dougefresh91 said:
If that's true, awesome. But won't the different file formats make it more difficult to port? Isn't the fact that we have RFS the reason why it's so difficult getting AOSP on there in the first place? I'm curious because if it's going to be an easy port to get NS ROMS then there's really no reason for an "upgrade".
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Did anyone confirm what filesystem Samsung implemented for Nexus S?
There are a few differences hardware wise:
- No SD expansion slot
- FFC by default
- LED flash by default
- Menu, Home, Back and Search keys are in different order (I do not get it, why all the different phones even from the same manufacturer have to have different key layout )
- There could be different screen used in markets other than US and UK.
- NFC
The only real benefit of NS over its Galaxy S cousins is the carrier independent software releases/updates it seems.

smashpunks said:
I dont believe the nexus s records hd 720p video either...
Nothing on the nexus s wool get me to switch... And if I want a ffc I'd just mod one on....
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Reports show it does do 720p video. FFC mod is still a fail in my book as it makes the rear camera pretty crappy. And then only a subset of apps support ffc on the vibrant.
I wont switch to ns, BUT I would choose it over vibrant if I had to buy all over again.

fearmonkey said:
Reports show it does do 720p video.
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Its capable of 720p but not out of the box... It does not record @ 1280x720
It will be added later im sure by google or a developer here.
They did it with the nexus one

demo23019 said:
kind of same but does have some differences
major selling point for me is 2.3, google, ext4, and more developers but yea that's all software.
But also has FFC, NFC, new antenna and possible new GPS chip, anti fingerprint curved glass, no more chrome bezel
My gripe ...bluetooth 3.0 got down graded to 2.1, external micro SD got removed, video codecs
I understand the codecs but i dont see the need to remove and downgrade hardware
I like its being sold threw local bestbuy because Ill probably end up buying it and if i dont like ill just return it
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That's all true, the Nexus S is built for developer in mind. Not for consumer daily usage. My dad said the phone does have new GPS hardware. The screen is basically the same, except slight curve on glass, all current SGS phone can be curved during manufacturing. But Google want that design specifically for Nexus S only.
But this time Nexus S actually do have 16GB memory rather than 13GB for storage. 3GB for programs extra.
This is all I know so far. Will be getting the phone anyway cause its newer hardware.
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lqaddict said:
The only real benefit of NS over its Galaxy S cousins is the carrier independent software releases/updates it seems.
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"only real benefit"?
This is a _HUGE_ benefit. Everybody on XDA, in every forum, is constantly waiting for the devs to strip out all the manufacturer garbage, and release something close to stock as soon as google announces a new version.
I am crossing my fingers that the Nexus S is close enough to the Vibrant that within a week or two of the nexus hitting the streets we'll have a pulled vibrant-compatible ROM. If that doesn't happen then the hardware is different enough that devs will still be on the same cycle for the vibrant that we're currently on-- held back by Samsung's ability to crap touchwiz all over a year-old OS.
And then I'll get a Nexus S so I can finally be on a reasonable upgrade cycle for a phone of this speed.

The poll is bad because it's too black and white. Can't vote without feeling like I'm lying.
They are similar enough hardware wise that the Nexus S cannot be considered an Upgrade to Galaxy S phones (not just the Vibrant, any of them). Add in the actual bad points (No SD Card Slot, Downgraded Bluetooth functionality, etc.) and that phone becomes a bit of a joke. Maybe the released specs are an inside joke between Samsung and Google, and they're actually different than we think they are...?
down8 said:
Like 31337, actually: elite; later shortened to '1337, but never typed as l33t.
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Usually only the vowels are replaced with numbers, else the **** becomes unreadable. L33T is readable. 1337 is not. The readability comes from the contrast between the numbers and the letters, as well as the fact that the numbers look similar to the letters. Turning every letter into a number only seems readable to you because you did it, and there are 26 letters - there aren't enough numbers to replace them.
Readable = R34d4bl3
It's called L33TSP34K.

i hope it still has download mode and uses Odin since its pretty much impossible to brick

Its a coin toss really; not a thumbs up or down imho
This is all strictly in my humble opinion based on the fact that I'm a T-Mobile customer, and own a Vibrant. That said, like others here I acknowledge the [subtle(?)] differences between the Galaxy S devices and the Nexus S so I'm onboard with:
NFC
FFC
Camera Flash
Support for T-Mobile's network (for those who care, like me)
Curved Display
The "pure Google experience" and everything that entails
But I don't feel all the new features should be considered 'pros' because they're not features I'm longing for or really desire at the moment:
NFC: Few places in my area support this so I don't see how I'm going to make much use of this initially
Curved Display: I hardly consider this a feature; I don't see/understand how I'm going to benefit. Its not like I'm getting cramps holding my phone.
And as others have voiced, I share the same sentiments that in some ways the Nexus S is a step backwards:
Lacks a microSD slot
Defaults to 480 recording
No HSPA+ (for those it matters to, like me)
Bluetooth downgraded from 3.0 to 2.3 with EDR+
Unfortunately for me, some of these missing feaures are a big deal:
The lack of a microSD slot is nearly a deal breaker.
If the recording is software controlled, why is it nerfed out of the box? Lame. Now we have to rely on some group of devs to figure this out, or wait for Google to release an update to address this issue, if they even consider it an issue.
The lack of HSPA+ is just a disappointment, but at least its a lateral move.
I don't use BT so much these days so I'm not really missing anything, but why not 3.0?
I was hoping for an 'immediate future proof' device. Honestly, I'll have to handle the device to be swayed in either direction. If the lack of Sammy's poorly implemented RFS produces a lag-free experience in general, and there aren't any GPS issues, or really annoying issues in general, that just might be enough for me to jump, but its a tough call right now.
Sources:
http://www.google.com/phone/compare/?phone=nexus-s&phone=t-mobile-mytouch-4g&phone=samsung-vibrant-a-galaxy-s-phone
http://www.google.com/phone/detail/nexus-s
http://www.google.com/nexus/tech-specs.html#!/tech-specs
Multiple: http://www.pcworld.com/search?qt=Nexus+s&s=d
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Desire Z/Vision/G2 - Successor

What do you want to see if HTC bring out a hardware keyboard phone? Also names and any news.
Personal I would want qHD screen, terga 3 CPU, + GPU, 4G, sense/ics 4.0?, better speakers, 1900 mha battery, 16GB on broad memory, 2GB RAM,
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QWERTY keyboard phones are unfortunately out of style nowadays. Moto Droid/Milestone is pretty much the only keyboard phone series with modern specs available at least over here. Samsung Captivate Glide seems intriguing with its dual core CPU and AMOLED display but it's US only.
If you are really looking for Sense, it's unfortunate that there are no rumors or leaks or anything about a HTC QWERTY flagship.

user032 said:
QWERTY keyboard phones are unfortunately out of style nowadays.
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So says you. Although declining, Blackberries still sell and I refuse to buy anything that does not have a physical QWERTY keyboard.

user032 said:
QWERTY keyboard phones are unfortunately out of style nowadays. Moto Droid/Milestone is pretty much the only keyboard phone series with modern specs available at least over here. Samsung Captivate Glide seems intriguing with its dual core CPU and AMOLED display but it's US only.
If you are really looking for Sense, it's unfortunate that there are no rumors or leaks or anything about a HTC QWERTY flagship.
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That's not true. There clearly are people out there eagerly waiting for new QWERTY-phones, otherwise e.g. Sony Ericsson wouldn't sell Xperia pro and Mini pro etc. Nokia has released a few phones with QWERTY keyboard and as you said Motorola has Droids too.
Does anyone know how many Visions has been sold? HTC has always made qwerty-phones, I can't see any reason why they should stop now.

A QWERTY Nexus would be nice - death to Sense. When I owned a Desire Z rooting and going to an AOSP Gingerbread DOUBLED my battery life.
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I would like to see more internal memory, better speakers, a better screen and I would like to see them keep the touch sensitive "trackball" button at the bottom of the phone!

to me, the only thing that matters is to make the soft buttons as hardware buttons, not the irritating touch
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I'd love a 1080p screen, gorilla glass, tegra 3, 64gb internal, ICS of course, 4G, an INSANE camera, and no matter the mah a battery to hold it all together for 14+ hours at heavy use.
But that's just me.
let me not forget to say vanilla android!

mintaeroboy said:
What do you want to see if HTC bring out a hardware keyboard phone? Also names and any news.
Personal I would want qHD screen, terga 3 CPU, + GPU, 4G, sense/ics 4.0?, better speakers, 1900 mha battery, 16GB on broad memory, 2GB RAM,
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4.0" 720p screen, Qualcomm krait + adreno 225, pentaband 3g, AOSP ICS, 2GB ram, 16GB ROM + SD card, 5 row QWERTY with directional keys or D-pad, dedicated camera button, metal back cover with release lever.
hey, I can dream right?

I want an HTC device, built as solid and of as good quality as this one with updated Rezound like features. Not going to happen though, HTC has successfully grabbed a large portion of the market due to their past quality and has since shifted from quality to quantity.

does the HTC Mytouch 4G Slide come 2 mind?

riahc3 said:
So says you. Although declining, Blackberries still sell and I refuse to buy anything that does not have a physical QWERTY keyboard.
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It's not my personal opinion, just look at the current phone market with slates everywhere. For one, I'd love a powerful QWERTY smartphone to replace my current primary phone GSII, which was by the way the first non-keyboard one.
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That's not true. There clearly are people out there eagerly waiting for new QWERTY-phones, otherwise e.g. Sony Ericsson wouldn't sell Xperia pro and Mini pro etc. Nokia has released a few phones with QWERTY keyboard and as you said Motorola has Droids too.
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Aren't most of these are mid-range phones with the exception of Droid?

At least I'm not the only one that feels a bit lonely out here.
Android phones are being pumped out by the dozen, but there are very few QWERTY phones in the mix. I could probably count them all on one hand. Everyone uses either a GSM or CDMA network, so your options are halved right there as well
The only quality phones I have seen maybe worth trading my G2 in for, are the MyTouch 4G Slide and the Samsung Captivate Glide.
But they are still fairly new phones with no CM support yet....
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If that's what you want, then the 4G Slide is your only option. It's one of the only phones that still retains hardware keys.
I actually prefer hardware keys as well. But the 4G Slide wasn't out at the time, and I needed a little more horsepower than the 3G Slide I was carrying...

Damnit! this is just wishful thinking lol! I thought there was some news of the G3/Desire Super Z or something Didn't we already have a wish list thread for the next big HTC qwerty model?
I do wonder about when it will happen. In tech terms, our great Desire Z/G2 is extremely antiquated. It does seem to be taking too long but the same happened with the G1. The only decent option I've seen is the MT4GS and that only a US model. Can't really compare a Samsung model because they are junk compared to their flagship models like the Galaxy line.
Even those... I'm hardly interested in those. Lack of led for battery/notifications, trackpad/ball, and plastic-ish build is too much for me to consider. Plus, even though I'm in the US, the MT4GS have literally 5 pages in the development section and has little dev support. All this is starting to get me worried! I don't think I can hold up much longer without a new phone lol! It's been way too long! I LOVE my G2 still but would love a dual core model with MORE RAM and stuff. Sino8r is getting anxious!
Plus, y'all are forgetting the Samsung Captivate Glide is only on AT&T in the US. That means no 3G. Stupid US carriers and billions of different frequencies.

It will be very interesting to see where all the G2 owners go when they need a new device. But as long as the dev scene is still hot here, I see no real reason to leave just yet. IF the 4G Slide starts to pick up once ICS is released, then I may consider it.
It's remarkable, the prices for that phone have already dropped as well to $250. Waiting for it to get around the $200 mark, and then I'll bite.
BTW, anyone looking for the absolute best value QWERTY phone, you can pick up a brand new 3G Slide from eBay for $140. And if you go through auctions, you can get it for less than that. Astonishing, considering G1 phones are going for just $30 less. Obviously all without contract.
(PS, this is not an advertisement or plug. Just a suggestion)

The droid 4 looks promising. Really love the design and the idea of a back lit keyboard. Just hoping that they will have GSM bands with the phone. Fingers crossed!

ttinjust96 said:
does the HTC Mytouch 4G Slide come 2 mind?
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I was just about to mention that. Remap the Genius button into Search, flash one of undeadk9's "Sense lite" ROMs (posted on RootzWiki), flash unity's overclock kernel, buy an Anker 1900mAh battery or two, and this phone is a BEAST.
Sent via smoke signal.

Maybe we should just make one? Like miui did with the mx
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mintaeroboy said:
Maybe we should just make one? Like miui did with the mx
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Like Geeksphone? That's actually a good idea. Anyone know of anybody who can actually build a GSM cell phone that can work on both T-Mobile and Ma Bell?

blackknightavalon said:
Like Geeksphone? That's actually a good idea. Anyone know of anybody who can actually build a GSM cell phone that can work on both T-Mobile and Ma Bell?
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Nexus One Still Good to this day?

I joined this forum actually to get some android help from ya'll you see well I live in Brazil and my parents in the USA, so I dropped my iPhone 3G (yes 3G not 3GS) and the touch screen cracked, so I would like to know from you guys that have more experience with Android if the Nexus One is a good phone still - compared that I only had a iPhone 3G which is not that great nowadays lol. So like the title of the topic says, is the nexus one still a good phone to this day compared at least to my old phone?
The community is also very active with updating it to the latest android it seems, and besides all I do with my phone is send SMS, read e-books and play Angry Birds and other games of that type, and a better camera would be welcome also.
Thanks

Yes, the Nexus One is an awesome today still, but something that's a tad annoying is the power button. It might start to fail relatively early or just completely die and a replacement costs as much as a used Nexus One.

Rody2k6 said:
I joined this forum actually to get some android help from ya'll you see well I live in Brazil and my parents in the USA, so I dropped my iPhone 3G (yes 3G not 3GS) and the touch screen cracked, so I would like to know from you guys that have more experience with Android if the Nexus One is a good phone still - compared that I only had a iPhone 3G which is not that great nowadays lol. So like the title of the topic says, is the nexus one still a good phone to this day compared at least to my old phone?
The community is also very active with updating it to the latest android it seems, and besides all I do with my phone is send SMS, read e-books and play Angry Birds and other games of that type, and a better camera would be welcome also.
Thanks
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No, the n1 is crap compared to new phones, buy the desire hd much better processor (1.5 ghz), Hd camera's, 1gb internal memory, etc etc.

Theshawty said:
Yes, the Nexus One is an awesome today still, but something that's a tad annoying is the power button. It might start to fail relatively early or just completely die and a replacement costs as much as a used Nexus One.
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I read online that if you root your phone, you can use the trackball to power it on and other methods, does it still apply to the latest version of android that N1 runs?
race55 said:
No, the n1 is crap compared to new phones, buy the desire hd much better processor (1.5 ghz), Hd camera's, 1gb internal memory, etc etc.
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and is not about newer or such it is more about cost and as I am in Brazil, the phones here are expensive and I don't have much to work with anyways, so the N1 is a good and very affordable option and already comes unlock, well I could root the Desire HD but hey, the N1 already comes unblocked lol

Rody2k6 said:
I read online that if you root your phone, you can use the trackball to power it on and other methods, does it still apply to the latest version of android that N1 runs?
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To be able to unlock your screen with either the volume buttons or the trackball itself, you would need to flash a custom ROM.

Theshawty said:
To be able to unlock your screen with either the volume buttons or the trackball itself, you would need to flash a custom ROM.
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That would be where cyanogenmod would come in right?

Rody2k6 said:
That would be where cyanogenmod would come in right?
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You learn fast ^^
I would recommend partitioning your sdcard (512mb-1gb ext4, no swap, no secondary ext) through 4ext recovery and then install this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1416894
First wipe everything three times (just to be sure)
Then install through 4ext

race55 said:
No, the n1 is crap compared to new phones, buy the desire hd much better processor (1.5 ghz), Hd camera's, 1gb internal memory, etc etc.
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I don't know what planet you live on, but it's not the planet called "Reality." I have a SGSII and it has all of these great specs, but quite honestly, it's an inferior phone to the Nexus One. The Galaxy nexus and the Nexus S just blow it away.
There are so many things you can do with native android that you either can't do or are just a plain old pain in the ass compared to my nexus one.
The only things the Galaxy S II has on the N1 are internet speed (only in certain areas), camera and screen size/brightness.
Get the N1 and don't listen to spec hounds. Specs don't mean crap.

Estimated Prophet Hawk said:
I don't know what planet you live on, but it's not the planet called "Reality." I have a SGSII and it has all of these great specs, but quite honestly, it's an inferior phone to the Nexus One. The Galaxy nexus and the Nexus S just blow it away.
There are so many things you can do with native android that you either can't do or are just a plain old pain in the ass compared to my nexus one.
The only things the Galaxy S II has on the N1 are internet speed (only in certain areas), camera and screen size/brightness.
Get the N1 and don't listen to spec hounds. Specs don't mean crap.
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I believe you're the one that needs reality check.
A phone with extremely annoying and non-repairable touchscreen problem, faulty power button construction that makes it vulnerable and prone to failure, lousy sub-par GPU, slow USB transfer speeds, and you're suggesting it over much newer and better ones?
And to the OS argument - plain Android OS, at least till ICS, is crap - and IMHO, ICS adds nothing in exactly those areas that need adding. Any overlay will add LOTS of capabilities to it - be is crappy TouchWiz 3, much better TouchWiz 4 or also much better Sense 3/3.5. I posted enough comparisons of my own that show exactly where and how pure Android or CyanogenMod fall short and can't reach, no matter how you try.
Shortly - for the price of used or new N1, there are MUCH better options today. Sorry to disappoint.
It's not a bad phone, and some of my friends are still using it. Its quirks are livable with, if you don't demand gaming capabilities, and if you don't mind to occasionally turn off/on the screen when everything messes up, especially during navigation. If you already have it, there isn't much pressure to upgrade, if you can live with it. But if you're making your decision today - N1 is a bad decision.
And personally, neither me nor my wife found its quirks to be livable with. I lived with it for a year, because there were no better options at the time. My wife moved to another phone after 3 or 4 months.
If you want a good phone - see what fits your network. Being in Brazil, you probably need 850/1900MHz band phones, and all good MSM8x55 family models (Desire HD, Desire S, Desire Z/G2, MyTouch 4G/HTC Panache) are 900/2100 or 1700/2100 band. If some of those models exist with the bands you need - the suggestion is indeed to move to one of those. It'll be completely another world from Nexus One.

Estimated Prophet Hawk said:
Specs don't mean crap.
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Way to lose all credibility in four words.

There are plenty of phones that came out after the nexus one that are better candidates. As others have said, the nexus one has a few too many hardware flaws that make it really crappy as a daily phone versus being a nice tinkering phone. The buggy digitizer and abysmal internal storage are two things that irritate me daily.
I would recommend checking out the Sony Ericsson Neo. The mytouch 4g is nice too; also known as the htc panache. If your budget is really tight you can look at the LG optimus one or something equivalent. You will still get the Google services with tradeoffs of using manufacturers' skins.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

needmoregigs said:
There are plenty of phones that came out after the nexus one that are better candidates.
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This.
As much as I love my Nexus One (power button and touch screen problems do not affect me that much), I wouldn't buy one now. Other phones with equal or better performance are in the same price range.

Jack_R1 said:
Shortly - for the price of used or new N1, there are MUCH better options today. Sorry to disappoint.
It's not a bad phone, and some of my friends are still using it. Its quirks are livable with, if you don't demand gaming capabilities, and if you don't mind to occasionally turn off/on the screen when everything messes up, especially during navigation. If you already have it, there isn't much pressure to upgrade, if you can live with it. But if you're making your decision today - N1 is a bad decision.
If you want a good phone - see what fits your network. Being in Brazil, you probably need 850/1900MHz band phones, and all good MSM8x55 family models (Desire HD, Desire S, Desire Z/G2, MyTouch 4G/HTC Panache) are 900/2100 or 1700/2100 band. If some of those models exist with the bands you need - the suggestion is indeed to move to one of those. It'll be completely another world from Nexus One.
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My iPhone 3G that I let it fall and crack the touchscreen -.- I mainly used it for sending SMS and calling, reading ebooks, and playing games such as Angry Birds, Jetpack Joyride, so nothing heavy on the phone, hell I barely used the camera since I always had my digital with me when I wanted to take a picture.
And I totally forgot about the BAND stuff, because when I bought my iPhone 3G to Brazil from the USA, I just unlocked it and voila I was using it, so now you got me, and I was reading a topic (not on this forum) about the Galaxy Europa (or Galaxy 5) and there is many differente basebands you can download, so I don't know if specific basebands only apply to Android phones or all phones, and I just got lucky with me iPhone 3G
needmoregigs said:
There are plenty of phones that came out after the nexus one that are better candidates. As others have said, the nexus one has a few too many hardware flaws that make it really crappy as a daily phone versus being a nice tinkering phone. The buggy digitizer and abysmal internal storage are two things that irritate me daily.
I would recommend checking out the Sony Ericsson Neo. The mytouch 4g is nice too; also known as the htc panache. If your budget is really tight you can look at the LG optimus one or something equivalent. You will still get the Google services with tradeoffs of using manufacturers' skins.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App
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Thanks mate, I will check on them, currently on eBay I see Nexus Ones going around for 70-100
mostly are around the 80s, so if I do buy one for 80 bucks is it worth it? The chances of having a headache with the phone are they common?
If there are any other phones in the same range @ eBay 80-100 (max 110) could you guys please help me out
Thanks
EDIT: Internal Storage, but can't you use a microSD card and plug it into the phone and it will extend its memory, or is the SDcard only used for certains items and the internal for other stuff - but isn't there something that lets you choose the partition size?

mighty nexusone
nexusone in question is an HTC phone made carefully for Google for developing android os in its first days and was the best in those days and still it is one of the best ones i believe, you just have to bear crappy start button which in some phones fail to operate and the Sonys freaky super LCD screen seen on late models. in my option super amoled screens are waaay better which can be seen on first models which i believe are better in quality from the newer ones ı used both and the early model which ı still keep as a spare phone is still working with no problems while the late model one which i sold did had problems with screen digitization and start button and comparing two of them ı sold the newer model as ı kept the older one so if you are buying a nexusone it is like lotary you can be lucky or unlucky depending the factory conditions while it is been made if you ask me i would recomend to buy one with amoled screen and buy it by seeing and touching it fizically.. but with the money you may spend on a nexus you can get a samsung galaxy S 16 gb and it will run flawlessly the new versions of android and plenty of memory in it if you are in to games with its 3d engine it will be great for you while you can keep lots of books to read in its huge memory yes it is not good looking as nexusone but it will last longer because it is plastic and drop resistant because of it....coming from iphone you will get use to it quicker since they look similar goodluck

I have been checking the price of nexus one in ebay for the last few days, it seemed that the ones in the 80-100 range mostly have problems while a functional ones will cost you 130-150 at least. I would highly suggest you to get a mytouch 4g instead for around 150.

mahmutmuratdemir said:
nexusone in question is an HTC phone made carefully for Google for developing android os in its first days and was the best in those days and still it is one of the best ones i believe, you just have to bear crappy start button which in some phones fail to operate and the Sonys freaky super LCD screen seen on late models. in my option super amoled screens are waaay better which can be seen on first models which i believe are better in quality from the newer ones ı used both and the early model which ı still keep as a spare phone is still working with no problems while the late model one which i sold did had problems with screen digitization and start button and comparing two of them ı sold the newer model as ı kept the older one so if you are buying a nexusone it is like lotary you can be lucky or unlucky depending the factory conditions while it is been made if you ask me i would recomend to buy one with amoled screen and buy it by seeing and touching it fizically.. but with the money you may spend on a nexus you can get a samsung galaxy S 16 gb and it will run flawlessly the new versions of android and plenty of memory in it if you are in to games with its 3d engine it will be great for you while you can keep lots of books to read in its huge memory yes it is not good looking as nexusone but it will last longer because it is plastic and drop resistant because of it....coming from iphone you will get use to it quicker since they look similar goodluck
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Today I found an AMOLED Nexus One on ebay for sale, and it says it is the T-Mobile one but it is still unlocked to other GSM carriers worldwide right?
The Galaxy S is bit to pricey for my budget at the moment.
neozengar said:
I have been checking the price of nexus one in ebay for the last few days, it seemed that the ones in the 80-100 range mostly have problems while a functional ones will cost you 130-150 at least. I would highly suggest you to get a mytouch 4g instead for around 150.
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MyTouch 4G I have not been able to find one for 150, but seen many 200 and up (way up)

Estimated Prophet Hawk said:
I don't know what planet you live on, but it's not the planet called "Reality." I have a SGSII and it has all of these great specs, but quite honestly, it's an inferior phone to the Nexus One. The Galaxy nexus and the Nexus S just blow it away.
There are so many things you can do with native android that you either can't do or are just a plain old pain in the ass compared to my nexus one.
The only things the Galaxy S II has on the N1 are internet speed (only in certain areas), camera and screen size/brightness.
Get the N1 and don't listen to spec hounds. Specs don't mean crap.
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I did not metion samsung as i know they are crappy. I have both n1 and Desire HD and Desire HD just outpreforms the n1 on every aspect. The n1 is still a good phone, but not a good choice to buy right now.

race55 said:
I did not metion samsung as i know they are crappy. I have both n1 and Desire HD and Desire HD just outpreforms the n1 on every aspect. The n1 is still a good phone, but not a good choice to buy right now.
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Right now it is not the best choice. Definetly you can find better phones around. But we are talking about a smartphone quite old. But I love it, great community even if now the interest on this phone is gradually decreasing.

Sorry. Didn't mean to start a flame. I should have been more respectful in my words.
That said. The Galaxy S II Hercules would be a great phone if it had dev support or native android. Since it doesn't it loses a lot for me.
The Nexus One Desktop Dock is fantastic. There's no bloatware and the phone is pretty fast. Again, it may not have the specs of nearly all phones coming out today, but being a developer phone with native android makes it very competitive with most. When your talking about spending less than $200 for one versus $800 for the super phones of today, to me, it's a no brainer.
I'm using the GSII because it's faster and has a bigger brighter screen, but the bloatware & TouchWiz are just awful. After 48 hours with the phone, I rooted it and found that the choices for ROMs were paltry. I'm running "Dewizzed" and the battery drains in 10 hours.
No matter what the specs are I find these issues very troubling and dang near unacceptable.
I'm saving my sheckles for another Nexus. Either the S or the Galaxy...maybe both.

So is it safe to assume that on a tight budget of 80-100 bucks the best bet would be to buy a Nexus One (since it is already unlocked, and not a bad phone and great community support and hell even made it to use the 2.3.7) Also I would acquire one that was in good condition and with charger batteries and etc
So is my notion above right?