So I've been researching how deaf and hearing impaired people use Android phones to make communication easier and, in this process, I've been checking on which carriers offer special plans for such users.
Apparently Sprint has a $29.99 a month plan that is data only, and unlimited data at that.
http://www.sprintrelaystore.com/data_only_plan.htm
Yes, it's intended for users who will be using their Relay service (to make voice calls by typing text etc.) But they don't restrict it to such purposes.
Interesting.
You can get a Moment or Hero on such a plan if you open a new line. Just thought I'd throw this out there and see what everyone thinks of it. Maybe some of our Sprint employees can explain more of how this plan works to us?
What would you do to make voice calls...exactly?
wirelessness said:
What would you do to make voice calls...exactly?
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In theory, this might be refuted, you could use Google Voice.
It's funny I was chatting with sprint about this exact same. thing last night. If I could just figure out how to receive calls I will switch to this in a heartbeat. We only use about 400 of the 1500 minutes. And still pay for all of them it seems wasteful.
You could go to voicestick.com and buy their $2.99/month pay-as-you-go minutes plan and set that account up with SIPDroid (or any SIP client really). I have the normal Everything data plan, but I also use that plan because I have that for my home phone.
If you use pbxes.org you can get a nice setup with a ring group, and the same number can ring your home phone, your cell phone (via the SIP client), and any number of things.
If anyone's interested, let me know once you have the right accounts and I'll help you with the setup.
would skype work over the data connection?
Or is it the same as google voice where a voice call is still required?
Last i tried skype it was beta for android and it worked loke gvoice, not voip for us yet.
I'm pretty tied to GV and it requires a voice line. Would me nice to use SIP/VOIP if possible though.
skype-to-skype calling works with Fring, and it also has a SIP plugin, although I haven't tried it.
I read on another forum that some people get cheaper featurephones with cheap voice only plans and then get something like an SRDO plan with an Android handset.
Apparently they like separating out the functions... weird to me.
[Accidental double post. Sorry.]
GVoice forwards to Gizmo which can be setup as a the SIP provider in SIPDroid. The Guava project has something like this setup, I don't know much about it beyond its intent. I use SIP/Gizmo as a landline replacement at home via a GVoice number and it works beautifully. My tests with SIP on 3G/2G were less impressive, I don't think it's a "prime time" solution just yet.
In theory this is where cells will go eventually, a data connection and nothing more, no per-minute or per-transaction services, it will be more like an ISP. Data, text, chat, voice, apps, etc, will be delivered on the same pipe. We're practically there now. Add tethering to the mix and this could be the ONLY data pipe you need.
I have use the whole GV + Sipsorcery + sipdroid setup because I don't get reception at my house, so my I use my hero for wifi calls while at home. Most of the time, no one notices the difference. But I think it depends on how many people are using the internet in my area because sometimes there is a delay on the line, but a lot of other times there isn't. For some reason, it actually works better for me when I am using evdo instead of wifi. All of my friends have told me that I sound better while using sipdroid vs the sprint network. Kind of weird.
To that end, my friend brought his t-mobile android over. He is on their data only plan and since he lives in downtown St. Louis the he always has a data connection. So his bill is SUPER cheap by doing all of this and he is raving about it. He never turns his wifi on and uses the same setup as me. He claims he never has any problems, the only drawback being his battery drains faster now.
I wouldn't tell people to just start doing this though because I still encounter problems. Such as I my phone will only ring once and sometimes not at all. It is being routed through three services and like I said, there is a delay sometimes. But then again, sometimes I will go a whole week with it working PERFECTLY.
Maybe someone here might have some advice the proper setup to make this more stable for me. Otherwise I am going to pursue that airave device.
I'll point out again that Sprint's primary purpose in having the SRDO plans is for deaf or hearing impaired users who don't need voice service.
However, it is an interesting idea for those of us who like to tinker, too (=
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You could go to voicestick.com and buy their $2.99/month pay-as-you-go minutes plan and set that account up with SIPDroid (or any SIP client really). I have the normal Everything data plan, but I also use that plan because I have that for my home phone.
If you use pbxes.org you can get a nice setup with a ring group, and the same number can ring your home phone, your cell phone (via the SIP client), and any number of things.
If anyone's interested, let me know once you have the right accounts and I'll help you with the setup.
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In theory, this might be refuted, you could use Google Voice.
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False. Google Voice does not include the capability--technologically or otherwise--to carry voice calls over either data or voice bands (...yet; i say "yet" because it seems only natural that a tech-conglomerate like Google might go this route in the future. They've annouced no such plans)
You could use Skype/Fring.
So, in theory:
I could open a new line with this on my old Diamond for ICS only?
I'm reviving an ancient thread here, but, as @flexgrip alluded to above, if you can get a gizmo5 account and a sipsorcery account, someone on a data-only plan can have 100% free voip using your Google Voice number.
You just need to forward your GV calls to gizmo5. Gizmo charges for outgoing calls, but what you can do is setup a sipsorcery account, and route your incoming calls from gizmo (free), but use google voice for your outgoing calls (also free). Now you just use your sipsorcery account as the sip provider in sipdroid. People you call will see your GV # as caller ID, and, of course, calls people place to your Google Voice number will be routed to you.
Gizmo5 accounts (no longer accepting new registrations) can be bought for less than $10 on ebay. Sipsorcery wasn't (temporarily) taking new registrations either the last I checked, but I'm guessing these can be had if you look in the right place as well.
Sipsorcery can have a bit of a learning curve, but there are ready-made tutorials on setting up gizmo5 + GV in sipsorcery online. It's a one-time setup.
Why do you need sipsorcery? It worked with just gv and gizmo5 last time I used it, right before google bought it. Did the change something up?
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Why do you need sipsorcery? It worked with just gv and gizmo5 last time I used it, right before google bought it. Did the change something up?
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Gizmo charges for outgoing calls, and plus they've disabled the service they used to have that lets you show a custom number (like your GV #) as your outgoing caller ID.
So unless you want to use voice minutes or go on the web for outgoing calls . . .
Sipsorcery allows you to create a singular sip account that receives the incoming GV>gizmo forward, while making outgoing calls directly from Google Voice (which, of course, is free and posts the same number for caller ID).
Unless there's a new way I'm not aware of, this was what I learned when I was obsessed with finding the cheapest way to make data calls a while back.
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The guides listed here are extremely dated.
Not all services mentioned allow new users, and some now require a subscription. Also, the process has been simplified greatly since the creation of these tutorials.
I recommend using an application such as Groove IP to connect directly to Gtalk rather than bounce the call all over the place to different SIP providers.
Trying to find a way to verify GV w/o a active U.S. phone number? This info will still work for that, but you have to use IPKall routed to PBXes extension w/ "info" as DTMF type on (pbxes extension) settings.
Planning to do something more interesting like route multiple gv#s to one place? Than the info might still be useful to you, but only as a point of reference.
These instructions will explain how to get Sipdroid and Google Voice set up so you can use your Android phone with only WiFi or 3g/Edge (no cellular minutes). It also provides a solution to get Google Voice accounts validated for people who lack a US phone number.
Alright I guess these guides were a little more popular than expected. Kept exceeding bandwidth limits for the images, so I had to move 'em.
If you would like to view the original guides please visit my blog
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These instructions will explain how to get Sipdroid and Google Voice set up so you can use your Android phone with only WIFI or 3g/Edge. It also provides a solution to get Google Voice accounts validated for people who lack a US phome number.
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While I didn't personally use the method myself, a post on the Google Voice discussion forum said you can perform your verification call on a Gizmo number (receive it by logging into the flash client at gizmo5.com)
The first time I set up an ipkall DID, it took a week. Kind of annoying.
Due to bandwidth limits causing the images to go down, I have moved the guides.
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Huh? I tried to use Gizmo to confirm my wife's account a couple weeks ago, and Google Voice said a Landline or Mobile had to be used as the primary forwarding number. If they have in fact changed their policy regarding this, its great news for international users. Maybe someone with a fresh account would be kind enough to give it a try and bless us with the results. Either way thanks for the info.
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Well, I read that information roughly a month ago so it could have been changed. On Gizmo's gizmovoice.com page, they state that a user can buy a 6-month DID number to accept the GV confirmation call, so I guess its probable that a Gizmo number cannot be used for confirmation.
It's a shame it took so long for ipkall to get back to you. It usually does take a day or two, but a week is awful. Then again waiting 6-8 months for a Google Voice invite is a tad bit more irritating (but still well worth it)
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Well it was before I even got my GV invite, mainly just as experimentation for getting my SIP setup. Free is free, so I wasn't really concerned.
By the way, I have updated the Sipdroid primer a little. Might make some more tweaks/update the sample pics later.
This is a great tutorial! I'm currently using just the gizmo5 + GV setup, what are the advantages to your way? I am assuming the 3 minute outgoing call limit is gone, but is there anything else?
My #1 complaint with the gizmo5 + GV method (and this may be Sipdroid's fault) is that it seems if I don't make or recieve a call for a few hours... maybe a day... then sipdroid sort of times out, disconnects, and I miss calls even though sipdroid still shows the green connected light. I'm just curious if getting away from gizmo5 would fix this? Thanks!
This is a great tutorial! I'm currently using just the gizmo5 + GV setup, what are the advantages to your way? I am assuming the 3 minute outgoing call limit is gone, but is there anything else?
My #1 complaint with the gizmo5 + GV method (and this may be Sipdroid's fault) is that it seems if I don't make or recieve a call for a few hours... maybe a day... then sipdroid sort of times out, disconnects, and I miss calls even though sipdroid still shows the green connected light. I'm just curious if getting away from gizmo5 would fix this? Thanks!
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Thank you, and yes you are correct about the 3 minute limit, but you don't have to leave gizmo for that. Just set GV as default dialer and set call method to Call-Back in GV (Be sure to set gizmo # as callback in GV app). Other than that Gizmo5 charged for callerID at the time I set mine up, and I had alot of choppy calls when using them (even using X-Ten and Ekiga from pc). Also Google Voice did not (and I'm not sure if they do yet) allow a Gizmo # to be default forward. Using IPkall gives you a true US # which can be set as default and used to validate g.v. account. People who don't have a US # couldn't even forward to Gizmo until a default US land or mobile number was set.
As far as missed calls and sipdroid timing out, I believe it depends on how you are connecting. I haven't had any trouble with such issues while on 3g. In fact I use this as my only method of calling, and dropped down to just the data plan with my carrier. Before we got 3g where I live I would have similar problems on EDGE and WIFI networks. Try setting the minimum signal strength lower for the networks you will be using under advanced settings on sipdroid. Also be sure to use TCP rather than UDP. Required refresh time is alot longer with TCP and you will not get as many time-outs.
Another thing is it may very well be gizmo5 causing the timeout issue. I did miss a few calls and got alot more disconnects while I was testing to see if I could cut out a few legs of my forwarding scheme. Figured it would cut back on a little latancy, but It gave me issues so I switched back. Though Sipdroid supports any sip provider that uses the proper codecs, it is really designed to work well with PBXes. I have tried it with 4-5 providers and none worked as well as PBXes. Even gizmo5 worked better through PBXes than directly connecting from sipdroid.
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ive gotten this setup correctly (i think), but i cannot get the pbxes->sipdroid part working.
if i call my ipkall number, i see the call register in sip2sip, and i see it in the history in pbxes.
sipdroid connects to pbxes fine, and the extension shows up as active. the call just never makes it to sipdroid
if i call from sipdroid OUT, i get a message that says please try again later and hangs up
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ive gotten this setup correctly (i think), but i cannot get the pbxes->sipdroid part working.
if i call my ipkall number, i see the call register in sip2sip, and i see it in the history in pbxes.
sipdroid connects to pbxes fine, and the extension shows up as active. the call just never makes it to sipdroid
if i call from sipdroid OUT, i get a message that says please try again later and hangs up
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I too get this same error my phone wont ring and then I recive an email that says i got a voice mail!!??
how to fix ths pls!!
(NEVERMIND I GOT IT WORKING NOW!!!!)
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ive gotten this setup correctly (i think), but i cannot get the pbxes->sipdroid part working.
if i call my ipkall number, i see the call register in sip2sip, and i see it in the history in pbxes.
sipdroid connects to pbxes fine, and the extension shows up as active. the call just never makes it to sipdroid
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There may be a problem with inbound routing settings. One thing you could try would be to skip sip2sip by forwarding ipkall directly to your pbxes extension. There are instructions on how to do this at pbxes. It works quite well. I will add this to the guide soon. I've just been a little busy lately.
if i call from sipdroid OUT, i get a message that says please try again later and hangs up
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There are quite a few things that could cause this.
What type of call are you trying to make? (are you calling another sip# or a pstn#)
Which sip provider do you use for outbound calls?
Is your outbound route configured properly at pbxes?
I just let GV handle the outbound calls with callback. I have a sipdiscount account configured for outbound, but I don't really use it much. That's why I didn't cover it in the guide. I'll help as much as I can, but you might also want to check out the Sipdroid Primer. It explains alot about using sipdroid to place calls.
Pbxes webstie not working for me amy.one else getting this issue!?
Sipdroid+Gizmo+GV on Android
Hello,
First, thanks for your hard work enabling GV to work on an Android phone, like my unlocked G1 Dev Phone on AT&T EDGE in NYC.
I tried a different route, using Gizmo, Sipdroid, and GV. I set up GV to "use Google Voice for all calls", "call back" method, and WIFI and EDGE for connecting.
It all works just fine, calls to Canada are crystal clear, even away from WIFI on EDGE.
However, I just got my first wireless bill for this DATA ONLY phone (formerly a Blackberry), and was shocked that a 23-minute call to Canada cost me $16.00!
What happened?
Will your method fix the "free" nature of this system, is Gizmo the culprit here?
Please define how I should set up my data-only G1 to work properly with SIP, or do I just undo all the settings for Gizmo, and use the procedures you advise in your post?
Thank you!
if you use google voice....your not talking over the net...your talking over your cell line.
These instructions will explain how to get Sipdroid and Google Voice set up so you can use your Android phone with only WIFI or 3g/Edge. It also provides a solution to get Google Voice accounts validated for people who lack a US phome number.
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so...follow the instructions
divinicus said:
However, I just got my first wireless bill for this DATA ONLY phone (formerly a Blackberry), and was shocked that a 23-minute call to Canada cost me $16.00!
What happened?
Thank you!
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Sounds like your google voice also forwarded to your cell number. Make sure it's unchecked on their website under settings > phones. That would also explain why you got perfect calls even away from wifi/edge. You can be sure sipdroid is being used by the color of the call display. If it's a more blueish green it's a sip call. Regular green is cellular network.
OK guys sorry for the complete noobness ahead of time but I have no idea how this stuff works but I'm very interested in it. First of all my scenario is I'm going to be moving to the Philippines for nursing school next year and I want to keep in touch with my family while taking my unlocked G1 with me. I have a Google Voice number and a Gizmo5 account. I saw on the Gizmo5 site that I can't make calls for free but I can receive calls and talk as long as I like for free, I think... Say I'm receiving a call from the US when I'm in the Philippines and I answer. Are they dialing my SIP number or my GV number? And if they're calling my GV number are they being charged for standard domestic calling since it's a Houston #? Basically what I'm looking for is to use my Google Voice number and Gizmo5 account to talk to my family here for free while I'm in the Philippines without them being charged for long distance calls.
Could anyone help me out with this?
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OK guys sorry for the complete noobness ahead of time but I have no idea how this stuff works but I'm very interested in it. First of all my scenario is I'm going to be moving to the Philippines for nursing school next year and I want to keep in touch with my family while taking my unlocked G1 with me. I have a Google Voice number and a Gizmo5 account. I saw on the Gizmo5 site that I can't make calls for free but I can receive calls and talk as long as I like for free, I think... Say I'm receiving a call from the US when I'm in the Philippines and I answer. Are they dialing my SIP number or my GV number? And if they're calling my GV number are they being charged for standard domestic calling since it's a Houston #? Basically what I'm looking for is to use my Google Voice number and Gizmo5 account to talk to my family here for free while I'm in the Philippines without them being charged for long distance calls.
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I set sipdroid up using gizmo5 and here's what I did
verify your gizmo through google voice then set google voice to forward incoming calls to your gizmo number
On the gizmo website you can set your google phone number as the outgoing ptsn just use the google voice tab and enter your gv # now all outgoing calls are free to any US #
Now setup your siddroid info username/password is gizmo username or phone # and your password
set your server to proxy01.sipphone.com
leave domain empty
port =5060
protocol = udp
and your done, now your friends, family can call your local number and it will forward all your calls to your phone anywhere with a internet connection and you can also make calls to any US number for free using the same connection
Hi:
Can I get back to using ipkall and pbxes in combo? It is not clear how to set this up. What exactly should I put in the 'SIP Phone Number' and 'SIP Proxy" fields?
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Hi:
Can I get back to using ipkall and pbxes in combo? It is not clear how to set this up. What exactly should I put in the 'SIP Phone Number' and 'SIP Proxy" fields?
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Your sip phone number would be your pbxes extension
Example: gurnted-200
Sip Proxy would be: pbxes.com (.org works too but not as well)
On the gizmo website you can set your google phone number as the outgoing ptsn just use the google voice tab and enter your gv # now all outgoing calls are free to any US #
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Does the time limit no longer apply for Gizmo outgoing? I stopped using them when I got 2 days of choppy calls (both on sipdroid and pc softphone) and havn't been back since. Have they changed it so out calls through Google Voice are unlimited? Also it uses udp which needs to refresh 10x as often. The developer of sipdroid says this causes excessive battery drain. How well is it working for you?
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if you use gv....your not talking over the net...your talking over your cell line.
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To clarify. If you use the "Google Voice" app developed by Google you are indeed using your cell line. However, if one uses the "GV" app developed by Evan Charlton you are able to set callback number to whatever you choose. By choosing IPKall # as callback and forwarding it to a sip account, calls are made over the net/data plan through Sipdroid.
so, i have ordered, and not yet received (get tomorrow) my nexus one. one of the things about it is that i only have the 500 minute plan (no, i didn't wanna drop 530 on a phone, lol), but coincidentally, i also like to game on the ps3 with a friend. unlike xbox, ps3 doesn't do private chat, so coordinating is actually easier with a cell phone. because i don't want to eat minutes, my intention was to actually skype him through my wifi. however, now i'm finding out, to the best of my knowledge, our option is 'skype lite', which is essentially a turd, and doesn't do anything for me except route my calls through skype on my phoneline, still using my minutes = worthless to me.
so, you guys have been fiddling with android for a while yet, i'm guessing, and i'm wondering what the best option/workaround is. i've heard mention of 'fring', but am not familiar with it. same with 'iskoot'.
gimme the digs, gents (or ladies, as the case may be). how can i voip using my phone to my buddies, without chewing phone minutes?
appreciated
-t
You're paying for the phone regardless. Contract monthly rate is more than non contract rate.
Google Voice comes pre-installed on the N1.
If you don't have a GV account, sign-up for one. It's still by invite only so it may take awhile before you get the invite.
Then you can just go into the 'Voice' app and select to make all calls via Google Voice (which means FREE, doesn't utilize your voice minutes).
You can use fring which has skype call support
Nimbuzz and Fring work well.
Countries outside the US don't get google voice yet.
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Google Voice comes pre-installed on the N1.
If you don't have a GV account, sign-up for one. It's still by invite only so it may take awhile before you get the invite.
Then you can just go into the 'Voice' app and select to make all calls via Google Voice (which means FREE, doesn't utilize your voice minutes).
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You seem to get a GV account automatically with the Nexus One but it still uses your minutes!
Google Voice is not a voice service. You'll still use cell minutes using that alone. You'll need something like Gizmo to voice call over data.
Personally, I use SIPDroid, which integrated perfectly with the N1, GV, and Gizmo. Simply install it, and set up SIPDroid with the settings here:
androidcommunity.com/forums/f4/how-to-free-calls-via-wifi-using-google-voice-and-gizmo5-21836/
Then all calls will always attempt to go through data, if it fails, it will fall back to a normal phone call. Works perfect.
sipdroid supports the industry standard for VoIP (i.e. SIP, like the former gizmo5). You can call other software SIP clients, hardware SIP phones, and SIP<->telephone network gateways.
thanks guys, i'll give this a shot.
and, i already have a GV account. and 2 more invites, lol. i'll just sit on those for a bit...
GV will definitely use minutes, which is what i wanted to avoid. i'll see how the voip options work out. much appreciated.
and, if anyone has any more help/suggestions, it'd be greatly appreciated!
-t
darnit, gizmo5 is no longer an option. new user registration has been suspended :/
Use sipdroid to tie with GV and that should prevent the minute usage. I use sipdroid with gizmo 5 and that works but sipdroid has its shortcomings though. but it works and if you're on 3G, no one can tell the difference. Check the G1/dream forums for more info on sipdroid. There's also a thread over there about sipdroid/skype and another app for totally free minutes....
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Use sipdroid to tie with GV and that should prevent the minute usage. I use sipdroid with gizmo 5 and that works but sipdroid has its shortcomings though. but it works and if you're on 3G, no one can tell the difference. Check the G1/dream forums for more info on sipdroid. There's also a thread over there about sipdroid/skype and another app for totally free minutes....
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I am also using sipdroid, GV and gizmo5. I setup GV to forward to gizmo, and setup sipdroid to login to my gizmo account. All incoming calls to gizmo are free. However if you originate an outgoing call with gizmo, you will be charged the per minute rate by gizmo. To get around this, I use the GV website to originate the call, so that it calls my gizmo account first then connects the call.
Works great so far.
dang. wish that the gizmo site was still open for new members. :/
I suspect that they closed it once google bought them. They might have invites soon, because google will prolly integrate this they of hack into their google voice service. . .
Yes it was closed when Google bought Gizmo5. Are there any other alternatives?
Take a look at this article about the Nexus One subsidized vs ubsubsidized.
He mentions this:
an unsubsidized Nexus One with a data-only T-Mobile plan ($39.99/month), a Skype subscription for unlimited calls to mobile and landlines anywhere in the US and Canada ($2.95(!)/month), and a SkypeIn number ($30/year).
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I wonder how he set that up? I'ld pay $3/month and $30/yr for calls.
I have been trying to configure sipgate pbxes.org Google voice and sipdroid to work but i haven't been able to do it properly if anybody could help me out i would appreciate it
Sipdroid works great on my G1 and N1. I highly recommend it. Give it a try.
MO-Call app for Android
Hi,
Can you try this one, called MO-Call, for making cheap or free international calls?
They support over 2170 handsets on all platforms.
Give a try and let me know what you think.
Cheers
[Guide] Unlimited Wifi/3G VoIP Calling
First of all, I'm looking for a way to make and receive calls over wifi. The reason is that I need to save on minutes, and also that I will be out of the country for a couple of weeks very soon.
I am trying to make sure I have a wifi connection so that I can receive calls from the US with VOIP and wifi.
Secondarily, I'm looking for a service that will provide me cheap calls and texting from my Droid X to the Philippines while I am in the states.
I've been trying to find information on this, but it's very confusing. No I don't have Gizmo5, so that's no help.
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First of all, I'm looking for a way to make and receive calls over wifi. The reason is that I need to save on minutes, and also that I will be out of the country for a couple of weeks very soon.
I am trying to make sure I have a wifi connection so that I can receive calls from the US with VOIP and wifi.
Secondarily, I'm looking for a service that will provide me cheap calls and texting from my Droid X to the Philippines while I am in the states.
I've been trying to find information on this, but it's very confusing. No I don't have Gizmo5, so that's no help.
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I have been tinkering with SipDroid and it appears to work pretty well. You will need some type of SIP termination to make calls.
There are a handleful of SIP clients in the marketplace, but you are going to have to get your hands dirty and learn about SIP to make this work.
Or just get a Skype account? Or Use Gizmo5 with a Sip client?
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I have been tinkering with SipDroid and it appears to work pretty well. You will need some type of SIP termination to make calls.
There are a handleful of SIP clients in the marketplace, but you are going to have to get your hands dirty and learn about SIP to make this work.
Or just get a Skype account? Or Use Gizmo5 with a Sip client?
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Skype doesn't work on wifi, Gizmo5 no longer accepting new accounts, this is the dead end I've been at for a week, before making this thread.
I am trying to figure out SIP, but am admittedly discouraged right now.
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Skype doesn't work on wifi, Gizmo5 no longer accepting new accounts, this is the dead end I've been at for a week, before making this thread.
I am trying to figure out SIP, but am admittedly discouraged right now.
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Ahh. Sorry. I have my own asterisk (SIP) server. When I want to play with VoIP, I just create a new extension on that.
SipDroid evidently has some connection to pbxes.org and connects to that service pretty easily it looks like.
PBXes.orrg also has a basic free account to get you started. Looks like it allos 2000 minutes per month with a maximum call time of 60 minutes per call for free.
Might be worth giving it a shot.
You can also get service from a provider like vitelity or teliax pretty cheaply.
You can make calls through gmail now. Not tried it but might be an option for you.
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You can make calls through gmail now. Not tried it but might be an option for you.
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i'm in the same boat. about to travel to india and would love to ditch the calling card. i've been using gmail voip since wed. and have been pretty impressed as far as internet calling goes. my plan is use that when i'm out of the country.
anyone know if having an ip address in india will wig it out? i know the gmail call option is only for us customers right now.
I still only vaguely understand what PBXes.org does. None of this stuff is accessible.
Is there anyone who has a system that works, outside of the US, that allows you to receive wifi calls and does not involve gizmo5?
I don't mind learning something new here, but I don't have too much time, and I need it to be the right something.
I've played around with a lot of free Android SIP clients, and SIPDroid is definitely what you want. But in order to make calls to landlines in the US, you will need a SIP account that allows BYOD (Bring Your Own Device). That means you'll need to pay. Nobody will bridge SIP calls to real phones for free any more. BroadVoice is one choice.
As you see, none of this stuff is plug and play yet. You'll simply need to learn it. I recommend starting by getting a free SIP account at iptel.org, and set things up in SIPDroid to make some free Voip-Voip calls between devices, that way you'll learn.
Okay, for now, I can skip the complex stuff...
All I need is a way to make and receive calls from normal land and mobile US phones over wifi alone, when there is no signal... even when out of the country.
I have a PBX account, a sipgate account, and sipdroid, truphone, fring, and google voice on my Droid X.
I'm only just starting to get an idea of what does what.
I'm not looking for free necessarily, but I also can't invest a ton in this... I just want to be reachable for the next three weeks.
darnieglover2 said:
Okay, for now, I can skip the complex stuff...
All I need is a way to make and receive calls from normal land and mobile US phones over wifi alone, when there is no signal... even when out of the country.
I have a PBX account, a sipgate account, and sipdroid, truphone, fring, and google voice on my Droid X.
I'm only just starting to get an idea of what does what.
I'm not looking for free necessarily, but I also can't invest a ton in this... I just want to be reachable for the next three weeks.
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Sipgate should work - along with sipdroid.
You need to learn how to put your sipgate login credentials into Sipdroid (Proxy, user name, password)
Once you successfully have connected SipDroid to your SipGate account, anytime someone calls your Sipgate number it will ring on sipdroid (assuming you have sipdroid running.
I can probably help you if you'd like, it can be a little confusing .. but I think if you dig into the proxy and register server settings you'll get this figured out.
One more thing. Make sure wherever you are going has a good connection back to sipgate... just having wifi doesn't mean anything. A good connection (ping times less than 100 ms and plenty of bandwidth) will be the key factors.
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Sipgate should work - along with sipdroid.
You need to learn how to put your sipgate login credentials into Sipdroid (Proxy, user name, password)
Once you successfully have connected SipDroid to your SipGate account, anytime someone calls your Sipgate number it will ring on sipdroid (assuming you have sipdroid running.
I can probably help you if you'd like, it can be a little confusing .. but I think if you dig into the proxy and register server settings you'll get this figured out.
One more thing. Make sure wherever you are going has a good connection back to sipgate... just having wifi doesn't mean anything. A good connection (ping times less than 100 ms and plenty of bandwidth) will be the key factors.
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Thanks, I'm going to try this as my last ditch effort before I'm gone tomorrow... Any way to make my number the google voice number, or would that force me back to using 3G only?
Fyi, I used to have,well still do but don't use it much, my sipgate number forwarded to my google voice all setup through sipdroid,which is about the most consistent android sip client,which in turn allowed free calls (us atleast) over wifi & data. If you search xda for sipdroid or google for that matter you should find some good setup how to's.
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darnieglover2 said:
Thanks, I'm going to try this as my last ditch effort before I'm gone tomorrow... Any way to make my number the google voice number, or would that force me back to using 3G only?
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Fyi, I used to have,well still do but don't use it much, my sipgate number forwarded to my google voice all setup through sipdroid,which is about the most consistent android sip client,which in turn allowed free calls (us atleast) over wifi & data. If you search xda for sipdroid or google for that matter you should find some good setup how to's.
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Exactly. Have your G-Voice number call the Sipgate number.
The original how-to was in the G1 XDA development area I believe. SIPdroid and IPKall, along with Google Voice and Google Voice Callback should be all you need to get by. I have unlimited incoming and outgoing calls, as well as unlimited texting both ways. As far as out of country goes, I'm not sure what the deal is with that. But here are some links.
forum.xda-developers *DOT* com/showthread.php?t=548405
gurnted.wordpress *DOT* com/guides/
I actually had to use my G1 as a wifi only phone for over a year when I was broke and couldn't afford anything. It definitely was better than nothing, and without android I would have really been screwed. Hope this helps.
It's nice to have that option, as long as you have descent wifi. I also noticed sipgate was more reliable then gizmo, for me atleast, but if you want to get serious about it, set it all up through pbx or your own server.
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So here is what I did... I now have a working VOIP phone service via my T-Mobile Tab..
-- Get the hacked Skype App (allows 3G calling) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=156KWZVH
-- Get Google Voice from Market
-- Go to skype.com and setup an account
-- Order a Skype Internet Number (it's $30 for a year right now -- normally $60)
-- Add a Skype calling plan ( I went with $2.99 a month for unlimited calling)
-- Set Skype to display your Google Voice Number (Caller ID Settings)
-- Set Google Voice to forward all calls to your Skype number
-- Go into Google Voice App and set it up to use your Skype number for voicemail notifications.
It works and it works pretty darn well...
Pros:
--Incoming and outgoing voice capabilities
--Unlimited calling in the US and Canada for $2.99 a month
--With 3G data plan you always have phone functions to dial out and receive
--Use Google Voice for SMS messages and you only have the one number.
Cons:
--If you don't want to use the Google Voice number for SMS then you will have 2 numbers. The one that came on your Tab that is used for SMS/MMS and a number for phone usage.
--Price for this to work per year amounts to $66 ($30 for the Skype number and $36 for the unlimited plan) Not really a con if you consider this is the total cost for a year of unlimited cell (VOIP) calls from you Tab
--If you use Google Voice for SMS it does not do MMS
Here is how it works...
When someone calls your Google Voice number it forwards it to the Skype number and the Tab rings...
When you call someone it displays your Google Voice number...
COOL....
Thanks for telling step-by-step to this workaround... couple of more cons, for me anyway.
1) a big con for me is that it means I can't port my existing cell no. to my new Tab... and since I'm a consultant and it's been my phone no. for a long time... that's kind of a drag.
2) Also, I've heard Skype call quality is sketchy at times?
3) No 911 calling via Skype I beleive?
thoughts pls?
ps... I suppose if I just kept my Sprint plan and went to phone only and kept my Pre I could just call forward my cell no. to Google voice?
I ported my previous cell number to my Tab...
Skype can be sketchy if on a slow or weak 3G or Wifi connection... I have had no problems with it yet though...
Yes, no 911 calling.... But you can program your local police / fire / EMS non emergency dispatch center number as a contact... That's what I did... Granted it's not as fast to get answered as 911, but it is a suggestion...
I don't see why you could not forward the previous cell # to GV then have it forwarded to Skype. Then set the Caller ID in Skype to display your previous cell number... Should work...
I might give this a try and see how I like.... since the phone flashing seems to be stuck at 2G plus a few other problems at this point....
Thanks much for the instructions...!
I decided to do this route as opposed to flashing the other way... Flashing the Euro ROM does still have issues and even once they are worked out, I can't see a US carrier adding voice to the Tab... Even with flashing the Euro ROM you will still need another SIM card to use that has voice functions enabled on it (hence, a different number like this process requires)...
Many people already have my GV number so this was also an easy way to get phone function without much effort... And at $66 a year for unlimited voice, I don't see a carrier plan even coming close to that...
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@raqball
How does it work? Is it smooth?
My wife has a Skype account, does it have to be the unlimited calls or do you use the free calls from skype?
I really would love to see a YouTube vid please, or just a demo, I need to feel confident to give back the MyTouch 4G for this
Cause if it's like that, I am going to go and give back the MyTouch and get the tab for the Both of us tomorrow!
xexes said:
Thanks for telling step-by-step to this workaround... couple of more cons, for me anyway.
1) a big con for me is that it means I can't port my existing cell no. to my new Tab... and since I'm a consultant and it's been my phone no. for a long time... that's kind of a drag.
2) Also, I've heard Skype call quality is sketchy at times?
3) No 911 calling via Skype I beleive?
thoughts pls?
ps... I suppose if I just kept my Sprint plan and went to phone only and kept my Pre I could just call forward my cell no. to Google voice?
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I did this for months on my old Milestone (Droid) due to me being in Canada and everyone I knew being back in the US (and all calls to the US are int'l long distance via cell) until I found a way to make GV work here in Canada via normal phone lines.
Yes, call quality via Skype is sketchy at times, depending on connection quality, and there's ALWAYS lag.
Call forwarding works fine.
I wouldn't sweat 911, but then again I have almost no respect for that service anyway.
How stable has this been running for the ones using it?
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Any way to do this without Skype? Can't pay for everything :/ Will GV just work?
You'll need some sort of VOIP to make it work, but it doesn't have to be Skype.
Keep in mind, Google Voice is NOT a VOIP service, it's a fancy call forwarding and voicemail service that also lets you pick a free US phone number for life.
And folks, there's always Sipdroid and a SIP number service (there's quite a few besides Gizmo)
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Any way to do this without Skype? Can't pay for everything :/ Will GV just work?
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No problems here. I am using the hacked Skype app that allows 3g calling. Working great for me so far.
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No problems here. I am using the hacked Skype app that allows 3g calling. Working great for me so far.
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And where do you find that pls?
xexes said:
And where do you find that pls?
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I also updated the 1st post with the link... Here you go though...
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=156KWZVH
Two numbers?
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Cons:
--You will have 2 numbers. The one that came on your Tab that is used for SMS/MMS and a number for phone usage. No worries for me though as I give out the Google Voice number as my home number anyway...
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Awesome post! I will probably do this tomorrow. $60 a year is a small price to pay to finally make my Tab a phone.
I currently only have the Google Voice app installed (no hacked Skype). When I go into my contacts (app which came with Tab) and I click on a contact, and then click the message icon, a little screen pops up asking if I want to complete the action using Messaging or Google Voice. Furthermore, you can check the "Use by default for this action" to always use Google Voice for texting. When I click Google Voice the text shows up to other people as my Google Voice number.
If the trick in this thread can use your Google Voice number as what shows up to other people as your caller ID, wouldn't this simplify you down again to one number (the Google Voice number)?
the problem with this is skype doesnt work with Bluetooth headset. so you either have to get a WIRED headset or use speaker phone which means no privacy
SteveIndianer said:
Awesome post! I will probably do this tomorrow. $60 a year is a small price to pay to finally make my Tab a phone.
I currently only have the Google Voice app installed (no hacked Skype). When I go into my contacts (app which came with Tab) and I click on a contact, and then click the message icon, a little screen pops up asking if I want to complete the action using Messaging or Google Voice. Furthermore, you can check the "Use by default for this action" to always use Google Voice for texting. When I click Google Voice the text shows up to other people as my Google Voice number.
If the trick in this thread can use your Google Voice number as what shows up to other people as your caller ID, wouldn't this simplify you down again to one number (the Google Voice number)?
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It would, but GV still does not do MMS..... Plus you would loose the snazzy Tab SMS/MMS messaging app...
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It would, but GV still does not do MMS..... Plus you would loose the snazzy Tab SMS/MMS messaging app...
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Yeah, and I love that app....
About 5 minutes after I turned my Tab on I got a text asking if I wanted to buy some chronic/Mex from someone who obviously didn't know their contact's phone no. had changed!
But the app is great!
Not bad, not bad at all. Very good post.
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It would, but GV still does not do MMS..... Plus you would loose the snazzy Tab SMS/MMS messaging app...
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Good point, decisions decisions! For me I may be willing to sacrifice MMS for the simplicity of one phone number. I would justify it by using video calling, YouTube posting, and Facebook/Picasa pictures. I'm already giving up the native Email app because it puts weird labels on my Gmail emails instead of archiving emails like the Gmail app. So much for "native tablet optimized apps."
Cons for this route:
No 911 support
Two phone numbers or no MMS
Complicated calling procedure through Skype
Pros:
Delicious Galaxy Tab
so is everyone just got to use there tab with speaker phone ? because unless u use a wired headset that what u get since the TAB only has a speaker on the bottom.
if I could only get a Bluetooth headset to work with skype
I have a rooted Droid X and have really enjoyed finding ways to tinker with my phone to get additional benefits from my device. Previously, I have been getting completly free VOIP calls by running the hacked version of Skype that allows for functionality over both 3G and Wifi. I paid $30 (so not completely free) to Skype for an annual unlimited calling plan to all of North America. The quality is pretty good over 3G and even better over wifi. However, when I call people, my number shows up as unknown. I could pay Skype for an actual #
($60) to remedy this so that people could call me back, but I've held off for now. If someone wants to talk, it is easy for them to text me and I can call them back since I don't always leave my phone on 24/7.
Recently, I decided to play around with SIP technology as a way to have an alternative to Skype and to have a reason to tinker. I already had a Google Voice # and set up a free account at sipgate.com Then I set up my Google Voice # to forward all calls only to my sipgate #.
I also downloaded Google Voice Free Forwarding app from the marketplace and configured that so that whenever I make an outbound call via the standard dialer or through my CSIPSIMPLE widget, the call will pause, google voice free callback will intercept the call and allow me to talk to my desired # completely free with no minutes used. The drawback is that it can take 15-20 seconds for the call to go through and the call quality doesn't seem to be as good as when using Skype---both on 3g and wifi. But, to be fair, it is completely 100% free calling and cheaper than Skype.
Recently, I had the opportunity to acquire a Gizmo5 account and a Sip Sorcery account and am curious to know how I can use these to enhance my sip experience on my android phone.
I know there is a plethora of info on both of these services, so I don't expect anyone to hold my hand or reinvent the wheel. However, I just want to know what some of the possibilities may be.
Since I already have Skype and already have a sip service setup through Google voice, sipgate, and Google Voice Callback, will Gizmo or Sip Sorcery allow me to have a better experience in terms of quality, ease of use, or quickness when it comes to connecting the call.
It looks like Gizmo my have some integration through Google Voice that other #s don't offer but does it really offer any major advantages?
Personally I only use SIP when connecting to my asterisk server on my VPS to make my calls untraceable and to spoof my callerid for free. Also, I don't really like the SIP services out there.... and I especially don't like Skype's VoIP service. If you are looking for a good SIP app however.... get SIPdroid. (I believe that's what I use)
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