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I'm feeling a little frustrated with my phone and am considering making a move to something different. Does anyone have any opinion of the HTC touch line? I don't know how i feel about not having a keyboard at all. How about the kaiser?
I think you'll see that there are thousands of folks on this board with touch and kaiser who are having fun tweaking their phones to match their individual needs and personalities.
As a kaiser owner I can about 80% of what I do on my PC from anywhere. (In fact, using remote desktop I can do it all. )
It's a little like asking a mail order rep if they think a suit will fit you without telling them anything about yourself. lol The only way to know for sure is to try it on.
Considering its limited memory, I was wondering when everyone thinks the G1 is likely to reach the end of its usefulness.. especially as android develops and requires better hardware to power it.
Any ideas?
I know for certain this topic has been discussed in this subforum atleast two times. Maybe you could join the discussion in those threads?
I know you weren't looking for an answer like this but I suppose it depends on the actual user of the phone, when I had my LG Vu (I know its not a smart phone) I loved it for about a week and absolutely needed a new phone, while my father has his LG Vu and uses it all the time and doesn't even think about getting a new phone since his does the job.
To me this phone will be good for a year or two before I decide to move further, unless I'm influenced to get a different phone which I probably would be
I'm hoping that Android in develop and improve in such a way that it will optimize the use of the current hardware. Optimize the hardware drivers, improve the coding, etc.
Considering that the Dream, Magic, Hero all have the same CPU, I do hope they make more progress on optimizing it for the CPU.
As long as there's a single dev still doing something for G1, it will not die. And after that it will still take some time.
Just go to the forums of some of the really old devices - they're still active.
Karolis said:
As long as there's a single dev still doing something for G1, it will not die. And after that it will still take some time.
Just go to the forums of some of the really old devices - they're still active.
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True, I still visit the Tmobile Shadows forum on this site and there are still roms being cooked for it.
I change phones almost every year if not 2 times a year....but havent changed my phone since I got the G1 because...and it still impresses friends almost every week....
Karolis said:
As long as there's a single dev still doing something for G1, it will not die. And after that it will still take some time.
Just go to the forums of some of the really old devices - they're still active.
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This is so true. I first found this site when I got an HTC Wizard. When I got it the model had long since been discontinued, but the developers here were still active. With what I got here it managed to put an old phone on par with many new models.
Personally until an android phone comes out with a significantly better processor, screen, camera, and with a physical keyboard, I'm probably not going anywhere.
G1 will die when someone releases a phone with twice the processing power, hardware-accelerated 3D, a decent camera (5+ MP, autofocus, flash) true multitouch screen, and at half the power consumption.
it may never truly die
Just Google "nanoloop" to see how long a cult object can outlive its perceived consumer life cycle. I see the G1 as having great potential for achieving cult status, due in part to its homely chin.
Like those above have said i honestly don't see this ever dying out. This was and is the first Android phone and for the fact i see it always being around being worked on.
The G1 will die:
1. After the iPhone dies
2. After all the devs stop developing <- highly unlikely
3. When T-Mobile makes a huge mistake
Just my two cents.
Cult Status probably not but long lifetime
The G1 in my opinion does not have that much of a cult status potential since today the lifecycle is wa quicker than in 1989. I mean the GB was produced for like 8-10 years! Mine still works and would never sell it or give it away.
I know that I will want a new phone in probably a year (or whenever the next nice android device WITH a hardware keyboard and a better camera + batterylife) will come out. But even then I will keep my G1 as second navigation device? GPS dataloger? Mobile Router? Remote Control?....
there is so much great softwware that works great on the G1 hardware and unless you dont want to run som stupid 3D UI or game on it I dont see a reason to get rid of it.
with all my respect to all those who love their G1: i would like to give my opinion;;;;;
this phone (G1) is a complete crap, it does not worth a penny, and it is a BIG failure for Tmo, Google, and HTC. it is nothing but a piece of sh***. they should have done a lot more development and testing before they released it to the public. they did not give it to us for free,, we paid a lot of $ for it. and it DOES NOT WORK.
sorry for the language but honestly i consider my G1 as the worst purchase i have made in my whole life. it is a FRAUD and is AREADY DEAD.
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with all my respect to all those who love their G1: i would like to give my opinion;;;;;
this phone (G1) is a complete crap, it does not worth a penny, and it is a BIG failure for Tmo, Google, and HTC. it is nothing but a piece of sh***. they should have done a lot more development and testing before they released it to the public. they did not give it to us for free,, we paid a lot of $ for it. and it DOES NOT WORK.
sorry for the language but honestly i consider my G1 as the worst purchase i have made in my whole life. it is a FRAUD and is AREADY DEAD.
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"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." Haha. But on a serious note and I mean no offense by this but if you have so much hatred for the G1 why are you on this forum? Some people pay way more for a phone that does less and is way worse than you believe this phone to be. Granted everyone is looking for different things. Perfect example a co-worker bought a blackberry bold and hated it with a passion, his son however loved it (me I would never consider paying more for what I deem an inferior phone). So it is all personal preference, but I don't see this phone dying anytime soon unless another phone with better specs and a full keyboard comes along.
dear BSDADON and all:
Iam here on this forum trying to find solutions and fixes for things and issues of the G1 that should NEVER have been issues to begin with. example: apps2sd;;;;; how come Tmo and Google sell the phone without this feature and with almost no internal memory????? and what is more funny is that they give you the market app??? where are we expected to install apps????
another example is the email client: they shipped the phone with email that does NOT work with exchange servers,,,,, and even when you find a server that is supported (POP3), then the only way you can empty the trash is to uninstall the application.... WTF ?????? isnt that a FRAUD????
the basic functionality of the G1 is compromised FOR NOTHING..... there are many times when the phone fails to wake up on incoming calls....
all the things that people are looking for here are things that should have been supported by the first release of G1.....
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dear BSDADON and all:
Iam here on this forum trying to find solutions and fixes for things and issues of the G1 that should NEVER have been issues to begin with. example: apps2sd;;;;; how come Tmo and Google sell the phone without this feature and with almost no internal memory????? and what is more funny is that they give you the market app??? where are we expected to install apps????
another example is the email client: they shipped the phone with email that does NOT work with exchange servers,,,,, and even when you find a server that is supported (POP3), then the only way you can empty the trash is to uninstall the application.... WTF ?????? isnt that a FRAUD????
the basic functionality of the G1 is compromised FOR NOTHING..... there are many times when the phone fails to wake up on incoming calls....
all the things that people are looking for here are things that should have been supported by the first release of G1.....
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Man... you should probably pop a valium or something. It's a phone, not genocide.
- internal memory. This is obviously a weakpoint, but it doesn't affect everyone equally. For example I only keep about a dozen apps installed at any given time. My guess is most users who have hundreds of apps installed are not using them all on a frequent basis.
- exchange email. First, you have to understand that the G1 is targeted firstly as a consumer device. Most consumers do not need exchange mail access. That said, there is nothing keeping Android implementers from adding exchange support if they wish, which is exactly what we're seeing HTC do now on some of their self-branded phones.
- incoming calls. I've never had my phone fail to wake or ring on an incoming call. Perhaps this is a network issue or you have a custom android build installed? Generally speaking the "stock" builds are very responsive to incoming calls. There is a thread in the dev subforum that roughly compares various builds and their incoming call alertness.
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dear BSDADON and all:
Iam here on this forum trying to find solutions and fixes for things and issues of the G1 that should NEVER have been issues to begin with. example: apps2sd;;;;; how come Tmo and Google sell the phone without this feature and with almost no internal memory????? and what is more funny is that they give you the market app??? where are we expected to install apps????
another example is the email client: they shipped the phone with email that does NOT work with exchange servers,,,,, and even when you find a server that is supported (POP3), then the only way you can empty the trash is to uninstall the application.... WTF ?????? isnt that a FRAUD????
the basic functionality of the G1 is compromised FOR NOTHING..... there are many times when the phone fails to wake up on incoming calls....
all the things that people are looking for here are things that should have been supported by the first release of G1.....
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Too bad you have so many issues with the G1.
How many apps do you have installed and how many do you actually use? I doubt most people have more than 30-40 apps installed that they used more than a few times. It has enough space for at least that many and probably more.
Not all phone support Exchange, in fact most don't. Even iphone didn't for a long time. Android does have the ability to use Exchange now if you have the right official or custom build. It is not 'fraud' when a feature is missing or overlooked. If you go overboard with how you describe issues, people won't take you seriously.
I have not read any issues with G1 being unresponsive on receiving calls on the official build. If you are having unresponsive functionality while using a custom build or any app that may be conflicting, then it is not a problem with the G1. I've experience slowness when I used the overclock app, but I had underclocked it to 128mhz. That was MY fault. If you are having problems with the official G1 build with no apps installed, than maybe it's time to talk to T-Mobile and get it replaced since nobody else has that problem.
In an ideal world, everything would be perfect on the first release. It's almost never that way. There are very few exception to this, but they are probably never always perfect either. I suppose NASA or Dept of Defense could get the first release to be perfect.. but DoD has over $700,000,000,000 budget. Also the phone would cost more than what most people would want to pay.. also it would take a long time to before it got released..
For me, as long as the is still workin its useful until something else catches my eyes.. but nothin haven't yet and there so much u can do with the g1.
EDIT- yea if there is atleast one dev still grindin the g1 will never die
I'm not going to answer certain inane rantings (see above), I only feel the need to say the following.
Look at the forum for the HTC wizard. It has seen very little traffic since 2008. On the other hand, I would advise people to keep their wizards rather than buy a newer phone, because of what we do here on XDA. It's making the software do incredible things that makes hacking what it is. It's what makes open source glorious. Personally, continually buying new things just because the hardware is better only supports the standard microsoft/apple/ibm/everyotherestablishedcompany method of releasing new hardware with primitive software implementations. Just look at what we've done with the dream so far:
Apps to SD
Media to SD
Root Access
Full CPU Scaling
VPN Access
Themes
Scripts
Volume Hacks
Faster Charge Times
Better WIFI and Bluetooth system integration....
the list goes on. And as long as the Dream remains the easiest android phone to root, it's going to keep extending.
Hello, so after seeing the reviews and videos of the much anticipated "Nexus One" phone or should I say "BEAST" of a phone we as G1 or Dream users are left to wonder, What do Android and HTC have for us in the future do they think about us? It seems that with better and faster more agile processors being released to such phones like the Nexus, future ROMs or mods will be too much for our limited G1's. It used to be if you wanted to run customized Roms then only you decided wether "Hard Soft SPL" "partitioning or not partitioning" and etc, now it seem that will be the only way to run these sick out of this world roms in the coming days, in the future of Android. Android 2.1 makes me think of the possibilities of technology in our century but also of the budget of our pocket money between deciding necessity or commodity. I saw a developer asking for help or donations to help him get a phone for test. I for one woul love to be able to donate but as it is economy status is "Force Close" in Androids Terms. Please comment on this if you'd like, Just a thought.
Everyone running CM could probably donate $0.50 and it would be enough to get him a Nexus One.
The only thing that isn't future proof with the DREAM is the douchebags at HTC failing to provide required source or at LEAST give us new proprietary binaries for our hardware.
The device doesn't have to be super duper newest latest greatest thing to run a new set of software. Just because GN1 happens to have the equivalent of an AMD Radeon R600 GPU (yes, it is even an AMD GPU built on that same architecture) doesn't mean that what Dream has can't chug through the work! We *have* a 3D GPU to handle the required visual effects. Maybe not as smooth, but it WILL DO IT! Compiz runs at 1600x1200 great on a crappy Intel GPU, which is architecturally INFERIOR to the GPU in the GN1!!! And Compiz does the same kind of effects! But we only need to worry about 320x480.
Android has and does run on a retardedly out of date Palm Treo 650. Not so good, but just to note, the difference between a Treo 650 and an HTC Dream is MUCH MUCH greater than the difference between an HTC DREAM and a GN1!
IT CAN BE DONE.
It HAS been done.
But the problem is with HTC! They don't have the same kind of respect for open source as AMD has (providing all required programming documentation, and quite a bit of labor, for open source drivers for GPUs up to and including R800).
The solution:
We need to reverse engineer (parts of) the proprietary binaries! And starting with the parts needed for the CAMERA.
We could possibly make this part functional by writing something as simple as a wrapper library to adapt the OLD camera library to meet the requirements of the NEW AOSP.
The compromise:
Maybe not all of the advanced coolness will work out, but that is the great thing about source code... it may not be necessary! Some stuff can be dumbed down to work.
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Everyone running CM could probably donate $0.50 and it would be enough to get him a Nexus One.
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How's that going to help with DREAM?
.50 cents?
If everyone gave Steve a penny then he could buy 2 Nexus Ones and a new snowboard. Everyone that uses CM, parts of CM, Recovery Image??? That has got to be at this point the Majority of Dream\Magic users. I wish there was a way to count.
Donate to Steve if you use anything of his. He is a great help to the community.
www.cyanogenmod.com
Guess we make the future.
With the source for the basic android freely available, it's up to Dream / G1 users to write their own future after the first 2 years are up.
If you're not a developer, then maybe this would be worth learning to do.....if not for this phone, then for your next one.
I'm thinking that in the 21st century, the truly free person will be able to grow their own food, build their own house...and write their own software.
At this point, not being able to write software is beginning to feel like not being able to read and write. Always relying on someone else to do it for you....and having NO CLUE if you can't do it for yourself. I don't like that feeling. I've started learning how to program: C / C++ and Java. Don't want to be useless or dependent.
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I'm thinking that in the 21st century, the truly free person will be able to grow their own food, build their own house...and write their own software.
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Looks like I'm all set then....
Hey all: what happens when you put the obsolete camera binary in a 2.0 image? Is it an unknown symbol error? If it is, then it might be easier to deal with than the general assumption!
Cyanogen already has the nexus one. he said hes not totally dropping support for g1/32B but I would expect the frequency of his updates will go down.
My one huge question in regards to the N1...
How is the battery?
Because the G1 is a wonderful phone... when you can use it.
Anyone have any idea how the N1's battery compares to G1 and iPhone?
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My one huge question in regards to the N1...
How is the battery?
Because the G1 is a wonderful phone... when you can use it.
Anyone have any idea how the N1's battery compares to G1 and iPhone?
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Coming from the g1 to nexus one as far as battery life is concerned is like night and day imo. When i wiped my phone on g1 i reinstalled all my apps i use, 96 total in market and on sdcard and had less than 40% battery left. I did the same with the nexus one to test the battery and when i was done it was down to 87%
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nexus one to test the battery and when i was done it was down to 87%
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See what does it tell you about the importance of battery life... that I see the Nexus One with all its shiny-ness and I think I'd like one... but not until hearing this comparison do I feel like "OMG NEED ONE NOW GIMME GIMME GIMME!"?
Haha..... G1's battery was its major weakness. I'd love to have a very similar phone with a GOOD battery.
I saw someone say that Nexus one wasn't able to sync the Calendar. Is this true? It may have just been a misleading statement... and I'm hoping so because I can't imagine Google making a newer, better phone that can't do a simple thing like keep your Gcalendar like G1 can.
Can you get all the same apps on Nexus one since it's Android?
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See what does it tell you about the importance of battery life... that I see the Nexus One with all its shiny-ness and I think I'd like one... but not until hearing this comparison do I feel like "OMG NEED ONE NOW GIMME GIMME GIMME!"?
Haha..... G1's battery was its major weakness. I'd love to have a very similar phone with a GOOD battery.
I saw someone say that Nexus one wasn't able to sync the Calendar. Is this true? It may have just been a misleading statement... and I'm hoping so because I can't imagine Google making a newer, better phone that can't do a simple thing like keep your Gcalendar like G1 can.
Can you get all the same apps on Nexus one since it's Android?
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My N1 can sync with calendar no problems. Some apps you cannot use yet because they do not support the newer Android 2.1 OS. Most apps have no problem with it. Thsoe that dont work will no doubt be updated by the developers once the Android 2.1 SDK will be released.
Yeah... I'm gonna want one. I will not get one until May more than likely because my contract with Tmobile won't run out til then but... that'd be alright. It gives me time to save up for it.
I wonder if you can get the n1 for contract price with Tmobile if you just sign upf or their $40/month unlimited web service.
Anyone else heard of this: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google Mobile/thread?tid=7154dabda82d872e&hl=en ?
Sounds like win to me...
Does anyone no if the apps on the Nexus one save to sd now?
no they do not. Google has confirmed though that in a future update they will.
so ...
here is my story ..
few months ago ..
i wanted to have HTC legend .. ( and i wish i did get it )
but somehow nokia's N8 showed up with 12 MP camera and Xenon flash and metal body and free GPS and HDMI and usb OTG and such a great surrounded sound technology ...FM transmitter ... these things are pretty much everything i need ..
now these things above ..
is really ... really usable for me ..
am so greatfull to have this phone ..
but there is 1 issue ...
it's using ... Symbian^3 OS
am pretty much crashed about android ..
i really wish that i've android 2.2 or at least 2.1 on my phone !
now is it possible ???
is there is anyone in the world that can make my dream come true by having fully functioned Android on my nokia 8 with the camera and the other things working very well ???
please some one help me am crashing to bad on android ...
and having it on my N8 will be like a dream phone for me ..
please make it real !!
or tell me where i can find someone who's capable of making it come true !
I'd say be ready to donate a LOT.
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what should i donate for ??
All of the time and sanity someone would have to use to make this possible. It would be pretty awesome though.
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Possible in theory, not in reality.
If you really want an android device, perhaps you can only buy one.
Someone would have to hack the boot loader on the N8, Get it stable enough so that it could flash custom roms, Then re-write all the drivers so that they work on Android & then flash Android OS onto the device.
Not saying its not possable but that's a LOT of work for one person to undertake.
Maybe better off selling your N8 & using the funds to buy an Android phone?
Sent from my Desire Z on Stock 2.2 (No Sense)
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Possible in theory, not in reality.
If you really want an android device, perhaps you can only buy one.
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if you read my topic .. i didn't ask for android device .. i asked for android system on my device casue i like the camera and hardware
your response is so not helpfull
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Someone would have to hack the boot loader on the N8, Get it stable enough so that it could flash custom roms, Then re-write all the drivers so that they work on Android & then flash Android OS onto the device.
Not saying its not possable but that's a LOT of work for one person to undertake.
Maybe better off selling your N8 & using the funds to buy an Android phone?
Sent from my Desire Z on Stock 2.2 (No Sense)
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thanks for your response but ...
i want my device ..
i like how strong is the hardware and i love the camera and the HDMI and such things !
as you said it's to much work for one person ..
where can i find a ... team ..
that is ready to make this come true ???
At this point I dont think you wouldn't be able to get a team OR maybe you could try recruiting one on your own (if you are not planning to do the work mentioned above on your own that is).
If not you could concetrate on the first step i.e. hacking the bootloader and then post here? Guess you would have more chances of getting others interest then.
Yeah really would be nice, but unless you find someone willing, and donate alot... not gonna happen in the near future.
Pretty sure you could find an Android phone with most or all of those features. Pay $20 for a metal case
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At this point I dont think you wouldn't be able to get a team OR maybe you could try recruiting one on your own (if you are not planning to do the work mentioned above on your own that is).
If not you could concetrate on the first step i.e. hacking the bootloader and then post here? Guess you would have more chances of getting others interest then.
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thanks but ... am not even a developer ..
i came to you guys to ask for help ...
isn't there good people around here ???
and actually team hyperX made a hack to reach system folders ..
so will the boadloader be hard to hack ???
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Yeah really would be nice, but unless you find someone willing, and donate alot... not gonna happen in the near future.
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am just looking around for help !
i mean ..
one of you guys made it real and hosted 2.3 android on galaxy S almost functioned and ready to be used i thought that what you guys do around here
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Pretty sure you could find an Android phone with most or all of those features. Pay $20 for a metal case
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still .. the phone is not as srong as this phone with a metal case .. i've dropped it about 3 times now from 1.5 - 2 meters and not even a scratch ..
and the 12 MP camera ... which android phone have that ??
and HDMI ?? Xenon flash ?? AV out ?
surrounded dobly ??
where can i find an android phones with these stats ??
please guys am ..
am just asking for N8 i just want my dream phone as hardware and my favorite OS as software combining to make the best phone ever !
can anyone of you make it real ?? please
It's not going to happen.
Also the Galaxy S already had Android running so the drivers were there, they just needed to be slightly modified for 2.3.
As for the N8, it's never had Android so it pretty much means working with stock Android and reverse engineering everything to work which summarised like that is over-simplified...
It's just not worth the work.
If you want a phone the way you want it, check this out:
http://synapse-phones.com/
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thanks but ... am not even a developer ..
i came to you guys to ask for help ...
isn't there good people around here ???
and actually team hyperX made a hack to reach system folders ..
so will the boadloader be hard to hack ???
am just looking around for help !
i mean ..
one of you guys made it real and hosted 2.3 android on galaxy S almost functioned and ready to be used i thought that what you guys do around here
still .. the phone is not as srong as this phone with a metal case .. i've dropped it about 3 times now from 1.5 - 2 meters and not even a scratch ..
and the 12 MP camera ... which android phone have that ??
and HDMI ?? Xenon flash ?? AV out ?
surrounded dobly ??
where can i find an android phones with these stats ??
please guys am ..
am just asking for N8 i just want my dream phone as hardware and my favorite OS as software combining to make the best phone ever !
can anyone of you make it real ?? please
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No one is going to take on a project like this. It would be a boat load of work and there's no demand for it.
As for the specs: HMDI, there are Android phones w/ HDMI (EVO for example).
12MP camera and Xenon flash? Are you serious? If you really NEED that kind of firepower maybe you should get a real camera b/c there's no way any amateur needs those specs and no real photographer is going to rely on his CELL PHONE to take pix.
AV out - for audio you can use the headphone jack. For video, seriously, you don't have something better to watch videos on that you need to output from your phone to a TV?
Dolby Surround? Are you effin' kidding me? This doesn't even warrant a response.
These are ridiculous, over-spec'd TOYS! And I'm sure if you poll the majority of the people on this forum you'd see that it's something that's "cool to have" but they would be underutilized. It's fluff to get people to buy their Symbian crap and apparently it worked... And now you're wishing for an Android "system, not phone."
Maybe I'm coming off as rude here but seriously, your Nokia sounded like an impulse buy - you saw the specs and you bought your brick.
Sell it, get an Android phone.
In addition, many people here, including myself, are running custom ROMs and some can't even utilize all of their phones features (HDMI, 4G, etc.) and are perfectly happy with it...
I know how you feel about wanting specific hardware with specific software/firmware (I've been in those situations) but these are massive projects that no one is going to attempt. And if someone does, they're a better man than I...
I'm assuming you're not in the US b/c no one here would force a relic like Nokia/Symbian upon you.. A phone and OS past their prime and I don't get the hype it gets overseas..
/rant
typeadam said:
No one is going to take on a project like this. It would be a boat load of work and there's no demand for it.
As for the specs: HMDI, there are Android phones w/ HDMI (EVO for example).
12MP camera and Xenon flash? Are you serious? If you really NEED that kind of firepower maybe you should get a real camera b/c there's no way any amateur needs those specs and no real photographer is going to rely on his CELL PHONE to take pix.
AV out - for audio you can use the headphone jack. For video, seriously, you don't have something better to watch videos on that you need to output from your phone to a TV?
Dolby Surround? Are you effin' kidding me? This doesn't even warrant a response.
These are ridiculous, over-spec'd TOYS! And I'm sure if you poll the majority of the people on this forum you'd see that it's something that's "cool to have" but they would be underutilized. It's fluff to get people to buy their Symbian crap and apparently it worked... And now you're wishing for an Android "system, not phone."
Maybe I'm coming off as rude here but seriously, your Nokia sounded like an impulse buy - you saw the specs and you bought your brick.
Sell it, get an Android phone.
In addition, many people here, including myself, are running custom ROMs and some can't even utilize all of their phones features (HDMI, 4G, etc.) and are perfectly happy with it...
I know how you feel about wanting specific hardware with specific software/firmware (I've been in those situations) but these are massive projects that no one is going to attempt. And if someone does, they're a better man than I...
I'm assuming you're not in the US b/c no one here would force a relic like Nokia/Symbian upon you.. A phone and OS past their prime and I don't get the hype it gets overseas..
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first of all ... am not a photographer ..
i love taking photos .. a lot !
2nd ..
am talking about Dolby Surround while recording a video ..
3rd yes i am serious and these things are what i use a lot in my daily life and why don't have them in small handset ???
why do i get camera + HDMI device + phone ???
why they all can't be 1 device ..
now common dude ..
i can't change my phone cause i all ready used it for like a month and the price went down almost 100$ ... am not some kind of wealthy assholes ...
i can't afford selling it and buy android ..
now
all i asked for is .. can anyone make this possible ???
you can simply answer me with No you don't have to make me feel guilty about my choice ..
thanks anyway
now **** my life some mod close this please ..
no one is trying to help ..
they all blaming me for getting a nokia phone now common i am an android fan if nokia fails with the software that's not my freaking fault you don't blame me guys i love the hardware and i thought you may be able to make the software ...
all i got is freaking sell your phone ...
dammit people !
i'll have to leave with the freaking fool's symbian ...
thanks for every single response anyway ...
someone delete or close this topic !
Cenarius44 said:
first of all ... am not a photographer ..
i love taking photos .. a lot !
2nd ..
am talking about Dolby Surround while recording a video ..
3rd yes i am serious and these things are what i use a lot in my daily life and why don't have them in small handset ???
why do i get camera + HDMI device + phone ???
why they all can't be 1 device ..
now common dude ..
i can't change my phone cause i all ready used it for like a month and the price went down almost 100$ ... am not some kind of wealthy assholes ...
i can't afford selling it and buy android ..
now
all i asked for is .. can anyone make this possible ???
you can simply answer me with No you don't have to make me feel guilty about my choice ..
thanks anyway
now **** my life some mod close this please ..
no one is trying to help ..
they all blaming me for getting a nokia phone now common i am an android fan if nokia fails with the software that's not my freaking fault you don't blame me guys i love the hardware and i thought you may be able to make the software ...
all i got is freaking sell your phone ...
dammit people !
i'll have to leave with the freaking fool's symbian ...
thanks for every single response anyway ...
someone delete or close this topic !
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First of all, don't say "**** my life" - there's a lot more to life than cell phones and I only know that all too well...
Second, don't get angry at me. I'm nobody to you. Just ignore me and my comments, this is only an internet forum. Take advice with a grain of salt because most likely no one here can help you unfortunately, so they'll just offer up opinions.
Wasn't trying to make you feel guilty, my apologies. But what you're asking for is extremely unlikely and difficult. AND from your OP it does sound like it was an impulse buy BECAUSE the Nokia had a lot of "features" AND you just called Symbian a "fool's Symbian" so you knew what you were getting into.
I'm sorry but there's a lot of people who buy with their hearts, not with their heads and it bites them in the ass.
Had you done proper research (and maybe you did, I don't know) but I think you would have ended up w/ an Android.
Almost 2 years ago I was moments away from buying an iPhone but I decided to give Android a chance because I did A LOT of reading and research about it and I was convinced that in the long run it would prove more valuable to me than an iPhone. Now almost 2 years later, I'm so glad I did all that reading and research b/c I would never buy an iPhone now! Just a comparison...
And as for the hardware of that Nokia, I'm still not convinced all that stuff is necessary. I have HDMI - never used it. I have 4G - never used it even though it's available here in New York City. I have an 8MP camera - most I ever use (and rarely) is 5MP b/c 8MP is needlessly huge.
Sell your phone on eBay - I've always had success selling used phones there for good money. And you said it's only 1 month old and a popular, feature-rich model.
Good luck...
I´m not going to enter in the childlish discussion of wether you should get or not an android phone for that. The n8 has its pros and cons against android. It has a great hardware but it has symbian... god knows that if it had android that would be my actual phone... but nokia´s pride made me join the other side
Coming back to what you ask. I don´t see it possible in the near future, but if the n8 had come with maemo or meego instead of symbian probably there would be people working on it.
I would suggest you to go to the NITdroid forum to ask, just google nitdroid. They ported android for the n800 and n900(both nokia maemo devices). I have not checked that forum in a while, maybe they are working on it already, maybe they are not even thinking about it. But if you want to talk to a team that might consither doing it i think that is your best shot.
...oy.... listen mate.... no disrespect but you are the one not getting it.... everyone here is being perfectly reasonable and is actually trying to give you the best advice they can.... I'll try and break things down though....
I can definitely relate when you say that you love a piece of hardware but wish the OS was different...I was in the exact same boat with my Nokia E71... LOVED the phone itself...but Symbian was just horrid.... Here is why people are giving you "mean replies"....
What you are asking for is *technically* possible.... but it is a LOT of work.... As described above you'd have to make a stable bootloader, flash the rom and then re-write all of the drivers.... this takes time, effort and money (it's not unlikely that you'd probably brick a few N8s in the process).... The problem is that right now you are more or less the only one interested in this project.... Other projects like running Android on the iPhone are coming along because there is a huge market of iphone users who would like to play with android on their phone as well as a market of android users who like apple hardware... some of these people are devs who want this to happen bad enough that they are willing to contribute their time. Other people who are not as technically inclined but have a bit of extra cash are contributing by donating to official projects who have showed progress. The key difference between the Android on iPhone and the Android on N8 project is that there is a demand for the iPhone project. If there was a 10 page thread full of people saying "hey listen I'm interested in this".... something might happen.... but even with the iPhone development, its a *slow* process. In a nutshell the people who do have the skill to pull this off are limited, and you are asking them to devote hours and hours of their time into a project they aren't interested in for no monetary or any other type of compensation other than maybe a Thank You.
The reason people were able to port Gingerbread onto the Samsung so quickly is because for starters, the Samsung was already designed to run an Android OS so a lot of the groundwork was already done. The hardware was made to be compatible with (and more or less) function with the stock OS. Devs have already had experience working with both the OS and the device. It's kinda like trying to fit an engine into a car. Is it possible to squeeze a new BMW M3 engine into a Volvo? Sure..... But it's much much easier to squeeze it into lets say an older BMW 3 Series.... especially if the mechanics you are talking to specialize in BMWs...
As for people giving you flack for the features... Most of them do have a point... The HDMI out is a valid feature someone might want for various reasons, but other android phones have this feature as well...same for the FM tuner.... As for the camera, 12MP is great on paper... but here is the thing. 1) Unless you are blowing these images up to poster size, a 5 or 8 mp camera will do just as well.... I have a Nexus One and I love the pics it takes.... megapixels start becoming somewhat irrelevant after a certain point because the increase in pixels doesn't necessarily improve the quality that much. It becomes more of a spec for manufactures to advertise. Things such as lense size and the size of the sensor have a much greater input on the quality of your image (the bigger the lense the more light it lets in, the bigger the size of the CMOS ship the more sensetive the camera is). These are 2 things phones struggle with because of physical limitations... there is only so much you can squeeze into a phone. Would you see a difference between a 12mp DSLR and an 8mp DSLR? of course.... an 8mp phone or a 12mp phone? not so much....
Solid construction is always a winner.... nothing wrong with loving a phone for that... its one of the reasons why I loved my E71....
As for the "dolby" sound.... you run into a similar problem as the camera... its more of a "on paper" thing.... the reality is that the mics that go into these phones are alright for talking, but are nowhere *near* the quality you would get (or need) for a legitimate camera. The mics aren't tuned, and due to the tiny diaphrams you pretty much get no frequency response on the low end. Also if by Dolby you mean the phone records in surround sound... that is a whole other nightmare... you start getting into a phasing issues and what not... if it just means that it's certified by Dolby... it mostly just means that Nokia paid Dolby some change, got them to maybe tweak things a bit but for the most part just bought the rights to slap their logo on the phone... you *might* here marginally better recordings... key words are might and marginally...
As for the flash.... people usually curse and blink repeatedly if my N1s flash decides to go off... most phones today have more than adequet flashes for the cameras they are equipped with.
So to sort of wind this essay up... we're not trying to be assholes.... you asked a question...
can porting Android onto the N8 be done? yes....
is it worth the effort? unless demand skyrockets or you are willing to hire a dev and pay him for his work.... no
Than what are your options? Either do the best you can with Symbian until your contract runs out and/or you can afford a new phone.... or look at your budget, sell the N8 and pick up a droid.
People simply gave you their opinions as to what the best option is (which the overwhelming majority thinks is selling and getting a new phone), and why they believe this would be a good purchase. (ie: why a lot of the "features" on the N8 aren't really "features"). Hope this helped. Good luck. Peace,
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Just my two cents, from a guy who came to Android from Symbian.
Maybe you should have asked for help before you bought the phone. It would have been a lot easier to help you at that point. It's not that people here do not want to help you, but there is not a lot that we can help you with. Answer this, what exactly are you wishing to gain from getting Android on your phone. If its a better UI try SPB Mobile Shell, it definitely made my Symbian 1 (5800 Xpressmusic) phone more bearable. If it's usability, there are many apps to help you out, and the numbers are slowly growing. I really can't see what would make this project worth the effort. Symbian 3 is not a very bad OS, although it's not one of the best.
Also, if you are going to ask for help you have to be open to suggestions and you would definitely have to give more details as to what you want to gain; there is always more than one way to handle problem. We all are trying to help but you have to help us help you, and stop getting upset because we give reasons why it's not possible and/or worth it.
This thread is hilarious.
Dude I was just thinking the same thing
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Firstly, I'm NOT a Developer - I want to make that very clear
I have been trying to get data/info about what ever happened to the Original Samsung Galaxy S4 'TouchWiz'
Camera feature/ability to be able to 'Simultaneously' record videos (not talking about taking pictures here)
with both the front and back cameras on the phone.
This question has been asked before by a very very very small number of people on the net including in XDA
developers forums, However these questions only have been asked on forums relating to NEXUS phones/devices.
When i originally bought my S4 (second hand) i used the recording feature, i absolutely love it, i think it it brilliant,
it is one of the reasons why the S4 has such appeal for me.
I later upgraded to CyanogenMod, because of privacy concerns relating to Samsungs Involvement with the NSA over
their KNOX security.
The OS seemed fine to me, but this security concern was the basis of WHY i moved over to CyanogenMod.
Then i found out, that CyanogenMod does NOT Support the Dual Camera feature.
I contacted Samsung, and they told me that the Camera app was not really an app at all, but was in fact part of the OS itself.
But remember, the Genuine Samsung Galaxy is actually model number GT-i9500, which uses the Exynos Chip, unlike the Samsung Galaxy S4
variant known as the S4 LTE GT-i9505, which uses the Qualcom Chipset.
It has also been said by some XDA developers, that Samsungs 'TouchWiz' is not Open Source, it is Closed Source.
Well belonging to the company, this is no surprise, I'll also bet that it is probably Patented as well.
I say, so what ?, CyanogenMod does NOT need the original samsung 'TouchWiz' code, it only needs to know the HardwareSpecs of the Qualcom
Chip, then programming/developing can begin.
The S4 is already Superceeded by the S5 (and any possible variant(s) of that), i feel that the GT-i9505 is getting left out of the picture.
Are there any answers to this mystery ???
The7Suggester said:
Firstly, I'm NOT a Developer - I want to make that very clear
I have been trying to get data/info about what ever happened to the Original Samsung Galaxy S4 'TouchWiz'
Camera feature/ability to be able to 'Simultaneously' record videos (not talking about taking pictures here)
with both the front and back cameras on the phone.
This question has been asked before by a very very very small number of people on the net including in XDA
developers forums, However these questions only have been asked on forums relating to NEXUS phones/devices.
When i originally bought my S4 (second hand) i used the recording feature, i absolutely love it, i think it it brilliant,
it is one of the reasons why the S4 has such appeal for me.
I later upgraded to CyanogenMod, because of privacy concerns relating to Samsungs Involvement with the NSA over
their KNOX security.
The OS seemed fine to me, but this security concern was the basis of WHY i moved over to CyanogenMod.
Then i found out, that CyanogenMod does NOT Support the Dual Camera feature.
I contacted Samsung, and they told me that the Camera app was not really an app at all, but was in fact part of the OS itself.
But remember, the Genuine Samsung Galaxy is actually model number GT-i9500, which uses the Exynos Chip, unlike the Samsung Galaxy S4
variant known as the S4 LTE GT-i9505, which uses the Qualcom Chipset.
It has also been said by some XDA developers, that Samsungs 'TouchWiz' is not Open Source, it is Closed Source.
Well belonging to the company, this is no surprise, I'll also bet that it is probably Patented as well.
I say, so what ?, CyanogenMod does NOT need the original samsung 'TouchWiz' code, it only needs to know the HardwareSpecs of the Qualcom
Chip, then programming/developing can begin.
The S4 is already Superceeded by the S5 (and any possible variant(s) of that), i feel that the GT-i9505 is getting left out of the picture.
Are there any answers to this mystery ???
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What mystery? That Cyanogen doesn't offer the ability to record with the front and back cameras at the same time?
That's not a mystery. It's that only 1 person out of a million would ever want to do that so no one is devoting their development time to integrating that feature.
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Skipjacks said:
What mystery? That Cyanogen doesn't offer the ability to record with the front and back cameras at the same time?
That's not a mystery. It's that only 1 person out of a million would ever want to do that so no one is devoting their development time to integrating that feature.
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I'm afraid I'm not completely sure i know what you mean?
Do you mean that there would only be 1 Developer out of a million who would use this feature, and therefore no support would be actioned for this ?
OR do you mean that in your opinion there are hardly any people who would own a phone like the S4 that would want to use this feature.
Why would anyone *NOT* want to do this. It's fun for one thing.
Maybe I've made a mistake but, i thought that one of the things that XDA devs were all about, was trying to fix or patch areas on OS's
where the mainstream had overlooked, and especially about importing and bringing new features about to free OS's such as CyanogenMod.
Could you please clarify i bit more carefully about, this.
Skipjacks said:
What mystery? That Cyanogen doesn't offer the ability to record with the front and back cameras at the same time?
That's not a mystery. It's that only 1 person out of a million would ever want to do that so no one is devoting their development time to integrating that feature.
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You are pretty close minded even though I don't use that feature myself.
V-bloggers love using that feature.
But I do agree with you. AOSP is suppose to provide a clean experience
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Thank you for backing me up on this issue
MrAndroid12 said:
You are pretty close minded even though I don't use that feature myself.
V-bloggers love using that feature.
But I do agree with you. AOSP is suppose to provide a clean experience
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The insults aren't needed.
I stated a fact. There is not enough desire for this feature for developers to devote time to coding it instead of coding something else that is more heavily requested.
If there were a strong desire for it developers would be looking to fill that need.
But there are alternate methods to getting this feature...like using touchwiz. So there aren't many devs who want to spend time coding a little used feature that is already available elsewhere. Especially one they don't intend to use themselves, and not when there are more popular mods that people are asking for in droves like gps fixes and updated kernels and theme manager fixes.
Keep insulting me if you like for telling it like it is. But this is the simple reason why this feature hasnt been widely developed.
If the OP really wants to do this on an AOSP rom, he can learn how to develop. Many many many people here learned how to code specifically to create a feature they wanted.
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The insults aren't needed.
I stated a fact. There is not enough desire for this feature for developers to devote time to coding it instead of coding something else that is more heavily requested.
If there were a strong desire for it developers would be looking to fill that need.
But there are alternate methods to getting this feature...like using touchwiz. So there aren't many devs who want to spend time coding a little used feature that is already available elsewhere. Especially one they don't intend to use themselves, and not when there are more popular mods that people are asking for in droves like gps fixes and updated kernels and theme manager fixes.
Keep insulting me if you like for telling it like it is. But this is the simple reason why this feature hasnt been widely developed.
If the OP really wants to do this on an AOSP rom, he can learn how to develop. Many many many people here learned how to code specifically to create a feature they wanted.
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I didn't really back him up or said you were an insult.
I said that AOSP rooms should be free of non Google modifications.
But I am just telling you again that there are probably more than a million in one desiring for that feature because some people like to v-blog
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The insults aren't needed.
I stated a fact. There is not enough desire for this feature for developers to devote time to coding it instead of coding something else that is more heavily requested.
If there were a strong desire for it developers would be looking to fill that need.
But there are alternate methods to getting this feature...like using touchwiz. So there aren't many devs who want to spend time coding a little used feature that is already available elsewhere. Especially one they don't intend to use themselves, and not when there are more popular mods that people are asking for in droves like gps fixes and updated kernels and theme manager fixes.
Keep insulting me if you like for telling it like it is. But this is the simple reason why this feature hasnt been widely developed.
If the OP really wants to do this on an AOSP rom, he can learn how to develop. Many many many people here learned how to code specifically to create a feature they wanted.
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OK, Fine your point is now made.
But just remember, at least on the Samsung series of phones, the S1, S2, and S3 did NOT have this feature, the S4 was the first phone by Samsung to have this feature, and the S5 is now officially the 'Flag Ship' phone for Samsung.
As with continued development of multi-media standards, i.e. 4K for a start now available on the Sony Experia Z2 phone for one,
the demand for ever increasing video recording features and abilities will continue to increase, so it would not really surprise me, if later
on this feature were to start appearing in later makes & models of phones down the line.
You really have to consider what % of people will even know or find out about free AOSP OS's like CyanogenMod, for one thing,
and even then what % of those people will even upgrade to such OS's.
The demand for Dual Camera Video Recording will probably go up and up amongst the general populace of phone users.
Right now the demands are other things, things like theme development, bug fixes, etc.
Having ones 'foot-in-the-door-now' so to speak, could be a worth while investment for later on.
Sure the demand NOW is very little, but if devs wait till later on to do this, then when the demands get bigger (presumably with newer
models of phones), devs will be flooded with all sorts of bugs to have to sort out on all the different OS types and versions,
- while the demand is great -, thats a lot of pressure on devs, which would also slow down development in other areas.
I think now, i have made my point. While this does sound purely like an argument just so i can gain something for myself - it's for ALL other people. I dont and cannot claim to represent what people in the world who own phones want. But logic sais that if i want this, then there are lots of people in the world who want this, just because XDA devs have not heard of such people, does not mean that they dont exist.
Besides I'm talking about being able to record video with 2 cameras at the same time, is that really such a grand feat ?,
Hell the XPrivacy program i use that XDA devs made was a Major Feat, Dual Camera support cant be THAT difficult to implement.
As for your other comments:
"But there are alternate methods to getting this feature...like using touchwiz." - well i think i already explained why i went to CyanogenMod in
the first place.
"If the OP really wants to do this on an AOSP rom, he can learn how to develop. Many many many people here learned how to code specifically to create a feature they wanted.[/QUOTE]" - Actually when i was a kid i programmed BASIC, but i have brain damage due to seizures affecting
my long and short term memory, so sorry, your claim that any OP can program is incorrect.
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Your point made? I still don't even know what your point is.
Look, I get that this feature is important to you. But that does not mean that it's important to a large percentage of everyone else.
The Samsung AirView features are far more requested to be ported to AOSP roms but even then the demand is so small compared to the demand for things like floating windows, hover notifications, theming fixes, Knox workarounds, etc. No devs even want to tackle the AirView features, which get asked about at least once a week on the various S4 forums, because there isn't enough demand. And there's even less demand for simultaneous duel camera use.
In the years I've been here this is the first time I've ever heard of a request for simultaneous duel camera use. And I read nearly every post here nearly every day. So while I appreciate that this feature is something that's really important to you, it's just not in high demand.
And there is zero incentive to develop it now before it becomes high demand later. There's no money to be made in rom modding. If people suddenly want this feature down the road it'll get developed then. There is no early investment incentive in this. Phone modding is a hobby. Like fishing or model trains. We do it for fun, not for money.
As for the difficulty of simultaneous duel camera use...yes, it could be THAT hard to develop. It's not just an app. Something like this that controls 2 pieces of hardware at once would have to be coded into the kernel. And while kernel tweaking is fairly common, completely new kernel features are scarce because it's a very limited number of people who can do it. (And the stock kernel is closed source so it's not like the code can just be lifted from the Samsung version)
Second, once you had the ability to do it in the kernel you'd need an app that could take advantage of the support. You couldn't use the stock camera. You'd need something new. So that's a second layer of development. So this isn't a quick 1 hour project. It's a lot of hours that someone would have to put into it, for something that isn't being asked for very much.
This is the reason it's not being done yet. Don't be mad at me for giving you the honest answer.
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Your point made? I still don't even know what your point is.
Look, I get that this feature is important to you. But that does not mean that it's important to a large percentage of everyone else.
The Samsung AirView features are far more requested to be ported to AOSP roms but even then the demand is so small compared to the demand for things like floating windows, hover notifications, theming fixes, Knox workarounds, etc. No devs even want to tackle the AirView features, which get asked about at least once a week on the various S4 forums, because there isn't enough demand. And there's even less demand for simultaneous duel camera use.
In the years I've been here this is the first time I've ever heard of a request for simultaneous duel camera use. And I read nearly every post here nearly every day. So while I appreciate that this feature is something that's really important to you, it's just not in high demand.
And there is zero incentive to develop it now before it becomes high demand later. There's no money to be made in rom modding. If people suddenly want this feature down the road it'll get developed then. There is no early investment incentive in this. Phone modding is a hobby. Like fishing or model trains. We do it for fun, not for money.
As for the difficulty of simultaneous duel camera use...yes, it could be THAT hard to develop. It's not just an app. Something like this that controls 2 pieces of hardware at once would have to be coded into the kernel. And while kernel tweaking is fairly common, completely new kernel features are scarce because it's a very limited number of people who can do it. (And the stock kernel is closed source so it's not like the code can just be lifted from the Samsung version)
Second, once you had the ability to do it in the kernel you'd need an app that could take advantage of the support. You couldn't use the stock camera. You'd need something new. So that's a second layer of development. So this isn't a quick 1 hour project. It's a lot of hours that someone would have to put into it, for something that isn't being asked for very much.
This is the reason it's not being done yet. Don't be mad at me for giving you the honest answer.
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"And there is zero incentive to develop it now before it becomes high demand later. There's no money to be made in rom modding. If people suddenly want this feature down the road it'll get developed then. There is no early investment incentive in this. Phone modding is a hobby. Like fishing or model trains. We do it for fun, not for money."
Well i think that everything i said above are _VALID POINTS_ points i would have though would have been important enough for XDA devs to consider.
It seems to me that there simply is TOO MUCH demand on the XDA devs in general.
"There's no money to be made in rom modding."
As for 'INVESTMENTS' - I did _NOT_ mention business or money making at all - I meant your investment in coding/programming, your time put into work.
"There is no early investment incentive in this. Phone modding is a hobby. Like fishing or model trains. We do it for fun, not for money."
Well, i guess i will have to turn to people i CAN pay money to, to make it more 'worthwhile' for minority's such as myself, if not a dev.
Ben.
The7Suggester said:
Well, i guess i will have to turn to people i CAN pay money to, to make it more 'worthwhile' for minority's such as myself, if not a dev.
Ben.
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Nothing wrong with that! Try to find a group of likeminded people who want this on AOSP and put a bounty together to offer to a developer.