Is it possible that the leaked images of the Bravo were infact not final and the Bravo is actually the Nexus One?
According to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Android_devices
The HTC Bravo (passion in Europe) is set to be released in the US in January (where it could be the Nexus One) and Europe in April.
The specs are almost completely identical (If the "bravo" is not a final model, it's possible the specs had changed by the time the final model was finalised). They look almost identical apart from the Nexus One having touchkeys and the bravo having hardkeys for Home/Menu etc.
It also wouldn't be new for a phone to have different specs in different regions. The HTC Magic in Europe having a 3.2 Megapixel Camera and the T-Mobile Mytouch 3g in the US, The same model, having a 5 Megapixel Camera.
Furthermore the Wikipedia release dates correspond with the Google Store ones.
Nexus one avaliable in the US in January
HTC Passion/Bravo avaliable in Europe in April - This meets the Nexus One's "Spring" Europe release date.
yes the htc passion/bravo is the nexus one. Nexus one is the google name.
Yep, this baby had more names than cats have lives
its just proof its an htc phone lol
No one knows. The "thing" that has snapdragon, android and sense ui has not been announced. We all have to assume it is coming and a lot of us are waiting for this "thing". Is the Bravo it? Not if it's the N1.
same phone except that if yours says Bravo you get everything N1 +Sense
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same phone except that if yours says Bravo you get everything N1 +Sense
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Beat me to it.
The Bravo will be to the N1 what the Hero was to the Magic 32a. Bravo will get Sense on top of all of it's Android 2.1. Moot point if you own a N1 because N1's are hardware unlocked (as I was told by a Google employee, the bootloader is locked, but it's easily unlocked by an informed user), that means we can get a Bravo dump and toss it on the N1 with no problem (same hardware). On the other hand, though, the Bravo will possibly come with a release bootloader instead of an engineering bootloader like the N1, so changing it will probably be harder (think Hero). Not saying it's not possible, maybe even the N1 bootloader will work on the Bravo, who knows.
But wasn't the Bravo meant to have 720p HD video recording and Divx playback? The N1 only records in D1 resolution and doesn't support Divx afaik.
Bravo will be a different device. Can't you all tell from the leaked t-mobile brochures that the design is not the same, plus it has an optical method of control vs the trackball.
Here is the Bravo again. Looks completely different: http://ai.rs/2009/12/htc-bravo/
2 possibilities:
1. Nexus One = final name with codename Passion, much like sapphire for htc magic
2. Nexus one is vanila android, Passion is same hardware with sense
Bravo completely different phone with similar hardware specs running sense ui
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Bravo will be a different device. Can't you all tell from the leaked t-mobile brochures that the design is not the same, plus it has an optical method of control vs the trackball.
Here is the Bravo again. Looks completely different: http://ai.rs/2009/12/htc-bravo/
2 possibilities:
1. Nexus One = final name with codename Passion, much like sapphire for htc magic
2. Nexus one is vanila android, Passion is same hardware with sense
Bravo completely different phone with similar hardware specs running sense ui
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Hope you're right. Never liked the trackball. Seems the lack of trackball allows for the Bravo to be slightly shorter too. Another plus for the Bravo are the physical buttons instead of touch buttons that you can accidentaly press when just pressing the screen.
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Hope you're right. Never liked the trackball. Seems the lack of trackball allows for the Bravo to be slightly shorter too. Another plus for the Bravo are the physical buttons instead of touch buttons that you can accidentaly press when just pressing the screen.
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Actually, the trackball is quite pleasant to use (has great feedback, and also obviously doubles as notification light), much more so than the one on my htc magic. Also, to me those hardware buttons seem a bit of waste, if only they still kept the hardware call/hang up buttons then it would have been more attractive over nexus one.
Bravo will also no doubt come with sense ui. Meaning waiting half a year more for updates after vanila android (if hero is any indication).
does it really matter? you dont need to use the track ball anyway, and it doesnt take up that much space, so its nice to have if you do want to use it at times, AND it also serves as a notification light.
This is an HTC phone, and like almost all HTC phones, trackballs and multiple names come standard.
Optical trackball is great....but can you press it ? It looks flush with the device. No point of a trackball if its not clickable.
its not flush with the device and yes it is pressable.
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its not flush with the device and yes it is pressable.
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Are you sure it is an optical trackball? I was under the impression it was an optical reader (like at the bottom of laser mice) which would not make it pressable.
I beleive the upcoming legend has this too but correct me if i'm wrong
im sure... seing as how I have the phone in my hands right now. Its not optical its a regular trackball same as the one in the MT3G (slightly smaller)
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im sure... seing as how I have the phone in my hands right now. Its not optical its a regular trackball same as the one in the MT3G (slightly smaller)
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Sorry, i was referring to the HTC Bravo rather than the Nexus One.
http://ai.rs/2009/12/htc-bravo/
if base on this, its ram is 320mb..
and from the leak slides of HTC bravo, i remember seeing the ram @ 256mb.
Thats the reason why i got the nexus one instead..
There's not much official from HTC on the Bravo but this here is an official htc site with MMS profiles for the Bravo and NexusOne separately.
The main differences is that the Bravo supports codecs like high def H.264 among others that the Nexus does not but it is clear evidence that they are indeed two separate phones (for those who were still uncertain).
http://www.htcmms.com.tw/Android/Common/Bravo/ua-profile.xml
http://www.htcmms.com.tw/Android/Common/NexusOne/ua-profile.xml
Hmmm
I did not know ..
Does anyone know if n1 has FM radio
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I think i'd probably swap my Nexus One for one of THESE!
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I might want to, but probably only for the Sense UI. Which is going to end up in a firmware. Which then I will revert back to the stock or a CM...
Damn buying a product and then literally a day later (for me) a more interesting version coming out...
Beautiful Phone! But what is the difference other than the optical stick and Sense to slow it down?
Eh, I don't see anything special.
Sense UI - Personally, I'm not a fan. All Sense UI means is having to wait MUCH longer for Android updates; MONTHS longer such as past phones have had to wait. If you want Sense, someone will copy it to the N1 within a few days anyway. Why is Sense UI stock a plus? More like a downside really.
N1 looks better than the Desire imo. N1 has style. Desire is a rectangular brick.
No DivX/Xvid support? Bleh. That was also something I was hoping would happen (so that we could get it hacked onto the N1 .
The only positive I see is the hard buttons, since soft buttons on the N1 are kind of wonky. The optical trackpad is also > trackball, but then you miss out on the glowing notifications (which will eventually be hacked to be all sorts of awesome). 64 MB more ram is nice too.
Not impressed.
hmmm didn't know it had more RAM (576MB)
Hope the FM radio code can be run on the N1
Pretty phones as usual! Can't wait for the HTC Sense UI to be ripped!
The Bravo also has HD video recording.
Anyone know if this is a hardware or software feature of the Bravo?
Could this be ported to the Nexus also?
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hmmm didn't know it had more RAM (576MB)
Hope the FM radio code can be run on the N1
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yes i am looking forward to the FM radio being ported over to N1..
I really hope that it is possible!
Why would they ugly up the bottom and combine two butons on one side but not the other side? There's no symmatry, also, jay leno called he wants his chin back.
I would like to know about the hd video recording too
Cyanogen said he was salivating over this one compared to the N1; I asked him why on Twitter, no response. It's the same phone, except it has Sense and a new button. What's the big deal?
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Cyanogen said he was salivating over this one compared to the N1; I asked him why on Twitter, no response. It's the same phone, except it has Sense and a new button. What's the big deal?
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There was a response. Two of them actually:
http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/9145769367
@Tampsh capacitive buttons and sdcard slot being blocked by the battery.
http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/9143286191
@PaulOBrien i like the hardware keys on it. the capacitive buttons on the N1 are a bit of a fail
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I like the capacity buttons actually, plus I prefer the stock android to the sense interface.
I don't think the HTC Bravo/Desire has the noise cancellation feature.
Correct, the Desire doesn't have the noise cancellation, Sense UI also means months between updates when the Nexus will get theres first since it's Google's phone. Also that horrible chin is back, even though the touch buttons are weird on the Nexus One you get used to them and prefer them more then the hardware. Also the Sense UI slows down your phone and the HD playback is the software not hardware so Nexus will also get that. Trackball color notfication > optical ball.
And most importantly..THE NEXUS ONE IS GOOGLE'S PHONE, not some random phone by HTC which won't be as popular as the Nexus or be supported as long as the Nexus.
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And most importantly..THE NEXUS ONE IS GOOGLE'S PHONE, not some random phone by HTC which won't be as popular as the Nexus or be supported as long as the Nexus.
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Incorrect.
A) Google is not marketing / advertising the Nexus One... AT ALL, because they're afraid to step on manufacturer's toes. So the Nexus One will never ever reach popularity.
B) The Desire will be released in Europe AND Asia, which has a hell of a lot more potential customers than the US.
I wish A) wasn't true, but oh well. Sadly, the Nexus One will stay a "sleeper" hit and never much more than that.
Not quite sure what is so appealing about that. It looks damn hideous to me.
Alright.. my two cents...
1) it'd be great if the momory card was hot-swappable, but it's not. The nexi boots so quick though it honestly doesn't matter to me. Besides its harder for someone to take if you were ever in that situation where your phone was at risk (i.e. a bar or party or something)
2) the capacitive buttons give the nexus one a futuristic look. The hardware buttons make the phone look already less attractive. The capacitive buttons on the nexi are a little sketch at times, but seriously you have to be picky or something to not like them. Find the sweet spots of the buttons (up a little) and you're a happy camper.
3) noise cancellation is amazing on the nexus. I get compliments on how crystal clear my voice is all the time.
4) its butt fuggin ugly.
5) Sense UI sucks. I had it on my HTC Magic and all it did was bloat it up and slow it down.
And come on...the name is lame too! Nothing beats Nexus One. How fugging bad ass does that sound seriously. And we get Google AND HTC support, and its just amazing...
NEXUS ONE FTW!!!!
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Alright.. my two cents...
1) it'd be great if the momory card was hot-swappable, but it's not. The nexi boots so quick though it honestly doesn't matter to me. Besides its harder for someone to take if you were ever in that situation where your phone was at risk (i.e. a bar or party or something)
2) the capacitive buttons give the nexus one a futuristic look. The hardware buttons make the phone look already less attractive. The capacitive buttons on the nexi are a little sketch at times, but seriously you have to be picky or something to not like them. Find the sweet spots of the buttons (up a little) and you're a happy camper.
3) noise cancellation is amazing on the nexus. I get compliments on how crystal clear my voice is all the time.
4) its butt fuggin ugly.
5) Sense UI sucks. I had it on my HTC Magic and all it did was bloat it up and slow it down.
And come on...the name is lame too! Nothing beats Nexus One. How fugging bad ass does that sound seriously. And we get Google AND HTC support, and its just amazing...
NEXUS ONE FTW!!!!
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Agree 100%
Oh and we have a coloured trackball and a secksay design.
There's a lot of discussion regarding HTC Desire and Nexus One. We get so many arguments. For me, what matters is the hardware. A lot of us, including cyanogen, predict that the two will share ROMs.
I know other factors, like price, matter. If you want to discuss those, please start another thread. This discussion is limited to HTC Desire's and Nexus One's *hardware*. Let's discuss here the specs, buttons, aesthetics, etc.
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Hardware differences that we established so far (HTC Desire vs. Nexus One):
Physical buttons vs. Capacitive buttons
Optical Trackpad vs. Trackball
576 MB RAM vs. 512 MB RAM
No noise-canceling mic vs. W/ noise-canceling mic
Chin vs. No Chin
135 grams w/ battery vs. 130 g w/ battery
(H x W x D) 119 x 60 x 11.9 mm vs. 119 mm x 59.8 mm x 11.5 mm
non-engrave-able back vs. engrave-able back
no docking pins vs. w/ docking pins
Wireless Band Differences
Aesthetic Differences
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And it's true! The battle is just hardware because the Desire ROM runs on the Nexus One. We may even be experiencing all the Desire's software goodness before the Desire hits the stores
Only hard buttons , desire is confirmed not to have hd record it is now like nexus one
The main differences I can see between the two phone are:
Nexus one have 2 mics, while the desire only have one.
Nexus one have touch buttom, while desire have physical key.
sense ui or not...
i think that's the only differences i can see...
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There's a lot of discussion regarding HTC Desire and Nexus One. We get so many arguments. For me, what matters is the hardware. A lot of us, including cyanogen, predict that the two will share ROMs.
I know other factors, like price, matter. If you want to discuss those, please start another thread. This discussion is limited to HTC Desire's and Nexus One's *hardware*. Let's discuss here the specs, buttons, aesthetics, etc.
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Lets hope they share ROMs!
It does seem hardware wise they are the same.
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The main differences I can see between the two phone are:
Nexus one have 2 mics, while the desire only have one.
Nexus one have touch buttom, while desire have physical key.
sense ui or not...
i think that's the only differences i can see...
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And Desire has 64 bit more RAM and has FM radio. I think, that's pretty much it, plus aesthetics, which is a personal preference issue.
What else do you think?
Nexus has docking pins at the bottom whereas the Desire doesn't.
stuff
and 64mb of extra RAM on the Desire.
there is no voice search on the Desire (but i guess thats software)
Desire has FM radio
Nexus has a engrave-able back (which is awesome).
nexus one looks nicer
the touch buttons arent a problem on the nexus. (they're designed so that u touch them with your whole thumb not just the nail part)
AND THATS PRETTY MUCH IT!!
also whats the deal with everyone upsesing about sense UI? i mean android stock can also add live widgets and **** like twitter facbeook and flickr.and now that the nexus has mulitouch, the obvious choice is the nexus!
and no im not being biased, i currently have a Nokia N95 8GB, but love reading about new tech
Nexus One has an FM radio chip, it might be capable of working with a software tweak.
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Nexus One has an FM radio chip, it might be capable of working with a software tweak.
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You're right! http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/nexus-one-teardown-reveals-possible-802-11n-radio-and-fm-transmi/
Okay so FM, apparently, is a software thing. But wait.. endgadget says FM *transmitter*. How about receiver?
It's compatible with AT&T 3G from what I read at Modaco
If I'm not mistaken, don't both phones have the same (576mb) amount of ram?
NVM. I thought I saw the N1 had 576 somewhere, but Google officially states 512.
to my eye, the physical design of the nexus one looks smaller and sleeker. i like the sense ui better though in terms of color and navigation although both could be improved and could learn a few tricks from each other.
why does the nexus one have a white status bar for example? im glad our custom themes can fix this, but it should come black from the factory.
i like the overall look of the htc desire, that utilitarian look and feel. i also wish the nexus had a optical track pad instead of the ball. that ball just never felt solid to me.
i dont like the look of chrome though, but i guess its okay since it only on one part of the desire.
fm transmitter is useless without the proper drivers. who knows when well get those. or make them?
It's right. The battle is just hardware. The Desire ROM runs on Nexus One http://android.modaco.com/content/g...sire-rom-on-the-nexus-one-my-findings-so-far/
Isnt it possible that a different split could change the data partition enough to fit the rom on the nexus
anyone pulled flash 10.1 from it yet ?
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Okay so FM, apparently, is a software thing. But wait.. endgadget says FM *transmitter*. How about receiver?
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According to the article, the N1's Broadcom chip also has FM transmit & receive capabilities.
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Of interest is a Broadcom chip labeled Broadcom BCM4329EKUBG. Why? Well, the BCM4329 (albeit, without the "EKUBG" qualifier) is capable of 802.11n (HTC only lists 802.11b/g) WiFi in addition to FM transmitter and receiver.
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Well I found the main differrence is regarding to those keypad.Well the memory is also considerable..As per my thoughts I prefer Nexus one..All latest features.Well All of those functionality and software are work so nicely with android..Please share your thoughts for it.Thank you so much in advance for your support and suggestions...
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I'm under the impression its either "ready" for 10.1 or else currently has an older version. I don't remember which but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have flash 10.1 which a couple weeks ago adobe said still needed a lot of work. Hopefully I'm wrong but that's software so I apologize
Also, desire has more ram but will it also not use it properly like tithe nexus? After having a g1 and mytouch 3g I was super pumped about all of the n1's ram but it doesnt even use it...
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I'm under the impression its either "ready" for 10.1 or else currently has an older version. I don't remember which but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have flash 10.1 which a couple weeks ago adobe said still needed a lot of work. Hopefully I'm wrong but that's software so I apologize
Also, desire has more ram but will it also not use it properly like tithe nexus? After having a g1 and mytouch 3g I was super pumped about all of the n1's ram but it doesnt even use it...
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There is currently a RAM hack that allows rooted N1 users to use more of their RAM - I also believe there is a 10mb RAM hack for G1 users to allow them to use 10 more mbs of RAM, but in turn lowers 3D processing.
If you've been reading around, you'd know that on the Desire ROM for the N1 that Flash 10.1 is working perfectly.
How about the screen? I know one major complaint by some about the nexus is the fact that it's only "dual-touch" compatible. Does the Desire use the same screen?
Is it just me or are new Android launches exciting even though we already have N1's?
HTC Droid Incredible Available for Pre-Order: Early Reviews Positive
http://www.pcworld.com/article/1944...able_for_preorder_early_reviews_positive.html
Daniel Ionescu
Verizon's second flagship Droid smartphone, the HTC Incredible, is now available for pre-orders, on a two-year contract for $200. Verizon says the first deliveries should arrive on April 29, if ordered online before 4 p.m. local time by April 28.
The HTC Incredible combines Verizon's network with the latest Google Android release (2.1) wrapped in HTC's Sense UI. The phone runs on a fast 1GHz processor, has a huge 3.7-inch capacitive display and features an 8-megapixel camera on the back. It also comes with 8GB of internal storage, upgradeable up to 32GB via MicroSD cards. No wonder the early reviewers love it.
My PC World colleague Ginny Mies says the HTC Droid Incredible lives up to its name. She found the new smartphone speedy and thinks the display is gorgeous. Mies also liked the HTC Sense UI used on the Droid Incredible (as in not the same interface of the Nexus One), especially the Leap feature, which is an elegant way of handling multitasking and the Friend Stream, a social network aggregator.
Engadget's Joshua Topolsky thinks the Droid Incredible is the "the best Android device that you can purchase in America right now." He claims it is better than the Motorola Droid or the Google Nexus One. Topolsky also found the interface of the HTC Incredible speedy, and the 8-megapixel camera on board can take "stunning photos -- particularly in daylight settings."
Gizmodo's Matt Buchanan also recommends the HTC Incredible as the must-buy smartphone on Verizon. He notes the Incredible is fast indeed, and that the Sense UI is an improvement over the standard Android interface. The camera on the Droid Incredible is rated decent by Buchanan, though he mentions that the phone itself can feel a little cheap and too plasticky.
Boy Genius' review of the HTC Incredible is also favorable, calling the smartphone his "favorite Android device to date." He thumbs up the corporate integration, the social networking elements in the Sense UI and the Web browser. Boy Genius also makes a fair point when he reminds us that due to the use of the HTC Sense UI in the Droid Incredible, Android updates will take longer to trickle down to the device than for Nexus One users.
Over at IntoMobile, Will Park also gives the HTC Droid Incredible a glowing review. He mentions the feature set is "one of the most impressive of any smartphone currently available today," and highlights the fact that due to Verizon's network technology, you can't use voice and data at the same time.
When it arrives starting April 29, the HTC Droid Incredible will have to battle it out with the Nexus One, which is also slated to arrive on Verizon around the same time. Fans of hardware keyboard might want to keep hold on their Motorola Droid for now, as so far there are no new Verizon Android phones with a physical keyboard expected. And if you are up for 4G Android goodness, you can always wait for the Sprint HTC Evo.
- PC World: HTC Droid Incredible Lives Up to Its Name
- Engadget: Droid Incredible review
- Boy Genius Report: Droid Incredible review
- IntoMobile: Review: Verizon’s HTC Droid Incredible
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The basics are of course a Nexus One with an 8MP camera and Sense pre-installed.
I'm jealous that reports are saying that the soft button weirdness is no more on the Incredible (Engadget), and scrolling around is much smoother. I'm wondering, do you think HTC made a new version of Sense for the Incredible? It's hard to say since you can't look up the version number of Sense on your phone.
Also, 1 year contract is $230 which isn't too bad. And the plans are expensive as hell of course, but my company has a 19% Verizon discount. The only thing I'm worried about is the re-sellability of a CDMA phone. With an unlocked Google phone, re-selling is easy as pie. But can you re-sell a locked CDMA Verizon phone?
Anyway, I'm excited about the Incredible. The more Androids out there, the better! The Droid army is growing, and quickly.
And I can't wait to see what they do with the ad campaign. I'm sad there weren't any Nexus One television ads. So yeah, who's ready to see some badass commercials? DROOOOOOOOOOOOOID
I had the opportunity to play with an Incredible this weekend. I have a friend that is testing it for two weeks. (I am a Nexus One owner)
Here are my thoughts:
1) It is the Nexus One only square.
2) The change in hard button placement SUCKS! The back button is in an odd location.
3) There was no speed increase that I could see in Sense UI
4) If you like Sense UI, buy this phone. If you don't need Sense UI there is no reason to own this.
5) 8MP camera...WOW...There is clear photos, crystal clear photos and then there is an 8MP camera photo. Seriously, I could photograph a wedding with this thing.
The phone was nice. The hard buttons were a real problem for placement. They responded the same as the N1 buttons, no change there that I could tell. The colors of the phone were great and it ran nicely. I was told by the tester the battery is not terrible, but not quite what she expected it to be.
After playing with it for a while if you Love Sense UI or would ever need to photograph the left toe of a bee flying 20 ft away from you, but the Incredible.
It actually is a great phone, but all things considered, I still prefer my N1
Engadget said the Incredible is the best android phone out in America right now, but why?
The 8 megapixel camera? 5 megapixel is more than enough for point and shoot pictures, I mean, the picture gets resized anyway when mms is done converting it. I just don't really see any point in having a high megapixel camera on a cell phone, unless you are really going to print out some posters.
The internal storage is nice, if it will store apps automatically.
And sense ui, well we've been having it for a while now.....
It's probably just me, but I still think they (nexus one, desire, incredible) are the same phone.
What erks, me is they say that it has a better screen scrolling smoothness than the nexus one...but how? It's using the same hardware different software, but essentially the same thing. Can software really make it that much better? Especially knowing how much resources sense uses? I never even thought of my nexus as not scrolling smooth at all, I didn't know it was an issue
Over on Android Central they did an overview of multitouch on the Incredible and showed it didn't have any of the same problems the Nexus has. Dont they use the same screen? Wouldn't that mean that the issues on the Nexus are software?
Here is an AndroidCentral video showing the Multitouch Test on the Incredible and on the Nexus One.. I guess one can assume that the screen hardware on the Incredible is different from N1. If I recall correctly, the Android developers had said that the N1 Multitouch issue was was related to the N1 screen hardware.
EDIT: I guess the poster above beat me to the punch while I was getting the video link.
nexous one
Ya the only thing I'm mad about is i paid around $600 dollars for this n1 and don't get me wrong this phone rocks and i have never had any problems at all no touch screen problems our anything but ya the incredible is coming out and is only $199 after rebate in store and eveyone can get it for that cheap after i paid so much for my phone and its better.
I just don't want a CDMA phone
the contact price is way more then tmobile and i would like sprint instead
I would love the 8mp camera because i own alpha auto detailing in Chico CA and i like taking pics of my cars before and after with my phone and not have to have a camera
http://www.alphaautodetailing.com/
To me that touchscreen becomes a software issue is a good thing. That means we can hope for improvments there instead of just being an is what it is deal were it hardware. The incredible is a great phone and sense is a real value added. Were I married to verizon I would choose it over the N1.
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Is it just me or are new Android launches exciting even though we already have N1's?
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Anyway, I'm excited about the Incredible. The more Androids out there, the better! The Droid army is growing, and quickly.
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Agreed. This is good news, even if it's just another way for open source solutions to move ahead of greedy corporate models. But the Incredible really does look like a nice phone - which is even better.
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The 8 megapixel camera? 5 megapixel is more than enough for point and shoot pictures, I mean, the picture gets resized anyway when mms is done converting it. I just don't really see any point in having a high megapixel camera on a cell phone, unless you are really going to print out some posters.
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Agree with this, too, sort of. Until optics get a lot better, the difference between 5 or 8 mega-pixels really won't matter one iota. However, there is something to be said for the HTC camera software, which by most accounts is a vast improvement over the N1's "pinky".
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I just don't want a CDMA phone
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I'm in the same boat... I was hoping that the "surprise" about the Incredible was going to be that it was a CDMA & GSM WorldPhone like the Verizon Imagio... I was seriously considering switching from AT&T to Verizon, but this might be a show stopper for me as I use my GSM phone when I travel. I was already bothered by the inability of Verizon's CDMA network to support simultaneous voice and data. I also believe that the Incredible won't be able to support docking stations as it lacks the charging contacts at the bottom.
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Here is an AndroidCentral video showing the Multitouch Test on the Incredible and on the Nexus One.. I guess one can assume that the screen hardware on the Incredible is different from N1. If I recall correctly, the Android developers had said that the N1 Multitouch issue was was related to the N1 screen hardware.
EDIT: I guess the poster above beat me to the punch while I was getting the video link.
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don't listen to that guy from android central. Most of the times he jumps to conclusion without thinking too much.
Unless, incredible goes through a tear down, we cannot say that the screen is different. I do remember Cynogen mentioning that there are settings in kernel that solves the multitouch tracking issue. Droid has them enabled... so most likely Incredible also.
In anycase... incredible is a good phone. Extra RAM and ROM and better Camera, does make this phone better than N1.... how much better... well it depends on how much these 3 things matter to you personally.
having used a few HTC phones... I don't trust HTC for support. They launch new devices left, right and center and start ignoring a device within a year. N1 is google's responsibility. They have to support it for a longer time. Just wait till FroYo launches.. you will get my point.
All I'm waiting to see is one, if the Incredible has a newer version of the Sense UI, and two, assuming that it does, when shall we have a mod for use N1 users.
Honestly, I really won't try the Sense UI until BT works on it as I really don't want to get a "distracted driving" ticket; however, the issues Android already has with BT irks me.
Though like the touchscreen issues, the BT issues are kernel related, so I guess we'll just have to wait until FroYo or perhaps an incremental release between Eclair and FroYo.
I've read the Incredible is using a different touchscreen than the nexus/desire.
FYI the lastest cyanogem 5.0.6 has the softkeys much for accurate.
muncheese said:
FYI the lastest cyanogem 5.0.6 has the softkeys much for accurate.
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How is that possible? I thought it was a hardware thing (physical sensors moved up a bit).
No idea, but switching from sense to cyanogen I've stopped worrying about hitting the "line right above the button".
arkavat said:
Extra RAM
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According to Verizon's webpage, it has the same amount, 512mb.
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I've read the Incredible is using a different touchscreen than the nexus/desire.
FYI the lastest cyanogem 5.0.6 has the softkeys much for accurate.
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I guess the Incredible screen is better
http://androidandme.com/2010/04/news/htc-incredible-and-evo-4g-to-feature-new-maxtouch-sensors/
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Here is an AndroidCentral video showing the Multitouch Test on the Incredible and on the Nexus One..
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Wow, just saw the video.
The difference is incredible!
/ba-dum-tish!
Seriously though, wow. The difference is night and day. It definitely isn't the same screen then, as I really really doubt that's just a software tweak.
Paul22000 said:
Wow, just saw the video.
The difference is incredible!
/ba-dum-tish!
Seriously though, wow. The difference is night and day. It definitely isn't the same screen then, as I really really doubt that's just a software tweak.
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Have we heard otherwise though? I'm thinking a hardware teardown is what will prove yea or nay in regards to the same screen as the N1.
TurboTsi said:
I guess the Incredible screen is better
http://androidandme.com/2010/04/news/htc-incredible-and-evo-4g-to-feature-new-maxtouch-sensors/
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Ah ok, just read this.
We might have overreacted when using the word broken to refer to the Nexus One’s multitouch performance, but that post helped us learn the true culprit of the issue. When we took a closer look at HTC’s touch sensors used in their Android phones, we discovered they were using the Synaptics ClearPad 2000.
It turned out there was nothing wrong with the ClearPad sensor. It was working as advertised and was never meant to track the multiple touches that we were expecting. Google is likely to improve the multitouch performance with future software updates, but the Nexus One (and other HTC phones) will always be limited in what they can do with the Synaptics hardware.
HTC must have anticipated Google’s move to a more multitouch friendly Android because new reports suggest the handset maker has upgraded their touch sensors in two upcoming models. Various sources are now reporting that HTC is using the Atmel maXTouch family of touchscreen controllers in the upcoming Droid Incredible and EVO 4G.
The Atmel maXTouch sensors (mxt224) offer superior performance and low power consumption. These new sensors recognize an unlimited number of touches, offer faster response times, and have an excellent signal-to-noise ratio.
Atmel has produced a quick promo video to demonstrate the power of their maXTouch series. A complete series of videos is available on the Atmel site for additional details.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8weBw6M9HHY
Looks like it is indeed a different screen.
N1 uses Synaptics ClearPad 2000
Incredible (and Evo) use Atmel maXTouch
Man, I'm jealous of the Incredible now.
[Edit]: And wow, that promo video is pretty ridiculous lol
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Ah ok, just read this.
We might have overreacted when using the word broken to refer to the Nexus One’s multitouch performance, but that post helped us learn the true culprit of the issue. When we took a closer look at HTC’s touch sensors used in their Android phones, we discovered they were using the Synaptics ClearPad 2000.
It turned out there was nothing wrong with the ClearPad sensor. It was working as advertised and was never meant to track the multiple touches that we were expecting. Google is likely to improve the multitouch performance with future software updates, but the Nexus One (and other HTC phones) will always be limited in what they can do with the Synaptics hardware.
HTC must have anticipated Google’s move to a more multitouch friendly Android because new reports suggest the handset maker has upgraded their touch sensors in two upcoming models. Various sources are now reporting that HTC is using the Atmel maXTouch family of touchscreen controllers in the upcoming Droid Incredible and EVO 4G.
The Atmel maXTouch sensors (mxt224) offer superior performance and low power consumption. These new sensors recognize an unlimited number of touches, offer faster response times, and have an excellent signal-to-noise ratio.
Atmel has produced a quick promo video to demonstrate the power of their maXTouch series. A complete series of videos is available on the Atmel site for additional details.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8weBw6M9HHY
Looks like it is indeed a different screen.
N1 uses Synaptics ClearPad 2000
Incredible (and Evo) use Atmel maXTouch
Man, I'm jealous of the Incredible now.
[Edit]: And wow, that promo video is pretty ridiculous lol
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Man ain't that a bummer for us N1 owners.
Though having multi-touch is useful more while browsing and such; I really don't play games on my device minus the occasional dabbling with NESoid, and even then I use the trackball and volume up/down buttons.
Hey all !
i was wondering about selling my legend and buy the htc desire ?
but i thought the htc desire looked pretty big.. ?
but is this a good replacement ?
The desire has better specs but a little lower build quality.
I'd say over all its a great replacement though
On a side note, how much would you be selling your legend for? I'm looking to grab one if its the canadian version
I'm from Faroe Islands (check google or something if you want to know more about it)
im not sure how i could send it to you from here.. :S
and.. i know that the specs are better on the htc desire, but i was thinking about the size.. for me the htc desire looks pretty big, but am i wrong ?
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and.. i know that the specs are better on the htc desire, but i was thinking about the size.. for me the htc desire looks pretty big, but am i wrong ?
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The best comparison I could find is here http://www.omio.com/phones/compare/htc_desire+htc_legend
It seems the desire is just a few millimeters bigger length and width wise, so it shouldn't be a problem at all.
How much are you looking at selling it for? As for the islands your at, I'm really not sure how it would work anyways, international mail or something maybe?
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The best comparison I could find is here http://www.omio.com/phones/compare/htc_desire+htc_legend
It seems the desire is just a few millimeters bigger length and width wise, so it shouldn't be a problem at all.
How much are you looking at selling it for? As for the islands your at, I'm really not sure how it would work anyways, international mail or something maybe?
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my mail is [email protected]
Haha I didn't mean your email I meant to send would have to be through international mail
ooh, loool XD
I know this isn't what you asked but...
Have you considered the Nexus One rather than the desire? Same spec but the N1 runs froyo...
On paper the desire/N1 is faster, in reality the gap, as far as I can tell in my research is non existent (although I have heard claims that the legend is much faster due to lower res screen). The legend has less memory however and therefore could run fewer apps at the same time? This has never been a problem for me personally.
Build quality of course is a big change, the N1/Desire feel quite sturdy but the Legend is made of frikkin metal.
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ooh, loool XD
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just an update, legend should get froyo
BUT
flash 10.1 most likely wont run due to the phones processor, it is not capable of running it, as of now anyways...
however, i'm sure after some time flash may get officially released or the modding community may try and do something about it but thats not something to rely on
desire is actually a reallllly good phone, i say sell the legend and get it!
The legend is hot to look at but like most phones it will get damaged. I had an HTC Hero and using a Desire is great for the bug screen and browsing. That extra half inch has made a good mobile experience great! Gaming wise you probably won't notice a big deal due to the higher resolution. Neocore demo actually was on par and sometimes better than my Desire. The only thing would be the number of apps you could have running at once. Build wise I think the Desire is great, mine is anyway though being machine out of a single block of aluminium certainly gives it a feeling of solidity.
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i actually just found out that you can use the htc evo flash 10.1 on the legend running froyo with a small work around and it apparently works near flawlessly so it should take much for a full unhacked version to become released. if not the hack version will do just fine
I have one question about the Nexus One..
if i want trackball light on it, do i need to take in half, and install a LED to it, or is this already done ? so i only need boot the phone to get custom LEDs ?
TheTmac said:
I have one question about the Nexus One..
if i want trackball light on it, do i need to take in half, and install a LED to it, or is this already done ? so i only need boot the phone to get custom LEDs ?
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not to sure about this, you may want to check out the nexus one forums.
for the price of a nexus one there are many other phones that can and will do a better job.
kylecore said:
not to sure about this, you may want to check out the nexus one forums.
for the price of a nexus one there are many other phones that can and will do a better job.
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like which phones ?
anything without a trackball, my curve 8330 has a trackball and it always gets stuck. go with a trackpad or nothing.
the new evo is nice along the the droid x, also the htc incredible is amazing.
maybe even the samsung galaxy s?
there are tons of phones out there that are equal if not better then the nexus, just do a little research for what you like best
i'm still probably going to grab a legend either way though
Should i buy a Htc DesireZ / G2 or wait for a phone with qwerty kbd and dual core like Snapdragon/Tegra2 ?
Is it really worth to buy a G2, or phones like i mentioned will take time to appear in the market ?
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It depends on what you currently have, but the g2 is a good pick if you're coming from a much older device.
Up to you really. I personally just upgraded to the DZ/G2 and it's looking and feeling great. A HUGE upgrade from my previous HTC Hero with a faster CPU and RAM and all that junk.
If you really did want to wait tho, I do believe that the newer dual core/Tegra2 phones are set to be released later this year (summer/fall) so if you can hold out till then, you can pick up one of the newer ones.
Alot of people are saying the DZ/G2 is "dated" but it really isn't. It's able to keep up with my brothers DHD once it was overclocked to 1GHz and easily surpassed his stock DHD once I tried over 1GHz on the clock speed.
If you're not that finicky about hardware, the DZ/G2 is a solid choice. Easily be able to last you 2 years before the really good quad core/tegra4 phones get released
EDIT: Here's a partial list of upcoming phones with Android: http://www.611connect.com/blog/merben-upcoming-android-smartphones-2011
Regards.
I have a Touch Pro2, and want a native Android handset with qwerty kbd and fast performance.
I also want hi-res (800*480) and at least a 3.5" screen, which provides good readability without zooming and lots of content on-screen.
And the Z/G2 is the only phone that suits my prefs right now...
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Coming from the Touch Pro 2 (like I did), and get the DZ/G2, you will wonder why you even questioned the purchase. Its so far ahead of your old WM phone, its going to knock you on your rear in terms of speed, smoothness, and stability. The DZ is the best phone around with a hardware keyboard.
Doesn't seem like there will be a better HTC phone with keyboard coming out anytime soon. And I'd only buy a phone like this (with keyboard) from HTC. The other manufacturers just can't seem to get hardware keyboards right. And this is all assuming your local carrier (or phones compatible with your carrier) will be released on a timely basis.
Obviously, the treadmill of technology guarantees that something better is always on the way. But if you go 6 months or even a year without regretting your purchase (wishing you had waited), you've done just great. And my instinct is that this will be the case.
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Doesn't seem like there will be a better HTC phone with keyboard coming out anytime soon. And I'd only buy a phone like this (with keyboard) from HTC.....
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I reckon Redpoint has hit the nail on the head here. Considering the 2year gap between the G1 -> G2, i'd be v-suprised if there was a worthy successor (from HTC) within the next 9 months or so.
So it depends on how long you are willing to make do with your current handset.
I'm in a similar situation, my only concern is that I buy the DZ and then a HTC Merge variant becomes available in Europe (3.8" screen, no trackpad)
That's right, new model replaces old one usually in a year time basis...
HTC DESIRE Z is an excellent choice, and you won't regret it.
This claim comes from someone who changed this year only following devices:
- PALM PRE
- HTC HD2
- SAMSUNG B7330 OMNIA PRO
- SAMSUNG WAVE
- SAMSUNG GALAXY S
- and now last two months HTC DESIRE Z...
@ gerryr what do you have against opt.trackpad?
It is very useful when moving cursor in any text entry related app...
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I'm in a similar situation, my only concern is that I buy the DZ and then a HTC Merge variant becomes available in Europe (3.8" screen, no trackpad)
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You're holding out for a tenth of an inch screen size difference? And as already mentioned, the trackpad can be very handy for moving the cursor accurately between text characters.
It would seem very odd for HTC to make a Euro GSM variant of the Merge, basically making it back into a Desire Z (as the specs are almost exactly the same between the DZ and the Merge), which is already widely available in Europe. But who knows, cell phone companies do weird/unexpected things all the time.
I only remember using the optical track on the desire a handful of times, really don't think it's needed.
I take your point though, doubtful they'll release it in Europe given the similarities of the rest of the spec
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I only remember using the optical track on the desire a handful of times, really don't think it's needed.
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I hear ya. Many people on here have mentioned that they find the trackpad useless. But for me, I find it useful, particularly correcting text in SMS or email. I can't place the cursor with single character precision using the touchscreen.
Its also nice if you switch to CM7, or otherwise mod the phone for trackpad button wake. I press the trackpad to wake just about every
time I use my phone now.
You mean there are people that actually DONT use trackpad to wake their device but instead reach for the top right corner?
Trackpad wake for the win.. I'd go nuts if I had to use the actual power button all the time =[
I have checked and can't find out where the setting is to make the trackball work like the power button, can you help me? Oh and I run CM7RC2
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I have checked and can't find out where the setting is to make the trackball work like the power button, can you help me? Oh and I run CM7RC2
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Not sure if it works for CM7, but here's a link you can try
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/trackpad-wake-for-your-htc-desire-z/
I have a G2 and its a terrific phone. The trackpad is basically only my power button since text selection in gingerbread is... well there actually is text selection.
If your phone isn't on fire though I would suggest waiting because there is going to be a wave of dual core awesome coming out this summer so you might as well wait for the next train instead of jumping on the one leaving the station.
I have a myTouch 4G and even though dual cores are around the corner I won't regret this buy. G2 and MT4G's are so quick as it is, I don't really need a dual core. Apps open in an instant and multi tasking is as quick as can be. I say if you just need a new phone now because you can't handle your old slow phone then go ahead and upgrade. The G2 is a very solid phone.
Only hold out for a dual core if you plan on doing some heavy gaming with high graphics. But other than that, go grab a G2.
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I have checked and can't find out where the setting is to make the trackball work like the power button, can you help me? Oh and I run CM7RC2
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Settings>CyanogenMod settings>Input, and you will see an option for Trackpad wake under "Buttons".
If you want trackpad unlock (not just wake) you can go to Settings>CyanogenMod settings>Lockscreen>Unlock options. But this seems like an easy way to accidentally unlock your phone while in your pocket.
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If your phone isn't on fire though I would suggest waiting because there is going to be a wave of dual core awesome coming out this summer so you might as well wait for the next train instead of jumping on the one leaving the station.
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Dualcore phones are coming out, but OP was specific about a hardware keyboard. Nothing like that has been announced from HTC yet, so it will likely be some time (has HTCeven announced any dual core phones yet?). So I'm betting it will be at least fall, if not later, before a HTC phone with a comparable form factor to the Vision (but dual core) is released. And frankly for the most part, I don't care about any other manufacturers besides HTC. They always tend to have some combination of cheap housings, poor developer support, and crappy keyboards.
Why wait troll. You could die tonight for all we know. Enjoy the now. Get your G2 and become a Vatican assassin like us. Do the right thing pal. We're watching you
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