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Just wondering? I'm playing with the thought of selling my Touch HD. Getting a bit tired of Windows Mobile. Anyone else?
But I'm asking myself, if I can live with the smaller screen and lower resolution?
Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
trice1921 said:
Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
I moved to Android Hero on release day last week.
I sent the Android back on Monday and am back on winmob.
There are (currently) apps and 'things' that Android cannot do to the same quality as winmob. I don't for a minute think that situation will be like that forever, but, atm, Satnav is not as good on Android. Syncing is not as good on Android. I missed the hardware keyboard (not a prob for an ex-touch HD user of course )
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I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
I moved to Android Hero on release day last week.
I sent the Android back on Monday and am back on winmob.
There are (currently) apps and 'things' that Android cannot do to the same quality as winmob. I don't for a minute think that situation will be like that forever, but, atm, Satnav is not as good on Android. Syncing is not as good on Android. I missed the hardware keyboard (not a prob for an ex-touch HD user of course )
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I have TomTom on my touch hd but i think i've used it once so satnav software shouldn't be an issue. You mention syncing, what do you mean?
Thanks for the input.
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I have TomTom on my touch hd but i think i've used it once so satnav software shouldn't be an issue. You mention syncing, what do you mean?
Thanks for the input.
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HTC Sync is not the best.. well.. its crap.
I sync with Googlemail though, always have and then I have an app on my computer which syncs with Outlook and Googlemail, so don't need to plug the phone in, I have no issues!
CoPilot is a good piece of kit, IF you have bought it. The pirate versions have many many flaws in it, so I presume this is what you mean by that? Obviously TomTom has been around a bit longer so had many years to get its quirks out of its system, I remember it on Symbian and my old XDA II, it was pants then, but nice now.
Just moved from many years on WinMo to Android and I'll give it that, its different. There are some things it won't do as good as a WinMo device, but other things it will excel on. But lets face it, its different, its not WinMo, its not Apple, hence why I want it, something different.
Not everyone will want it, but I've had a Touch HD and moved to a TP2 (0.2" screen difference) then moved to this and its fine, screen size is spot on for me, no complaints at all.
I bought Copilot on Friday night and tested it on a purely vanilla Android config. Nothing else installed. It crashed each time I exited. It also did not have my second tested postcode in it. Thankfully the refund function on Android marketplace worked very well, otherwise that would have been another £25.99 wasted.
More serious was the crashing though. Just kept locking up when I exited the app.
I too run Outlook sync>googlemail on my PC. But, for contracts this is a convoluted process of exporting to a .csv > gmail. It's a kludge and not good. The calendar via gmail syncs well but not the contacts. Pretty basic stuff and should be resolved at first hit and capable locally.
Under Vista, HTC sync hardly works, it's pointless being there. All these issues are exactly why apple is sewing up the market. Their stuff is much more user friendly. I have never had an iphone and probably never will, but fundamental issues that affect the user experience such as the ability to sync are essential for the success of a phone. As I was used to Activesync in Winmob land and that worked seamlessly, why would anyone struggle with an equivalent that doesn't work?
Hero displays a great insight to the future of open phone OSs. It's really exciting to experience. When the flaws are resolved I will be back on board for sure
My main problem is the size of the on-screen keyboard. I've been using palm-held devices to write for years now, so the keys on the Hero are just too damned small. If an Android handset came out with a display the same size as the HD, I would be very tempted. If there's an application on the Market that lets you actually edit Word-type files...
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Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I did - but I still have the WM device but am not using. I am bored of WM for now. I will continue to use android as its a fresh and exciting to try something new and a great change, which ill get even better when I start customising the device more.
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I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
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Seriously! nine years?
I presume you include your Pocket PC experience with that as WM has only be out six
ive been using windows since the original SPV. I've pretty much had every device ever released from HTC. Just sold my HD and got the Hero - I dont think I will be going back to windows again - unless something spectacular happens in Windows 7!
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Seriously! nine years?
I presume you include your Pocket PC experience with that as WM has only be out six
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Yep, PPC as well as. I am pwoppa old school (just old really!)
I always had a soft spot for the SP5. I still have one of those and it gets use when I am on a night out, ie, more portable but still carrying the details I need.
Thats the way I feel winwiz, so do other people I know fortunate enough to have the G1.
I have been using a PDA since Apple's newton days and progressed to my first PocketPC in 2000 (Compaq) and on to my first WM device which was the SPV M600 (HTC Prophet) which is still in use now. The Trinity was next SPV M700 (also still in use) and then last year I got a Hong Kong version of the Diamond.
During my time with these devices the experience has nearly been the same thanks to the user interface. The Hero and android is a welcome change, although there are things I will miss with WM - I look forward to the further developments of the Android OS and the missing things with WM will soon appear in one form or another.
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the missing things with WM will soon appear in one form or another.
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That is for sure. These are exciting times.
They need a direct sync for Outlook Contacts, call me crazy but I don't trust Google with my contact data and personally I don't like anyone else sharing my contact information with them or anyone else. Once you give them that data for free it's theirs, I'm not looking for complete anonymity but sharing my contact information is just a step away from giving them my checkbook, tax information and SSN. They have a really cool service and it's "free"... too bad people aren't taking account of what they are actually paying.
Rant /off
I am looking very seriously at getting a Hero though, I've had the Star Trek for quite a few years... (got it running WM6.1 now) and while cool. I'm looking forward to messing with Andriod and seeing what happens with the development of Andriod Apps/Utils in the community.
i had the touch hd and tytn 2 and they are all top notch phones....for me tho winmo phones are very precise in getting whatver you want done fast and efficeintly but they lack and excitement or fun while using them. hero i feel has just about put the two together making it enjoyable but efficient. dnt think i could go back to winmo and be happy about it....... the difference in screen size for me isnt really an issue i get on fine with smaller and th ehtc hero offers 3 different keyboard layouts for those who are used to a hard keyboard. obviously personal opinion differs but mines thumbs up to android......give it a go.....you only live once!
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Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I was using 4 HTC WM smartphones over the past years. i got bored after a month with my htc diamond so i sold it and buyed a nokia e71 (symbian). Used it till now. In a few days my HTC Hero will be delivered.
I am certain that Android and HTC fit together very good and its getting the only competitive platform beside the iphone os.
menov321 said:
i had the touch hd and tytn 2 and they are all top notch phones....for me tho winmo phones are very precise in getting whatver you want done fast and efficeintly but they lack and excitement or fun while using them. hero i feel has just about put the two together making it enjoyable but efficient. dnt think i could go back to winmo and be happy about it....... the difference in screen size for me isnt really an issue i get on fine with smaller and th ehtc hero offers 3 different keyboard layouts for those who are used to a hard keyboard. obviously personal opinion differs but mines thumbs up to android......give it a go.....you only live once!
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Ok, screen size is my main apprehension. If that works out, maybe I'm going to get a hero.
I have a Touch HD and have been considering a switch to Hero. The main thing that stops me is that I rely on a couple of Java apps that run under Winmo but wont run on Hero. For the rest, I think the trade offs are probably worth it.
Rip HD. Sort of.
Just got my Hero(HD's going to the wife) and like any other device out there at the moment(and probably forever, sadly) it is not perfect. Having said that, I don't think I'll miss my HD that much.
That's exactly what i've done. Sold my hd and now waiting for my hero to arrive - hopefully tomorrow. Then il report back to say If I think it was worth it.
I much prefer the look of android tho.
I'm in the same boat as you guys - thinking about trading my HD in for a Hero. As soon as I saw how good Android was, I had been desperately hoping someone would port Android to the HD, but that as it doesn't look like that will happen now, I think I might take the plunge for a Hero.
Of course, like all of you, my main concerns are with the screen, and also the on screen keyboard. I'm using FingeKeyboard 2.1 on WM and it's fantastic, I doubt HTCs keyboard on the Hero will come close.
That said, I'm bored of winmo, and I organise everything online through google anyway, so switching to Android seems to make sense. I also like the idea of an app store, and whilst MS is slowly working on that, I'd rather have something run by google instead of MS.
Guess I should take the plunge!
I know for many this sounds stupid and copletely unnecessary to do because android is so awesome ;P
but i was just wondering if its possible?
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j
Well, there's something that lets you dual-boot WinMo and Android on a WM device, optimized for 6.5. Dunno about the other way around, though.
dear sweet lord above, why would you pollute this device with winmo?
your right it is stupid ! winmo sucks !
see those answers are exactly what i was trying to avoid
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Well, there's something that lets you dual-boot WinMo and Android on a WM device, optimized for 6.5. Dunno about the other way around, though.
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yea i have that on my old i900 but i dont think it works the other way around, cheers tho
This has been asked once or twice before and the conversations just do not end well. It might be possible but it would require quite a bit of low level work, the bootloader (or whatever it is called in embedded systems) being a significant hurdle in and of itself. If you want winmo you are far better off going with an HD2 or waiting till something else comes out.
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This has been asked once or twice before and the conversations just do not end well. It might be possible but it would require quite a bit of low level work, the bootloader (or whatever it is called in embedded systems) being a significant hurdle in and of itself. If you want winmo you are far better off going with an HD2 or waiting till something else comes out.
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ok cool, thank you very much for your reply
cheers
i wouldnt mind dual booting in WinMo 6.5 or better yet to iPhone OS (to get all the good apps)
I'll probably through winmo7 on my nexus when it comes out.
wow, ANOTHER thread on this....
Wmware is releasing mvp soon. It runs on windows ce now but they are making it for android. Soon you will be able to run any os on your phone.
http://www.vmware.com/products/mobile/
screw that!
i rather hackintosh the nexus! i love my iphone only reason i got the nexus is for my 3g in tmobile in the us. i still have the grandfathered 5.99tzones and i get 3g all day. got the nexus unlocked for 529 with tax it was 570 i think.
imagine an iphone running snapdragon, oled screen, 5meg camera 512ram SWEET!!!
HACKINTOSH BEFOR WINMOBILE!
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I would definitely try WM on my nexus one.
I think those people that are saying, that android is so great that you do not need anything else, are stupid at least.
For example - try getting cracked navigation software working on your Nexus One...With WM you can have iGO working very well or Navigon or Tom Tom. You might say that you can use built in maps - but in Europe people are changing countries after driving few hundred miles - so data roaming would cost more than buying new GPS device...
So while I understand that you love your android, but there are plenty of good stuff on the "dark-side"...
Isn't HD2 hardware wise very similar to Nexus One? Wouldn't it be possible to put HD2 boot loader on Nexus One?
timothydonohue said:
dear sweet lord above, why would you pollute this device with winmo?
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I share that sentiment.
maktucali said:
i rather hackintosh the nexus! i love my iphone only reason i got the nexus is for my 3g in tmobile in the us. i still have the grandfathered 5.99tzones and i get 3g all day. got the nexus unlocked for 529 with tax it was 570 i think.
imagine an iphone running snapdragon, oled screen, 5meg camera 512ram SWEET!!!
HACKINTOSH BEFOR WINMOBILE!
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Ew. ifail OS on the Nexus, ala single task at a time on this hardware? Repulsive.
NO MULTITASKING NO FILE EXPLORER
enough for me will buy leo and not go on wp7 WHY??????
IF I want nice OS can take Iphone or nokia s4o and get all like new wp7,but if anyone want mobile computer....... wp7 is nice good looking and thats it no more hacker boosting cant go in system well I could do that 4 y ago in my 66oo and want to do that now. microsoft make big big mistake windows mobile will lose lots of users.I will go on 6.5 and hd2 or will wait little more for maemo6 and see what device will go with it but windows phone 7 is big disappointment for me and cant understand why microsoft do this.
Wait for yours opinion guys
dont know if all these windows phone 7 rumours are true but if they are and it looks like the vids we are seeing im going to android next.
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dont know if all these windows phone 7 rumours are true but if they are and it looks like the vids we are seeing im going to android next.
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Yep, I agree.
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sharpey said:
dont know if all these windows phone 7 rumours are true but if they are and it looks like the vids we are seeing im going to android next.
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Yep, I agree.
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+1 here
when the rumors come true, my next device is definitely android/maemo/meego.
One of the reasons I have been using WM and HTC phones for the last 4 years is because I absolutely love tinkering with them, I don't think more than a couple of days pass without me doing something to the phone with new mods or apps.
A fixed OS would be a big turn off for me, I love the ability to customize my phone and just mess about with it, wherever I am.
I was WinMo then switched to Android for about 15 days with G1 phone... then returned it all together (2 times two different devices) and got myself Symbian )e71) which I use now. I was tired of touchscreen a bit and had no problem going to smartphone... since I wanted iphone that is not iphone litteraly I read the review if no touchscreen is a must - E71 is a way to go... review did not dissapoint. I quite happy user but that was about 2 years ago... I am now ready for another phone and it will be either MeeGo device (Nokia+Intel), Maemo (n900) or HD2. I am not thinking Windows 7 Phone for numerous reasons...
iPhone I do not want... Androids are simply NOT THAT SMOOTH as advertised but all models are simply compared to the previous Android device and blown out of proportion how better it is... problem is I want something that opens stuff in the blink of an eye, that has no bugs, that hold battery enough for me to operate on my stuff I need (1 days is kewl) and that's it... oh yeah - I want Garmin XT installed which I have now and my other choice is HD2 besides Symbian S60 devices... Nokia Touchscreen is not that perfect yet - so my favorite now is HD2 - however, I will not get it yet - I want to see massive reviews from people that get it...
i love htc sense and i will follow it to android
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i love htc sense and i will follow it to android
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I'm leaving android sense for a hd2. android sense is nothinglike the winmo sense.
HD2 is just fine plus i am sure they will at some point make the WM7 avaible for it. And if not - the shefs will manage to cook similar roms.
Plus - waiting sucks, i've already waited way too long for the Leo and it was worth it!
Basically I just want something that'll last a day and won't just die quick like my G1. I really wanted to just skip out on the data plan and just get the 20$ unlimited text plan, but for some reason Blackberries REQUIRE the data plan and the cheaper spectrum just don't look as good.
So I'm stuck with Android, and well I just don't know what to decide. I love having a keyboard, so I was looking at the My Touch 3G slide, but then I saw the HTC HD2 which is pretty big, but just looks plain awesome.
The problem here is that it doesn't have a physical keyboard and I haven't really tried the on screen text alot, is it easy to use an on screen keyboard? I have a contract with T-Mobile so they'll give me that "2 years expired" discount.
I love having alot of apps (which I don't know if the HD2 has a dedicated app store to the scope of the android market), like taking high-res pictures (though it's not a MUST), I already have an iPod so music is set, but the battery life is also very important. I don't really care about size though.
The HD2 looks very awesome, but I don't know if I should just stick with an Android.
The on screen keyboard it nice and the best keyboard you can find on a non-apple device, as for the apps, Windows Mobile is lacking in that section, BUT, if you have a look in the Android Development thread for the HD2, you can have both WinMo and Android 2.2 FroYo running on the great phone that is the HTC HD2.
EDIT: Also, I am using Android on my HD2 to reply to your post, and its greeeaaat!
Sent from my HTC HD2 running DarkStone HD2Froyo v1
Wow, really? That's awesome if it can run Android!!
If I install android, can I still install apps to the SD card and such? Is getting Android on the HD2 safe and easy?
I'm actually pretty scared, I jailbroke/routed my G1 but it took quite awhile for me to get it right.. If the HD2 can run Android nice and or near perfect I'm settling on the HD2.
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The on screen keyboard it nice and the best keyboard you can find on a non-apple device, as for the apps, Windows Mobile is lacking in that section, BUT, if you have a look in the Android Development thread for the HD2, you can have both WinMo and Android 2.2 FroYo running on the great phone that is the HTC HD2.
EDIT: Also, I am using Android on my HD2 to reply to your post, and its greeeaaat!
Sent from my HTC HD2 running DarkStone HD2Froyo v1
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I have a SERIOUS disagreement with your statement that WinMo is lacking in the apps department. There are literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of applications made for WinMo. Just because they are not on the Marketplace, doesn't mean that they aren't there.
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What kind of apps?
I had alot of fun messing around with soundboards, games, camera FX's, and other stuff like translators, shazam, and weird stuff. I just like having a variety of stuff available at disposal for some weird reason >_>
Also thanks for the replies guys, really appreciate it.
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I have a SERIOUS disagreement with your statement that WinMo is lacking in the apps department. There are literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of applications made for WinMo. Just because they are not on the Marketplace, doesn't mean that they aren't there.
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Ur right, there are hundreds of apps for WinMo, but android has thousands. and to the OP, Android runs completly off the SD card so all the apps are stored on the SD card as well as all the data and does not touch the HD2's NAND memory so you can dual boot WinMo 6.5 and Android 2.1/2.2.
It is easy to run Android on the HD2, jus put the files on the SD and run the two programs and ur set.
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I dunno. The OP really sounds like he's a android fan. I've got nothing against that. Windows Mobile is not meant for all people and at time users making the change from iphone or android can find it difficult to adjust to the HD2. The keyboard for the HD2 is not great. I would recommend that you stick with an android OS phone such as the Vibrant or whatever it's called. But if you do wish to get the HD2 I've got a sticky with how to flash your phone videos, link in m sig.
This is tough, I was planning to get the phone today but I decided I wasn't ready to make the choice yet.
They have this "get 2 smart phones for the price of 1" offer which is why the My Touch 3G was a big choice for me so my little brother could get his phone updated as well, but I'd have to cancel the line (since it's for NEW customers) and re-open and change my number which seems stupid.
This is a hard choice
Vibrant vs HD2. I'm still torn between the two since they are similar except one has a bigger screen but no native android, and one has native android but doesn't have a big screen in comparison. I'll be honest here, I love free apps but I don't know if you can root the Vibrant and manually install apps (Confirm or Deny).
Still though.. I'm a bit torn >_> Arghh, why do these phones have to be so damn sexy?
I was just curious if anyone has any thoughts on Gingerbread on a Samsung Focus? I read that the Nexus S with the recent Gingerbread installed is the identical phone. I am very happy with Phone 7 and have no intentions of switching but the possibility could give us all much more value with the Focus. The thought of Gingerbread on this phone may also add to the longevity and a market value if someone wanted to sell it before their contract is up. I love phone 7 and hope they start some regular updates to make the phone even better.
Yep.. it's called the captivate LOL and probably not because it's a 3 button phone, kinda why HD2's and other window mobile phones are not upgradable
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Yep.. it's called the captivate LOL and probably not because it's a 3 button phone, kinda why HD2's and other window mobile phones are not upgradable
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on a side note.... the HD2 is upgradable... they've successfully put windows 7 on it. The only catch so far is it doesn't have the correct licencing so it isn't able to have working live tiles or the marketplace. But none the less.... its on there working.
I dont think anyones been working on Android on our phones yet. First thing's first is to get WP7 cracked open totally then they can do their magic. That's still a ways off though.
If you want android on a phone, how about you buy an android phone and not clutter wp7 areas.
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on a side note.... the HD2 is upgradable... they've successfully put windows 7 on it. The only catch so far is it doesn't have the correct licencing so it isn't able to have working live tiles or the marketplace. But none the less.... its on there working.
I dont think anyones been working on Android on our phones yet. First thing's first is to get WP7 cracked open totally then they can do their magic. That's still a ways off though.
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last time I check the gps, camera, and... something else didn't work but to add live tiles not working on top of that... what's the sense?
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last time I check the gps, camera, and... something else didn't work but to add live tiles not working on top of that... what's the sense?
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well work in progress...considering they said WM7 wouldn't be able to run at all on any other devices Id say its a pretty huge step. Probably the only WM phone that can do it and do it well. Android still doesn't work fully on my touch pro 2 but I kept that phone just for that reason that one day it WILL be able to run it.
the HD2 can run android (almost full), WM 6.1/6.5, WM7 and I think they were saying they're starting to work on getting webos on it too so, pretty stellar phone I would say!
Still, like I said, I think android running on our phones is still a long ways a way. They only just recently cracked one of the HTC WP7's to be able to run other roms. Big step for sure but still a far cry from running an entirely different OS
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well work in progress...considering they said WM7 wouldn't be able to run at all on any other devices Id say its a pretty huge step. Probably the only WM phone that can do it and do it well. Android still doesn't work fully on my touch pro 2 but I kept that phone just for that reason that one day it WILL be able to run it.
the HD2 can run android (almost full), WM 6.1/6.5, WM7 and I think they were saying they're starting to work on getting webos on it too so, pretty stellar phone I would say!
Still, like I said, I think android running on our phones is still a long ways a way. They only just recently cracked one of the HTC WP7's to be able to run other roms. Big step for sure but still a far cry from running an entirely different OS
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Yeah well considering I use the GPS, and camera a lot, and live tiles now that I have it. I wouldn't consider that close lol That 4.3 screen is just awesome for TomTom. I'd rather use my HD2 as an android device before a windows phone 7. Web OS might be interesting though... aah so little time some many possibilites. Another problem is the Focus is only a 3 button phone, I duno if you can rework Android to work on 3 instead of 4.
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If you want android on a phone, how about you buy an android phone and mot clutter wp7 areas.
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Thanks for the useless comment. This is a legitimate question. Not all of us want to spend the money on every different devices. I'd like to be able to run android for testing on the Focus if it was possible. Nothing wrong with that question.
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Thanks for the useless comment. This is a legitimate question. Not all of us want to spend the money on every different devices. I'd like to be able to run android for testing on the Focus if it was possible. Nothing wrong with that question.
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Then post the useless inquiry the android section and waste their space
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I was just curious if anyone has any thoughts on Gingerbread on a Samsung Focus? I read that the Nexus S with the recent Gingerbread installed is the identical phone. I am very happy with Phone 7 and have no intentions of switching but the possibility could give us all much more value with the Focus. The thought of Gingerbread on this phone may also add to the longevity and a market value if someone wanted to sell it before their contract is up. I love phone 7 and hope they start some regular updates to make the phone even better.
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lol.........................
thank you hvbelton! as i read... it is what i was thinking... then again... so thank you!