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Attempt to fix my phone

First, my problem started with either updating to the new JFv1.43 recovery, or flashing the new SPL from Haykuro.
Symptoms:
1. Everytime I flash a new ROM, wipe or no wipe, I come back stuck at the T-Mobile G1 boot screen. The only way I've found to get through is to take out battery and boot into ADB (the Camera + Power screen) and "fastboot flash boot boot.img". This almost always work.
2. Nandroid stopped working. Nandroid always errors during the process of backing up, and I'd only have splash1.img and splash2.img in the nandroid folder of my SD card. Kind of want to try reflashing the JFv1.43, or even go back to 1.42 (can't find) for troubleshooting. Also not sure if this would affect the new SPL and cause a brick.
3. "Insufficient storage available" with Dude's and Cyanogen's builds. I'm not sure if this one is related to recovery or SPL. This might be caused by past attempts at doing apps2sd (I've done both symlink and unionfs).
Anyways, losing Nandroid has lost me a lot of time with trying out new ROM's, I'd really like to get it fixed. The boot stuck is a nuisance, but much less troublesome than losing Nandroid.

Its the SPL.

lbcoder said:
Its the SPL.
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So then I'm stuck in this situation? Since the SPL can't be downgraded.

cigar3tte said:
So then I'm stuck in this situation? Since the SPL can't be downgraded.
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I'm not positive (***so dont do this without researching***) but i think it would be possible to flash to a different one ( i mean, you flashed another SPL over the original one, right? ).
There is a "mega-thread" that has information on all the SPL's and their features/updates. If the info is anywhere, it's prob in there. Search in the Dev forum.

tr.slate said:
I'm not positive (***so dont do this without researching***) but i think it would be possible to flash to a different one ( i mean, you flashed another SPL over the original one, right? ).
There is a "mega-thread" that has information on all the SPL's and their features/updates. If the info is anywhere, it's prob in there. Search in the Dev forum.
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As far as I can remember, that is where I read that you can't flash the older SPL over the new one.

cigar3tte said:
as far as i can remember, that is where i read that you can't flash the older spl over the new one.
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damn the man!

cigar3tte said:
As far as I can remember, that is where I read that you can't flash the older SPL over the new one.
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I could be wrong, but the key is not flashing an older RADIO with the newer spl.
You should still be able to go back to hardspl with no issues.

cigar3tte said:
As far as I can remember, that is where I read that you can't flash the older SPL over the new one.
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I have flashed from the New H SPL to the HardSPL i originally had on the phone when I found out people were having trouble with the SPL. I install the NEW SPL again to run Hero, but you CAN flash it back to the older SPL I would recomend HARDSPL though.
*not responsible if this doesn't work but I was able to do this without any trouble. Was just a bit nerve racking.

i am 99% sure the above post is correct, don't flash a different radio, but you can flash another SPL right over the Haykuro SPL. i would double check that as there is a 1% chance it will totally screw your phone and i don't wanna be the guy that told you to do something that bricked your phone, but it should work. just to be safe you should make sure splash1 is the t-mo g1 screen so if it stops you can call t-mo

i flashed from the latest haykuro spl 1.33.2005 , to the original t-mobile spl HBOOT-0.95.0000. I fastbooted and it was showing the original spl installed.

crashed my hd2

my hd2 stops booting after i tried flashing a new rom and it now shows a caution sign.can any one help?

I don't know enough to help you but it will be more helpful for other experienced users if you perhaps explained what you did before this happened such as anything you installed or removed that might have lead to this problem

i was trying to flash a new rom

you may have bricked your device, this could have been because of a corrupt rom or maybe you messed up the flashing procedure. What SPL did you use? If you used SoftSPL then it looksike you may have an expensive paperweight now (I may be wrong but I dont think theres anh way of recovering your device because the custom spl is only there temporarily. If you used hardspl then you are ok because you can just flash a stock rom.
Otherz correct me if im wrong

how do i flash a stock rom now that its not booting up

how did u flash it in the first place? hard spl? or soft?
if you used hard, then you should be able to flash another rom over it..using hard.
but if ou used soft, i dont know, but u might be able to use goldcard for recovery? worth shot

did You use hspl or sspl?
Im not too sure on the specifics but I will try to help you out as best I can or find someone better
(bear in mind i might not answer till the morning as i will go to bed soon, its 1.45 here @[email protected]

i used hspl.but i had gold card on my sd card.but when i was flashing it, it booted from the phone with options to cancel or continue

Talk to mskip, Im sure he can help you out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=894259

SPL Confusion

I'm a little confused on some of the specifics of SPLs.
When I rooted my MT3G I used the one-click method and didn't have to worry about doing anything with the SPL.
I'd like to try some of the other ROMs out there - but I see that they either require an Engineering SPL or the Death/Danger SPL. I know that the SPL changes the partitions on the internal memory of the phone - but I can't seem to find any info on what those new sizes are.
I've been told that the D/D is an Engineering one - but that I don't need it? So I'm a little on the confused side now.
Can someone help me get some clarity?

Your spl is not a Eng one it's a Perfected spl.
Try using the goldcard method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548218

silvertag said:
Your spl is not a Eng one it's a Perfected spl.
Try using the goldcard method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548218
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1.33.0006 is a perfected SPL but as they stated, they're already rooted. Luckily with that SPL you can still use the one-click method. Ignore this post about using the goldcard method.
Eng and Death/Danger SPLs increase your internal ROM, allowing you to flash larger custom ROMs onto your phone. However, you have a MT3G which has much more internal ROM space than the G1, so you DONT need to flash an Eng or Death/Danger SPL. Doing so will only increase you chances of bricking your phone. One bad flash and your screwed. So, if you already have a custom recovery installed, find a custom rom that looks good to you, boot into recovery, perform a full wipe, and flash the rom. However, make sure you pay attention to rom specific installation instructions before you flash it. Some will require that you flash the DRC83_defanged_base.zip before flashing for legal issues, and others, mainly eclair roms, will require you to partition your SD card. Good luck! Also, I recommend using Super D, its a great rom!

Thanks sombionix!
Yeah, I used the one-click method about a week after I got the phone and have been rocking the current CM and A-Ra recovery ever since... this was late 2009.
So...
If something says it needs an Eng/D/D SPL I can ignore that and try flashing anyways? The perfected SPL that you and I have is pretty much an all-purpose SPL (for lack of a better term)? The worst that will happen is that it won't work and I can just restore a BART save of my current working CM?
Damn us geeks for being so fickle.

tsheeley said:
Thanks sombionix!
If something says it needs an Eng/D/D SPL I can ignore that and try flashing anyways?
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Pretty much. Most of the ROMs I use are for the G1, which has a smaller partition than the default MT3G. The SPL is what changes this, so if the G1 requires a different SPL, chances are it'll still work fine on the MT3G.

Awesome!
Thanks somb & cougar for the help! I'll be doing some happy flashing sometime in the near future.

The G1's original SPL, and the Engineering SPL and Hard SPL, had less onboard space to store ROMs. The Magic has more onboard space, so Haykuro took the Magic's SPL and backported it to the G1.
This was called the Danger SPL or Death SPL as you needed to be running the latest radio for it to work. Many people did not work this out till later and bricked their G1s. Now we know this, so flashing Danger SPL is not really dangerous at all.
Every Magic already has as much space as a G1 with Danger SPL, so Magic users can use any ROM marked "Danger SPL" without concern.

remove ENG spl

is there a safe way to remove it because after i installed roms are slower and i get more force closes!i want to remove the spl so i can get functionality back and speed

Just flash another spl that is compatible with your rom over it.

what SPL are you using, strange. I've never heard of this problem before

What is your radio that you flashed with? You have a 32B Magic?
I'm pretty sure that it isn't the new SPL. I would try wiping the sd card partitions, re-partition it, then flash the ROM.

thanks this worked!

spl makes me confused and insecure.

Hi I'm new here and I'm new at rooting my phone and such.
I've been reading a lot about rooting and creating goldcards and installing roms and I've Finally managed to actually root and install a rom on my phone.
now I started out from a situation were I had what I think was called a perfect spl I had the 1.33.0010 on my phone. now I have a 1.76.0008. personally I'm annoyed tried the android 2.2 and couldn't make it work then tried another one android 2.1 with UISense and it worked now I don't mind having UISense but I'd rather have 2.2 I read somewhere that changing the spl could make some roms work but haven't been able to change the spl at all. and I don't really like one of the ways I read cause it involved some thing were you erased the through fastboot.
However a friend of mine have the 1.33.0009 and we can't change that at all We have tried to may things to say by now and we have been able to put another rom on his phone.
Now my question is what advantages does it give to actually change the spl I understood it was something about which roms can be used or am I totally wrong here ?
And the second question How do I proceed if the reasons for changing the spl is overwhelming.
And preferable explained in a way that makes me comfortable with trying it. I don't like doing dangerous things if I have Any questions about how or were with it.
and please do ask if there is information I didn't give that is needed to answer my questions.
I've used some time today because I was annoyed I couldn't change my spl.
keep in mind I allready have a custom 2.1 rom with UISense in my phone.
and my information of my current spl is:
SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H
HBOOT-1.76.0008(SAPP10000)
CPLD-12
radio-6.35.08.29
and my current recovery is :
recovery-RA-hero-v1.6.2.img
so what I did was this:
Download update-hboot-1.76.2007-signed.zip, rename it to update.zip and copy to my sdcard.
Turn Off the phone.
- Restart the phone with press HOME+POWER go to recovery page.
- Choose Flash zip from sdcard option, choose “update.zip“, use trackball to select , press HOME to confirm
what am I doing wrong. =?
last I would like to apologizes if my question is a often asked question but as far as I've read now the answers often change or there are several answers on same issues and that makes me uncomfortable.

I am not sure if flashing an update.zip from recovery works for the SPL. I think the instructions are to flash from fastboot.
Have you tried flashing it in fastboot as per Cursor's post?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=605239
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594504

From what I can read there I must say I have not tried it Since I've been warned so many places that changing the spl through fastboot have a higher risk of giving me a brick phone.
And all the places I've been through so far claims that it is posible to do through the recovery mode and much safer. however for me it so far doesn't seem to work either because I'm doing something wrong.
another thing is I don't want to do risky things when I don't completely understand what is happening.
I know that the fastboot(also called bootloader) is the most risky thing to change.
I also understand why it's so risky. I've read through a lot of post. here and other places because I wanted to be sure before I started and it did went well with one exception I have now a 2.1 android on my phone with root access. but I'd like to change the spl in to a engineering spl since I've heard it enables me to try a wider variety of roms.
have I really misunderstood those post and blogs so much that it can't be done to change the spl without useing fastboot ?
my Great place of comfort was the wiki of this site but it have been down for some time. whenever I needed to know things I mostly went there to learn them.

The only possible way to change a SPL of a phone from stock to engineering is to flash it from a recovery in form of an update.zip . The name of the actual .zip does not matter.
Fastboot flashing is the most secure, if you heard otherwise your sources were wrong.
Also fastboot, bootloader, hboot and SPL are the same thing. (fastboot and bootloader being the interface visible on the phone)
Another false thing that you heard was that an engineering SPL will allow you to use a wider variety of ROMs. That is only true for the G1 and its Danger SPL. With your current SPL you can flash and use ANY new radio ROM.
P.S where you are standing now you cannot flash anything from fastboot - your S-ON SPL disables that option.

problem is if you flash an SPL via recovery, it will often try to boot back into recovery, which can be a problem since the new spl may be incompatible with your old recovery image, for instance some SPL images will flash a new radio, etc.
if you can manage a goldcard the best way to get out of a perfected SPL is detailed here
from there you will have an engineerings spl with which you can use fastboot and flash any other spl your heart desires.

Are you kidding me? An SPL will flash another radio?
You are right about one thing - it does involve risk to flash SPL from the recovery.

I see well thanks for clearing that up for me
so from what I understand I can use any rom with my current spl ?
which would mean I don't need to flash any other spl on to it correct ?
then I don't understand why the CM6 - FroyoRedux Mod v1.2 rom doesn't work on mine.
the S-ON thing means security on but what does that exactly mean.
Does it mean that I can't do anything in fastboot ?
Because I thought that it just made it impossible to downgrade the spl ?

okay I've been reading up on the wiki site now and I think I've answered my own questions.
just to be clear ! that I havn't missunderstood anything I'm gonna make a few statemens here please correct me if I'm wrong in any of them.
1. Spl is not needed to be changed to install any android system rom's once I've got a recovery ROM like for instance Amon_RA's recovery roms.
2 As I understand the recovery rom in my phone have to be capable of running on my specific spl
I tried magic specific recovery roms and ended up with a hero specific recovery rom because it was the only one that worked.
3. Now if I want any android system roms they have to be combatible with that recovery rom or am I still missunderstanding something here ?

Exactly which recovery image did you flash? The ROM's are specific to the SPL stuff (bootloader, radio, mainboard, etc.) not the recovery.

Radios
Ok, I understand also. But it still does not clear up if the MT3G 1.2 can use any other SPL/Radio combonation. Can this be done yet with this device?

Looking at your fastboot info, you don't have the MT3G 1.2, that's the one with the 3.5mm jack. You need to find a ROM specific to your radio. If you look through the ROM bible in the Devlopment Section, there's plenty of ROM's in there that are for the 32A board and 6.35 radio.

DonJuan692006 said:
Exactly which recovery image did you flash? The ROM's are specific to the SPL stuff (bootloader, radio, mainboard, etc.) not the recovery.
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well at the moment I'm using recovery-RA-hero-v1.6.2.img because it's the only one that seems stable with my current spl.
and it seems I have some troubles with flashing a eng spl but it seems that what I understand I should just find a rom that works on my phone instead of thinking it's the spl that is a problem. I have found 2 roms that works but one is slow and the other is unstable so I'm still searching.
But I want to say thanks to everyone who have helped making me understand this just a bit more.