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I see a lot of threads about Android.
I've never tried converting or even seen it in action but have a question.
How is Android better than Windows Mobile Professional?
Also how is it worse?
Or is it just different?
All I can say is 'try it to believe it.'
I can talk about it on and on, but you are not going to realize what you can get until you try it.
sshark said:
All I can say is 'try it to believe it.'
I can talk about it on and on, but you are not going to realize what you can get until you try it.
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second that. easy enough to dump on your sdcard without even touching your current winmo setup, so try it out and see.
jimt007 said:
I see a lot of threads about Android.
I've never tried converting or even seen it in action but have a question.
How is Android better than Windows Mobile Professional?
Also how is it worse?
Or is it just different?
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Its just better. Really.
Main thing for me, besides that its totally better, is that its finger based. No more silly stylus....
+1.
I just recently went all the way back to the stock sprint 6.1 rom just to see if I could ever live like that again. After spending an hour or so gathering cabs and tweaking everything just to get it to a comfortable state, I realized that all of the things I was trying to do are pretty much already done in even the most basic android builds.
It does come down to preference I suppose, but for me, just signing into my account upon booting android beats digging around for a WMMarketplace cab on a crippled IE browser, cumbersome setups for things like Windows Live, setting up and scheduling active sync, installing replacements for almost every default part of WM.
I really did love windows mobile for a long time. It's certainly one of -if not- the most customizable platforms. If you don't necessarily like how something works in WM, chances are you can do something about it. But that can take time. I was never really that interested in scripting out one of those huge uc files way back when.
The way everything works so well together in android without getting in your way is fantastic, but stop reading this and just trying it!
If you want to get your feet wet:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58383/android.exe
A self-extracting zip file I made to get a friend running Android. It's a all-in-one Haret of zenulator's 1.6 Donut. Just extract the Android folder it contains to your Secure Digital card, then run Haret.exe in Windows Mobile File Explorer. Then hit Run.
For porting contacts from WinMobile to Android, check this:
http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299
You know what? I'm going to quote myself, from another thread:
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Personally, I like Android better than Windows Mobile because:
1. It's significantly faster for me
2. There's more freedom in terms of tweaking it
3. I think it has a MUCH better notification system than WinMo
4. I like the integration with GMail (better than WinMo's Exchange support) and other Google services
5. It has an app market!
These are pretty self explanatory, but I just love the notification system of Android. I was pleasantly surprised to see a weather alert appear in my notification bar after I downloaded the Weather.com app the other day. Everything appears there - including your appointments on your Google Calendar, texts, e-mails - everything. I think it's just great how it's all unified.
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jnadke said:
If you want to get your feet wet:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58383/android.exe
A self-extracting zip file I made to get a friend running Android. It's a all-in-one Haret of zenulator's 1.6 Donut. Just extract the Android folder it contains to your Secure Digital card, then run Haret.exe in Windows Mobile File Explorer. Then hit Run.
For porting contacts from WinMobile to Android, check this:
http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299
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Thanks.
I installed it without any problems. Nice looking. Very clean interface.
But.... EVERY program that I tried, opened but had no way to back out. I had to soft reset each time. I tried 3 or 4 different things, and nothing let me go back to the main menu. Phone hard keys didn't do what they are supposed to do. After all it is a phone, the hard keys make it easy to call and hang up.
I guess I'm not patient enough to continue to experiment so I just deleted the file and am back to using Windows Mobile Pro 6.1.
jimt007 said:
Thanks.
I installed it without any problems. Nice looking. Very clean interface.
But.... EVERY program that I tried, opened but had no way to back out. I had to soft reset each time. I tried 3 or 4 different things, and nothing let me go back to the main menu. Phone hard keys didn't do what they are supposed to do. After all it is a phone, the hard keys make it easy to call and hang up.
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Power Button = Menu Button
Camera Button = Back Button
Hang-Up Button (long press) = Silence, Airplane, Shutdown
Those should work on every Vogue.
cybik said:
Power Button = Menu Button
Camera Button = Back Button
Hang-Up Button (long press) = Silence, Airplane, Shutdown
Those should work on every Vogue.
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I'd like to give a friend the package above, but he is on a Touch Pro. Would this be good for him to try? or is there something else better?
TheKartus said:
Main thing for me, besides that its totally better, is that its finger based. No more silly stylus....
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lol..huh? I have used Windows Mobile forever and cannot remember the last time I used the stylus...in fact, the only time I use it, is to reset the phone through the little hole.
jimt007 said:
Thanks.
I installed it without any problems. Nice looking. Very clean interface.
But.... EVERY program that I tried, opened but had no way to back out. I had to soft reset each time. I tried 3 or 4 different things, and nothing let me go back to the main menu. Phone hard keys didn't do what they are supposed to do. After all it is a phone, the hard keys make it easy to call and hang up.
I guess I'm not patient enough to continue to experiment so I just deleted the file and am back to using Windows Mobile Pro 6.1.
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Well..........after reading some of the replies I reinstalled Android.
Not to belabor the point but I still don't like it as much as Windows Mobile Pro 6.1.
I would be losing to many things I'm very pleased with for a change to a different operating system.
It's back off again, I'm staying with Windows Mobile Pro 6.1.
If I ever want Android I'll buy an Android phone.
I agree with you about Android, it's not something I would use, but that's just me.
I wouldn't go back to 6.1 though, I'll stay with 6.5.x, it's a lot more finger friendly. The UI graphics on Android is decade behind everybody else. I would need a microscope to see what's on there. That's why HTC developed its own UI. Knowing Google, they probably can make up that decade in a week, but for now its Winmo.
PS you might want to try one of the port/build with SenseUI.
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I agree with you about Android, it's not something I would use, but that's just me.
I wouldn't go back to 6.1 though, I'll stay with 6.5.x, it's a lot more finger friendly. The UI graphics on Android is decade behind everybody else. I would need a microscope to see what's on there. That's why HTC developed its own UI. Knowing Google, they probably can make up that decade in a week, but for now its Winmo.
PS you might want to try one of the port/build with SenseUI.
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To each their own I suppose - but it really sounds like your config is off or you're using some odd build if you "need a microscope to see what's on there".
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To each their own I suppose - but it really sounds like your config is off or you're using some odd build if you "need a microscope to see what's on there".
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I would love to be able to increase the font size on Android. I've play around with both 120 and 160 and different resolutions, but unable to increase the font size to something usable. Any help would be appreciated. I've been scouring the net reading up on Android and trying different builds (last one was eclair 2.0.1) because I was offered the Droid for Xmas. After all the readings and research, I turn down the offer in favor of the trusty old Vogue (being made by Motorola is another reason; every Motorola phones I got, I had to open them up and super glued everything down).
I do appreciate some pointers on increasing the font/widgets size on these test builds.
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lol..huh? I have used Windows Mobile forever and cannot remember the last time I used the stylus...in fact, the only time I use it, is to reset the phone through the little hole.
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I often got annoyed with certain apps I put in, certain games, or menus and just brought out the stylus.
Well, one thing you always have to keep in mind running Android on the Vogue, is that it is not native to the Vogue. So, there is always going to be little imperfections. I was so impressed by Android on the Vogue, that I bought a G1. So now I run WM6.5 on the Vogue, and Cyanogen's ROMs on my G1. I really will never go back to WM. The only reason I use it now is because I have a contract with Verizon that somebody else pay for. If you really want to be blown away by Android, go to a store and play with a native Android phone. I find content is way more accessible for Android. For an OS that has been out for a very small fraction of the time that WM has been out, it's incredible. Lol, I'm rambling now, point is, try a native Android phone if the Vogue port doesn't suit you. Don't give up on it too easily.
Hello
I am using NFSFAN latest rom on my vogue.Have not tried any android as yet.Honestly,I have not followed it atall.So I am a complete noob to android platform.
So can anybody point me where I can get all the guidanceThanks.
Wow! I don’t mean to sound patronizing but I am genuinely impressed by the quality of responses to this question. Someone actually dared to ask a question about comparing WM vs. Android and there wasn’t any of the typical flame war style responses. Thanks guys! Just one more reason why I like the XDA forums.
I have been looking for a clear and concise answer (or partial answer) on this exact topic myself. I was hoping to get a quantifiable “here’s why I like Android” or “here’s why I like WM” response and I finally found something in this discussion.
I find that a certain anti-Microsoft sentiment often clouds these discussions to the point where they are not useful.
I have been using WM for *years* and develop applications for it. I am also supporting over 50+ Windows Mobile-based devices in the enterprise (warehouse & sales force automation apps). So when people come out and say stuff like “WM is slow, bloated and buggy” I find it an unhelpful response. I just have to chalk their comments up to anti-Microsoft sentiment that is so popular these days.
From this discussion I have a partial conclusion. It seems that the main difference between WM and Android are from a “user experience” perspective. Both of them seem to be reliable robust platforms from an OS perspective. The problem is that the WM interface is dated and heavily stylus oriented. Microsoft’s response to this is to make things “bigger” but not to radically rethink the user interface.
Windows Mobile in its present form bears an uncanny resemblance to Pocket PC 2002. This was designed to compete (and win) against the then popular PalmOS.
Android represents a complete rethink from a user interface perspective. On top of that companies like HTC add their own stuff like SenseUI (on Android) and TouchFLO (on WM) that change the user experience some more. So sometimes that makes the discussion more about the phone manufacturer (HTC vs. Samsung for example) then about the platform itself.
Microsoft is in a tough spot with WM right now. There is a huge install base of mobile business apps running on industrialized PDA’s (stuff like the MC75, MC55, Intermec CN50, etc, etc). The Purolator guys use WM for proof-of-delivery. These types of apps are often custom developed, expensive and have long life cycles. They are not sexy but they get work done.
Radically rethinking the WM user interface would likely break a lot of these types of applications. Everyone knows when switching to Android that their existing WM apps will not run. But everyone expects their existing WM apps from 1998 to run unmodified on the latest version of WM (and surprisingly they often do).
So how does Microsoft keep WM dominant in the business sector while at the same time making it “exciting and sexy” in the rapidly changing consumer marketplace?
Tough spot indeed. I wonder what they will do. I do love the competition from Android (and iPhone) and expect to see cool stuff from WM in the future. I just hope it doesn’t break too many of my 10+ year old apps ;-)
Regards,
The Fish
I have ordered a HD2, should come in a couple days.
The "Sense UI" that HTC has layered above the regular WM 6.5 UI, is supposed to be "easier to use".
I believe I have read somewhere though, that it is possible to turn off the Sense UI, and just use the normal WM interface.
I am a long time WM user, having used PPCs and phones using WM 2003, WM5, and WM 6.1. I have preferred Today Screen applets, know how I like to configure WM, etc. So for me, I don't think the Sense UI would be "easier", but something new I would have to learn how to use, while I am already very familiar with the WM interface.
For those readers who were very used to WM before getting the HD2, how many have stuck with the Sense UI, and how many have set it to only use WM? Reasons for your choice?
Does the "Sense UI" have any benefits besides supposedly being "easier", eye candy, and the like? If so, what are they?
Any disadvantages to Sense? I assume it is using additional memory, so that would leave less memory available to apps, correct? Is it more prone to crashes, etc.?
Also, on looking at an HD2 in the store, there are many icons for things I have no interest in--a Blockbuster app, etc. With WinMo, I know how to remove programs, remove items from the start menu, etc. Is it easy to remove stuff like that from the Sense UI? How?
In general, I would like to hear from experienced WinMo users, who got the HD2, what they consider to be advantages and disadvantages of using "Sense UI", and how many have kept it, and how many have reverted to WinMo?
Thanks for your input.
Personally, I am quite likeing Sense. I come from a long line of both WM Professional and Standard devices, so I know and have used more than likely 5 different UI's in my time, and Sense is laregly indeed the easiest to use. I really liked Titanium....until I used Sense on the HD2.
If you have used TouchFLO in the past, then you have used Sense...and I can tell you, don't let the horrible sluggishness of TF make you instantly hate on Sense...I for one am converted. I HATED TF. Slow, buggy, hard to use TouchFLO. Sense fixes pretty much everything that sucked about TF.
Sense is actually VERY customizable. I personally use CoOkie's Home Tab 1.8.5(?) and it lets you customize nearly every part of the Sense experience. You can change the colors of items, the location, how many quick links, the clock style, the buttons on the ribbon...basically anything.
The links you mentioned(Blockbuster etc) can indeed be changed just by tapping and holding. You can make basically anything on your device a quick link on the homescreen through CHT.
As far as memory is concerned, the HD2 has an ample supply of RAM, usually around 280MB free upon boot, and disabling Sense doesn't really gain you all that much. If 476MB of RAM is not enough...well then something is wrong. As far as processing power is concerned, I do not really see a gain nor loss between Titanium/Today/Sense.
All in all, if you want to use Today plugins, then use the standard Today screen. If you want a UI that is a little easier to use one handed, then use Titanium or Sense.
Thanks for the reply, Ashasaur.
I have never used TouchFlo nor Titanium, but only regular WM. Therefore, comparisons with those other UIs mean nothing to me.
I would only like to know what advantages or disadvantages Sense UI might have compared to the regular WM 6.5 interface. (As I wrote, the latter would not be new to me, having used many WM devices, including 6.1.)
How does Sense make it easier to use the phone one-handed?
In the following thread, a user complains of many crashes with Sense:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=740367
Are many users experiencing that?
By the way, if I decide to revert to the WM interface, without Sense, how do I do that?
Ah, I see that I mis-read your OP. The main disadvantage that Sense has I suppose is expanability. You had mentioned about using Today screen plugins, and under Sense this is simply not possible, as it is also not possible under Titanium. They both use a different type of plugin. Plugins do indeed exist for Sense, but what those are and what kinds that exist I am not sure of.
To revert back to Sense is as easy, and more or less the same process as switching to the normal UI. Simply goto Start->Settings->Today->Items and uncheck "HTC Sense", then check "Windows Default" in order to use the regular WM Today screen. Simply reverse the process to go back to Sense.
As far as crashes are concerned, I won't lie...I have had several, but most have been from me doing something stupid. As far as Sense crashing on it's own, so far I have not had that happen.
In my opinion Sense makes one handed operation easier because it aggragates all your basic Today screen functions onto the ribbon. It's kind of hard to explain, but you can scroll through the entire ribbon within less than an inch of moving your finger. So basically, from the "home" tab of Sense, you could literally scroll your finger 3/8 of an inch and be at the "mail" tab to check email, then back 1/4 of an inch to "messages" to check SMS. It really is something that you need to experience for yourself in order to understand. Over scrolling will happen at first, but as you use the device you will learn just how far to scroll to get to just the right tab.
ashasaur said:
To revert back to Sense is as easy, and more or less the same process as switching to the normal UI. Simply goto Start->Settings->Today->Items and uncheck "HTC Sense", then check "Windows Default" in order to use the regular WM Today screen. Simply reverse the process to go back to Sense.
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Now that I have my HD2, I don't see how this is possible.
Because--I don't see any Today listing in Settings on the HD2. (I know of that Today screen setting from the regular Windows Mobile settings. But Sense has its own settings, and does not include anything about Today Screens.
How can I get to that setting?????
You are right, Sense has it's own settings...which is the wrong place to look heh. You have to go through the way I listed. Start->SETTINGS(not Manilla Settings)->Today->Then the "Items" tab, then follow my directions. Now, depending on what version of the stock ROM you are running, the regular WM settings icon may not be available under the Start menu, but you can also get there by scrolling over to settings through Sense, then hit the right softkey and press "All Settings" to get to the same place.
EDIT-I may not have understood your post exactly right. You might not see the "Today" settings under settings on the stock ROM. You will need to apply a CAB that enables hidden settings to be shown, but I do not remember what this CAB is called, nor where I got it. All I remember is that it came from the "Apps and Themes" subforum of the Leo section.
Thanks again, Ashosaur.
I finally found that Today setting, after I found that "All Settings" Button, and I disabled the "Sense" today screen.
Only after doing that, and rebooting afterwards was I able to run Sprite Backup. It will install, but apparently not run at all, with Sense.
Even after doing that, removing the Sense today item, it is still not completely like Windows Mobile. Other settings are missing, for instance--the text size, color, and fonts, cleartype tuner, etc.
And you don't get a regular Windows Mobile Start Menu, but still that crazy Sense one.
Any way to get completely back like Win Mo?
I haven't completely given up on Sense either. Some nice things about it. Very buggy though. I've had to reset several times. As said, Sprite Backup, the industry leader in mobile backup software, newest version, would not start at all with Sense!
HTC should get its act together and fix the bugs!
The Start menu will always look like that. It's not Sense, it's WM 6.5. As far as I know its the only Start menu type available for 6.5.
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Thanks again, Ashosaur.
I finally found that Today setting, after I found that "All Settings" Button, and I disabled the "Sense" today screen.
Only after doing that, and rebooting afterwards was I able to run Sprite Backup. It will install, but apparently not run at all, with Sense.
Even after doing that, removing the Sense today item, it is still not completely like Windows Mobile. Other settings are missing, for instance--the text size, color, and fonts, cleartype tuner, etc.
And you don't get a regular Windows Mobile Start Menu, but still that crazy Sense one.
Any way to get completely back like Win Mo?
I haven't completely given up on Sense either. Some nice things about it. Very buggy though. I've had to reset several times. As said, Sprite Backup, the industry leader in mobile backup software, newest version, would not start at all with Sense!
HTC should get its act together and fix the bugs!
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You might try looking at a new ROM. Read through the tutorial in the forum your phone belongs to (T-MoUS or Euro) and it will tell you everything you need to know. Try a Miri ROM or an Energy ROM. Both work very smooth and much faster than stock. Stock ROM the phone came with is known to be slow and buggy. You shouldnt have to disable sense to install Sprite. Thats just an issue with your stock ROM. GL!
I'm using a T-Mobile HD2 with stock ROM. Its not proving buggy or problematic in any way. And I haven't had any crashes with Sense. BTW with sense to get at all settings you swipe right to get the Sense settings tab, tap the menu item at bottom right, and choose all settings.
I think BSB tweaks can also turn on the standard Win Mobile settings menu. Perhaps other aspects as well.
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Sense is actually VERY customizable. I personally use CoOkie's Home Tab 1.8.5(?) and it lets you customize nearly every part of the Sense experience. .
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First of all, thanks a lot for the recommendation about CHT. The thread about that app really should be a sticky on this forum. It really is a must-have.
I disagree with your first sentence above, at least from what I have seen so far.
I didn't find Sense (without CHT) very customizable at all. Quite the contrary.
But adding CHT makes all the difference. Thanks for the recommendation.
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First of all, thanks a lot for the recommendation about CHT. The thread about that app really should be a sticky on this forum. It really is a must-have.
I disagree with your first sentence above, at least from what I have seen so far.
I didn't find Sense (without CHT) very customizable at all. Quite the contrary.
But adding CHT makes all the difference. Thanks for the recommendation.
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I think what he means is that sense is able to be highly customized via tweaks and tools such as CHT and others...to be made to look and behave in ways that no other mobile UI could match. However, one that does come close to being as versatile is SPB Mobile Shell. It's a paid app with a free trial you can check out...some users consider it the only real alternative to Sense.
so here's the question :
will it be possible to mod HTC Hup ?
or ad some extra tiles/tabs to HTC Hup .
and is there someone that can tell me how sense look (is it one app or is it something like 1000 manila files)
i dont know much about it, but i assume it will be possible, anything is possible if you work at it. Sense however is one app or "hub" as they are calling it on WP7 so im not sure how it would work but i doubt it will be just manilla files, i reckon some hard coding will be needed.
I agree, someone on here will probably re-engineer them, but what's the point?
Previous versions of the Sense UI laid over (and hid) the OS, in this case it is just another app based in a WP Hub, it will have a much more minor role.
In fact from the previews I've seen in my opinion it will be pretty useless. In the past HTC used Sense UI to give glanceable info to Windows Mobile, now that Windows Phone does this from it's core, HTC have gone in a completly opposite direction by putting on an overly animation heavy interface onto a glaceable UI!!! Now it takes 2 to 3 seconds to get into the HTC hub because of all their fancy animations.
Someone may port it to non-HTC devices or copy the latest versions (going forward Sense 3.1, 3.5, etc) onto all the phone.
I'm sure the developers here are more interested in WP7 itself rather than Sense UI which has well and truley become an animation bloatware on WP7.
actually looks like MS and HTC declared that no custom home screen will be available fot WP7 phones
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so here's the question :
will it be possible to mod sense 3.0 ?
or ad some extra tiles/tabs to sense 3.0 .
and is there someone that can tell me how sense look (is it one app or is it something like 1000 manila files)
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Hi,
There are no manila files (yet).
See post #13 in the thread:
HTML:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760051&page=2
Regards, ansar.
From a programmers point of view the Sense App on HTC's WP7 devices is just another app (although it seems to have the possibility to access more than regular WP7 apps built with the public tools (sound settings on the Surround and HD7).
HTC currently mainly uses it to add Weather and Stock-Updates as those are not part of the base OS.
StevieBallz said:
From a programmers point of view the Sense App on HTC's WP7 devices is just another app (although it seems to have the possibility to access more than regular WP7 apps built with the public tools (sound settings on the Surround and HD7).
HTC currently mainly uses it to add Weather and Stock-Updates as those are not part of the base OS.
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Short answer no.
Long answer:
"Sense 3.0" is based on Silverlight. Which won't run on Windows Mobile 6.5 or less.
walshieau said:
Short answer no.
Long answer:
"Sense 3.0" is based on Silverlight. Which won't run on Windows Mobile 6.5 or less.
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Well... it is just another App... although a WP7-App that won't run anywhere else - what I meant to say: I don't see why anyone would need this thing anyplace else, what it provides is little and could easily be done by just writing a simple App.
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hey there guys.,
i got a new Samsung B6520 Omnia Pro 5 ( running Windows Standard 6.5) a couple of days back.
It's basically a non touch phone( 320 x 240 pixels, 2.4 inches, QWERTY) and I'm looking for apps / themes/ and stuff in general for my phone.
i tried looking around the forum, but in vain.. so somebody Plzzzzz help...!!
i really think i made a mistake getting a WinMo
~Hbk~
Return it......... get an Android based phone the problem with the 6.5 it will not update to win7 so this op system is a dead horse. Sorry but yes you did make a mistake.
If you were going WM then you should have gotten a touch screen phone, there are loads of themes etc to try, or you could have installed SPB MS3.5 and had the best OS and interface a business/general use phone can have at the moment.
If you wanted games though, as oka1 said, android is better suited while still managing to be an ok business phone (htc sense makes this better I've found)
From an applications developer's point of view, programming for WinMo Standard can be a bit of a pain. You have to decide whether or not your program is going to run on it, or not, at design time. It may end up as a completely different release of the program.
Having said that, it is possible to make a single .exe run on both WinMo Professional and Standard, but the program has to look at which platform it is running on, and then behave accordingly. On WinMo Standard, there is no Touchscreen/Mouseclick input, only the keyboard and the D-Pad/Enter buttons. The interface has to be designed to work with both from the outset, or both interfaces must be included in the same program, then it decides and uses the correct one at runtime.
It can be done but it is a lot of extra effort. As an example try the 5x5 or Peg Solitaire puzzles in the signature below.
thanks for the inputs guys
i really wish some one could just write a program to port android onto a windows phone keeping in mind the hardware changes too. ..
But my question is, " When we are seamlessly able to install / un-install OS's on our desktops/ laptops, why not on a mobile phone?!"
I REALLY think mobile phone manufacturers should give the consumers that flexibility to chose what OS they'd want running on their devices. .
Who knows?! maybe they'd think on these lines in the future perhaps?
~Hbk~
Get a HTC HD2, it can run WM, WP7 (why you'd want to I don't know), Android, Win95, Win98, Ubuntu and a few others.
ya get HTC its awesome machine and it also works on each and every window whatever it is window vista or whatever it window 7.. ya YOu made a mistake but now dont waste time if you want winpro
I really hope some philanthropic people come forward and donate what ever they can..
Coz i really can't afford an Android right now..
I shall officially kick start "Project Andriod 2.2" A Donation Drive to help people who are stuck with symbian/winmo and want a serious upgrade to ANDROID..
~HbK~
I shall post the default/original wallpapers of Samsung B6520 Omnia here in this thread later..
Call me a dork, but i check the DFT got Nodo Working link EVERYDAY! I have yet to post anything remotely like "when will we get Nodo"! Simply because, I know it can't be easy doing what those devs like Cotulla and DFT do and I think it is rude to rush them, especially if you're not making any donations! Furthermore, that thread is only becoming a bit*hfest. So here is something to discuss while waiting for Nodo.
So, I was doing some reading in the Android and WM 6.5 sections of our wonderful HTC HD2 device and I saw that Android is the only section with new things to play with! So, after nearly 4 months of having the same WP7 ROM on my HD2, I flashed a NAND Android yesterday.
Played with it a bit, set it up while I read about some other Android ROMs. Downloaded those, while setting up and playing with current install. Then flashed another, and another.
I remembered that this is what it was like before WP7 came out for HD2! I was expecting an important phone call this morning 9am, but at 8:10, flashed another Android ROM. Got it all ready to go before the phone call came in! (oh, and the ROM worked perfectly for the phone call)! Currently still on that one (which one is irrelevant) but yet still looking for more! "Why?", I ask myself!
I was content with WP7 and still am, but just waiting for Nodo and I'll go back. I just wanted to share my take on WP7 vs Android vs WM 6.5 and why I think I flash all the time with Android and WM 6.5 and not with WP7.
WM 6.5 - I love it. I think the the HTC sense made it buggy and that the DEVs did a great job with custom ROMs and made it less buggy. I loved how open it is to save, delete and install files and better yet, copy and paste! OMG I miss that! I consider myself a power user of my Windows phones because I've been flashing them since Win CE days in 2003. I know how they work and what to do when I mess it up. The average user could really mess some stuff up because of it's freedoms so to speak (which is why WM 6.5 didn't take off like iOS and Android) I feel I flashed a lot because of the different customizations made available and the fluidity of some. However, even the best ROM was not as fluid as WP7 and lack of Apps and games is an issue. With the latest Bing we finally got a decent turn-by-turn navigation with good search ability.
Android - I like it. I didn't at first because I was biased toward WM. It isn't as open and free as WM 6.5 is, but it is close. It is buggy and not as fluid as WM 6.5, and it does have copy and paste and some decent games. A good variety of builds and ROMs are available for us flash-oholics to satisfy our customization needs. A real good selection of games and apps and decent turn-by-turn navigation (with a British voice on some ROMs) make the Android system a good choice. And the ease of trying new ROMs without losing all your settings is an awesome feature that WP7 needs.
WP7 - I kept waiting and waiting for WP7 to come out for HD2 and finally 1-23-11 it hits! A bit buggy at first with the Chevron unlock and side loading apps, but for the most part, very solid OS. We have a ever growing selection of decent apps and games and recently got am alright navigation program (with horrible search options) from Telenav (T-Mobile) but it has a monthly fee! A newer free one I'm sure is just around the corner as with a bunch of other stuff like flash (expected for a new OS). I'd like to see google maps on WP7 as well as Multitasking. I know Microsoft designed WP7's back feature with tombstoning to be a form of multitasking, but let's say you are using a GPS calorie program while walking and a phone call comes in and you answer it, the GPS software is tombstoned (put to sleep exactly where it was when the call was answered) but it isn't counting calories or tracking your location anymore. Basically, WP7 is fast and stable and has a quick and unique way of connecting with facebook, and like the commercials say, "it's designed to get you in and out of your phone and back to your life."
But why was I satisfied with WP7 for nearly 4 months when I flashed nearly every day before? That is my question to all of you. Is it the lack of ROMs available or the lack of customization or what. Is there anyone else that has wondered the same thing?
I have to agree WM6.5 was awesome, but missing one thing which is important to me: the apps and games. It did have some great games, but not as much as android and wp7. Right now I'm (just like you) waiting for Nodo and using Android on a very nice build (Imilka's GB Sense), but with android and WM6.5 I was, and am, flashing several times a week. I really like WP7, but it's missing some nice features too (copy & paste, file browser, installing XAP, browsing through your phone when connected to PC instead of only being able to sync music, videos and apps with zune etc.). But the most important reason for me why I don't use WP7, I can't sideload!! There was only one build which did work with sideloading, and that was the first LEO70 (I was really excited about it), but it needed so much regedits before I could sideload, use file explorer, keep it unlocked etc., that I decided to use the custom builds with build-in regedits and chevron, but those just can't be sideloaded (if anyone had this problem and/or has solution, please tell). I think I'll just buy the class 10 micro-sd 16gb for €21,49 (yes that cheap, yes trusted site) instead of my stupid 8Gb sandisk ultra (which appeared to be a class 2 ultra, so not too impressive), so I can dual boot WP7 and Android, without being low on storage.
BTW here is link to SD card if you're interested: http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/-/1005/1250/-/19254851/PNY-16GB-Micro-SD-Memory-Card-Class-10/Product.html?source=9593&_$ja=tsid:11853|prd:85386
Now I have tried most of the WP7 ROMs and I could side load xaps on all of them. The first Leo70 was lot more involved to enable that feature.
Not sure exactly what I did other than install the DEV tools and change the HOST file to prevent relocking.
Open the drive please
I like WP7, I was using Android, back from 1.6 to 2.3, and have a dual boot right now (Android 2.3 CM7 and WP7).
Currently I am using the WP 7, but i am getting frstrated with nto beign able to simply drag and drop photos, music etc to the device.
As for side loading, I have not found that to be an issue for me, as there doesn't seem to be much out there that is not from the marketplace (maybe I am missing out on a bunch of stuff).
Looking forward to NoDo, and hopefully a crack to allow easy sideloading and direct memory access.
I alos have a ZUNE and it has the same structure (only loadign throug the software) but I know there are ways to load directly to the memory. I believe that the change is actually to regedit you PC to stop the PC from lockign out directa access.
Hopefully someone figures this out for our WP7's
Good luck the then and thaks to all the devs working on WP7
But do you find that you flash a lot use Android? How long did you run WP7 before going back to Android?
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But do you find that you flash a lot use Android? How long did you run WP7 before going back to Android?
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Yup.. lots of flashing. I think that's because Android has idk how many different styles, builds, themes whatever (sense, gingerbread, cyanogenmod, honeycomb, t-mobile mytouch you get the point), but wp7 has one simple, easy to use and yet graphical interface, which doesn't change a lot (there is one which has custom tiles, xboxmod I thought, don't know for sure). I've been on the first leo70 for about 2 weeks, which is very very long for me. I'm a ms person, but until wp7 gets better I'll just use Android. And believe me, I can't wait to raise my gamerscore from ~16000 to ~17000 thx to wp7.
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WM6.5....lack of apps and games?
ok, give you the games, but WM had shed loads of programs, and more importantely you could freely install anything you liked, i will admit that the marketplace does have a lot, but like android and iOS much of it is ****e
I use WP7, i love it, but i also love WM6.5, that OS is a beast, it will do anything , yeah its a bit sluggish and not as pretty but hay it works. If it wasnt for HTC and QC screwing us over drivers WM6.5 would be a viable modern day OS.