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Hi there,
I'm new to this forum - and new to the whole Windows Mobile idea as I'm normally an avid Apple fan but I do make an exception when it comes to the phone as the iPhone (as of yet) is quite 'useless' when it comes functionality and flexibility compared to a Windows Mobile device.
In either case, I've recently flashed my MDA Vario II and, after having used Black Satin for a day or two, put on Schap's 3.60a WM6 ROM. The only reason i did not like Satin was that it combined the inbox/outbox for MMS and SMS messages (knowing my luck I'm sure there would have been an easy way around that).
Right, ever since I put on the WM6 ROM and installed a few other applications, such as Spb's Mobile Shell, Spb Weather, etc etc the phone seems to be incredibly sluggish and slow. I did a full re-set and then installed one application at a time to see if it has something to do with a particular bit of software. But I don't think that's the case as the phone acts pretty slow even with nothing installed after the hard re-set. But now, after a few days, it takes, for example, around 15seconds to show the Windows directory using either File Explorer or Resco's explorer. The start-up progress, especially the transition from the Splash Screen to the standard Home Screen is incredibly slow and happens in stages. It then takes about another 30 seconds for the keypad to come up, asking for my PIN.
I've been running all sorts of utilities such as MemMaid, PocketMechanic and SKTools to make sure that the device is in 'mint' condition but, if at all, this made little change to the overall speed.
I expected the phone to run slightly slower under WM6 compared to WM5 as, strictly speaking, the TyTN, as I understand it, was not designed with WM6 in mind - which may be the reason why a lot of providers here in the UK do not offer a WM6 upgrade. However, the phone has become uncomfortably slow and sluggish so is there any way to speed it up or is this a known issue with WM6 on the TyTN?
Also, not sure this is the right forum for this but I also tried to set up Direct Push and it works fine - only problem I have is that it does not seem to support WiFi (it does when I check manually but as soon as I utilise the Direct Push function, the phone insists to connect to the 3G network). Now this is not necessarily a big problem as I've got an unlimited data plan but when at home I am using WiFi and there is little point in having both switched on, WiFi and the Data Connection as that does drain the battery. Again, any ideas to solve this would be appreciated
Thank you guys
Hello mate,
Not sure why you are having the problems you are having. Anyway I run Schaps on my Tytn (see my sig), together with SPB products without any problems at all. The whole lot is rock solid.
My suggestion would be that you re-flash your device with the combination of ROM and Radio that I use, given I have confirmed no issues. If that works then you have at least proved your device is ok. If it doesn't work then your problem lies elsewhere, probably with the device.
Strong advice - make absolutely sure you have done all the things and taken all the precautions outlined in Mr Vanx's excellent guides (see here http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/)
I will track this thread to see how you get on.
Cheers
WB
Hello there...
How was your device under Satin? I am running Satin on an 8525, and it runs ok. Black Satin is also a WM6 rom. I am running HTC home, pocket breeze and iLauncher. SPB tends to let it slower, but not that slow for sure.
I suggest you read through the specific thread of Schaps 3.60. I am not sure, but i once read a few posts, and if i recall correctly, there were some problems with the version. Either that or 3.57... don't know for sure.
I also suggest re-flashing with a different rom. Or, read through the Satin thread here at XDA-devs or at 4winmobile, and there might be a fix for the mms/sms thingy. Then go back to Satin. There is also the Black X going on, but I think it is still beta...
Just don't forget to follow Mr. Vanx precautions, specially installing HardSPL v7, if you don't want a bricked device.
Let us know how it goes
Hey there,
Thanx for replying. I have been thinking about re-flashing the ROM but to see if that helps. I have been playing with the phone a lot so I may have somehow done something which I shouldn't have - whatever that may be :S
Can I ask ... in your sig you state that the 1.50 Radio is very buggy - what are the issues with it, cos I am using that one and was wondering if that could possibly be related to it?
Thanx for the replies guys. I've decided to re-flash the ROM and, it seems to be working fine again. I actually think the phone works slightly faster now as it did under the T-Mobile WM5 ROM. I haven't updated the Radio and stuck to 1.50 as I've read somewhere that it's working fine for the UK (lemme know if I'm wrong - they say there would be a noticable improvement in 3G reception, but I haven't seen that, but I dont seem to have any major issues with 1.50)
So, fingers crossed the phone won't slow down again - which I guess it shouldn't and I'll be careful what I install on it, making sure I have the latest versions of everything.
Thanx again for all your suggestions
Flipside,
Radio 1.50 caused me loads of problems; dropped calls, not being able to make a call for no reason, people not being able to reach me even though the phone was on and in an excellent signal area, having to reboot to get the radio to switch on, etc, etc.
Have not looked back since i went to 1.47. The lesson learnt for me was not to jump at the latest radio rom, just because its the latest. Latest does not necessarily mean best for ones particular circumstances.
Cheers
WB
New sprint rom?? http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=10293&page=3
http://download.america.htc.com/RUU_...PL106_Ship.exe
It's been confirmed. That is the new official ROM for Sprint. It fixes the Bluetooth issues among others. No Rev. A or GPS of course, but that was expected.
question is, is this really "better" than the alltel rom that has been available for a long time already over at PPCgeeks...
The alltel rom fixed the BT and alarm problem as well. I'm excited to see that Sprint finally caught up, but I'm wondering if this is better than the setup I currently have.
Well I for one am happy and upset.. I would like to see REV A , as I need the faster upload speeds for sending big files from my 4gb micro sd.
I havent tried the Alltel rom, but the new sprint rom fixes the keyboard lag + wm6 responsiveness problems.
After reading all of the threads over at PPCGeeks, it seems like there are some mixed results on the ROM (to be expected I guess, you can't appease everyone.)
-Most are reporting the BT fix worked correctly.
-I didn't see anyone say that the Alarm fix didn't work
-People are reporting that the OS seems a little faster and better at managing memory, such as reclaiming more when you close an app, etc.
-The radio version on the Sprint ROM is 1.47, compared to 1.40 of the Alltel, some were reporting better reception between this one and the stock rom (1.32 I believe)
-the most widely spread issue I saw was that some users were having issues with their dpad not working. At first, someone pinned it down to sprinttv, as it worked after they removed it, but then others said that the problem returned.
-YMMV, but some reported that when they skipped the sprint customization of the rom (when it starts initially, after the 3 second delay where you can soft reset) it caused issues on their phone. One person said that a workaround for this was to let it install EVERYTHING initially, and then do a hard reset and skip the customization process. It makes sense that if it were something with the EXTRom that it might put something in there that you needed, but again, not sure on this one.
-I can't believe how many people were stuck on the idea that they would be able to use Sprite Backup or SPB Backup to restore all of their stuff. Let me say this again, because I don't think it can be said enough. Unless you are just restoring folders such as your documents or something non-system related, you CANNOT use these programs. You WILL overwrite the new files with the old ones, causing a boatload of issues, if it even works at all. So don't do it, or you will cause yourself some headaches. Activesync remembers the apps you have installed, so just sync afterwards and click the boxes. For your other stuff such as contacts, back those up with a contact backup app or sync with outlook if you've got it.
just my two cents.
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After reading all of the threads over at PPCGeeks, it seems like there are some mixed results on the ROM (to be expected I guess, you can't appease everyone.)
-Most are reporting the BT fix worked correctly.
-I didn't see anyone say that the Alarm fix didn't work
-People are reporting that the OS seems a little faster and better at managing memory, such as reclaiming more when you close an app, etc.
-The radio version on the Sprint ROM is 1.47, compared to 1.40 of the Alltel, some were reporting better reception between this one and the stock rom (1.32 I believe)
-the most widely spread issue I saw was that some users were having issues with their dpad not working. At first, someone pinned it down to sprinttv, as it worked after they removed it, but then others said that the problem returned.
-YMMV, but some reported that when they skipped the sprint customization of the rom (when it starts initially, after the 3 second delay where you can soft reset) it caused issues on their phone. One person said that a workaround for this was to let it install EVERYTHING initially, and then do a hard reset and skip the customization process. It makes sense that if it were something with the EXTRom that it might put something in there that you needed, but again, not sure on this one.
-I can't believe how many people were stuck on the idea that they would be able to use Sprite Backup or SPB Backup to restore all of their stuff. Let me say this again, because I don't think it can be said enough. Unless you are just restoring folders such as your documents or something non-system related, you CANNOT use these programs. You WILL overwrite the new files with the old ones, causing a boatload of issues, if it even works at all. So don't do it, or you will cause yourself some headaches. Activesync remembers the apps you have installed, so just sync afterwards and click the boxes. For your other stuff such as contacts, back those up with a contact backup app or sync with outlook if you've got it.
just my two cents.
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i took the plunge yesterday, i skipped out on all the sprint customization and everything turned out ok....haven't tested bluetooth yet but everything you said seems to be on point...
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-YMMV, but some reported that when they skipped the sprint customization of the rom (when it starts initially, after the 3 second delay where you can soft reset) it caused issues on their phone. One person said that a workaround for this was to let it install EVERYTHING initially, and then do a hard reset and skip the customization process. It makes sense that if it were something with the EXTRom that it might put something in there that you needed, but again, not sure on this one.
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Just to clarify this is part. A hard reset will completely erase any carrier customizations there is absolutely no reason for installing extrom, hard resetting then skipping. Just start out with the hard reset, skip customizations and you'll be good to go.
Although there are still the other bugs with the update =)
Just installed it a while ago, skipped the sprint customizations, everything seems to be running good and actually noticeably quicker than before. New startup screen is cool too, no problems thus far =)
do yourself a favor and wait for the next rom. If you didn't already experiance it, your device will lock up and go to sleep requiring a soft reset...very unusable. and BT will turn off after a few minutes randomly.
load the colonel's rom on, it's much better imho
Seems to only happen to some people though. I have had my phone on pretty much straight since the rom update.
there seems to be a major bluetooth issue where the BT just shuts off periodically.. Not sure how,but they found a way to make bluetooth even worse!
I can't carry on a conversation without BT shutting off on me.. (or use the gps without it shutting off/etc..)
-mark
I haven't updated yet, plan to over the weekend, but I would suggest anyone having problems to stop and consider their setup first...
1. What programs are installed that could cause problems?
2. What registry hacks have been done that may cause problems?
3. What configuration settings might need reset that may cause problems?
For example, after a hard reset, Enhanced Network over USB is enabled by default, and this often causes Active Sync to have issues. Likewise, power management tweaks will have reverted to defaults and you may like a more finely tuned setup.
As for memory leaks being better/worse, you may have programs installed that are out of date/buggy.
I realize it's easier to jump on the "this sucks" bandwagon, but it doesn't help you or other users with legitimate problems when no consideration is given to what is causing a given problem.
These situations are precisely why the instructions tell you that EVERYTHING will be erased. This is a good thing since it forces you to clean house, but it also means you have to pay attention to those things you often neglect or may have changed ages ago and forgotten.
Finally, if all else fails, try the ROM update again. Sometimes things go wrong.
Sorry if this seems like a rant, I just want people having issues to place blame where it truly belongs. After considering these matters, if you still have problems, definitely let HTC and the rest of us know.
Best Regards,
Aaron
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I haven't updated yet, plan to over the weekend, but I would suggest anyone having problems to stop and consider their setup first...
1. What programs are installed that could cause problems?
2. What registry hacks have been done that may cause problems?
3. What configuration settings might need reset that may cause problems?
For example, after a hard reset, Enhanced Network over USB is enabled by default, and this often causes Active Sync to have issues. Likewise, power management tweaks will have reverted to defaults and you may like a more finely tuned setup.
As for memory leaks being better/worse, you may have programs installed that are out of date/buggy.
I realize it's easier to jump on the "this sucks" bandwagon, but it doesn't help you or other users with legitimate problems when no consideration is given to what is causing a given problem.
These situations are precisely why the instructions tell you that EVERYTHING will be erased. This is a good thing since it forces you to clean house, but it also means you have to pay attention to those things you often neglect or may have changed ages ago and forgotten.
Finally, if all else fails, try the ROM update again. Sometimes things go wrong.
Sorry if this seems like a rant, I just want people having issues to place blame where it truly belongs. After considering these matters, if you still have problems, definitely let HTC and the rest of us know.
Best Regards,
Aaron
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My experience is as simple and "vanilla" as it gets:
-Loaded new ROM
-Hard reset
-Stopped customizations
-Installed NO apps, did not turn on BT, made no calls, did nothing else
-3 DSODs in 4 hours
-Did a second flash (from a second computer with a freshly downloaded ROM)
-Hard reset
-Allowed customizations to run
-Again no apps, BT or calls
-DSOD within an hour
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My experience is as simple and "vanilla" as it gets:
-Loaded new ROM
-Hard reset
-Stopped customizations
-Installed NO apps, did not turn on BT, made no calls, did nothing else
-3 DSODs in 4 hours
-Did a second flash (from a second computer with a freshly downloaded ROM)
-Hard reset
-Allowed customizations to run
-Again no apps, BT or calls
-DSOD within an hour
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Sounds atypical to me, given that most users are updating without issue and experiencing better results. I have no reason to doubt your experience though... it sounds like you have faulty hardware, but here's a download link to the previous firmware if you're interested in trying it out first:
http://www.htcamerica.net/support/mogul/software-downloads.html
No, "most" users are not experiencing better results. I've been using this ROM with poor results, as have many others. Read this thread for many sad tales of woe:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=10302
Basically, the new ROM does fix a bunch of things, but breaks others, so I would not recommend installing this ROM.
1) Locks up when changing from Sprint to roaming. You can test this by manually switching from Sprint to roaming and back a few times, you WILL get a phone lockup.
2) BT turns off randomly for many users.
3) Turn on BT, let unit sit for a few minutes until it goes to sleep, turn unit back on, dpad no longer works. I have seen this myself many times.
Don't install this update --- use the Alltel ROM or wait for another update.
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Sounds atypical to me, given that most users are updating without issue and experiencing better results. I have no reason to doubt your experience though... it sounds like you have faulty hardware, but here's a download link to the previous firmware if you're interested in trying it out first:
http://www.htcamerica.net/support/mogul/software-downloads.html
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1) You're incorrect in stating that most users have no problems, etc. Some do, some don't. Read the posts at ppcgeeks, pdaphonehome, BAW, hofo. I am not at all alone in having problems.
2) I downgraded 2 days ago, and my Mogul runs fine again - just exactly like it did for the 1st 3 months I had it. It's not my hardware! It's a bad ROM release.
Not everyone uses the phone in the same way at all. So of course some people will not see the same problems that others do.
If you never use Bluetooth and never roam, then this ROM will work for you. Otherwise, it will cause problems. For me, Bluetooth works much better in 2.09, and I rarely if ever see lockups as I have with 2.16. So, I'm going with 2.09 for now. The alarm problem IS fixed in 2.16 but I never use alarms on my phone so it's not an issue for me. Freezes when roaming ARE a problem.
cbunting said:
do yourself a favor and wait for the next rom. If you didn't already experiance it, your device will lock up and go to sleep requiring a soft reset...very unusable. and BT will turn off after a few minutes randomly.
load the colonel's rom on, it's much better imho
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is colonels rom built on the alltel core rom? if so it may be our best bet as of now.
I'd be interested to see how many of us upgraded rom on new Pure.
Which rom you used, performance improvements, battery life, problems etc.
Did you back up stock rom?
Andy
I'll usually run the stock rom for a few weeks then start playing. I'll be watching this thread!
What I have noticed is that on a lot of the popular roms, you'll see things like "landscape/rotate will not work", or you will see nary an ATT person in there, but lots of euro TD2 owners, etc.
I have the WWE AT&T Pure and had it stock for about 4 days and decided to flash to !Amen!'s R5 Ultimate ROM which had the new TouchFlo 3d 2.5 Leo interface. As much as I liked the new interface it was sluggish and I had a few bugs that kept me from liking it a lot. I then looked into "TESS's 3.6 WinMo 6.5 TouchFlo 2.1" ROM and switched to it and haven't looked back. It's coupled with the new radio and all it's signal goodness. I have had no issues with this rom and have thoroughly tested everything from data, tethering, bluetooth file transfer and stereo profiling, wi-fi strength and connection, gps, overall interface response time, multitasking, and video playback to the kicker -the battery life (which I am reporting is excellent, a full day of heavy use and it's at a little over half battery). All worked and I am proud to bring you the good news that if you are looking for a solid ROM to flash to then head to TESS's release thread for info. on his ROM and it's glory.
flashed my pure to energy ROM within 30 minutes of getting it, so while i cant comment on battery life, speed and stability is much better.
did the new rom affect your ability to use 3g?
gmarcoux said:
did the new rom affect your ability to use 3g?
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ROMs do not affect the radio so AT&T 3G will still work. Flashing a Radio would probably not change it either since the bands are in the chip and changeable by software. But don't take that last part for fact.
I have a Pure...running the latest stock htc Euro WWE 6.1 ROM until the official htc 6.5 ROM is out. Good Lord, when will it be here? I tried the official 6.5 ROM on my Touch Pro 2 and WOW!
FWIW, I noticed that I know have an H instead of 3G in the signal indicator. The AT&T ROM is so full of crap I just couldn't stand it. I am not big on cooked ROMs because there always seems to be something that bothers me...
Had my Pure for over a week now, played with stock ROM for only about half a day before replacing it with a cooked one. Tried multiple ones during my past week and here's my findings:
- Dutty's R4 (and R5) [WM6.5/Manila2.5]: The first one flashed to replace AT&T stock ROM, I really liked it for almost all the aspects. However, push mail sometimes does not push (which happened to Dutty's ROMs on my Diamond as well before) so I have to give it up.
- EnergyROM Leo [WM6.5/Manila2.5]: Pretty fast and stable, but the interface is not my cup of tea, and battery drains pretty fast on mine, so this one didn't stay too long.
- Tom Topaz Leo R2 [WM6.5/Manila2.5]: Very nice ROM, stable and fast, close to stock ROM in terms of interface (not too many customizations). Quite similar to Duttys but without the push mail issue. Battery life seems to be fair. This is the one I'm staying with.
- TESS 3.6 [WM6.5/Manila2.1]: A lot of people says it's good but didn't appeal to me. Forgot what was the exact issues but there were a few, so it didn't stay too long on my Pure.
- Nataly 3.0 [WM6.1/Manila2.1]: A very nice ROM, super fast and clean, just that it's a 6.1, I do prefer 6.5, so I switched back to Tom's ROM. But after a days use of this ROM, I liked its simplicity and performance. I'll probably try it again once the 6.5 version is released. Battery life is said to be super on this one but I didn't have enough time to test out. From my one day's experience it seems to be pretty good.
jimanywhere said:
Had my Pure for over a week now, played with stock ROM for only about half a day before replacing it with a cooked one. Tried multiple ones during my past week and here's my findings:
- Dutty's R4 (and R5) [WM6.5/Manila2.5]: The first one flashed to replace AT&T stock ROM, I really liked it for almost all the aspects. However, push mail sometimes does not push (which happened to Dutty's ROMs on my Diamond as well before) so I have to give it up.
- EnergyROM Leo [WM6.5/Manila2.5]: Pretty fast and stable, but the interface is not my cup of tea, and battery drains pretty fast on mine, so this one didn't stay too long.
- Tom Topaz Leo R2 [WM6.5/Manila2.5]: Very nice ROM, stable and fast, close to stock ROM in terms of interface (not too many customizations). Quite similar to Duttys but without the push mail issue. Battery life seems to be fair. This is the one I'm staying with.
- TESS 3.6 [WM6.5/Manila2.1]: A lot of people says it's good but didn't appeal to me. Forgot what was the exact issues but there were a few, so it didn't stay too long on my Pure.
- Nataly 3.0 [WM6.1/Manila2.1]: A very nice ROM, super fast and clean, just that it's a 6.1, I do prefer 6.5, so I switched back to Tom's ROM. But after a days use of this ROM, I liked its simplicity and performance. I'll probably try it again once the 6.5 version is released. Battery life is said to be super on this one but I didn't have enough time to test out. From my one day's experience it seems to be pretty good.
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Which HardSPL did you use to flash the ROMS?
on this one Topaz-HardSPL_V5_00R5_183HSPL my AV shows a virus and deletes it
I used the stock ROM for about a day, but like most everyone else, I don't like all the extra junk that AT&T puts in there, so I flashed right away. I first used the EnergyROM Leo, liked it well and may go back to it. However, after reading the benchmark spreadsheet, I decided to give Dutty's R5 a try, and have been happy with it. I like the eye candy look of the EnergyROM better, and generally, I can't tell much difference in speed between the two, though Dutty's benchmarks much faster.
Strangely, I found that the stock AT&T ROM was the most error-prone. I got a lot of Windows error messages (shell32.exe, I think) with it. I've managed to lock up both EnergyROM and Dutty's here and there.
I can't say much about battery time at all.
eltoro said:
Which HardSPL did you use to flash the ROMS?
on this one Topaz-HardSPL_V5_00R5_183HSPL my AV shows a virus and deletes it
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There are no viruses at all. Just turn off you AV and DL it. Do you have Norton? For some reason Norton sees it as a virus a lot. AVG did not for me. But there is no virus. Or I'm sure there would be hundreds of angry TD2 owners and you woulda heard about it.
HTC Touch Freak said:
There are no viruses at all. Just turn off you AV and DL it. Do you have Norton? For some reason Norton sees it as a virus a lot. AVG did not for me. But there is no virus. Or I'm sure there would be hundreds of angry TD2 owners and you woulda heard about it.
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Thanks for replying, and you are right I've Norton.......I'm going to try later... Cheers
Tried just about every rom available: energyrom, Showdowline's, Dutty's, and TESS rom. Out of all of them the TESS rom drains my battery the least and is still the most quick in response and rarely locks up or lags. The others have manila 2.5 and I just don't think the pure can handle it unless htc or att comes out with their own version for the pure/td2.
Ahh I can't wait until I get my Pure and start crankin out builds.
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Flashing a Radio would probably not change it either since the bands are in the chip and changeable by software. But don't take that last part for fact.
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What do you mean "bands changeable by software"? If I'll install radio from Europe, will HTC Pure start support European 3G?
AT&T Pure results
I've had pretty good success with several of the most popular ROMs on the AT&T Pure, including TESS, Dutty, X-Treme2.V5, and some of the less popular ROMs too.
What I've found, though, is that in many of these ROMs there is a dialer glitch and a close-button glitch that probably is unique to the Pure.
The dialer glitch: When a voice call comes in, it seems that a third of the time, you cannot use the slider to actually answer the call. And when the call does answer, there is major lag between sliding and answering. I have no idea what causes this, but I've been looking for a ROM that doesn't have this glitch and haven't found one yet.
The close window glitch: This might or might not be unique to the Pure, but in a lot of ROMs, the close-window X in the upper right corner has a graphical glitch. When pressed, the highlight graphic actually appears to the left of the button, rather than beneath it. This is not a functional issue; it's an aesthetic one. But it crops up a lot in the ROMs that I've tested.
I also installed a reduced AT&T Pure ROM listed in another thread, but that was a work in progress and had broken aliases scattered around. I actually like the blue AT&T Pure interface, and I'm hoping that somebody will take that stock ROM and do a nice speed customization with it to cut out the bloatware and make it more responsive.
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When a voice call comes in, it seems that a third of the time, you cannot use the slider to actually answer the call. And when the call does answer, there is major lag between sliding and answering. I have no idea what causes this, but I've been looking for a ROM that doesn't have this glitch and haven't found one yet.
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If it's anything like the prior gen diamond for ATT, you will want to find a rom WITHOUT a slide to answer add on.
They were 100% not compatible with the phone, and did exactly what you described.... well if it even connected the call after waiting a while.
Most of those rom cookers are aware of the problem with the prior gen, maybe if you are having a problem, mention it AND mention you are on ATT. Looks like history is repeating itself.
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If it's anything like the prior gen diamond for ATT, you will want to find a rom WITHOUT a slide to answer add on.
They were 100% not compatible with the phone, and did exactly what you described.... well if it even connected the call after waiting a while.
Most of those rom cookers are aware of the problem with the prior gen, maybe if you are having a problem, mention it AND mention you are on ATT. Looks like history is repeating itself.
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Intersting. But isn't the slider the default for all dialers in Manila/Sense? This means I would have to go to Titanium to avoid this bug I guess -- unless there's some dialer mod that can patch a Manila/Sense slider. All the Manila/Sense ROMs I've tried have had this slide dialer.
Oh, and by the way, it's not just the slide itself that seems to be causing the problem. Actually pressing the physical send/talk button has the same effect when answering a call. That is, about a third of the time, it won't actually answer a call at all, or does connect but only after lagging for four or five seconds. Really annoying stuff.
Ths send/talk button issue might be related to the dialer glitch you're talking about, but I haven't done any testing with a dialer that doesn't use the slide-to-answer. Haven't seen a ROM that doesn't have the slider in the dialer.
Yup in my prior gen case, it was also the physical buttons. Sounds exactly the same!
The ONLY one that would work was a stock ATT diamond rom that someone took the bloatware out of, and left the stock answer buttons.
Is the slider modified in any way in each of these roms?
Do they use another slider in place of the manila slider?
Usually they give a list of the oem rom and the added or modified applications.
Sometimes, and actually a lot of times, they base their work on a euro rom version and call it WWE, that may not have the right drivers or whatnot for the ATT specific hardware.
It really does sound like the same issue all over again. But I'd ask in each of the rom threads and hopefully you'll get a quick answer!
Just finished some testing on Dutty's new Holy Grail ROM, and the results are good. Called my phone 20 times, and answered with the slider 10 times and send/talk physical button 10 times. All slides/presses connected the call immediately with no lag whatsoever. So unless my sampling is too low to be conclusive (perhaps the glitch will kick in less than 10 percent of the time) I think this is the ROM I will use for now.
Unfortunately, the graphics glitch with the close button (the highlight occurs to the left of the X rather than beneath it) is in this build. Plus, the built-in version of Bing doesn't work/launch. But these are small sacrifices to pay for a great all-around ROM that actually answers calls when you press the button or move the slider. Woot!
Hi Everyone,
I really hope this hasn't been asked before, I have, of course, tried searching but it's a complicated issue to search for. I posted a similar question in the Q&A thread before I did some more investigating but received no response.
I love my HD2 when it's on top form but it only seems to run like this for a maximum of 24h. After this the memory usage goes up from about 48% to 58% with nothing running and everything responds terrible slowly. The most noticeable/irritating issue is when trying to type a text message. Each key takes about a second to respond and it is so slow that if I type at normal speed it misses all the spaces I type and I end up with just one long garbled word. It is not just this that slows however, it's the entire phone. Navigating tabs in sence, flicking through texts, using and closing applications, scrolling up and down anything, the weather animation, Duttys task manager all become unusable. As soon as I soft reset it's fine again.
Incidentally the phone behaved exactly the same before I upgraded to the 1.66 Vodafone ROM (from 1.43). I always hoped the ROM upgrade would fix the problem but it did not.
Since posting the original question (where I was suspecting an app or manilla tweak to be the cause) I decided to hard reset and not install anything to see if the issue persisted. It did.
So, has anyone else had this problem. Should I be thinking about sending it back to HTC. I only hard reset this morning and since then have setup email, synced with myphone, setup wireless and setup facebook, twitter and youtube in sence and listened to some music already on my SD card. nothing else. and now it's ridiculously slow again.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks everyone.
Murg
It does sound faulty I'm afraid. If a hard reset doesn't fix it then it's probably the device. You could try a custom ROM, but it probably wouldn't fix anything, and then you'd have to flash it back to its original state before sending it away for replacement.
My guess would be to send it back as faulty. Just make sure that it's running slow when you turn it off before sending it back, or they'll most likely turn it on, see no immediate problem and just put the latest ROM on and call it "fixed".
i have the same exept mine was fine on vf 1.43 rom. have hard reset and reflshed but no beter so i asume its the vf rom? keep thinking of flashing custom rom but never done it before
Thanks for the replies so far. i have posted this on the Vodafone eforum and sent it to HTC support so we'll see what they have to say.
Are there any Vodafone stock ROM users on here who defiantly don't have this problem?
I don't want to HSPL my device on account of my warranty. (yes i know you can uninstall it but what what if my buttons break, or my screen becomes unusable for example) cant afford to buy a replacement so I just ain't doing it yet. (as much as I'd like to)
If it is the ROM there is no point sending it back to Vodafone.. does anyone know if I can send a Vodafone device back to HTC themselves?
Many Thanks
Murg
Hi murgers
Im on Vodafone in UK. Have you a cleanRAM -HTC Addicts- app on your HD2? there are others available!
In brackets below taken from info sheet on download of file.
(Release memory for Windows Mobile devices.
Amazing utility which helps you to clean up the wasted RAM memory without having to restart the device and eventually saves a lot of time.)
If you have not tried using a clean RAM app, try search on this forum and try on your phone. It really helps free up anything up to 30 - 40 MB ram at a time
Hope this helps
s
I have received a response from HTC as follows:
Thank you for contacting us.
In regards to the problems you are currently experiencing, it seems that you have a number of software issues here. Therefore, the only thing i can suggest is to book your phone in for repair so we can have a look into this further. You can do this by calling 08458900079 and speaking to one of our HTC representatives.
If a hard reset and a ROM upgrade did not improve the performance of your phone then this is the next best alternative.
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Sounds like HTC are blaming the Vodafone ROM.
How does returning to HTC work? will i have to pay anything? Do they collect the phone? how long will it take? How can I prove the issue exists, do I send the phone 'on' and whist experiencing the fault?
As said before it's unlikely that sending it back to Vodafone will yield any results.
if you phone htc then they will send someone to yours to pick up the phone in a few days. the whole process takes about a couple weeks and then they ship it back to you
when i sent my phone off for repair i went into a tmobile (my operator) shop and they sent it off for me, and then got a text back when the phone was back, i went back to the shop to pick it up
the whole process took 13 days
this did not solve my problem so i went back to a tmobile shop and am getting a full exhange (swapping for a new phone) on wednesday
hope this helps
its all very simple
Theres a very simple fix... clear your text messages.
This was my issue too which was addressed in another post. When my phone synced with MyPhone, it downloaded thousands of messages and caused major problems. the reason I didn't have issues on my tilt has something to do with sense integration. another option is to disable the sense text messenger app and use the default winmo app.
This is why it works fine for the first 24 hours. When MyPhone syncs overnight and retrieves your texts you get the slowdown.
Hope this helps.
I get this also. Have a t-mobile phone but since flashed it to xannytech, but I still get this.
I had suspected it might be something to do with MyPhone. There a good backup solution I can use that's not this ? Might re-flash and never use it again.
Does the OP use myphone too ?? Might be the common theme...
It's not MyPhone that causes the problem. That simply restores things that you've deleted. If you archive your text message using the MyPhone web interface then they'll be deleted off your phone next time you sync, but they'll still be available online.
That doesn't make any sense. I haven't deleted any text messages. The phone works perfectly quickly, but after a day or so it suddenly starts going really slow. i.e. it takes 30s after pressing 'talk' for the phone to start ringing, typing in messages is slow, the weather goes all stuttery. No programs appear to be running. Restarting the phone fixes it again, but this is pretty annoying.
I had thought it might be myphone or some other service doing something funny in the background. Any way to debug this?
as someone has allready said, i have Cleanram app scheduled to run twice a day and very rarely have an issue. Its all in the background so you dont even notice it running
Ah okay - I thought you were referring to the ongoing discussion and previous talk of how myphone was affecting the OP.
Why don't you just set myphone to sync manually. That way it never does anything in the background. I seriously doubt it's myphone that is causing the problems you have described.
I'd suggest uninstalling apps 1-by-1 to see if the problem suddenly disappears, as it's something that you have installed that's causing the problem. Obviously, if you find the problem still occurs after removing something, you can then reinstall it and move onto the next app.
Will give cleanram a go, though I don't think memory is the problem (always seems to be plenty free when it slows down) - but worth a try!
Not sure it is something installed either, as I don't really have much installed other than myphone, marketplace, google maps and like one game. .... other than of course what came with Xannytech's ROM, but had same issue before and after I put this on anyhow
cheers
Just happened again and tried cleanram, but did not help. It's like something is really hogging the CPU and everything responds slowly, but nothing is running in task manager.
Does anyone know if there is there anyway to show what services are running? Or any other way to debug?
thanks
@rathga
how many text messages are stored on your device?
I have a suspicion that perhaps you didn't grasp what I was saying regarding Myphone.
Hi Rathga - My HD2 does exactly the same thing, with absolutely exactly the same symptoms I've never used myphone though.
I'm on stock O2 (1.43?) and have only really installed TomTom, Hotfixes and Ranster Device Reset (to cope with this issue!)
Often after I keep using it I get prompted to send a debug message to MS with an error in filesys.exe - I'll update this with full details when it happens next
I'm installing this cleanram to see if it helps somehow
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Does anyone know if there is there anyway to show what services are running? Or any other way to debug?
thanks
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Try looking at this thread in the HD2 General forum (sorry can't post links)
'CPU usage is 100% when running Opera'
This was causing me some problems. Clearing the Opera cache certainly seemed to work.
Andy.
Hi,
Don't know if anyone is interested any more or still having this problem but I realised I didn't post a resolution to the problem when I figured out that was causing it.
The Problem was caused by...... Dah Dah Dah.....TEXT MESSAGES.
I had about 1000 text messages shared between the inbox and outbox and apparently this was way too much for the phone to cope with. This really annoyed me as I never had to delete them on my TyNn II (or any other phone I've ever owned for that matter), Iphone and Android users never have to delete them what what is with that!!!.
Sure enough after using MyPhone to 'Archive' the texts the phone sprang back to it speedy old self. Put them back on and Bam... slows to a stop over the course of an hour or so. I don't understand why this happens but I am 100% confident that this was the source of all the problems.
I Still have to archive my texts as I notice it starting to slow down when I reach about 500ish. Very Annoying.
Murg
Try as follows:
Get a junk cleaner and clean all temps
Get SKTools do a Autoclean and switch on all shadow-background services.
This might help to get Your HD2 running smooth as mine for weeks .............
I was on the phone with T-Mobile Support (611), regarding my HD2 and the issues that I am still having with this device. The rep. stated that T-Mobile is aware of the issues on the phone and that the 1st ROM update did not resolve them all and caused some new ones.
She stated specifically this new update would resolve the issue of the device hanging after you try to wake up the phone...also, the "unreliable data connection" issue is still prevalent (I still have this problem - and I have tried everything I can think of or read about). She stated that there are other fixes that they are working on to resolve with this new update.
I could not get a solid time frame, but she stated that it should be pretty quick, given that they issued the first one within a short time frame after the HD2 release.
Now, I'm not sure if this means an upgrade from 6.5 to 6.5.3, but I wouldn't count on it. I just hope it is released soon. This device is so nice and so awful at the same time. Constantly I experience little nagging issues that make using this device such a hassle.
Have you tried just flashing it to one of these custom ROMs?
No I have not yet tried the custom ROM yet on the HD2. I like the way the T-Mobile ROM are, I just am getting fed up with the "unreliable data connection" BS. Also, the phone (since the ROM update) has been running slow and I don't think that is acceptable with the 1GHz snapdragon on this device. My only other issue is that the speaker phone stops working because T-Mobile added some stupid software to the device. If you dial 611, the software pops up and tries to solve your problem via webpage and stops the speaker phone from working till you restart the device.
While that is a short list of issues, they are major issues in using the device. But I think i will wait till this 2nd update comes out...if it does not resolve my issues, custom ROM here I come!
I belive flashing NRG will solve your issues It did mine.
Which issue did it solve? The data connection issue?
Data and freezing as well not to mention the phone just flies now. flashing a new radio fixed reception issue
well I will give it a try and see if it resolves my issues as well. I figure we have about a month or so before T-mobile releases the 2nd update. I know I will not be able to last that long with these issues. It is just a pain in the a-- to flash ROMs every day...I'm not into doing it all the time. I would like to find a good stable ROM and run with it. It just takes too much time flashing and reinstalling all those programs and changing the settings to where I like them all (too much work).
Like I said it is a shame, i really like this device on paper, but in the real world is just has some serious issues. I thought i would get a year or two out of this device when i bought it, now I am already looking to swap this puppy out. I'm looking to see what is coming down the pipeline. I refuse to go with WP7 (feels like the step backwards with it limitations as compared to WM6.5 - and i don't want a device that clones the iPhone of 4 years ago)
Anyone other suggestion on custom ROMs?
NRG 21911 is very solid and you don't have to flash everyday it has xda uc and pim backup witch will back up and reinstall all your software I did it yesterday in about 20 min. I refrain from flashing during the week. the the first time it will take about an hour just read all you can on it. 670megs free space on device 13gigs on sd and 300 megs of free RAM
I'm downloading the 23121 Cookie Dinik Glass version right now...I'll let you know how it works on my device. thanks for pointing me in this direction, appreciate it!
tmobile rep told me the same thing after I had a warranty exchange, she said to expect the update soon as there are alot of people experiencing problems with the current software. Although to be honest after running Android on my HD2 I dont think I ever want to use winmo again.
are you getting everything to work with Android? i did not think they have a fully functional Android ROM for the HD2 yet
They're all the same...
My biggest complaint is the bad data connection. Paying too much money for crappy connection. I can't even get connection in my lower level of my house. I think every carrier and cell phones all have their own problems. My two co-workers, one with Droid and the other iPhone have similar problems. Droid keeps freezing 2 warranty phone exchanges so far and iPhone looses connection frequently. iPhone guy wishes his would freeze so he could get a replacement. So it's not just me.
Help me please
So i tried to install android, and on gthe web it said i needed to install hpsl well my phone had it set to 2.10 they stated i needed 2.08 or earlier so i did it but the install still didn't work !!! How can i return my phone back to 2.10 and still get my warranty back
android fo real?
cabrone said:
tmobile rep told me the same thing after I had a warranty exchange, she said to expect the update soon as there are alot of people experiencing problems with the current software. Although to be honest after running Android on my HD2 I dont think I ever want to use winmo again.
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i read on pocetnow that android is being worked on on xda. seen a couple of post too, but there is always some component not really working. is there an official android post where all the kinks are worked out? i would like to switch if thats the case. thanks.
Wow is all I can say about that NRG ROM....it is great! does everything I have been looking for, no data connection issues since last night (I'll report back on this issue as time goes by). It's fast and very stable (so far, but hell I'm impressed), and I did not even use most stable version the 21911.
The UI is great, I love the three pages of app slot, everything is within one or two finger stokes this way. It also gets rid of the apps that I don't want (ie TelNav, etc...) but keeps most of the apps that I do want...I can always install cabs for the programs I want from the official ROM. Plus it has cooked into it all those sweet tweaks and settings. Great work, I'm not even waiting for T-mobile to release the 2nd update any longer.
Thanks gtrplr71 again for suggesting this custom ROM, it's so nice, I don’t even think I will be trying out any other ROMs.
I would not get hopes up of a 6.5.3 upgrade. Could you imagine the Technical support nightmare if they had to troubleshoot 2 different OS versions?
This is one reason I think Android and Linux will really take off in the future.
steve austin said:
i read on pocetnow that android is being worked on on xda. seen a couple of post too, but there is always some component not really working. is there an official android post where all the kinks are worked out? i would like to switch if thats the case. thanks.
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There's a HD2 Android section in the original HD2 area (euro hd2 section).... but it is a work in progress. There are still a lot of issues and kinks. It will be a while before it works as well as a native android phone. But the progress they've made is unbelievable. It's great having both winmo and android on my phone.
jfarhat said:
Wow is all I can say about that NRG ROM....it is great! does everything I have been looking for, no data connection issues since last night (I'll report back on this issue as time goes by). It's fast and very stable (so far, but hell I'm impressed), and I did not even use most stable version the 21911.
The UI is great, I love the three pages of app slot, everything is within one or two finger stokes this way. It also gets rid of the apps that I don't want (ie TelNav, etc...) but keeps most of the apps that I do want...I can always install cabs for the programs I want from the official ROM. Plus it has cooked into it all those sweet tweaks and settings. Great work, I'm not even waiting for T-mobile to release the 2nd update any longer.
Thanks gtrplr71 again for suggesting this custom ROM, it's so nice, I don’t even think I will be trying out any other ROMs.
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your welcome don't forget to make a backup with pim backup to your sd card and use xda uc once you get things settled. Have fun!
how does the xda uc work? i could not figure that out, when I ran the app it stated that i did not have that file on my storage card...but it appeared there somehow.
Also, the incall record does not seem to work at all. when i lauch it (after I connect or before I connect a call) all I get is a blank lined page (note pad page).
And, is there a list of the added and removed apps somewhere? I could not find it in the ROM thread.
As for the 6.5.3 upgrade from T-Mobile, i don't think it will happen either and right now, after trying the NRG ROM...I don't care. I'm not even going to try the T-mobile 2nd ROM upgrade. Now with Android comes along on the HD2 (fully functional) then i will surely set up a dual boot situation on my HD2. That is like the best of both world.
(xda uc)-you wont notice anything different It will run and monitor the phone for new settings when you decide to flash a new build it will auto run and import settings and apps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653563 (stock apps) I am not familer with in-call record is that an app? this link might help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=588644
tip = turn off second hand on clock in CHT misc settings sync errors happen if you dont
You can PM me if you need more help!